PAVEL BEING BLESSED BY RNG (BLIZZCON 2016 DOUBLE REVERSE SWEEP INSANE LUCK) 

fuck u

this is ru viewers like 70%+

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The one blizz wants

'IM SO TRIGGERD RIGHT NOW

KRIPPERINO

I remember it as well, I was a 15 year old kid. The only word that could describe this match is “madness”. I was going crazy when he drew the sheep from the book, unbelievable

This is exactly why everybody isn't legend. All you need to hit legend is a grossly overpowered deck (for which you have a plethera of options) and heres the key: time. With how little skill is involved nowdays you simply cannot sustain a very high winrate and as you might know most people are casual players, with no time and no motivation to grind 8 hours of shaman to hit legend.

***** Because not everyone wants to grind the current meta for 40+ games with a 65% winrate and full deck. That is simply the only answer. Look at the good players out in the world, how they reach legend. All the same.

Luck isn't 85% of hearthstone. It's 90% shaman 10% luck. and 100% reason to quit the game. Kappa

Because everyone's not playing 24/7 like you

luck and time. Besides, even if skill is involved, and a deciding factor in making legend, it is not the primary force behind performing well--the game is predominantly luck based, and has been for quite some time (though it wasn't always so over the top with the rng elements)

I mean he shouldn't have picked Forbidden Ancient in my Opinion to get better Early Control and not get punished as hard by Sap (One of the fucking best Tempo Cards) but Pavel hat excellent Line-up against Maly-Druid, plays pretty Minion Heavy Decks which could help him against Zoo and Tempo and got a bit lucky but he also got pretty unlucky before. The First Game was purely decided by Rag with the 33% so i don't know he just seemed well prepared for Maly-Druid which is really common like Shaman but he banned Shaman because they also play a lot of strong Minions so he would most likely lose with a lot of his Decks. Pretty good Games overall, sorry for your Loss in Packs ^^'

Pavel permabanned Shaman and made all his decks with the Druid matchup in mind. It was obvious after using the same strategy twice during the course of the same tournament.

Man like Rocket Hog. Thanks for the feedback, still working on it!

Rocket Hog That... escalated quickly

What a twist!

Rocket Hog do you always steal other peoples sayings/work?

lmao this is so obviously a copypasta, what do you want me to do, add references and site sources at the end?

son goku... ähhh... pavel... son pavel!

Pavel is Yugi confirmed

pavel confirmed anime protagonist

Amnesiac: Draw your last pathetic card so I can end this, Pavel! Pavel: My deck has no pathetic cards, Amnesiac, but it does contain... THE UNSTOPPABLE PAVELING BOOK! Amnesiac: Impossible! No one has ever managed to pull a polymorph off of that card! NOOOOO!

Indeed, wonder why it has an esports

Well, if someone was to spend 50 million dollars on tournaments on their own game, even sudoku online, would turn into a Esport.

Because there is an audience that is interested in watching it. You for example.

A sudoku championship would actually be rather interesting.

a suicide championship

Luckiest player eu

And yes, baffling book giving him poly is lucky, but a few rounds prior to that. his flamewaker had missed rag twice and rag had make a 5/7 hit on the azure drake, so RNG wasnt all in Pavel's favour.

Another Forking Channel he got unlucky that time but this situation is what we call a player is "punished" for not doing a safer play, he could have guarantee kill the rag with fireland portal and his minion that was on the board so he had safer options there. However the play against malygos and thaurissan he had nothing until babbling book saved him só he certainly had a lot more favor grom rng than his opponent

so it is pure rng? he loses when he misses, he wins when he hits?

its luck stop it just stop it

GxReaper its strategy out of game and 90% luck ingame

Where did you get the 75% win rates from? That is kinda ludicrous considering top players can't even manage that on ladder. The issue is that the better players are not winning consistently. Luck is a part of card games and that is okay, but hearthstone has implemented too much luck into the game for skill to decide the outcome of matches. Take poker for example. The best players in the world do not win every tournament because luck is still an aspect of the game, but they consistently win tournaments over time. You cannot win tournaments consistently in HS and that's why most people cannot take it seriously as something competitive, something that should be based on skill.

***** Yeah, that is Arena. The best players in the world average 7-8 wins, which would put them at about a 75% win rate. In constructed, when you reach the higher ranks, everyone is playing a viable deck, so win rates tend to dip below 75%. My issue is not with Arena or ladder but HS tournaments. I have a lot of respect for top legend players and infinite Arena players. In these type of games, you can measure player abilities based on consistency, not individual matches. But tournaments are decided on series of best of 7, where the sample size for a legend player is over hundreds, maybe thousands of games.

Jeff Li your comment is a year old, but I just had to say that you obviously don’t understand hearthstone, because your statement is fighting itself.

Blizzard has the funds to turn any of their casual games into an esport

@@yungchoqquit how so ? :D

Much obliged.) Happy you've enjoyed it!

The edit is the most annoying

F4K1NG Agreed

Isac Yes

There are a few elderly men streaming RNGstone as well, but other than that i think the audience is quite young, yes.

It's a free to play game, of course they are 12 year olds

So, a card that give you polymorph and fireland protal is controled by the player? What about Yogg?

yogg is controlled by playing more/less spells, and by choosing in advance when creating the deck

Hearthstone over the years has developed into a more RNG based game. What this implies is that players with better skill aren't being rewarded as much compared to less experienced players. Looking at decks that exist on ladder currently, we have the face hunter deck, which is really simple to pilot, as you're just generally playing secrets and attacking your opponent's face and occasionally trading. There're other examples such as tempo mage and midrange shaman. When decks like these are dominant, it doesn't really reward skill as there isn't a high skill cap on those decks, as players are losing to far less experienced players. Hearthstone currently lacks counterplay, as the game is heavily based on tempo, most games are decided whether you draw board clear or not against these decks. Yes, it is different in a tournament setting as you can ban classes, but when cards like Yogg-Saron exist, you can obviously see the effect that card has in deciding a single game, with RNG playing a huge factor. So when you take away a class that excels at pushing board and damage, you can, in fact, ensure that almost every game will most likely go to turn 10, so at that point, you're just playing slot machines. If you look at past statistics before all these expansions came out you will see that the top HS players had a larger win percentage in tournaments, doesn't that show how RNG reliant hearthstone has become? just how relevant is skill nowadays? I could ramble on, but I doubt people will actually take their time to read this wall of text. TL:DR hearthstone in it's current state, skill is less relevant, and more based on luck.

Zarorex DarkenTale Man I hear you. What I intended to say in my comment was that many people only see the moment Yogg is played and not what comes before. What you say is indeed right, cards like Yogg are like slot machines that can either instantly make you win or lose, but that is the reason tournament matches aren't played with a single game but with many, so that in the long run of the series the best player has a real better chance of winning. About the fact that the winners don't have that high of a win rate any more it maybe because of more people getting very good at playing the game, because the more time passes the more the competition rises. One last point: it's obvious that card games can never reach a point where skill is a lot more relevant then randomness, because of their nature, so it is really strange for that many people to complain about that. If people want to see pure skill-play they should go watch Starcraft, Counter Strike or Street Fighter.

Thanks for taking the time to read through, I appreciate that. However, I don't agree with the fact that card games cannot be more skill based, it's just that hearthstone doesn't have good in-depth decision making which helps separate good and bad players. Most of the time you just play on curve and make favourable trades on the board. Trading a 3/2 into a 4/3 doesn't require much thought process and is just self-explanatory. When you have a game like Duelyst, you can see that every mistake in a game can ultimately lead to a loss, and it definitely rewards skill. as the mechanics in the game create a much higher learning curve than hearthstone. As for the statistics, the top players have shown to have considerably better win rates before the expansions rolled out, I think this is too coincidental for it to be because of "better competition". Looking at cards like Dr. Boom, which can absolutely demolish your board or just deal 2 damage to your face if you're lucky. A card like imp-losion, which deals 2-4 damage and summons an imp for each damage dealt. The card can have too much variance in terms of outcomes. It can be mediocre or become really good, as you're not only dealing more damage, but summoning more minions, which can drastically change an outcome of a game, especially back when knife juggler was the meta in Zoolock, it was a nightmare when they roll a four. Although these cards are no longer in standard, this is a prime example of how much RNG has taken over hearthstone. Back then when only the classic set existed, the only impactful RNG was with Ragnaros and brawl and Ysera (probably other examples like thought steal, but that's soft compared to now). This narrowed down the RNG aspect and we can objectively compare player decisions, rather than be looking at how "lucky" someone got with Yogg-saron. It's appalling how someone who makes great decisions can just get steamrolled by one card. If you've followed Amaz back when priest was the meta class, you can just see the thought process it took for him to clear the board with pyromancers, as he needed to decide on how he should be managing his cards. Yes, the better player will win more games in the long term, but as RNG elements become more prominent, it can easily make inconsistent results. Someone who has spectacular RNG with Yogg saron throughout the entire tournament is definitely just going to win, even if there are more skilled players in the tournament, see the problem? I honestly just don't watch hearthstone Esports anymore because you just can't predict who is going to win, you know that RNG is just going to be a huge factor in the tournament. Sure someone who is more skilled will be favoured, but what does his skill correlate to when his opponent gets far more luck than he does? (hey, thijs, thanks for the one pack).

i think hearthstone is like 60% luck 40 % skill

I was thinking the same thing lol Of course you play SS first... you're digging for sap. I wonder if they play this game.

The Walking Meme your a fool. luck and skill have nothing to do with each other regardless of the fact that both are relevant in every game ever made. they dont inherently have any relation to eachother at all

The Walking Meme its an ad hominem because the problem with this community is not the difference in skill and luck but the attitude people have towards both of those relevant factors of the game. Its people like you and these commentators that ignore or misinterpret this factor of the game that is holding its development back. luck is not a problem, your perception is. is you tell me 1 + 2 = 4 math isnt wrong you just dont know how to add. and if you answer 4s on a live stream and the commentators say its doesnt matter what he thinks it adds up to as long as he has the 1 and 3 he will win then they are wrong too for ignoring it. yea im calling you and the commentators out. because yall are the problem.

The Walking Meme The Walking Meme Webster's definitions: Skill: the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance. Luck: a force that brings good fortune or adversity. one is a measure of your control and ability the other is an OUTSIDE FORCE beyond control. they are closer to opposites than they are to "intertwined".

The more I think about it the more genius it actually sounds. Well you live and learn, it's an awesome idea!

He doesnt represent us all...

Is this a necromancer gathering

Comments Are True yes

Randall Donadio You don't seem like someone old enough to complain about paying taxes, so I highly doubt you're paying for someone coming to your country and having '6' children, not that that's how it works in the first place, but again, you probably wouldn't know.

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are you dumb or just trolling, then any game in the world is RNG.

Heartstone features a lot more RNG than most other esport games. As a competetive game it is easily one of the worse. I still enjoy watching it though, its a cool game.

+Xan Its all about the ratio of luck and skill. And hearthstone has obviously LUCK > SKILL. Like come on man, Who the hell is gonna play yogg in his deck in the tournament. Yogg is 100% yolo. He can F u up or even one shot your opponent and more. Thats even the proof that players at the tournament knew about the high chance of RNG. So why not yolo it to the finals.

They're not my RNG

Thanks bro, appreciate it!

Yeah...

esports in general is a joke

@@afewhundredyearslate no

They are retards and won't understand your post. Their logic will be "but he came back to win 3-4 in a row" like the losses meant nothing. He had his fair share of bad RNG too.

Nah, he won, so he had more luck that his opponents. Thats all there is to it really.

Jans6ever Oh, okay so post a photo of all your trophies then? Oh, you were just unlucky in every thing you ever did? LMAO delusional kid

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