Paul Davies - Gap Between Non-Life and Life 

Hugh Ross has spoken about the gloomy atmosphere at origin of life conventions because the more understanding we gain about the complexity of life, the more remote it makes the possibility of abiogenesis.

Do you really believe we don't know the true origin of life? I mean we're dealing with some of the brightest minds here.

@@sven888 huh? If you know something we don’t you could always share😂

Fascinating topic for sure. Well said, Rand….

@@jamespenny9482 The possibility is 1 given we're here.....

The larger the gap the more space for the god of the gaps.

@@karlschmied6218 I love how atheist always fall to mention god out of no reason.

@@ALainSckom If the many theists - as is currently the case in the USA - did not want to establish a theocracy with the motto: one nation under God (their God) or if they did not want to turn back the wheel of time before the Enlightenment, I would only use this word very rarely.

Frankenstein's monster.

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god had nothing to do with it

@@1man1bike1road Prove it.

@@deistormmods what you want me to prouve to you. Did you have a probleme with me. Juste Tell me that is it.

@@godthecreatoryhvh681 I was speaking to Stephen.

He has no clue.

​@@Chineseguy001 Like everyone else, but he at least recognizes it and tries to follow the path that he thinks will start to give some clues, rather than following the mainstream thinking that has been stagnated for decades.

@@MeRetroGamer Actually there's far more going on in the field of abiogenesis these days than he's admitted to. I doubt it's ignorance on his part and more to do with ego and/or self deception. RNA can function as both working mechanism and self replicating storage at a very basic level. Lipids form vesicles as a natural consequence of mechanical properties (much like soap bubbles) which can act as a semi-permeable containing membrane. this stuff -practically- literally makes itself. 😉 There's been some very interesting research recently (I forget the exact source) about the level of complexity necessary to maintain a sustainable memetic library of RNA molecules in a competitive co-evolving medium - leading to a discovery of sorts; vindicating apparently non-symbiotic parasitism as a foundationally necessary regulatory mechanism. There's a lot of exciting stuff going on right now and he's not mentioned any of it.

@@TheYahmez He is talking about the mechanism and the information - software not hardware. "far more going on in the field of abiogenesis" ? Don't be fooled by the exaggeration and media play of scientists.

@@edenrosest the {software | hardware} dichotomy is a flawed prescriptive prior rather than a sound descriptive reception. I'll attempt an analogy with physics: like saying "I don't care about waves in a field - our concern should be; where do _particles_ come from?" Like trying to clap with one hand.. The closer model requires understanding of wave-particle (non)duality or collapse of the wave function. Using Newtonian mechanics alone to understand quantum effects is nonsense. He's begun with a flawed query which is alone fairly unscientific. The current investigations aren't hopped up nonsense but very promising physical experimentation followed by tentative best fit analysis, modelling and prediction rather than the other way around.

Mike Bin: rather than insight, what i heard was how adamant he was about "because he didn't know" then "nobody knows" when the truth may be that some know but just didn't share it with him. Im not meaning to discount your opinion just expressing mine.

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@@TEE19622 you didn't state an opinion. obviously you don't know either

@@TEE19622 I think there is a sense in which 'know' is not a scientific word. Scientists think, formulate hypotheses, investigate, experiment, come up with theories, etc. With that in mind... Atoms interact according to their nature and circumstance. There is a logic to these interactions. That logic permits the formation of molecules. Molecules also interact according to their nature and circumstance. There is a whole lot more logic governing molecular interaction. If a prerequisite for intelligence is logic then obviously that prerequisite is satisfied by atoms and molecules. Skipping ahead... If it should ever come about that a molecule is formed in accordance with the logic and this molecule interacts with its molecular environment causing a negative copy to accumulate and break off and that copy interacts with its molecular environment causing a negative copy to accumulate and break off, then replication has begun and so has evolution. I find it very, very easy to imagine that happening given the content of the primordial soup and the circumstances simmering it.

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@@tc25d The book does a much better job than I could

I bought this book a while back and got maybe halfway through, I remember it being very good, but really slow going due to the technicality, which was very hard to parse.

Nope! The Big Bang is well established and since it's the beginning, it requires a Beginner.

"scientific dogma" is an oxymoron. I'd say there is a risk that people see science as built on dogmas.

@@karlschmied6218 To be honest that seems like it is what's taken place at the moment we have big gaps in our understanding at present but by the way some scientists talk it's like we know it all already.

There are always "some scientists". I think Basiten Millecam says it right. So my comment is actually redundant.

What does that matter to the overall quest?

True. How far down can you go? Eventually strays into philosophy and theology.

Oh yes, we will certainly come to the end/wall, as has always been said, BUT by damm we go on don't we and keep questioning and discovering and will look back on those such as you who bet agnist the human imagination.

And behind this wall of ignorance many people see their personal gap filler, their God of the gaps. Because they are afraid or stressed by their knowledge of ignorance.

I agree.

Yep. Did a nine part series on it.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xIHMnD2FDeY.html Tour is here supported by 2 Nobel laureates in biology and Craig Venter, co-chair of the human genome mapping and recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. It's more than worth noting that the lion of "Scientific Atheism", biologist Richard Dawkins, sits mute/deaf/sub-moronic when the above three ALL say: "it is IMPOSSIBLE that humans will EVER know life's origin". THAT IS the sine qua non and distinguishing claim of "Scientific Atheism", without which they're left their opinions ONLY.

Yes, James Tour clears up and exposes a lot of the misinformation and flat out delusion among the "scientific" community. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-r4sP1E1Jd_Y.html

He has a lot to say except to other scientists. James knows how the game of science is played as he's done it literally hundreds of times. Yet when it comes to OOL he screams from the stands how awesome he is at the game and how terrible the actual players are. He made a lame excuse the other night in the debate that it was very difficult and then undercut himself by naming several others who managed it. It's much easier to fool the rubes than to do the work and show that scientists are in fact clueless and everyone but him is a fraud.

True

god of the gaps

@@chrisbarnett5303 So non intelligence giving rise to intelligence is a better explanation? I didn't even mention God. Keep your illogical statements outta here.

@@deistormmods just comes to show the atheists have a religion and agenda of their own.

I agree. Someone like Michio Kaku is annoyingly rehearsed when he talks. There are lots of them in the astronomy/astrophysics realm.

No, P. Davies is using the god of the gaps.

It's stuck in it's infancy because it has no future. I would say that nothing has changed since Miller-Urey in 1952, but actually the situation gets worse from year to year for abiogenesis as scientists discover that they are getting further and further away from understanding how life could have possibly originated on it's own. The more we learn, the greater the complexity we discover. Articles and illustrations in scientific journals and magazines depicting possible scenarios for abiogenesis are false, misleading, and strictly wishful thinking and speculation.

Drake is interesting, but if this very unclear factor is added to the mix (of the odds of the creation of life from non life), it can take down the whole equation. {A gazillion stars/planets} x {various other stuff} x {unknown process of creating life} = ??? It's like adding a null factor to an equation, making the outcome unknown

If the existence of highly complex life on Earth is the equivalent of the implausible junkyard Boeing 747, the existence of a highly complex god is the "ultimate Boeing 747" that truly does require the seemingly impossible to explain its existence.

@@JamesCormier actually, we're talking about two categorically different things, the naturalistic mechanisms and a being. Logically the implications of one are not the same as the implications of the other. If I say on a much simpler level that shaking the box of Lego will never produce the object pictured on the outside but will rather only wear out the box or the Lego before anything is possibly created. Then to say that it requires a being with intelligence to assemble it, is reasonable. We know what it takes to assemble Lego, then why not look for the same categorical type of thing? I understand the difficulty of proposing a being like God , but I don't think it makes him an illogical option. but I think you are right, explaining how God has existed for forever is unanswerable to us. And what would be the difference definitionally between God and whatever the supercapable materialistic power be? We can't propose the idea of an all powerful God but we can propose the idea of a materialistic mechanism that has brought forth the information, energy, material and proper composition of life? Still sounds like an all powerful god.

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Haha! Awesome And true!

If you meant birth. It is first non life then life when fertilization has happened.

Wow you know too....😂

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Even stone is made out of very organized matter, information and energy working together Everything in life is like that and that's what makes it fascinating! You can always keep wondering how it works!

Well them please show us where you have hidden all the keys. Otherwise STFU.

Yes fundamental question.

The guy on the left is totally misinformed while Davies at least appreciates the enormous chasm between what is not life and life, so I'd say it's like a child wanting his way speaking with an adult.

Behe is ONLY about God. Read here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin%27s_Black_Box

It was with Behe. Davis is much more circumspect.

me too !! i would add also Hameroff. Kastrup and one between Koch and Tononi !!

no it isn't

one of the most likable scientist around

Paul Davis are lost in his owns minds when he shows archaic and pedantic anwers. IoI

I've never seen a leading scientist in that field talking like your straw men.

Agreed, even if you have 100% of what it takes to create a living creature as in one that has just recently died, after a short period of time it is impossible to bring that creature back to life.

Single-cell organisms ‘seem’ to have consciousness and awareness. Hameroff talks about sucking up a paramecium in a syringe and it learns to escape faster and faster. So not only does it have situational awareness and learning power, it also has a desire to leave the syringe. No neural network required.

@@tbardoni5065 Exactly! Wild! But some would say we're just beginning to understand intelligence/sentience. So we've got some "off-site" things like computers going for some comparison with our own intelligence. Well, Nature seems to be able to take many matter configs and make intelligence/sentience out of them. And of course aboriginal peoples have believed forever that all things, living and otherwise, have a "spirit" behind them. Gaia stuff, too.

Right, and the very idea of a "mechanism" from a random collection of molecules is in itself contradictory. It's shocking to me that this guy on the left thinks it's not that big of a deal to go from not life to life. That's Joe Biden level delusional. He says to Davies that his skepticism about the ease of transition from non-life to life is not a common one, a lot of scientists blah blah blah. He is completely misinformed. I suppose he also thinks it's not that big of a deal for the universe to come into existence from nothing (no space, time, matter, or energy). The God "hypothesis" solves these and many other fundamental questions, but not a lot of people WANT to hear that.

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To me every living thing ( humans included ) is an intelligent information system of multiple degrees of complexity, the most complex I.I.S. of all is the Cosmos itself

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Well, math is math. What we have is physics, which, while it seems so complex these days, is the basis of everything else. It’s similar to computer programming. The lowest keel kanguage is machine language, where you program each bit in. Each level above that requires the same basic math and the same bits. But as you go up, you can make more comp,ex combinations of these bits by programming in first 8 bit bytes, each of which has a much more comp,ex meaning because the different combinations of the 8 bits in a byte allow many different bytes. Then you can have two 8 bit bytes to firm a “word”, and the 16 bit combinations are far more comp,ex than that 8 bit byte. Then we have the double word with 32 bits. I think you get where I’m going with this. Whereas combining two bits gives you very little in comp,exits, combining two 32 bit double words are orders of magnitude more complex. As a result the programs written with them can be much easier to write than attempting it in machine language. It’s the same thing with physics, chemistry and biology. You can think of physics as that first level machine language, with chemistry a level up, and biology a level up from that. All use the same math as their base, but biology has vastly more combinations available. There are a limited number of particles at level one, but an almost infinite number of chemicals formed from them. Biology is almost infinitely more complex than chemistry. But if you break down the most complex chemicals and biological equivalent, such as proteins, you’ll find that you’re back to the very same particles you have in physics, behaving in the same way. I hope this helps.

Non Life indicaded to matter from conscieness are abusurd concept. First how step for no Life tô occur in matter ? Secound how conscieness describes it each step process fowards ?

At least this time the yada yada was not full of BS about how it must be easy because it happened so quickly on earth.

If you want questions that have answers consult an encyclopedia.

And yet, no lab has ever created life from scratch.

@@chrism.1131 Intelligent life not at all.

@@chrism.1131 Neither has any god...and it's had far longer.

No one knows but it has happened. Because I wrote this hehe...

yes