PCGS / NGC coin grading crossover vs. crackout - What is difference & when to use each one 

With every dealer I've dealt with on Morgans, PCGS is far preferred. So i've crossed NGC, ICG, and Anacs to PCGS with varying degrees of success. I've also had success cracking out old green PCGS builders and getting a higher grade. Right now I've got an 1888-s Morgan in 64 that I'm convinced is a 65. Even if it got a 64+ it would be worth it.

Excellent explanation!

Its all the good info you share with us, keep it up.

The true OPC GOAT!

I have never done either, but I enjoy watching you do it! Thanks for all the good information. 👍

I know the NGC and PCGS service, both are excellent for American currencies. Sometimes grid 1 or 2 points up or down. But I confess that foreign currencies are too flawed for authentication. There is a lack of specialized people in this area. I think they should really only classify American currencies. I've seen every encapsulation of Roman coins that make your hair stand on end, there are pieces that you can't tell if they are fake or real due to so much wear. But they simply encapsulate because it is an advantageous market. I am an ANA Member myself, and really in my opinion I don't find it interesting to have a coin sealed in an acrylic box, and I can't touch it and feel the whole story behind the coin in my hands. Coins have always been collected in this way, but suddenly from 3 decades, these firms started to emerge, in fact vision to really profit. I still consider and use the classic way to collect coins.

Thanks this I constructive info. I recently submitted a coin for cross-over. Now I know I have another choice.

Hi Ben. I submitted those 3 coins early Dec. MS64PL MS65 & MS66. NGC didn’t have my coins for more than 24 hours when I saw them being sent back “did not crossover”. Three PCGS coins bought from 3 different sources.. When I contacted NGC the lady rep said “it happens a lot”. 24 hours they looked these over and sent them back. I guess the jokes on me. Before this 90% of my Morgan’s were NGC.

Great video. I'm looking to crossover a coin from PCGS to NGC, I feel NGC is the more reputable of the two when it comes to world coins.

As a former poker pro...I totally agree with your synopsis and the comparison is accurate...and honestly when they know what the other person has already said they're afraid to say what they really think...well said! Where is the best place to look for under-graded coins though? Anyone?

Excellent information. I like NGC’s edge view slabs the best, especially with a Saint double eagle. Hiding the rim letters and stars in my opinion, is a crime. In the case of a 1907 high relief crossover, you have provided me with valuable information. Thank you!

I specialize in Indian cents and my slabbed Indians are about 65% NGC, 25% PCGS, 5% ANACS, and 5% ICG. About 90% of the coins are MS. I think NGC does a better job on uncirculated Indian cents, for what it's worth.

Doesn’t cracking it out skew the rarity of the coin? For example, the same coin could be graded multiple times and impact the total number of grades coins. Thoughts??

Thanks

Congrats!

Great content

Personally, I believe we have placed WAY TOO MUCH confidence in either NGC or PCGS. A coin grader with all numismatic certifications is a coin grader. Why does the market view to top 2 grading services to be king? I believe it is time for an overhaul of the grading system. We need a non partial computer generated grading service. Then and only then do you have a true grade. Thank you for sharing with the community

I had a Gold 2008 W 1/10th ounce Buffalo in a Anacs holder graded MS70. Sent it in too PCGS for a crossover thinking it would be an easier sell. Came back a SP69. Thinking it was more about refusing to agree with the Anacs grade because that would suggest that PCGS was no better than Anacs and under no circumstances could that be allowed to happen.

I've sent crossovers in ANACS & PCI Holders to PCGS. It's hit or miss it seems. Older ANACS MS66 1943 D Lincoln came back in a 67 holder. I sent two newer ANAC Holders with MS67's in on 1957D & 1958D. Both came back as MS66's by PCGS. Win some and you lose some. I do believe that older ANAC Holders do better IMO of getting the higher grade.

I sent a proof seated liberty in a anacs holder to crossover to pcgs and it crossed over at same grade.

Good information. Personally, I would do neither, if I sent it to be certified, just maybe I can't grade lol.

A Crossover coin if acceptable to PCGS includes the Crossover service fee plus a 1 percent "Guarantee Fee!" I haven't checked NGC.

I have a PR68 1955 Roosevelt Dime graded through PCI (DGS). I won it in a lottery and the person who ran it claimed its worth about $100. Idk about that but im not sure if its worth getting regraded through either PCGS or NGC...

I am aware of numerous dealers who will resubmit coins, either to NGC or PCGS, apparently only because the slabs were damaged by being run over by a Fiat 500 automobile in their driveway ! 🥺😳😲🧐 Thanks, Ben !!! 🤓 Ha, ha, ha

Just got an 1854 OCTAG LIBERTY BG-104 G25C MS 64 and I think it’s cleaner and I was wondering if I should send it in?

What about cac stickers doesn't that put the icing on the cake so to speak by increasing the value of the coin no matter what company already has graded it?

Nice video

Crossover is bad poker playing, simple enough. Crossover or Crack Out: you pay your money, and you take your chances! You may win, you may lose, but the TPG ALWAYS wins.

Good info for us newbies

Isn't grading an educated opinion based on ana standards ? So technically the same standards but differing opinions with a company bias ? Values withstanding because obviously they are off brand thirs party graders ,how do segs ,pci, numitrust corporation, nnc , and global add up for grading standards compaired to the main companies and is icg better or worse than anacs? I still need an example of icg

I lost confidence in PCGS years ago. I bought an '08 capped bust half from a well-known dealer. The coin was graded PCGS AU-53. really beautiful with full luster, it was in an older green PCGS holder. At the time, i wanted all my coins out of slabs ,so i cracked it out. I stored it in a safe-flip, so i know nothing would change the look of it. Anyway, a few years latter i decided to re-slab my bust halves. I was shocked when i found out it came back in a body-bag for "questionable color" . At this time i wasnt aware of the game of re-sending the coin until they get it right. So i latter re-sold it back to the dealer raw , at a $700. loss.....

Both companies are too arbitrary in their grading standards to even bother. But good info nonetheless.

Buddy of mine submitted same baseball card to same grading company FOUR (4) different times ~ and got back FOUR (4) different grades. Baseball card & coin grading; not much diff, imho. Both are very subjective.

Advice please! I got a Kennedy half dollar 1979 D MS 68 grade by ANACS in newer holder. Is it worth to get it crossed over to PCGS or NGC? And shall i crack it out instead of cross over service? Thanks for advice. :)

I have a Seated Quarter that was sent into pcgs for crossover , unfortunately it didn't cross. My only dilemma is that it has deep/blue purple toning that I would hate them to QC.

I think the Best bet before submitting to any of them is to send your coins to Wexler, first...the cut out the frustrations of crossovers and reholding?

Don’t if you crack it out, it will show more coins in population than actually are

Everything you said regarding crack-outs and crossovers SCREAMS for a standardized, uniform, system of grading through a sophisticated computer program! Can you imagine the insanity of a world Series game, for example, being decided by the opinions of a half dozen different umpires all with varying agendas and prejudices? Well, that's what we have now. PCGS says the coin is a 70, NGC or ANACS says it is not! One guy says this is an obvious dimple, the other guy says "I don't think so." What a mess! To me my coins are too valuable to be left to the whimsy of some grader who thinks he's better than everyone else. YOU, Mr CoinGeek, and a few others are in a position to be influential in this endeavor. Why not pitch in to get it started? ! Just because the effort has been less than successful in the past does NOT mean we should all just give up and suffer the consequences of unjust grading forever.

I agree with you crack it out then send it into NGC or PCGS do not let them see the grade that it already has

Where is he getting ngc ms64 Morgans for $50 lol sign me up!

Have you read your submission contracts carefully? Do you realize that all three grading companies will black list you if they detect a practice of “grade fishing?” Do you have a business license? Which state? If you are teaching people to commit fraud you are living on borrowed time.