Masks don't count as content. You literally can't see it while you are playing. I feel like the skins are just for people with huge egos and just want some upper hand to say I have this and you don't kinda thing. We used to be able to make our own skins. Now we pay $20 for a gun that's already in the game and looks different. These games put out more "content" in micro transactions than they di the actual games.
agreed i remember when the beta came out and the only real bad drama was denuvo and online only, now denuvo was removed prelaunch and offline mode is being added sometime this year but theres so many other problems with the game it doesnt have the same fling i felt when i tried the beta, at least you can play solo i guess
Given that it's a starbreeze release my review pretty much just had been "I didn't expect it to release in such a good state". Like honestly, after dealing with PD2s Major issues for years on end until they finally fixed them or added the stuff in that was asked for I expected it to go the same way. What we got is a way better release state but yet another management issue which was... to be expected to say the least. What I don't get is why they're now full force on fixing things up instead of doing it like they did prior: release content while fixing up the issues over time. But the worst part is that people run in the same mistakes over and over - be it cyberpunk or pd3: people buy it despite the companies reputation and then act surprised that it turns out the way everyone could've seen easily prior. It's actual insanity.
With the power of the unready button finally realized, Starbreeze might just have what it takes to implement the most complex feature known to gaming: Lobby chat. As in, the ability to communicate with other players during the pre-game lobby.
@@NombreGenerico89TF2 Unfortunately, that's a pipe dream. Video games won't have the ability to communicate with other players for at least another 150 years.
@@mesmorrowI heard there’s an ancient Chinese way of talking called text chat. I haven’t found it yet but kungfu masters will unearth it sometimes in 3000.
Reinstalled payday 2.... played some public lobbies and some of the vets still playing or coming back were so kind to me in helping me with my builds and adding suggestions and were willing to chip in on what maps to play when i didnt know what to pick or how to keep them around great experience
Yeah, i got payday 2 almost 8 months ago, some veterans and players were the most nice people i met, they also helped me to choose which build i should pick
I swear at night is when most vets be on that’s usually when I do the most crime sprees definitely debating on reinstalling just to run a few heists and complete the first level of infamy
Oh yeah the payday 2 vets are a godsend, i wouldn't have been able to get past hard without their advice to be honest lol still haven't met one with a single mean bone in their body, i think the rudest thing i got was "wait your running stealth on go bank? Why?"
I hopped on Payday 2 and some max level guy told me I was "dead weight" before leaving because all I knew how to do was hold down a location & shoot the enemies instead of cooking meth or some shit haha
@@ArchangelPhenoix 2023 was supposed to be the year of Payday. Disappointment can't even begin to describe how it launched. Legit put me in a major depression for a month
A lot of the original developers left Starbreeze/Overkill and did not work on Payday 3. They moved on and created a studio called 10 Chambers that is known for a co-op game called GTFO. They are working on a heist game called Den of Wolves. It looks to be set in a more sci-fi or cyberpunk setting.
@@auspiciouskaktus2692 For the LOW level developers, yes, NOT the head creatives. That'd be like Todd Howard and Emil Pagliano leaving after each Fallout or Elder Scrolls game. Regadless of your opinion of those two, Bethesda isnt Bethesda without them.
My biggest issue with Payday 3 is that it has no reason to exist. Payday 2 literally has you rob the White House for presidential pardons before Bain's death because he wants the gang to just be free from the law's clutches and retire. As a result, Dallas and the crew have no reason to continue after Payday 2 lest they just completely spit on what Bain did for them to live out their lives in peace. Unless it goes off an ending that isn't the true ending since I'm pretty sure we still don't know which is canon (at least i dont think the devs have said it). Does Dallas's credit card just decline when he goes to order something on Amazon and he's like "damn, gotta get the gang back together"?
It's disheartening to see what happened to Payday 3. The gaming community expected so much more. It's a shame to see a game with such potential fall so hard. I hope developers take this as a lesson in what not to do.
People are already telling them what to do and not to do TWICE! The first was when they released Raid: WW2, and then when they released Overkill's The Walking Dead
The devs at Starbreeze honestly feel like they only work once a week on a weekend as a side hobby, 6 months for an unready button and a bunch of other lack luster features/changes is pretty sad.
The reason for this is a fairly obvious one people that seem to be overlooking, and it's because the developers at starbreeze are working on another project (project baxter, whatever that is) and more importantly for payday 3 that a majority of the developers for the game are working on the DLC since they have an obligation to both the publisher and the people who bought the season pass. They'd probably be in a LOT more trouble than they currently are if they put their full focus on QoL changes rather than delivering what they've promised.
@@TehCoopaTroopaas someone that dealt with Overkill since 2014 I can guarantee u the people that are still working at the company are incompetent, arrogant and delusional AF (at least most of them).
@@skeley6776 this. never had been any different. for a starbreeze release it's actually probably the best release they've ever made. I thought after cyberpunk people would actually look up the companies and how they act if they don't know them too well, guess I was wrong and people still are surprised despite the track record each of the companies got every single time. Just thinking about having only 2 even more useless bots for years until they finally added the 3rd, or the years it took them to fix the desync which in return caused issues for people that used the desync fix mod for years at that point as they didn't notice the official fix finally arriving. The fact that we got the original Specials + 1 extra on release as well as no desync and enemies not permanently running through every wall makes it look like they finally understood the base principles of creating a game. Edit: Now it's just waiting for a few years again until it's fully worth it (if the game survives this time around that is, would be a feat to revive a franchise 2 times in a row).
@@seanpoulton2446I feel like companies seen what No Man's Sky did and just decided to mold every game after it in terms of "release sub-par at best now, fix it later"
They just need to add New heists New maps New heisters New contractors New weapons New melee system A new ui A new level system Crossovers like payday2 Better masks Better servers Offline mode And more va lines (They need to make a new game,)
All they needed todo was Remake Payday 2 but Streamline it. Aka. A sequal. Add some new stuff, update the Engine and UI, and general QOL Tweaks. thats it instead they tried to completely Reboot the series. Removing most of the things that make Payday 2 fun.
That's the whole issue with PD3. Why, would you buy a new game with less content, when you can buy an older, cheaper game (plus it was free once!) with DLC, more heists, loads of characters, mod support, offline play, and more.
Payday 3 could have been as big as helldivers 2, but the lack of heists, generic skill system, poor weapon selection, zero QoL features, no lobby searching, AND their refusal to break PC/Console parity to fix servers ruined it. It had a chance at launch, it had a shot during the first week, it was still alive in the second week... But the third week? The fourth week? Anyone who wanted to play it already had, and everyone else was fed up with server issues that had a fix ready for PC at least... but were delayed because "cOnSoLe PaRiTy." Now PD3 has to watch every other coop game out there eat its lunch as they desparately try to make tiny fixes and hype them up as major additions. As they do their bare minimum of releasing content they pre-sold that they almost certainly will not make their money back on. What a shame. What an absolute shame to throw away a decade worth of brand recognition, good will, and hype the community had from PD2 on such a mediocre sequel. I guess it's kinda funny, you couldn't find a game before, and you still can't find a game after the fixes. Well, at least there's den of wolves to look forward to for a new and potentially good heisting game! Oh, and Payday 2 when they go back to developing content for it I guess.
Please stop worshipping Helldivers 2 until they remove the malware, appreciate it. @LUCAS420BLZ Yeah, the Technical Director lying about what the software does after being disproven by exhaustive community research strikes me as the benevolent touch of a saint.
this is why value only counts to 2, as much as we want a left 4 dead, half life, portal, 3. the master mind gabe saw where gaming was going and noped out of that you either died the hero or live long enough to become the villain
@@jonathanoneill8655He’s saying those games stopped at 2 because they knew anything after wouldn’t be good. Halo 3 and GoW 3 were two amazing games in their respective franchises.
Ugh. Even I’ve lost hope. I’ve tried staying optimistic for ages but we’re in a place now where I’m thinking they’re gonna pull the plug. And you’re right, this is literally the only heist game. Den of Wolves is coming out soon and it’s being made by some of the people who worked on PAYDAY 2, so let’s see how that goes I suppose.
To my knowledge in KF2, maps were always free unless you wanted to buy new weapons or weapon/character skins. Tripwire won't do us like that... I hope.
Heartbreaking for me. With how disappointing videos games have been for the past decade, I was actually so hopeful for PD3 and even pre-purchased. After a couple of weeks, I found myself loading up PD2 and that just made me even angrier. Starbreeze should just close up shop permanently.
The funny thing is starbreeze OG Devs who left are the ones responsible for giving an award that convinced the founders from Arrowhead to quit school and focus on making games which lead to Helldivers 2 more than a decade later.
Most annoying thing with games now is the fact they demand you to see them as a job then a fun entertainment, games now love and I mean LOVE FOMO, they love to lock anything and everything behind it and the 1 thing that pisses me off with live service games now are shitty, bland, boring battle passes, it's a scam that you pay to not get what you paid for but instead you pay to have the right to earn what use to be just basic leveling up rewards. Back in the day with games like cod you would play for fun and along the way you would level up and when that happend you would get new weapons to use and so on, now games do it where you level up but all the rewards you use to unlock are now locked away behind a pay wall, you then have the fact that the progression swaps out and the stuff in it is god forever and they don't bring it back. People like to play games to relax, to have fun and not to stress over small things, grind challenges and matches for the sake of earning basic features. games now make you go through so much crap to make your purchase valid, if you buy a battle pass and don't sweat your ass off then sorry your money was probably wasted and you probably didn't get the value of what you paid for. Nothing is more off putting then seeing a game launch that is a over done BR mode (Or a game that only has 1 game mode and nothing else) it launches with a stressful and rip off Battle Pass and also the only way to even progress is not playing the game like it use to but now having to do stupid challenges that make you and everyone else throw the match as well as be pointless. Games that follow these trends are just so tiering and not fun because once you stop to think about what the game actually has in value of fun and gameplay, you realise it's all just predatory shit that is built on the goal to worm their way in your brain to use human phycology to feed off of you, FOMO is something we humans have, some stronger and some not so much, but with a lot of shit I've seen with games and people playing them they seem to only play them out of FOMO. My Ex back wanted to play Classic WoW which I thought was pointless as what is there to gain from it, he wanted to go and play and take part in all the events that went on back in the day which was feeding off of his FOMO, the fact is that no matter what they will never live that moment and those wanting to go back to that because of nostalgia won't get that either as that was all down to the time, the people, the thoughts and so on back then, you can't recreate something like that because there are so so so many factors that happened. My little brother doesn't play fortnite and he doesn't like it really but he wanted to get snake, so he went on and grinded it out but he told me how much he doesn't want to play it and didn't want to start but he wanted to get snake, I play fortnite and I play it more and with some friends here and there, I have had so many problems with it's FOMO and in the end with games like fortnite I just get burnt out and the more it happens the more I find myself playing less and less and then looking for something else better and less stressful. This is all on top of the fact triple A games now also make their games really unfair so everyone can play which makes them less skill based and more bullshit and so on to make it that someone new to it all can pick it right up and play but it comes at the cost of the game being unfair as well as just not fun.
@yy22-nq8ii It's why everything is live service and why battle passes pray on FOMO, they get them playing a lot, the developer's have to constantly pump out content over and over again. The thing is, if you don't have zoomer brain then it's boring and becomes to stressful and you get burnt out, or at least I do which is the opposite of what they want, my friends seem to get burnt out and I've seen a lot of older people out tight drop games due to the fact they just don't enjoy them no more, well kids love the game but it never sounds like they are taking in the game and it sounds more like they are doing it because it's the cool thing to do.
The core gameplay is good, buggy but good. However, the UX, UI, menus and systems are some of the worst I've ever experienced in a game. Their desire to make this an online-only live service has fundamentally underpinned almost every design decision. Let's not even mention the server setup that we're forced to interact with when most of us just want to peer 2 peer with our friends. To fix this they may as well start from scratch.
I genuinely forgot this game dropped half a year ago. It feels so much longer because I've just not heard *anything* about it since the initial issues on launch
And there wasn't that much stuff happening either. -Servers fixed -2 new heists -1 DLC released -couple of small patches here and there That's all I can think of.
@@Oppen1945 Welcome to the Payday experience. It'll be heard from next either if they go bankrupt or if they fixed it up and managed to revive it, same as it was with PD2.
It is like there was no one that took part of the development and game direction of PAYDAY 2 present at the development of PAYDAY 3. PAYDAY 2 made so many great things and they were completely ignored and not brought to PAYDAY 3. The cool thing is that there are problems in PAYDAY 3 that were in PAYDAY 2 at launch, that were later on addressed, like how weapon stats were represented as uninformative bars that were later replaced with actual useful numbers later.
I wondered if executives stepped in during payday3's development and turned its direction. It feels so weird for a fun team that has consistently made good additions and updates to their previous titles to have released this mess..
This pretty much is what happened as most people that worked on PAYDAY: The Heist and early PAYDAY 2 lifecycle has basically went out and prop up their own new studio called 10 Chambers Collective, you might know them as the devs behind GTFO.
@@SEF84 10 Chambers also just about failed so... I dunno what that says about those devs that left, if they just had one good idea but fumbled it hard. Or it's a Callisto Protocol/Back 4 Blood situation where basically none of the people that made their previous games what they were are actually working on their current game.
@@OrionDawn15GTFO had a peak of 5k players and it still has a avg of 1k 5years later. How is that failure? Its literally a indie game that did decent and kept a lot of its players playing while PD3 started with 69k players and 6months later it has 265 on avg.
If they had literally just made payday 2 but on the not dogshit Diesel engine they’d be printing money. The biggest downside to payday 2 is its incredibly niche and proprietary engine that is not anywhere near capable of running the absolute tsunami of cops and bodies properly.
@@hansstrudel9614Look at RAID WWII btw, same engine, different devs. Overkill/ starbreeze is to blame for the lacking quality of the engine implementation
@@hansstrudel9614 I can understand AAA companies making proprietary engines, but a company like Starbreeze to focus on proprietary engines is absurd. It's not that they're guerrilla games and have an engine so good that they can license for profit anyway
For me it was just hearing online only that made me not buy it. My friend did and shared it with me so I could try it for free. My opinion as someone who played it for free? I wanted my time refunded man. 😂
@@shadowxhero4953 I played the public demo version and the only thing i could somewhat without being kicked out from the server we're the tutorials (since they run locally).
What made me go away from this game on day 1 was the lack of offline, and you can only play this thing online. The lack of crime net offline was so stupid. At least i didn't play enough to see the rest of the problems in this atrocity.
To address your ending, 10 Chambers is literally making "Den of Wolves". A 4 player heist shooter that is a spiritual successor to Payday. You should definitely check that one out.
@@ratgobbler This is going to be pretty long because there's quite a bit wrong with the game, just warning you. There's a TLDR at the very bottom if you just want the super short and oversimplified of it. It started out pretty alright, but they got scared of changing things up... or were too lazy to, whichever sounds more likely to you, and the game was basically the exact same thing over and over again with hardly any deviation. And when I say the 'exact same thing', I don't mean the gameplay's repetitive, it is but most games are. No, I mean they reuse the EXACT SAME ASSETS EVERY RUNDOWN, for simplicity think of rundowns as seasons in games but with whole new levels. Back to what I was saying, they literally reuse entire rooms with minor changes for just about every level in the game with a few exceptions so besides the gameplay being slow and unfun, you're just going through the same rooms you've seen dozens and dozens of times before. The rundowns don't really offer anything of value, they never do new objectives, they don't add new enemies and when DO add enemies you'd be lucky if they're not just the exact same grunts you normally see but with minor alterations to fit a different enemy 'type'. For example, the last rundown of the game and the final major update. Guess how they handled that? If you guessed copy and paste the exact same room assets with no objective variation, you're correct. What did they do about enemies? If you guessed just making standard grunts but removing their heads and adding tumors as weakspots to their bodies, you'd also be correct. There's only a couple actually unique enemies and you rarely fight them. And with how they handled the final major update, it's safe to say they put as much effort into it as they did the rest of the game; they didn't even try. On top of that, the game is meant to be super hardcore and stuff, but the game is super unforgiving for newcomers. On top of that, their idea of difficulty is to have weapons that feel like they do piss-poor damage, give you little ammo, have tons of enemies that not only hurt a lot but can soak up damage. The game IS a stealth game, but stealth is as simple as 'red light, green light' unless it's not and going loud is sometimes forced. Also they like to spam poison fog at you that's not only hard to see through but limits your max health, and give you next to no way to get that health back. Of course, it's not enough that the game is frustrating, it's not enough that you're going to be driven mad by the aggressive reuse of assets and complete lack of variety in objectives and enemies... every level is up to an HOUR LONG and there's NO checkpoints, so your one run HAS to be the winning run or you're going to be stuck on that level for hours, or even days. TLDR; Aggressive reuse of area assets, creatively bankrupt in terms of enemy design and variety, little objective variety, hard but not hard in a way that feels fair, it's just lazy difficulty. EVERY LEVEL IS AN HOUR LONG AND THERE'S NO CHECKPOINTS IN ANY LEVELS UNTIL LATER RUNDOWNS AND IT'S MOSTLY JUST ONE CHECKPOINT ANYWAY.
@@OrionDawn15 tbf, I do genuinely enjoy GTFO so I'm probably not the best target for the faults of the game but I definitely understand why people wouldn't like it
Fun fact, if you preordered the game with Silver/Gold edition you had access to Early Access. You could refund the game at ANY TIME before the game released. This mean speople played up to 20 hours of the game and then refunded it no problem.
I miss one player games. Devs seem to be doing a lot more N MMO/RPG type things and it kinda makes me sad. I’m a disabled gamer.. I use headphones to supplement low vision, and you would not believe how annoyed people get at random, when I’m not even interacting with them, because I’m looking around, judging which sounds mean what and such. Then I’ve had literal children who were teamed up me when Fortnite first came out who were so sweet and helped me find where we were dropping. (I always collected loot😂 obviously, aiming wasn’t my strong suit, but evading getting shot was:). My point is some of the online communities can be very toxic for no other reason than you’re trying to figure stuff out. I really wish they had more single player games on console.
@@zeedude8026 They did. It just so happened that PD3 is a starbreeze release - for anyone not knowing the company that means: don't expect to much, it's usually a positive surprise if they launch with all base specials and no desync for years to come. So while it's a downgrade to PD2 after 10 years in most terms, it's a huge upgrade on their release quality. Even tho I can already see it being their last release unless they can revive the franchise once again - and even that only went mediocre last time if I see the steamstats for PD2 in comparison to the amount of people that tried out the game.
As someone who sunk almost 3000 hours into Payday 2 I naturally played the Beta of PD3 and saw the writing on the wall. Absolute uninspired soulless bog standard Unreal Engine FPS gameplay with a Payday skin and overdue stealth improvements with greedy monetization lurking in the shadows waiting to emerge. I mean frankly the writing was on the wall ever since the lootbox debacle 2015 and how the game and Overkill progressed from that point onward. Here is hoping that 10CC cranks out something killer with Den of Wolves
There's an amazing point of hubris that people aren't talking about in this whole mess: When 3 was released, all Payday 2 players were all given a cosmetic item of a hooded sweatshirt that says "Dead Game" on the front. To be clear, this item is a Payday 2 item. It's not some kind of keepsake or an item you get in 3. They are handing the previous game's players a subtle insult and push to buy the -scam- sequel in the form of a faux-ironic sweatshirt reskin. Ironically the Payday 2 'Dead Game shirt' probably has more active wearers in Payday 2 right now than 3 has whole-ass players daily.
At this point: even when a live service game comes out and is a good game, I’m reluctant to get into it because their entire value is based on whether or not people continue to play it :/ wish more games would be developed with offline potential so I could still enjoy them.
Payday 3 was such a disappointment....that I forgot it existed because I was trying to forget the lackluster experience. Except for the time a whole city block got alerted and my friends were trying to tie everyone up and put them into a bank, I spent more time thinking about the fun times of Payday 2.
Helldivers 2 "live service" consists of a BattlePass that does NOT expire, can be bought with in game credits (which you can cheese and farm), and has actual "live" content.
The most infuriating part is, they shat on Payday 2 with their final updates, moved on to Payday 3 (and we know how that ended up working out for them), the community pointed out "hey that old game that we still love? It's busted, fix it, have some respect", and they did absolutely nothing with PD2 and laughably little with PD3 For those of you who don't know, with update 240.3 Overkill... ahem: 1. Broke the AI - it's worse, for example, shields and tasers are considerably less effective 2. Broke the game - PD2 still to this day crashes for everyone except the host (sometimes the host also gets fucked) if you tase a cop and then try to dominate them (their weapon breaks and breaks the whole game or some shit). There is a designated mod on Nexus called Tased Domination Bandaid that fixes SPECIFICALLY this issue. And considering how frequently people use electric melee weapons (especially to get converts) - you can imagine what an infernal shitshow you get trying just to play the game 3. Somehow broke the achievements - yeah, the equivalent of challenges, fun and rewarding, and also broken. You still can't get the "System Shocked" achievement unless you hack it For someone who bought this game on its release, has all the DLCs and almost 800 hours clocked in, this whole charade feels like a spit in the face, plain and simple
Hey Muta. I imagine you're aware but the 0 showing on the steam charts I believe is due to Tuesday maintenance. Doesn't change the point but figured I would mention that :p
Way too common for love service sequels to axe features that were in the previous title. Only to bring them back in a future update, months after launch.
What Starbreeeze should've done is have most, if not all of the content from Payday 2 ported and ready, launched the game, get complaints about lack of content and then little by little just moved everything from Payday 2 over in order to make 3 the ultimate experience while also focusing on other issues. If they had released Payday 3 with recycled content people would be mad, if they release it with not as much content as the sequel people would be mad. The fact that CEOs don't see this is baffling!
Good news actually; Update 237 didn't completely screw over PD2. *They tried to doom the multiplayer,* but if you put some launch options on like... I think the command is ~SteamMM, it will revert back to the old matchmaking that the game had previously.
Victim of the ages, gaming overall is in a sad sad state. Nobody can do what Fortnite did guys, pack it up and be good at your own thing. Live service means less service.
I remember Ross Scott's take on live service games. If a game had a central server dependency, he'd just show a graphic of an overly happy guy with a loose noose around his neck giving a big thumbs up. Yeah, live service games bring new meaning to the term "dead game" when support gets dropped.
@@deaconthethird3218 why does a game need central server dependency again? are they making a platform like roblox where they host multiple gamemodes? because i don't see any reason for any game to rely only on developer-hosted servers, when you can just either use P2P or provide server tools to community and have them host servers and even allow the game to be played locally. It's waste of server software to only host sessions for 1 game.
@@HRM.H Yeah nothing Fortnite did was original for sure and despite that it was a huge success that the entire industry copied and now games like this fizzle out and die a month after release, because they think they can just follow the same trends as Fortnite or COD or GTA and win everybody’s money, when the consumer is actually sick and tired of how similar all these games became.
The funniest part about this whole situation is how the Payday 3 devs assured us that the way leveling and skills worked was for the best and we would appreciate it eventually and they are now backtracking hard and promised to rework it because "it seems played didn't like it" well no shit and they said so from the beginning! Also its funny how Payday 2 has "dead game" shirts but the actual dead game is so dead its not even worth it to make the t-shirt
I legit never understood why multiplayer only games, games that basically are already live service of sorts by selling cosmetic DLC on the regular, would just decide to throw their game into the bin and release a "sequel" in the silly hope that they'll be able to make more bucks by releasing the same game again, but with an even more predatory business model. Overwatch 2, Smite 2, Payday 3, etc etc etc.
I would be adding to that player count but my hand is broken. I had finally gotten payday 3 installed and then broke my hand learning how to skateboard
The developers that designed the gameplay loop for PDTH and PD2 have left in 2015, since then the remaining developers at Starbreeze were completely clueless on where to go with the game but were lucky that the game's concept was more or less fully realized at that point, hence why the game managed to live on a little bit longer and is also the reason why the "dead game" quote came from, due to cluelessness of the developers. It became fully apparent for a lot of people when PD3 released and I'm glad people are also realizing that Almir shouldn't be trusted, lol. Basically, its not the same developers that made PD2 that worked on the new game, no- it was OVERKILL's The Walking Dead devs that worked on it :)
the worst part about this is how Overkill has literally grown too comfortable trying something new. everytime a new title gets put out, whether it's Payday or not ends up being exactly the same game but with some shiny coat of paint over that. The Walking Dead, that WW2 game and whatever else they've put out. literally an utter failure both in revenue gains and keeping whatever remains of the community as most of the players have already went back to PD2.
I saw this coming. They made that walking dead game that was so bad that everyone literally forgot about it after they pulled it from sale and refunded. That's why I held out on Payday 3 despite it being on gamepass at launch.
I remember when PR marketing and advertising your game to the masses with a cool event wasnt just a plea for content creators to praise your game for freebies. Saints Row2022 and now PD3 both did crazy PR adverts and events blowing the rest of the budget, only to crash because they forgot to make a functioning title
Crazy PR events?? You mean that one event they did for which they invited youtubers? That didnt even put a dent in their budget😂 the real waste is their dev team
@@HRM.H I guess the real heist was our wallets all along then lol. Wonder where all that Payday 2 money went. I heard all debt but could have done a runner.
Sad part is I was ready to genuinely get into the Payday series. I figured 10 years of dev with Payday2 would be enough for them to KNOW what Payday 3 had to be. And as soon as it released I knew it was goner the moment they had mission like “Complete this heist 200+ times”. And the lack of a offline mode. It’s pitiful to see such a series go downhill, let alone the devoted players see the sequel be a wasteful wait. Then again, Developers seem to be doing that a lot recently.
Yeh you're spot on with this: If you want to sell a sequel to an already good live service game, there needs to be a reason you're asking players to go from a massive boat load of content (often free or very cheap) to buy a buggy, empty, somewhat better looking game. If you don't have a convincing answer for the question: Why would I play payday 3 when I can play payday 2? You failed to make a sequel.
They gotta compete with helldivers now. Which Helldivers got leaked showing they’re ALREADY WORKING ON AN ENTIRELY NEW ENEMY FACTION. Meanwhile this game is still won’t have P2P connection even with server browser you’re going need hope the game servers are working to host a lobby
Even Deep Rock Galactic has been out-competing Payday 3, and that game's not even the new talk of the town like Helldivers. Ghost Ship recently outdid PD3's numbers with their sixth anniversary update.
Who would have ever thought that the company that half-developed, half-released and full-abandoned The Walking Dead couldn't be trusted to maintain a game?
I was so close to buying Payday 3 because I heard Payday 2 was really good, and I'm glad I didn't. I could buy Payday 2 with a bunch of DLC for like $20, and from what I hear, that's the way to go.
Starbreeze has always been terrible at managing anything but in the last years it's gotten progressively worst. They failed miserably with their Walking Dead game and have been desperate to keep afloat releasing a ridiculous amount of DLCs for Payday 2. It's really not surprising that Payday 3 would fail and either Starbreeze goes bankrupt or somehow someone will acquire them.
I pre-ordered the game but haven't installed it due to all the negative press/news. They announced fixes were coming, sad to hear they have not arrived in any meaningful way. This was the nail in the coffin for me pre-ordering games. Plenty of other cheaper/better games out there that outshined the generic sequel messes that came out over the last year. Saints Row also got my money.
Sorry to hear that, hopefully you've learned your lesson. The devs of the OG Payday, 1 and 2 I mean, have a game coming up called Den Of Wolves, which looks to be cyberpunk Payday. You can check it out if that interests you but I'd be cautiously optimistic, people previously working on good products just doesn't mean anything anymore and they also fumbled their last game, GTFO. I can't say I trust them at all seeing as how they handled that game and the community, but I'm certainly keeping an eye on it.
I'd still install it and give it a go since it IS a fun game, regardless of the issues in it (most important currently being the lack of a quick play feature). Definitely enjoyed it more than I did Saints Row.
They planned from the start to be scummy as EA, But forgotten they aint that big. We still have tons of backlog games to play, Monsterhunter was on sale and still finishing P3R, aint to time for this.
what hurts me is that there were a lot of improvements that I wanted from Payday 2, but the lack of content, DLC pricing, lack of basic features and the horrible UI that looks like an early access game, really hope they can make something of it after the publishing deal and releasing all the gold edition stuff, if the content doesn't pick up from there it will be completely hopeless bringing it back to life
I believe you would've had way more fun playing the roblox ripoff "Notoriety" (it has been taken down because of a DMCA request late last year but the developers are revamping the game completely to bring it back).
One of the reasons I personally don't play anymore, even after picking it up for only 20€, is that I loved some of the DLC content for PD2, but the DLC in 3 just feels like too much money spent for too little value, even if the quality might be decent.
It was evident from the very first gameplay trailer that it was rushed. Starbreeze had kept quiet for so long and then they released the first gameplay reveal out of the blue. There were so many negative comments on the graphics and animations, saying it looked like Payday 2.5. It's obvious Starbreeze deleted those.
And the worst thing imo is that the Payday community has one of the most loyal and dedicated fanbase i ever seen, and yet for the devs to dissappoint them in such a bad way is hands down criminal
Some friends of mine gave me grief about showing some loyalty to a good dev, because I didn't buy Payday 3 like they did. I saw what Overkill did with Update 237 on Payday 2, and I was so off-put about that game *retroactively* getting a *central server dependency* on EGS that I said no to the sequel... It took my friends *two days* for them to stop talking to me about getting the game.
In my opinion the biggest reason why this game flopped was the matchmaking that replaced crimenet. When player count was still high and servers wern't overloaded it was already impossible to find an overkill heist. You launch the game, sit in que for 10 minutes, give up and leave. It simply didn't work. All the other issues are minor compared this this and the game would've survived (at least somehwat) if it wasn't for the mentioned above.
I got done with all the content they had to offer within a week in payday 3, you can play the second one for months and still have content out there to discover. We need to start just boycotting these types of games, don’t buy them, don’t spend a single microtransaction, that’s the only way the companies will back off, as long as we pad their pockets they have no incentive to stop. It’s sad what gaming has become.
