I like the slap. Firstly, Chani is emotional because she thought she had just lost Paul. Secondly, she was forced by the Bene Gesserit voice to participate in a prophecy designed to control her people which makes her angry. Most importantly, she realizes that Paul waited to open his eyes after the poison transmutation was complete so that the prophecy could be fulfilled. When Paul says, “Thanks to you,” Chani realizes that Paul must have been awake to understand that Chani “saved” his life. Paul was most likely using bene gesserit control of his body to lower his vitals and fake his own death. This is Paul’s first active attempt to manipulate the Fremen and Chani recognizes that. The slap is to a certain extent a substitute for the death of Paul and Chani’s child in the book. It is meant to convey that Paul has changed because he is unfazed that he might loose Chani. Paul Atreides after he takes the water of life has clear vision of the future and embarks on the “Golden Path” to save humanity from extinction. Paul is NOT a hero because he is willing to go ahead with the Jihad and manipulate the fremen to save humanity in the long run. For me, the ends NEVER justify the means. People tend to dislike Chani because she is in opposition to Paul, the “hero” of Dune, after he takes the water of life. Dune is not the traditional hero’s journey that so many people want it to be. I would say that Paul is a traditional hero until he takes the water of life which is exactly when Chani turns against him in the movie. Paul and Leto II’s actions in service of the “Golden Path” deserve to be criticized. Villeneuve uses Chani as both a vessel to criticize Paul after the water of life and as a vessel to emphasize Frank Herbert’s warning about false messiahs and the power of prophecies to manipulate people. Sorry for the long winded rant. That’s just my interpretation of Dune and I would love to hear all of your thoughts as well. ❤
You’re right about all the fact. HOWEVER, to say it is a basic rule in morality that the ends never justify the means, is a massively misleading statement. It has been the topic of ethical debate since time began. Most famously, of Kantian ethics (where the ends never justify the means) versus the Utilitarian view (particularly Jeremy Bentham) where they believe that ethical decisions should be made so that there is “the greatest good, for the greatest number” meaning that even if the means of achieving something good are categorically immoral, it is alright if the outcome is the best if could possibly be. In summary, it’s a matter of opinion that you think Paul is not a hero, it’s not objective
yeah, i have a full Korean bbq going in the cinema, with a side dish of Pho with raw beef... I get weird looks but Im sure its cause they are jealous 🙃
These comments just feel like talking hate women, especially when they're valid in anger. This whole thing was a charade that she was literally forced to play out. All while thinking her love was dead...
@@stephengrant4841 yes however Paul is trained to do that now that he Has access to all his other memories and visions. I think he did it on purpose to fulfill the prophecy to convince everyone.
I'm really digging Chani's interpretation in this version of Dune. The actress really delivers on Villeneuve's Chani. I had feared she's be just another mary sue.
@@AnthonyScott_Little_Black_Duck The actress who played her was awful. She made Chani unbearable to watch and that's awful because we're not supposed to feel that way about her.
@@wiinterflowers4277 i disagree respectfully. She had every right to get the way she did after Paul said what he said then goes off and hooks up with Irulan.
@@AnthonyScott_Little_Black_Duck You do realize that was in the book except they cut out the line he said to Chani in the book. So she was little too overdramatic and didn't get the message. Irulan doesn't get any touches or glances you realize that right?
It's not the tears, it's the water of life that woke Paul up. Chani's tears are merely a theatric performance by Jessica to make Paul's "revival" fit with the prophecy.
In my head canon, the tears mixed with the water of life made Paul come back and take her destiny or path because his battle in part two mirrors his vision of the battle in part one, but he see Chani's doing the same moves he does...
Poison transmutation. All adept bene gesserit have to learn it. They can break down anything from poisons, toxins and harmful microbes at higher levels.
@@derek96720 Yeah, but don't you forget he was a very thirsty boi for Chani and her waters of life in the 1st part. So much so that he was having "dry" dreams.
I know Paul is Antihero Weirdly before watching Dune in theater I watched all Timmy movies So I don't know why I'm biased over Paul. Timothée Chalamet on the theater felt like larger than life I was in awe 😮😮😮❤❤❤
I don't understand these scene Does Paul pretend to be dead? So his Mother can force Chani to perform the ritual, fulfilling the prophecy If so, does Chain fall in love with Paul and vice versa not organic?
No, he's not dead but he isn't pretending. His vitals are so low that only Jessica could detect them, so as far as anyone else knew he was dead. He was just deep into visions, basically in a trance.
She slaps the Fremen messiah in the face and everyone is ok with that? I understand that Denis Villenueve wanted to give Chani more prominence, but no religious group would allow such an attitude
That was lover’s slap…I think Denis wanted to show how emotional chani loves Paul,even at the end scene she was mad after knowing Paul will take the princess as her bride
@@Filmart255 If this is the case, the director has relied too much on the suppression of disbelief. A group of religious fundamentalists would never allow anyone to attack their messiah and get away with it.
i didn’t see any weakness there,she was strong to ask everyone what happened and even yelled at stilgar and paul’s mother,she was just emotional because of Love i think
@@Filmart255 Never said she was weak here, but they act like she was not a strong character in the other versions so they made her angry all the time in this version. Chani totally supported Paul but they have changed her character just to make her seem more what? More human? The change makes no sense.
@@GamerKatz_1971 I think it''s a choice in adaptation. They wanted to show someone resisting Paul's transformation into a dark messiah, besides paul himself. Of the main characters in the movie, who makes the most sense to fill that role? Stilgar is filling the role as the fanatic, Jessica is the manipulator, I guess you could argue Gurney could have been a voice of reason. It hits the hardest if the person most devastated by Paul's ascension as the Lisan Al-Gaib to be the one who loves him as himself. Which It makes it more tragic. The movie is also on a much faster timeline then the books. Paul and Chani don't have their first kid, they technically haven't been together that long. If we put book Chani next to movie Chani, does her role in future movies or her ultimate role in the story change? I don't think it does. It gives Chani more to do as a character, and more to do for zendaya as an actress. You don't have to agree with decision, but I think in the context of this movie as an adaptation I think it makes sense.
@@GamerKatz_1971 Since you don't have access to paul's internal monologue in the film they altered her character to be more in line with book paul's monologue
I really couldn't stand Zendaya in this film, she just cant act....she is either staring intently or scolding in ever scene. That is the limit of her facial expressions... An i really like her, just not for this role.
Dear, talk to the director about that😄.You clearly don't how this works,do you think she is the one who directs the movie.why you hating the actor for?you couldn't even distinguish between the story and reality. Edit:haha ,sorry I don't know what came over me after reading many of the comments .After calming down,I was just speechless,I'm truly sorry 😞.but what you said about her not being able to act is not true.its just different, that's how the director wanted it.
@@JAELHANNAHmysteryruby I agree with the OP, but it's not Zendaya's fault, she was cast and directed, and these scenes were chosen for the final cut. The fault isn't with her, but with the director. I just felt like she was just... ok.
@@JAELHANNAHmysteryruby its the acting, her role in spiderman was horrendous...she just lacks the experience is all. Most of the great youngest actors started much much earlier in their lives and by the time they get to her age they have a wealth of experience and knowledge behind them.The reason she was cast is because she is the falvour of the month on hollywood and thats it.
@@Filmart255 I doubt Jessica actually knew, she doesn't in the book. It goes more or less the same in the book, Chani just gets lucky with her attempt being right
It's a made up prophecy lol he wasn't really dead he was just stuck in the "dreams". he can transmutate poison by himself with bene gesserit training. its a staged play to fulfill the made up prophecy for the Fremen to believe he is the one
Chani se da cuenta que el estaba fingiendo su muerte hasta que ella llegara para hacer "cumplir" la profesía. Ella se da cuenta que ellos la manipularon y por eso le da la cachetada a Paul. En el libro no existe esa parte, pero ella le "ayuda" a despertar.
She can't. Although this is scene was the one bit of credit I could give her because it was satisfying to see someone call Jessica out on her bullshit!
@@brokenman58I don't think so tho. I think she was pissed off because of how emotional she was over paul being in such a condition. Because he took such a dangerous step while keeping her in the dark.I don't think it was because of the prophecy or anything at least in this scene.
@@MooseBear-ob2wh No woke is making her character different from the books for some kind of woman's empowerment stunt. Which might be fine here because there is still a 3rd movie and they might rectify it. Chani returns to Paul and has his children. There is enough going on in Dune: Messiah than having a stupid b-plot line with Chani fighting Paul's uprising.
