PC Engine Trash to Treasure Part 3 - RGB Mod a PC Engine

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Now that I have a 3D printer, and have figured out how to use it....let's wrap up the PC Engine T2T series with a tasty RGB mod and some custom printing to finish it up.
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@RMCRetro 4 года назад

Thanks for watching! Any 3D prints I sell will appear at www.etsy.com/uk/shop/TheRetroManCave - and the STL file is here: www.dropbox.com/s/4acri8gy4oplzsg/PCE%20RGB%20v16.stl?dl=0 - I'll get around to putting it up on Thingiverse proper some time soon. I hope you've enjoyed the series! Neil - RMC

@benTi900 4 года назад

Keep up the entertaining and informative videos

@PlatinumGamingg 4 года назад

RetroManCave hey i have a cd case over here and its santa claus

@TranceTrousers 4 года назад

Regarding your 3D printer and the recent video you made about it, all I can say is that I hope you're pleased with yourself! I had no real interest in 3D printing until then but after watching it and reading up on them I was inspired to buy one for myself! It should be dispatched next week and hopefully I'll receive it soon afterwards. Thank you very much :-)

@returnofbeaux 4 года назад

Excellent work, man!

@mattbowd 4 года назад

Enjoyed every episode! Any chance you could share the name of the music track for the end credits?

@FyberOptic 4 года назад

Don't worry about what people are saying. You're not one of these people gutting an NES to turn it into a DVD player, or destroying a C64 to turn it into a "musical instrument." You're making it more playable. That's the whole point.

@MultiYogibear 4 года назад

The Interface unit is known for the audio buzz when RGB modded because of how tightly packed all of the components are

@DaiAtlus79 4 года назад

15:30 Neil, try finding a ferrite ring to put on the amp's RGB output or the audio running to the port you installed. the amplified video signal maybe whats at play and is just aggravated by the cheap cable.

@mrfrog8502 4 года назад

This trick won't work here as ferrite ring doesn't attenuate low frequencies (50 Hz vertical sync).

@cheaterman49 4 года назад

@@mrfrog8502 That's still smart though, I was thinking something along those lines, decoupling caps and whatnot. But my solution doesn't work either because it'll destroy the signal. I hope a better cable will indeed solve the issue! Otherwise there might still be something to do inside the machine, perhaps the mod is affecting the stability of the supply or something (but I doubt it, they didn't seem to cheap out on caps). Or just put an audio jack as Neil said.

@KuraIthys 4 года назад

I had a really bad RGB SCART cable for a PAL snes, and I tried several things. One thing that worked miracles was to just get some wire and solder it between the ground connections on both sides of the cable. I did check the cable and the ground wire was really thin and well below spec. Didn't fix everything (though I think the rest of the problems are caused by the console), but it made a huge difference. Still, without knowing the underlying issue with the cable it's hard to say. The cable I modded this way had far bigger problems than some audio buzz. (really bad video interference, for one.)

@ms.ilovecotton9778 4 года назад

Cant get over how great these restoration projects are

@JaseTheAussie 4 года назад

I love the pleasure you seem to get from saying CD rom rom ❤️

@CommodoreGreg 4 года назад

Is it Taiyo Yuden? Those were the best of the best back in the day... Finally watched to the end. YES!

@Psyklax 4 года назад

I don't think I've ever seen a RU-vidr so gleefully embracing software piracy. It's refreshing!

@RMCRetro 4 года назад

I can confirm I have now purchase every single original title through legitimate channels, officer.

@rickylovesyou 4 года назад

@@RMCRetro 😁

@zero0ryn 4 года назад

I had the exact problem with an RGB Scart cable I bought for my Amiga 500. IT turned out that the cable was overall shielded, but the wires for R G B L R and Sync were not shielded from each other. In my work as a TV engineer I used to come across unshielded scart cables all the time. A simple zero cost fix would be to pull apart one of those VGA cables that you probably have laying about if you didn't just throw it away when you unpacked your monitor. Cut the blue plugs off the end and use it to make up a new cable, there should be enough cables. (R)(G)(B)(Hsync)(Vsync) should be all shielded, I'd use the Hsync and Vsync for audio then run the Csync down one of the DDC wires. You could also change your RGB mod to include the composite video feed instead of the Csync, it will work just as well but means you can use a different cable to give the old skool Comp video + audio.

@nickpavloff8977 4 года назад

What a breath of fresh air- of a video

@InsanePsychoRabbit 3 года назад

In reference to the buzzing: Congratulations! You've turned your PC-Engine into a Vectrex.

@daveb1930 4 года назад

I would absolutely love a lengthy compilation of your raw soldering footage set to the ambient music tracks you use. The ultimate relaxation video!

@EsotericArctos 4 года назад

3D printers really make these sort of repairs so much easier. I am looking forward to getting a 3D printer later in the year. 350c is a good soldering temp usually :)

@Johnnisjohnnis 4 года назад

Last Linja 2... I spent my childhood waiting for the next level to load.

@wrestletube1 4 года назад

The slide in panels you made are perfect other than being white rather than grey there is also plenty of space left on the plastic for even twin Din with HDMI ports connected to that RGB to make it full modern CRT/HD compatible with an RGB output over both ports.

@RichardTroupe 4 года назад

This was a great little series to add to your already excellent library of videos. The PC Engine really is an underrated/lesser-spoken system that deserves more attention as some of the games are genuinely a few of the most enjoyable I have played from the era.

@kanedaku Год назад

Lesser spoken because if you had one, it was a grey import. I used to look at the ads in third party console mags and wanted one, but I was a nipper and it was before pocket money age.

@smartroadbiker 4 года назад

The long mode cables inside had no shielding at all, could they be picking up interference from the PCB they are smooshed up against?

@d2factotum 4 года назад

That's what I was thinking, it seems far more likely you'd be getting cross-contamination among all those long unshielded cables added as part of the mod rather than the external cable.

@RMCRetro 4 года назад

Quite possible, a little wrapping around that to offer some shielding would be a quick and easy thing to try

@famitory 4 года назад

@@RMCRetro I'd recommend picking up some internal guitar wiring cable. it comes with the shield and conductor already arranged in one jacket and is optimized to be flexible and get smooshed around the tight corners inside a guitar body cavity without breaking or shorting, perfect for mods like this.

@richardisaacs567 4 года назад

@@RMCRetro Hi Neil. I have had similar issues when producing music in my laptop and playing the sound through powered speakers. At the musical stores they recommend an active or passive DI Box. Not expensive so worth a try. www.sweetwater.com/insync/di-boxes/

@wishusknight3009 4 года назад

It isn't an issue if the wires internally are separated somewhat. I would suspect some noise is normal from the system anyhow, and his cable is exaggerating it. You can always take some steel netting and separate the internal cables a little with it and ground it. Dont even need to do them all, just the one or both audio cables. And no soldering needed.

@fabiosemino2214 4 года назад

This has turned out super nice, pots on the laser cd is something I've experienced myself years ago on older portable drives or to make them compatible with cd-r, so nice they put them in a reachable space!

@penfold7800 4 года назад

to correct the buzz, try using shielded cable for your internal rgb wires, and put an aluminium plate over the top of your mini signal amp (and check youve not situated it too close to any power wires/tracks.

@otopico 4 года назад

Great work getting one of my favorite consoles up and running. The PC Engine was a great machine, wish it had done better outside of Japan.

@willrobinson7599 4 года назад

Picture quality looked awesome on that Phillips monitor. I had one many years ago with my amiga

@ScruffyLookinRGB 3 года назад

Great work mate love the way it looks on that old pc monitor😲👍

@boatofcar3273 4 года назад

Fantastic work Neil. I’m in awe of your micro soldering skills!

@svensubunitnillson1568 4 года назад

the music on this channel is a good bonus!

@Laserdreamz 4 года назад

I've never had a PC Engine not buzz and I've owned at least one from brand new. Wouldn't worry about it.

@TheKayliedGamerChannel-YouTube 4 года назад

Yep - the 'buzz' seems its a PCE thing even just using an AV Adaptor Module - not a problem on most TV's but on a set that is inherently quiet, when the volume is up the buzz is more noticeable - but part of the charm also :-)

@chongtak 4 года назад

14:45 I had the exact same buz with my PC Engine back in the early 90's.

@RMCRetro 4 года назад

Thanks Chongtak.... happy to hear it's....authentic buzz!

@marcretro 4 года назад

so knowledgeable and informative cheers looking forward to adding a cd rom and interface down the line..

@TimmyJoe633 4 года назад

That buzzing on the sound seems to be a common thing on those Philips monitors, had the same problem on my old one, also my Commodore 1084S monitor does the same and it's got exactly the same moulded back on as that Philips CM8833, so they must have shared the same manufacture.

@me0262 4 года назад

To reduce the buzz you might want to reduce the length of the rat's nest of wires in the case. The longer they run, the more interference they can pick up.

@projectartichoke 4 года назад

I'd try using shielded audio wire, tiny coax, inside the unit to your DIN jack, before replacing the entire cable. Or, you could just disconnect the audio wires from the DIN jack inside the unit to see if the buzz goes away, that would confirm the interference is coming from inside the unit.

@kodoyama 4 года назад

Really nice RBG mod. I've been looking for a non-destructive IFU RGB mod for years and your solution looks fantastic. Hopefully someone might do a run of those plastic side plates - the only improvement would be to match the original colour. Glad to see another person discover this fantastic system, it really is one of the greatest consoles ever made. My all time favourite for sure.

@davethebulb 3 года назад

For anyone getting RFI (interference) when using C51 for 5V & R102 for GND, use the pin next to CSYNC for 5V, & the next pin to that for GND on the IFU expansion port. This fixed the RFI & gave me a crystal clear image. Also using Otaku's RGB amp by the way (very good).

@Robo10q 4 года назад

I really like the 3D printed part instead of drilling a hole in a case. It honors the original hardware and looks better.

@danhoppy5517 4 года назад

Wow! What dedication to the original hardware. I hope Monster Joysticks sends you a white and red PC Engine kit!

@Cassandra_Johnson 4 года назад

Old CD drives were hit and miss with CD-R discs because of how much darker the disks are (and thus the signal comes back too low from the laser) - so nice fix! As for your audio buzz, also consider where inside the case you are running the wires, since they are not shielded inside the dock either. It would have been nice to see you create a JST plug for the audio instead of tagging onto the posts. That would have been an even cleaner mod. Lots of good kits on Amazon for that sort of thing.

@cheaterman49 4 года назад

11:03 Whoa that's crisp! Good job Neil! :-)

@LilyBloomVee 4 года назад

The PC Engine. Oh I enjoyed Blazing Lazers on it back in the days, still do as well. Very nice RGB mod and very nice first 3D print project. That face plate looks very great.

@doujindance 4 года назад

I impressed to fantastic output jack panel made by 3D printed. Reasonable mod.

@Spardin 4 года назад

Nice video Don't let people push you into how you mod your console! Do what you want drill holes and stick ports and switches where ever you want even paint it if you want

@steveclough6794 4 года назад

that RGB mod looks so factory great job

@MrAckers75 3 года назад

The king of consoles

@SuaveCerealKiller 3 года назад

Love these videos...so peaceful

@CODMarioWarfare 4 года назад

That’s definitely interference from a video signal. In the UK, your ground loops would sound like 50hz but that’s a 60hz buzz with a lot of harmonics. It might be inherent to the boards or something.

@abc-ni9uw 4 года назад

Wish you used that gorgeous trinitron CRT

@bufordmaddogtannen 4 года назад

You'll find that unless you can burn CDs with the audio track exactly in the place the pc engine expects it to be, your audio will be late, early or non-existent. Also unshielded cables are a no-go. 😁

@namakudamono 4 года назад

Another great episode. Many thanks Neil! That Philips monitor brings back memories from my A500 days, although I only had a TV unfortunately.

@Izquierda 4 года назад

Really enjoyed this series, and very happy to see you'll get to enjoy such a great system. The audio buzz is definitely from crosstalk. A high quality cable with shielding between the video and audio lines should fix it up for you.

@voffie 4 года назад

Awesome little machine, well done restoring it to full glory!

@beetooex 4 года назад

Bloody superb series Neil. Thanks particularly for the detail on soldering in this episode. That's actually going to be really helpful.

@johnjoyce 4 года назад

TaiyoYuden media is great. Made in Japan, marketed under the brand “That’s” great CD and DVD media.

@rsmith02 4 года назад

Too bad it's gone now. It's all I used to use.

@DaveVelociraptor 4 года назад

I'm no expert on consoles at all. Famously in my mind they're all a Nintendo. I've kind of felt they were anonymous boxes and there wasn't the same enjoyment as there was with microcomputers. However this series has changed my mind a bit. I like the whole infrastructure of it all together in the case with peripherals etc. Thanks Neil, great series!

@Chris-Courage 4 года назад

Should have put the rgb amp in the pc engine itself. The ifu dock creates video interference, especially when running cd games. Using the regular composite signal for sync actually helps to alleviate some of the interference if mounted in the ifu dock compared to using True c-sync. If the rgb amp was in the system itself then true c-sync can be used instead with no interference. A better scart cable will also help with the audio buzz.

@aeiouxs 4 года назад

Such a satisfying video + project Neil, the PC Engine looks so good with its ROM ROM docked alongside - great work and thanks!

@ryanfarmer4882 4 года назад

Thanks Neil, great episode once again.

@fusoya6544 4 года назад

Thanks for doing this. This PC Engine series has been great and I've really enjoyed watching it.

@mikewillis1592 4 года назад

I used to have one of those Phillips monitors, I had trouble giving it away.

@Merlinkatamari 4 года назад

The audio buzz comes most likley from the inside because you didn't use shelded audio cables there as there where in the original output cable

@RetroSegaDev 4 года назад

Fantastic work Neil! I wouldn't even know where to begin with a soldering iron :)

@d2factotum 4 года назад

Well, not holding it by the hot end would be a good start. :-)

@TheKayliedGamerChannel-YouTube 4 года назад

@@d2factotum Yeah, that and plugging it in helps. Yes and its no lie that it is 100% true that is something my boss didn't know ... when he said 'how does this work?' and it wasn't even plugged in.... doh! ;-)

@Ardonyx 4 года назад

Block comments that say "Wanna be friends?" it's a hacker bot. I love your content and I want your channel to remain safe.

@RMCRetro 4 года назад

Already done, thanks for looking out for me!

@daoneTM 4 года назад

A small tip on soldering, use flux.

@TheKumaDono 4 года назад

Awesome! Doubly so as I had that same Phillips monitor for my Acorn Archimedes A3000 for many many years until my brother fried the audio board by plugging a video component lead into the audio socket. Absolutely awesome picture on that monitor!

@Kumimono 4 года назад

That turned up a lot better than mine. White screen, recapped, but seems to be beyond my abilities. For now... :)

@taltechchip5827 4 года назад

Nice video, and I love your monitor❤️ that was exactly the one I had as a child. Good gaming memories!

@RetroTuna 4 года назад

i mentioned before if you tap of from the digital audio you get the loud buzzing you need to tap it from the analog audio i left the audio jacks in and taped of the back of the circuit think it has some extra filtering caps on there, also even with perfect shielding a lot of pc engine game buz on bright screens is the just the hardware and the way the games were programmed take rastan 2 as an example you can patch it to cut the noise down it was something to do with the game code.

@andrestartrek 4 года назад

I like to do a suggestion about the writing speed. I have been burning CD from the time that they are so expensive that it hurt in you stomach if one would fail :P. I have written a lot of CD and DVD but one thing I wil never forget how writing speed will effect the quality of the copy. After years I made a rule: take lowest of the maximum write speed of the burner or the optical media and divide that in half. So wen de burner is 52x and the media is 40x, I take the cd divide it in half so I burn it at 20x. If the burner is 40x and the media is 52x I take the burner speed and burn it at 20x speed. My take on this idea is, both burner and media are having a sweet spot or a optimal working condition. It is not very logical if this is happening at the highest or the lowest speed. But beside that in my experience the middel of the road speed have always been the less problematic copy's. I hope it helps you out. Tried to DM you this trough Discord, but I was blocked :P

@UberNeuman 4 года назад

Always impressive work. Makes me jealous of that PC Engine rig!

@ianhughes5090 4 года назад

Brilliant that's all I can say. Never had a PC Engine if pos Neil if you have time I would not mind seeing a comparison video where we can compare PC Engine games with other systems of the time like Mega Drive or Snes or Neo Geo. I know the PC ENGINE was an 8bit machine but I think it could give the Amiga a run for its money in some games titles like Outrun,Rtype, or even Power Drift, Space Hairrer but no matter what loved to get hold of one thanks for the video I really enjoyed series.

@jabelsjabels 4 года назад

Fusion360 is a lot of fun once you get to grips with it

@dykodesigns 4 года назад

Taiyudo yuden cd-r where always considered to be one of best back in the late 90’s / early 2000’s when computer magazines regularly tested different brands of recordable media. I have that same plexwriter in my old pentium 2 system. Sadly the button to open tray is damaged. The switch still works but the plastic bit in bezel is broken. I always make backup copies of my Mega CD games and burn them on Verbatim media, I’ve good results with them using a modern ASUS BD-rom drive in my modern system. The program I use is Imgburn.

@Neffers_UK 4 года назад

Even playing via emulation, the PC-Engine was an extremely pleasant surprise. The arcade conversions are excellently done with respects to the hardware, and the original titles are well made. Have you got a scope Neil? Maybe check if you have a ripple on your PSU as regards to the hum if the cable / separate audio jacks don't solve the problem. Great vid as always.

@YankeeCherokee 4 года назад

Like others have said, a ferrite choke on the new power wires you added might be the answer. The power wires in that large nest of wires you tucked under there being so close to new and existing components might be causing interference.

@emmettturner9452 4 года назад

MagicTrashman recently make a 3D printed piece to fit a mini-DIN socket into an Interface Unit or Turbo-CD dock. I looked on Thingiverse and saw several others you could have used. Heck, even if they are all for mini-DIN, you could've printed one of those and then drilled it out. Just saying you didn't have to do all that work since it's already been modeled repeatedly and shared openly. :)

@TheKayliedGamerChannel-YouTube 4 года назад

Very well done - nice job. Its probably down to the wiring used in the connection to the rgb amp - and the audio connections. I have made a few of pce rgb amp circuits from scratch on prototyping boards and only a few have not had that background sound 'buzz' like you show. Tbh, sometimes it seems also much worse dependent on which TV you use as some TV's seem to have quieter sound level output and increasing volume also increases buzz. Think its just maybe a PCEngine thing lol.

@frankyboy4409 4 года назад

Haha, that huge Fusion Step pipeline for a simple part ... 100% like my first steps in that thing :D

@LazyBunnyKiera 4 года назад

yeah, gamecubes and dreamcasts are the same way with recordable/rewritable media, sometimes you need to adjust the output power of the laser. Little tiny pots on the lasers to make them work with such medias.

@mickpurcell272 4 года назад

Good work nice setup👍

@thsinger 4 года назад

Plextor CD-R Brunner the good old time, try to find KAO CD-R they was the best back in the time. When I burn single speed with my good old Plextor SCSI CD-R Burner. You know how old you are when you remember single speed burner as state of the art.

@meckatz 4 года назад

Oh man.I can feel your excitement.I used Cds that look like vinyl .such a nice touch. The This system rulezzzz.so happy for you. Get back to me and I can give you some hidd3n gem titles. Enjoy!

@oceania68 4 года назад

great vid and equally great seductive background tunes.. always a pleasure to listen to.

@squeeeb 4 года назад

Wonderful system, love what you did here. Keep it up sir!

@Mrflash222006 4 года назад

I remember the days of beer mat cd’s and drives that couldn’t read the discs, I used verbatim discs way back when (jewel cased boxes of 100)

@khokolixkatic9814 4 года назад

Man i love retro stuff .....i l.o.v.e......i.t........

@thesixth2330 8 месяцев назад

Neil, great work! I am so happy I found your channel, I am hooked! I never thought I'd be interested in seeing the chips, solder, and all the rest. I was strictly a heavy gamer who built his own pc's to save some 'do rae mi' (dough = money). Anyway, I am going to take some classes to learn what all this stuff is, i don't even really know what a capacitors is made from and how it works... Can I ask why the composite output on the PC-engine was no good? I know its not hdmi or even S-Video, but I thought it was decent enough?

@Lurker1979 4 года назад

Some other free CAD software that is also worth checking out is Openscad, FreeCAD and Design Spark

@olik136 4 года назад

I might do that because I HATE fusion... and I don't even get the full version despite giving Autodesk thousands of € every year for other stuff....

@doctorcrankyflaps1724 4 года назад

Been looking forward to this. Cheers.

@chrisamadeus4647 4 года назад

Great video.

@spumed 4 года назад

09:25 to me it looks like 2 of the capacitors on the main board need changing as they look domed. The large cap near the orange plug adaptor and the medium sized cap leaning against the heatsink.

@whompronnie 4 года назад

I believe that is just an optical illusion due to the curved line on all of the caps. In the next shot, you can see it from the top down and it has that exaggerated curve, but looks otherwise un-domed

@Pholiage 4 года назад

I picked up a PC Engine Duo RX. It was listed as faulty. Paid £140 for it. Checked the power supply, had the right values. Flipped the powerswitch aaaaand it was working just fine. Only downside was I didn't get any RX controller with it (they go for about £70+ each). Not sure if I'm going to keep it or not. Getting the controllers is a lot of money imo and they might not even work. Replacement parts isn't something I have found yet like the rubber pads that go under the dpad and buttons.

@SD-tj5dh 4 года назад

I would have used a screened cable and used the screen as the ground throughout. Keeping the signals as isolated from eachother as possible.

@kaitlyn__L 4 года назад

Lots of comments here advising on CD burning software or fixing the audio hum! I can only imagine they rush to write it down before you fix it (by adjusting the CD drive pots, which is becoming a necessity in even PS2s and GameCubes as their laser diodes age), or before you said what things you were going to try to fix the audio. One person is suggesting a power conditioner to fix ground issues even though you said you've eliminated grounding problems in the video! Dearie me. Hope you enjoy your EverDrive, and all your legitimately copied game ROM backups ;) I've seen a modern aftermarket product that replaces the interface unit, has RGB outputs built in, and an SD card slot to load up CDs onto. Keeps the width of the tiny PC Engine base unit. I'm not 100% if you can load up HueCard ROMs from that unit though. Obviously your modification largely accomplishes the same things, though of course the SD card solution has no seek times for the CD images (and is physically smaller than a CD folder!). Was really good to see the use of the 3D printer to just replace the video connection module. I had no idea it would just slide out! Marvellous.

@miikasuominen3845 4 года назад

About the burned CDs, don't have first hand knowledge about PCE, but let's take Jaguar CDs as an example. I haven't got burned images work, until they're burned with Padus Discjuggler... Had to install XP, just to get them working ;) So it may be other things, than the media...

@SparksNZeros 4 года назад

try speaking to Lord Voultar on youtube or twitter about using his RGB board, it's a much much cleaner and tidier install that cuts out a lot of noise.

@davethebulb 4 года назад

Also has better CSYNC too. Very happy with mine. ;-)

@garyhart6421 4 года назад

When did you last buy a CD Wallet: ORDER DATE = Feb 21, 2020 for delivery Wed, 18 March Only a 40 disc wallet = £2

@PierreVonStaines 4 года назад

I’ve not seen an original CM8833 since school, back when my IT teacher failed me in computer studies for losing my course work. The winker. BTW your audio buzz is down to your cable Neilster. 👍

@justaman5418 4 года назад

i remember when this first came out in the uk looked great back then the days when i had my c64 or spectrum 48k lol way out my price range back then now i can just emulate now

@audio01 4 года назад

La música me recuerda a las trasnoches de The Film Zone.

@dr.robotnik7334 4 года назад

Great vid, subbed.

@Lampiono69 6 месяцев назад

Gréât epiode. I restored 2 Interface Units recently. A last one still gets trouble with CDRom2. This one has a laser block with troubles getting to center position and bouncing the black switch near the spindle motor…. Sometimes it works others keeping this forcing noise and impossible to switch on the spindle… 😔