Yes, when I make watercolor I use it to make heavy clouds, in waves in the sea and not least in the shadows of plants. I use this amazing color but sparingly as it is incredibly powerful and easily becomes dominant :)
Yes, although being a beginner, I haven’t done much. However, I saw a video by an artist, whose name I cannot recall, who suggested making a chart of mixes of a blue with red in it, a blue that leaned toward green, and Paynes Gray. Each of those 3 were mixed on the chart with steadily increased amounts of 7 other colors. I was astounded by the variety of colors obtained with the Paynes Gray. It convinced me of the versatility possible with Paynes Gray. As I become more skilled, I intend to use it quite a bit in mixes. Thank you for reinforcing this lesson-and for teaching me even more!
I admit I bought Payne's gray as a convenience shadow color which seems to have mixed results. Clouds was another main usage; thankfully watched this and got many more ideas on how to use it
I am a fan of the WN Paynes grey. It is astonishingly blue compared to many others thats true, but it is very clean without any noticeable black precipitating out. For a true grey, I prefer Neutral tint but this can be achieved by adding a touch of alizarin to the WN Paynes grey. I have some Jackson's brand which can be good for very stormy skies, but it has a lot of carbon black which is very noticeable in any attempted mixes. My main use for the WN Paynes grey was to drop into green foliage for the darker shadow areas. It works as well as Perylene green for this purpose, it also works perfectly for a cooler sky blue in winter scenes.
At last! An explanation of Payne's Grey that I can follow. I'm having a lovely time, sitting here, a little bowl of nuts to hand, going through your videos. Much appreciated, and many thanks.
I love soft muted greens. The mix I find myself using again and again is Winsor & Newton Paynes Gray + Cadmium Yellow. What a gorgeous green. You are a master of color. Michele!
I love color theory. I had a great art teacher in grammar school & at that time oils was my favorite medium. Then life got in the way. I’m now retired & beginning to enjoy the world of watercolor. Thank you for all your helpful tips.
Thank you for this. I had no idea as I'm so very new to this. I only heard of Payne's Gray this month when I got started with a cheap set of watercolors. Watching various tutorials it seems to be a popular background color. But your mixing of colors really enlightened me. I am waiting on new set to arrive with real colors with actual names haha. Crayola set at present. Your videos are lovely.
I love using paynes grey as well as neutral gray exactly the ways you do here. They create amazing neutralized yet much more lively colours. Easy to warm up or cool down and coordinate with the colours on your piece
This is so helpful Michele! I really love the soft, muted purples, and would never have thought of using Payne's Grey to mix them. Thanks so much! 💕 Donna
I have loved Payne's Gray since I first tried it. I have both Paynes Gray and Payne's Blue Gray from Daniel Smith. I also have it in an inexpensive pan set I purchased on Amazon. I use it a lot.
i can't even imagine not using payne's gray. it and indigo is my go to for so many other colors i use, like dark dusky purple and moody blues to name a couple.
Actually my only watercolor class the instructor wanted up to purchase payen's grey. I see it being used everywhere. I do love how it mixes to make lovely naturals.
I'm so glad you talked about Paynes gray. The one I have has a slight blue tint. It's a very pretty color. I have used it for shade in some of my paintings. I thank you for showing how to get some very pretty colors by mixing paynes gray.
Interesting video. I was once told not to use yellow. I had done a painting that was predominantly yellow. I was told that it had worked in this instance but yellow is hard to handle so I should not attempt it again.
Thank you Michelle. I've just added Paynes Gray to my palette. Excited for the options ahead of me! I am a newbie and am so pleased I found your channel.
Enjoyed watching how you mixed the paynes grey with various colors and I actually started a small book with all the color mixes so I have a reference for my paintings.
Oh thank you! Actually I have a lot of acne scarring because I have always had oily skin. But then it ages better, factor 50 and hats is my recommendation :-) I did some beauty therapy training years ago and they told us remember the three 'S' that damage your skin... Sunlight, Smoking, Sugar (I eat too much sugar!) x
@@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber ha I suffered from acne when I was younger and into adulthood. good to see that the extra oil is a benefit later in life and explains why I still look pretty young!
Cloud shutters? huh? I'm in the USA so maybe I misheard - but I am curious what you meant. (Editing my comment) I apologize. I listened to the following segment and realized you were saying shadows. Thought you might get a laugh if you read it the first way that I heard it though. As a beginner I have beginner paints and no Paynes Gray, just Lamp black. However, I loved the blue-black that you mixed!
Totally going to use Payne's grey...was told by watercolor purist never to use it I was like but theres many things in our world that are a shade of grey, why cant I use it now I have to use it ...lol thank you for this video so I as a beginner in this watercolor journey could understand the pros and cons...mikelle newyork strong ✍🎨👍😷
Hey Michelle. I’ve been watching your videos religiously for a few months now. I love them and your teaching style. In this video when you re-capped, I was a bit frustrated because when you got to the lower examples you didn’t talk about which of the Paynes gray you had mixed with the colors. I know you had switched between the talons and the other one. Putting that aside, would you recommend getting both of them? I am feeling tempted to do so but also feeling worried about remembering which is best for what when mixing with other colors. The Paynes gray I have right now is terrible. It is a very gray color and never gets dark enough to represent black. It also has a very odd texture that leaves little lumps on the paper. I am in the market to buy a new Paynes gray soon. I guess I’ll just buy the two of these and play with them to see what I get or watch the video again. 😁👍
@@IntheStudiowithMicheleWebber No need to feel sorry for Michele. I marathoned some of your videos tonight with great enjoyment. I appreciate that you responded to a post you made so long ago. I am glad for the reminder because I want to get both of these into my shopping cart before I forget again.
Winsor-Newton is the most readily available brand in my area. Some things can be ordered from Amazon or Dick Blick. I am curious as to why it is that most RU-vid artists rarely demo with W-N. If I see something I want to try, I usually try to match the pigment numbers with something that W-N has, but that is not always possible, as with Payne’s Gray. Is there some problem with the W-N brand of which I am unaware? (I do avoid student grade products and so buy from the W-N Professional line.) Should I just order other brands from Amazon or Blick? Presumably different brands of paint can be used together-separately in the same painting or even mixed. Is that a correct assumption? Thank you for all the time you put in on these videos, the on-line courses (one of which I have just enrolled in), and answering all of these many questions that we beginners keep asking. Your videos and explanations are superior to many others.
🤣🤣 I love the ‘people talking smack about it’. I am buying a Payne’s gray today - I never owned it but I am intrigued by it and love what I see. I got a coupon so will also save $$. Win win.
ive just discovered your mixing videos and find them really helpful. a question, or suggestion if you will, is rather than just give the paints' name in addition to the brand you are using, give the pigment names. this could be helpful in choosing colors among the different brands since they seem to use their own names for marketing purposes rather than follow some kind of standard. and the pigments used are normally indicated on the tubes. any thoughts?
"no such thing as a bad colour" - YES! I'm a rebel and like black paint, as well. Not to mix shadows, and not as a replacement for mixing my own blacks, but as just another color I enjoy using 🤷 I'm looking for my perfect mixing black, I've had some fun mixing very granulating blacks with random colors. I struggle a bit more with white, mostly because I can't seem to find a good white paint. I've got the white ArtGraf block I'll be playing a bit with, but I'd love to find a really granulating, neutral/cool white - I know I could have a lot of fun with that! The whole "if someone tells me not to use a colour" bit... Y u p. That's how I got started with my black obsession, and it's all escalated from there 😂
Yes, I am like that too, far more rebellious than my daughter which is odd. I don't have a lot of whites, one thing I am going to do going forwards is swatch more colours and build up an archive on my website. I am about to build a new site...
I bought DS lunar black and I love it. It’s my fav colour to mess about it, even more than Moonglow. And the other one I love is mixing phthalo turquoise and rose madder. If I could make an entire piece with Lunar black with touches of dark blue ( mix) I would be very happy.
Thanks Maria, yes I will try to do that going forward, the surprise of my channel is that colour mixing videos are so popular, I didn't think they would be!
I started to learn about pigment numbers because a was attending classes, every teacher had different colours in was fortunate to have all of the maimeri blue yet I didn't have what was on their list,that when my journey started with pigment numbers,and I have to say 15 years ago the teachers only named them by name and as we know all brands call them differently, I'm so glad that there is more information now,takes the mystery out
I love Paynes Gray. Very interesting about the difference. I’m curious about what you think of neutral tint? I’m considering it for muting colors. Thanks as always!!
The thing with neutral tint is it varies a huge amount between brands. The best way to mute a colour is with it's opposite. For greens try pink, blue/orange, yellow/purple. A warm yellow can also calm a harsh green.
Well I wouldn't put it into everything, it does have some black pigment in it. Using opposite colours is a great trick, eg violet for shadow on a lemon etc
Paynes gray is a fantastic blue-gray which offers challenges to use and it is one of my favorite colors. There is ONLY one a real Paynes gray color and it is from the brand Winsor and Newton. In every other brand they have not managed to produce this amazing color, whatever enter it has been in crayons or acrylic. All other paynes gray is easy to mix yourself, but it will never be like watercolor paynes gray from WN. It's just my humble opinion and experience!
Neutral tint is less blue than Paynes Grey, I don't have it because greys are pretty easy to make. Sepia is great for tree trunks, and watered down for driftwood.
I imagine so, just beware of cheap imports, sometimes they package the cheaper ones to look like the professional set. Talens have two ranges of Watercolors: Van Gogh is the student's range, Rembrandt are the artist's range, Talens is the brand (Dutch). Usually 'Artist's' means the top quality, but it's worth checking.
How is Payn'e's Gray different from Neutral Tint? I'm almost finished with my Payne's Gray and am wondering what color to get to replace it or just get another Payne's Gray.
Neutral tint is another multi pigment colour that varies between manufacturers. It tends to be far more brown/black than the strong blue grey of Payne's grey. If you liked the one you had get another. It's a cleaner and more useful colour than neutral tint in my opinion and can be used to mix more colours.
If, like me, your computer/phone monitor shows virtually no difference between these colors, you may want to do these swatches yourself with your own paint. RU-vid is notorious for shifting colors that are only subtly different and averaging them to be virtually the same color. The video camera digitizes the color, then RU-vid will translate the video file to a different file format, then when you play it on your monitor the monitor itself will shift it again. Nearly no two monitors are alike, so getting colors to match is a technical challenge. Just saying, if the colors look identical, try this at home yourself. On my laptop these three grays look like the same paint, and none of them look like the paynes gray I normally paint with.
It's a challenge for sure Allan, I can't control the monitors and programs people are using when watching me. I just hope that I explain, and they can paint themselves to see the full results.
Very out of focus. I think your camera’s autofocus is on and is focussing on the paintbrush not the paper. You could either turn off autofocus or us a wide depth of field.p
