Shelley. Surely if god is eternal and all-knowing, then besides starting these wheels in motion, God himself created the circumstances in which Jack and Jill were kept in a cage by their relatives. You have to agree that god knew a million years ago about the child abuse, harm, cancer, and murder of this story. And god approved of it and let it happen. Your idea of a god is worse that the Rosenthal's relatives who kept children in a cage. Your god designed a system where almost every single human that ever lived loses their mother. You think that he is the author of morality. The invisible man who watches you pee.
Abandoned in his pushchair. Turned out to be the best thing that happened to him. He got a mother who loved him - he seems like a together guy. She is his mum - but I hope he finds his twin.
Yes, I so admire his perseverance and that he was able to put bio Paul in touch with his mom before his passing (tragic also). Clearly bio Paul's mom who raised him, was involved in the kidnapping. I wonder if she is still alive. I just hope Jill is out there somewhere waiting to be found by her loving brother.
The fact his family (biological) refuse to give him any info or even speak to him is utterly disgusting and honestly makes me think the worst. They know something, and are hiding it. I have family who have done evil things, and my other family members will 100% know, yet turn a blind eye. I care enough for the people around me to rat those awful people out, even if they are family. Better if they are, so they can get help.
Well, apparently they knew he was being abused and if they let it happen and did nothing not surprised they want no contact. They’d have a lot of questions to answer
This is tragic for the guy who died of cancer. He found closure, but he never had a real chance to get to know his own biological parents before dying.
I’m so glad that Mr. Batey got to talk to his biological mother before died. Poor Mrs. Fronzac and her deceased husband had already had a stillborn then had their baby stolen. I just hope the Bately family can offer some clue’s to the puzzle. And I hope Jack finds closure.
@@FaithandNova It certainly does seem like it was the Batey mom. She must be deceased or the law could go straight to her. She must of had a really serious problem since kidnapping was a Capitol offense. Shame on anyone that knows anything and doesn’t come forward. But I do understand Mr. Batey was too ill to deal with it.
I sure hope we will get the whole story one day. But it’s doubtful. Why in the world would anyone want to protect this woman ( even though she is deceased) who caused such grief for her own gain. Maybe a lot of the people are dead that could remember when Mrs. Batey turned up with this baby boy. Someone along the way had to be suspicious! We will see, huh! Would make a great movie!
But in the other hand because they believed that they found their missing child they stopped looking for him and their real son was raised by the kidnappers and wasn’t really successful if you see the house he lived. As a mom both cases are heartbroken.
he turned out to be OK and I hope he can find his sister, he was very lucky to end up in a loving family, I hope the real Pauls' life wasn't too difficult.
At least the biological Paul was able to talk to his biological mother before he passed away. This story is sad. Nobody has the right to messed up a babies' lives. These things only happens on TV series and should remain that way.
The woman who raised Kevin Baty was the kidnapper. Her name was Lorraine Fountain and she has passed away. She doesn’t get to pay for her crime! I hope Paul/Jack can find his sister Jill. His story is fascinating but equally horrific to me. I admire him a lot for his determination to get justice for his sister Jill.
@@malindaallen718 Maybe he was well adjusted because of the man who raised him or it was just his inner goodness. His non-biological mother had a sketchy life and her other children suffered because of her. To never to disclose to him that he was not her biological child is evil. Twice the evil because she kidnapped him. It is in the hands of the FBI now.
Oh my heart goes out to this man. Imagine going through all this and then having his siblings refuse any contact. What is wrong with people? I hope you find Jill.
Another commenter said it might be bc they were also heavily abused and do not want to open up to the traumatic memories. It is sad for him but is also their right to do so if this is the reason. My brother and I were seperated after we got out of our abusive home and we also do not have contact. We saw each other one time but it is simply too hard. And in addition: we never had the chance to establish a bond. You do not have an automatic bond with your biological sibling. Maybe twins do but surly not "normal" siblings at least from my experience. We are strangers to one another exactly like Paul/Jack and his siblings. I do hope that he finds Jill or at least finds out what has happened to her. Have a nice day! 💖
They were likely abused and neglected too and since they were not adopted, they grew up to have distinctional lives themselves. Not to mention they probably know very little or nothing, considering he was only 2 when he was abandoned.
Mez, sometimes a painful situation turns out better than the original situation. Some people have zero business having kids. I was SO happy when my "mother" had a hysterectomy in her 40s. My first thought was, Oh thank goodness, she can't hurt any more kids.
@@merylsilverburgh8081 normal siblings indeed have bonds.. but like you said you were abused and your take on sibling bonding backs that fact up perfectly. You’ll never heal properly because you’d rather run away from the trauma, you can bury it but it will not be a healing experience when burying /anything/ just a mere bandage over a old unclean wound. If it’s “working” for you, meaning as long as you remain strangers with your blood relative you function as a normal human being; so be it.
Wow, that is an interesting story. I may have to read his book. It was a good thing they were removed from the home and cage. Can't imagine why the family wouldn't want to help him.
There is a longer version of this where he explains more in detail the people he spoke to in the bio family and they all sound very dysfunctional and dodgy, so he is better off that he escaped them.
If you read the article at 1;17 it says his two older sisters were 2 and 1 when he and Jill were born, so they would have been 4 and 3 when he was abandoned, so I'm sure they knew nothing of it. While he went to a loving home, apparently they stayed in a dysfunctional situation.
It’s really unfortunate. I agree with Ursula that it was probably for the best. The family members of abused children wanting nothing to do with one of them. They are troubling & repugnant people and at least he has loving parents who cherished their child 💕
@@ursulamullikin4723 If you read the article at 1;17 it said his sisters Sharon and Karen were 2 and 1 when he & Jill were born, so when he left at 2 they were 4 and 3, so I doubt they had any idea what happened and thus, they don't want to get deeper into what was a bad childhood, while he had a loving one, where he grew up.
Like it was last week, I recall the Fronczak Baby Case since I was a child living in the Chicago suburbs at the time. The reports were that a uniformed nurse was the prime suspect. Artist's sketches were circulated and some of us were, for a while, scared of starched white clad nurses. I know it sounds ridiculous now, but we were very young & impressionable. As a mother, I can only imagine the agony the Fronczaks endured. The silver lining: after this, major security changes were made in hospitals to protect newborns.
@@heidih3048 Totally could be.. I feel even though alot of traumatized people still tell their stories, but we may truly never know. Telling your story can make you a stronger person. Sounds selfish in a way... A mystery we may never find out. Especially him. 😔
@@tiaryan1350 I was thinking of someone I know who was abused long term physically and mentally as a child. He is literally a recluse and refuses to see anyone, even those he knows care about him. He says severe social anxiety is preventing him from being able to see anyone or speak on the phone, and he only rarely communicates by text, mostly with one word answers, if anything at all. I was just imagining that the siblings in this story might be similar to him. Or they may not want a reminder of their childhood. Or they may be embroiled in drug/alcohol problems and not thinking straight.
@@brandy2378 I had to watch it back, I wasn't sure who you were talking about 🤣 I see the similarity. Definitely. I was born in 72 in Europe. I hope he finds her. Bless him ❤️
Amazing detective skills, Paul (Jack). This story is so interesting, but it also obviously has a lot of pain involved in it. He's been so successful in his search so far, I have a lot of faith that if anyone is able to solve all this, it's him. Hopefully others could join in an help him out? Anyone who has any skills that could help towards his search?
I would test. If I knew how to reach him. My parents always said I wasn't theirs. I even overheard relatives say that I was not theirs. I'm east coast. I was treated like I was not theirs. I don't even feel like I'm theirs. Spent my whole life being the outsider of my family. Very different than a black sheep. I was not the black sheep of the family. I was just the outsider. My parents died before I could get them to test. They both said they would. Then they change their mind.
@@StillYHWHs reach out to the news channel. Also, you can test it’s simple your parents don’t need to be alive for you to get a test done. You can test with your family to see if you’re related.
Obviously some of his relatives knew he and his sister were abused, neglected and kept in a cage and did nothing to help those two babies. They don't want the truth to come out.
@@ambermcqueen8623 Unfortunately that's probably true. Often times people won't want to reach out or allow people in if they are ashamed of themselves.
What a sad, complicated story. However, I'm glad that the truth is finally coming out, and I hope this man finds comfort and resolution in discovering the rest of his and his sister's stories. . . .
I'm from Michigan, not too far from Manton, but no connection, other than my mama had me in 1964. These things happened a lot back then. What a sad story. I remember when this man's story first broke. What a tragedy.
I really hope the real Paul had a good life. It seems doubtful since he was likely raised by a kidnapper and got cancer. People who have hard/ bad lives die younger of diseases. It's like your body says I'm sad, I've been here a long time in this sadness and I'm just ready to be done. 💔 I'm glad that Paul/Jack got a good family after all he'd been through and that his new parents got to hold a little child that they could love and could at least pretend to be reunited with their original beloved. I'm guessing Jill probably was killed, and honestly it probably wasn't even the parents that "abandoned" him. It was probably more like a rescue. The parents likely killed one twin and someone wanted to give the other one some small chance in hell. And it worked by some miracle. He doesn't even remember being locked in cages. How lucky is that? Parents who abuse and lock kids in cages rarely abandon them by what I've seen. No, they are power and control freaks who thrive on sadism. They'd rather kill them off than release their victims since they view them as subhuman property. It could have been an aunt or uncle or sibling, even a neighbor. He wasn't apparently reported missing, so maybe someone was supposed to "dispose" of him and didn't. Either way it was very, very lucky for Paul/Jack. It looks like he's done very well and fulfilled his potential without memory of abuse. You can't ask for more than that, whatever your circumstance or lineage.
Wow what an amazing story....and he seems so "together " as a person even though abused as a wee boy ! Wow it shows what love can do ! And besides all that is he terribly handsome to boot ! God be with him and bless all the rest of his days
That's my question. Who kidnapped the baby, 'baby Paul " from the hospital, and how did the lady who raised him end up with him? Was she the kidnapper? Lots of questions still
This story is so sad 😭 but also happy in a way. He was lucky to be brought up by loving parents. What is really sad is the other man who was the real Paul not ever have spent time with his real family. I admire this guys determination to find his sister and the truth. I think they could make this into a movie. It’s so dramatic. I just hope they can find some peace and happiness with all party involved.
What a bunch of jerks !! Why would they refuse to have contact with Jack . They did you favor man! These people are obviously screwed up in the head ! You look like and educated , sophisticated intelligent man. God blessed you with your adopted parents !
When children are bought up in chaos they don’t always make good siblings, I am sorry to say. I am one of 6 but prefer only one of my siblings, the others much like the parents....
"SEVERE childhood trauma". Waaaaaaay worse that any PTS you can imagine, I'm sure. Poor little guys, they never asked to be born. I'm sure their entire life has been a struggle. Compassion for these guys.....is more appropriate.
Why are they "jerks?" Life doesn't operate so neatly and regardless of the circumstances, they are strangers. They may simply want to allow sleeping dogs lie and move on with their lives.
This story was on the news so many years back from 2022. They said 2013. I'm glad there's an update here. I hope things get solved. I'm sorry his other relatives refused to talk with him.
I feel bad for Kevin but also in a way am happy for Paul that he became a part of a family with good parents and that he turned out to be a good person.
What’s weird is he may have dated his sister at some point and never knew it. With all the twists and turns in his story, anything like that is possible. Ppl have married their siblings and never knew it.
I know it’s real and a sad story but damn this is like a movie and it’s really good and has a lot of plot twists and cliff hangers it’s like a whodunnit mixed with a drama
So jack was left on a sidewalk and giving to a different family. He was saved by a chain of events. The baby that was kidnapped talked to his real mom before he passed away.. and then jacks real parents both died.. Jack is still looking for Jill , to find out they were both in a cage his chilling.. Sad story and I hope all find peace. 🙏🙏🙏
This is so sad. But I'm so glad they found their bio son before he passed away. This whole saga is more convoluted than a Lifetime movie. Hope the dude finally solved the family mystery
It seems the universe cared for him enough to give him to the family that lost their son. I do not think I could turn my back on a child I raised as mine and loved. So I’m sure his “Fronzac” family love him as theirs. Love, light and blessings be with them all.
Basically, the Fronzack's baby named Paul was kidnapped from the hospital. Two years later, the police said they found him and so they raised the found baby as Paul. But the baby the police found was actually an abandoned child named Jack, who found out about his real identity when he grew up. The real Paul had been found but had died of cancer.
@@ellanica so who raised the real Paul? and didn't the fake guy parents knew that he was not their kid? Like he's very handsome and doesn't look anything like his dad? So the guy who died was the fake guy real parents?
@@sevenbeauty6502 From what I read in this case (and take it with a grain of salt), the real Paul, now known as Kevin Baty, was kidnapped by a woman who wanted a baby. That woman's family is not talking, because they don't want to admit that she did a crime. Imagine being raised by someone you thought as your mother only to realize years later that she kidnapped you. This all happened when DNA tests didn't exist yet, so the police had a hard time looking for the baby. Also, the parents probably assumed that fake Paul looks like some other relatives, etc. I mean, you don't have to look like your parents to be their biological child. And yes, they guy who died was the fake guy's real parents.
@@sevenbeauty6502 Paul was a newborn when he was kidnapped, and they found the abandoned child two years later. He had the same ears and blood type as Paul. For a family who was probably afraid their child was dead and was praying everyday he’d be found, they were probably only to happy to believe he had been. Jack was raised as Paul in a loving home, but said in a different interview that when he found the old newspaper clippings about him, he suspected he wasn’t really Paul, as he didn’t look like the rest of his family. He took a dna test and went from there.
How do we contact to see if we can do test. To see if woman is sister or not. Parents constantly said she was not thier child and then said was. Back and forth for years. She was raised in east coast. More details later. Not online please.
My understanding, from following this story, was that they were about to make a movie about his life, but then Covid hit so they had to delay filming for a while. I'm sure that once it's safe to do so, they will make this into a movie.
I hope he finds his sister, so sad about the "real" Paul but at least he got to connect to his mother. I hope that the other siblings will change their minds and want to get to know their brother. Its good he never had the memory of the abuse to haunt him growing up. The best things those people did was abandon him so he could know real love
It's called "SEVERE childhood trauma". Waaaaaaay worse that any PTS you can imagine, I'm sure. Poor little guys, they never asked to be born. I'm sure their entire life has been a struggle. Compassion for these guys.....is more appropriate.
What a nightmare… all these kids abused, neglected, and abandoned. What the heck. At least he ended up in a loving home, but his sister and the late man? Who knows.
