PEGGYS PRAISE OF HER PLURAL MARRIAGE ANCESTORS!With Additiional Passionate Context & Praise From Me! 

@katherineshiver9428 • 4 hours ago If y’all are going to promote plural wives, then maybe build the foundation for it from the Bible and the Book of Mormon, it would be really great to finally see where Heavenly Father institutes plural wives and commands it. I would love to see all the scripture references you know Brother Alexander of it being directed from God. Why sow division when we seriously have more in scriptures about what marriage is - by Christ, and that plural wives is wickedness and an abomination to God? Truth is more important now than ever if we want to build the Kingdom of God with Jesus Christ. What did Jesus Christ, the example in all things, say about marriage???? @davidmalvinalexander • 18 minutes ago Katherine, I don't have to "build the foundation for it" . God did that already. As D & C 1:38 plainly declares, 38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same. This is the most fundamental Distinctive of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, that God's People are led by Him...through Prophets....that when they teach us, as Prophets, their voice is the same as the Voice of Heavenly Father. You have totally thrown this fundamental distinctive in the garbage, being fully convinced that you "know better" than what every Prophet of the Church who together with his counselors and the Quorum of 12....have taught since Joseph Smith instituted polygamy about 190 years ago... Polygamy came in...by Prophetic Revelation..and then in 1890, went out by Prophetic Revelation. You utterly deny that it came in by Prophetic Revelation...claiming it is totally "of the devil". You are not one bit different, in spirit,...than those modern Polygamists, who falsely claim that the early Polygamy "did not go OUT by Prophetic Revelation" and once excommunicated, formed the FLDS back in the 1930's. Both of you...are certain you "know better" than our Prophets and Apostles do. To you, the millions of Saints who have descended from all those Polygamous families...that have been the heart and soul of the Church since its founding....to you, it would have been better if they had never been born, the very existence of their ancestors families, as constituted...was all "of the devil"! Please explain, Katherine....HOW do you maintain a Temple Recommend...without flat-out lying? As for what Jesus said about marriage...this is what He commanded the Jews, regarding Moses and his successors...in Matthew chapter 23: 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do.. And Katherine, God commanded them through Moses...this: Deuteronomy 25:5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. 6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel. This command was in effect, regardless of whether the surviving brother was already married or not; to not obey it, was actually considered shameful sin. This command, was from Heavenly Father, through Moses. To pretend, in the face of this...that plural marriage can NEVER "be of God"...is simply untrue. What our Wonderful Prophets teach us IS TRUE...that monogamy is the norm...but God can and does command otherwise in certain circumstances, and when He commands it through His Prophets, as He did through Moses for a time, and then through Joseph Smtih for a time...it is a righteous thing. The Scripture, Katherine, is the record of God's Revelation to His People through Prophets, and is "of no private interpretation". It is the task of our Prophet and His Apostles to sort this stuff out...you have no authority to come to heretical conclusions based on your own understanding...that contradicts what they teach us. You might as well start your own church, because that is what you are actually doing. 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter, 1;19-21 Much love, David

The subject of Polygamy today is only an entry point to get members to unwittingly cut the thread that ties us to the prophet. If he can do that, he has almost won. If Brigham wasn’t a prophet, then neither was Joseph, and certainly not brother Russell. Many members don’t understand this. Every president from Joseph to Russell are prophets. If the adversary can get you start questioning the prophets… Once the adversary can get us to start pulling verses out of our canon, the end of our faith comes into sight. I have numerous ancestors that were polygamists. The inter generational blessings I have been given from my ancestors is impossible to put into words. Thank you for your testimony!!! Much love brother David!

Even had the command been given only to Brigham and not Joseph, it would not have mattered for the truthfulness of the principle. Brigham was the prophet and held the keys and could command according to the will of the Lord. Proud descendant of plural marriage.

I read a journal entry of a missionary who served in central Virginia in the 1880s. He said that he heard men gloat over the number of children they had fathered and afterwards abandoned them, thus not having to take responsibility for them. And the missionary marveled that the Saints were being castigated for practicing a lifestyle where the vast majority of the men sacrificed tremendously to care for their families.

Thank you so much for this amazing podcast. I come from a polygamy family…. Without them I wouldn’t be here.I can’t even begin to imagine what these stalwart men and women went through for all of us that came after.❤❤❤

As a seminary teacher years ago for the study of History of the Church, D&C, etc., I organized a year-end musical program summarizing our studies. During that year and organizing that program, my love and respect for the young, amazing prophet, Joseph Smith, filled my heart and has not left me since. He sacrificed his young life and family that he dearly loved for the Restoration of the Lord’s true church. “Praise to the Man”! I and my large family are also descended from wonderful, faithful saints who followed the commandment to participate in plural marriages to build up the Kingdom of God on the earth. What blessings we enjoy because of that. I have so many faithful relatives that continue to build the Kingdom. We revere all of our latter-day prophets!

I have such faith in the principle of Plural Marriage. I have received a witness from God Almighty that Plural Marriage can be lived in righteousness. That is what was commanded of Joseph and Brigham and those called of God to participate. I know that Brigham Young served as a Prophet of God. I received this witness directly from God through His Holy Spirit while standing in Brigham’s home in Nauvoo in the summer of 2023. I know he is a prophet of God. I am so so grateful for this faith God has granted me. At 14 years of age my world was rocked when I learned about this ideas. I decided to build upon the faith I already possessed and for 30 years God has granted me line upon line a great love for and faith in this principle.

I am a descendent of those who practiced plural marriage. I also come from a large family from a farming community. I know that it would be an asset for those women to have extra hands to do all the work that was on those farms in that day. Do people realize how much work there was then? Many times those women had to do all the farming, chickens, cows, tilling, weeding, planting, watering, hauling water for drinking and bathing and making sure that the crops got water and didn’t fail. They worked hard! I loved working with my siblings. My da used to say, “Many hands make light work.” And I have come to realize that it did. I love my ancestors and am proud of their faith to follow the Lord’s commandment.

I ❤ my heritage! This was a difficult call to be asked of. It was a calling of faith for sure. I will be eternally grateful to these stalwart people. Because of them, I am who I am.

I am grateful for your testimony and conversation. I needed to be reminded of this principle today. We also have great love for our ancestors who answered this call. So hard, so difficult, but so fruitful. These men and women were the most courageous of all. Thank you once again David for all you do, and Peggy for sharing these stories. 😊

I'm a descendant of five different polygamist families. The stories from these women, my ancestors, were inspiring in many ways. Not everything was wonderful all the time, as it is with every marriage. I'm a benefactor of their faithfulness. My fourth great grandmother, Abigail Sprague Bradford Gardener was a very stalwart member of the church, turning down comfortable worldly opportunities to stay with the saints. She even pulled the canon, old sow, to the Salt Lake Valley with her wagon that was nearly falling apart. Without Archibald Gardner she would have been alone to raise her five children who were still living. She buried one child in Indiana at around the time they joined the church, and her 12 year old son, Granville, and husband, JeHail, within few weeks when they were in Nauvoo. She ended up having two more children with Archibald. She buried her mom at the Winter Quarters cemetery and then buried her father in the Salt Lake cemetery a few months after their arrival in 1847. Reading her story is inspiring and I look forward to the opportunity to meet her.

Thank you for sharing a beautiful story. It touched my heart ❤️

Those who can not withstand a trial such as what Abraham went through, will not be able to withstand the trials that are coming… A great sifting is coming… The power that will descend upon the Saints in these last days…Saints who follow the Prophet as if he were Christ Himself, will be beyond what Christ has performed up to this point on earth… Hold fast to the truth…it is and will be glorious.

Thankyou David for this. l am so thank full to come from a plural Family. First wife had 9 children . His 2nd wife whom was the sister of the 1st wife had 8. 16 children survived. And 40 grandchildren born as the time of writng his letter to his posterity. He did whatever was asked of him because of his love for Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. And l am thankful for his parents who embraced the Gospel of Jesus Christ and gathered with the Saints at Far West. I am proud of my heritage. It sadness me how some fellow saints react when they know of my history.

AMEN. Truth can NOT be destroyed by mere mortals who think they know more than God and the testimony of living Prophets and Apostles on earth. ❤❤❤❤❤

Covenant Plural marriage unfortunately has to many knee jerk reactions without people humbling themselves enough to really pray, consider and think about it and to allow the Lord to teach them. Society has a huge impact on our way of thinking. We live in a fallen world and a very fallen society. Before we were born for time unknown we belonged to Gods society. We lived with our heavenly parents and desired very much to be like them. We understood what kind of life our heavenly parents lived to the point we chose to come to Earth. We need to have a bit more faith in our selves and what we had originally chosen and why we chose to come to Earth. We wanted to enjoy the association that our Heavenly parents enjoyed. Covenant plural marriage is beautiful when we seek to understand Gods understanding and view of it.

I'm the descendant of a polygamous family. His last wife was a woman with 7 children. She joined the church against her the wishes of her husband. When she returned home from her baptism she was greeted with 2 dresses at the front door. He told her take them and go. The children chose to go with her instead of staying with him.

Polygamy always seems to get people so titillated. Soon after I joined the LDS Church in 1982, my mother asked me, "Didn't Joseph Smith introduce polygamy because of lust?" I replied, "There are lots of easier ways to satisfy lust than to take on the responsibility of multiple wives and their children." She said, "Yeah, you're right.", and never brought it up again. I'm still waiting for someone to ask me, "Oh, you're a Mormon, how many wives do you have?" So I can reply, "Two", wait for the awkward pause and then add, "but one of them is deceased." My second wife has had a hard enough time with the deceased first wife being up on a pedestal for 20 years. I can only imagine what a challenge it would be to have two wives living at once. I am sealed to both of them, however. We shall see... A cousin asked, "If a man can have more than one wife (polygamy), why can't a woman have more than one husband (polyandry)?" My answer, though at that point I hadn't thought about it before, was that because a man puts his seed into the woman, with polygamy you always know who the father is. Not so with polyandry. In 1902 Reed Smoot was elected senator from Utah. He was not a polygamist but he was LDS and therefore believed in the principle of polygamy. The Senate held hearings for two years before letting Smoot take his seat. One wag commented, "I guess I'd rather have a polygamist who doesn't polyg that a monogamist who doesn't monog", referring to all those senators with their mistresses standing in judgement of the Mormons. Back in 2008, people were teasing Mitt Romney about polygamy until some wag pointed out that of the top three contenders for the Republican nomination, the only one who hadn't been married more than once was the Mormon.

Polygamy was necessary at that time. It was necessary several times anciently. The prophet knows the will of God.

I am likewise a recipient of a faithful woman who decided to practice plural marriage. It is a hard principle to live and in relation to the difficulty the lord poured out greater signs and revelation.

I haven't listened to this video yet, but I want to respond to some of the comments. I entered the MTC in Provo in 1983. The person conducting the opening meeting asked how many of us were descended from polygamists. More than half of us indicated that we were. I have tried to find statistics about how many in the missionary force from about 1880 to 1980 were descended from polygamists, but I haven't found any. Just from anecdotal evidence though, if your ancestors joined the Church during that time, there was a good chance the missionaries teaching you were the product of plural marriage. In Jacob in The Book of Mormon it clearly states that if the Lord needs to raise up seed to Himself, he may command plural marriage; otherwise, men are to only have one wife. The fulfillment of the commandment to have plural wives served many purposes. I have heard the point made that since we are not currently asked to live this law, we cannot expect to have the same testimony of it that the early Saints did. One of the ways we gain a testimony of a commandment is by living that commandment. A good modern example that we have each probably heard stories about is tithing; people don't believe it until they live it. We need to quit speaking ill of Joseph and the early Saints who lived this law.

The fact that Joseph was seen and called to by Brigham Young when on his deathbed, shows how great and loved Brigham was by the Prophet Joseph Smith. Joseph came to conduct Brigham into the Spirit World. They are kindred spirits and working together I believe in the Spirit World!

Thank you David, I really enjoyed this video. I completely agree with your comments. Plural marriage was very difficult for all those involved, but they sacrificed everything to obey God. I’m so grateful for their sacrifice to build the kingdom of God.

Isaiah 60:22. A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time. The Lord picked the time, and it came to pass! The little small ones are not just Joseph Smith. Every person who practiced polygamy that was nothing in the eyes of the world has fulfilled this prophecy with their posterity!!

Dear Peggy ❤️ could you find MORE of those WONDERFUL statements from the journals and letters of ur dearly beloved ancestors and share them for A T ribute to those wonderful peple who gave up everything to do as the Lord commanded and how it has blessed the beginnings of the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ! And have it ready for Pioneer Day THE 24th of July of 2024!!😂🎉😅!! ..🤸‍♂️😂💥

AMEN. Truth from God is PURE Truth. GOD DOES NOT and CAN NOT lie. He will NEVER ask or tell us something either through past or present Apostles and Prophets. If He did, He would CEASE TO BE GOD!!! ❤❤❤❤❤

You are so right about polygamy i believe. The church would have died without it i believe.

Beautiful Story...Very touching and inspiring History of your family sister..I hope I can find and search my ancestors also...

Thank you so much for your videos on this. I feel seen! I’m so thankful and proud of my polygamist ancestors who sacrificed so much so that I could have the restored gospel of Jesus Christ in my life from day one, within a righteous family and parents that emulate their faith in Christ and discipleship. My family line would not exist had it not been for polygamy and would have died with a barren couple. I would not be here today. I don’t ever want to take for granted the divine gifts and eternal blessings that I now enjoy because of the efforts of my great great grandparents. Sarah Ann Oakey, my great great grandmother was also the last living survivor of the Willie Handcart company. I thank her for her very difficult sacrifice and commitment to her faith, for my life and testimony today. Hooray for the early saints, who by faith and sacrifice practiced polygamy, to jump start a righteous covenant people in order for the early church to survive and flourish! Hooray for the wisdom of Heavenly Father in making this possible! Hooray for Polygamy for creating the 12 tribes of Israel. May I also add, hooray for the end of polygamy and a return to God’s standard of monogamy after polygamy had served its purpose! (I’m so glad I personally don’t have to live it, but the faith and commitment of those who chose to respond to the calling are an inspiration forever.) Hooray for Israel!

I absolutely love your sincere testimony!! Thankyou..There are you- tubers who I have respected that are now criticizing the Prophet for the Jab debalacle..I have stopped listening to them..Not because I believe or trust in the Jab..NO..it's because I support the Prophet..I believe in God's protection if I am doing my 100% best to keep the commandments and doing the will of the Lord..staying on the covenant path...I accepted that Joaeph had to practice Polygamy..I read Emma's biography..She didn't like it one bit..Please people stay on the covenant path..I love you both..Thank-you sincerely Leslie A. Fife

I would suggest that anyone critical of Joseph Smith regarding plural marriage might want to listen to Don Bradley talk about this subject. He was involved in what was probably the most extensive research on the subject.

That was 90 minutes well spent. I learned a lot more than I already knew. I am not a product of polygamy, and have never studied it in depth, I’ve always known it was received ass a commandment. But these stories brought it into a new light. Thanks

Would it be nice if we could have enough love in our hearts to rise above the need to suffer in these last days. I asked President Benson if we were destined to suffer and he said only if we don't repent. Let us urgently repent and chase evil off the earth. Can you bring yourself to that level or do you relish in many words and thus little accomplishment?

Thank you for this faithful discussion! Abrahamic covenant yes, but polygamy also had very real utility in expeditiously establishing a "tight knit" community based on the restored New Testament Church and gospel. Establishing and fortifying yet another start of his "Kingdom on Earth". Once again cleaning up the dilution & pollution that had entered through deception and the passage of time. Among other powerful effects it forced the saints to band together and create a strong, independent society aka "kingdom". 🕊️

Some of these people are stretching standard English to consciously or subconsciously wrest or twist the meaning of Jacob 2:27-30

One of my great grandfathers, Ormus Ephraim Bates, practiced polygamy with 7 wives - I'm descended through his first wife.

Great episode David !!

It is so clear, when the lord commands it to raise up seed or for whatever purpose to test our faith maybe, tt will be done through a prophet. OTHERWISE as in the case of Jacob 2 he condems it. Just like in the case of the Lord commanding Nephi to kill Labin it was justified. In Mormon,s abridgement of the Book of Mormon he stated that the writings of the brother of Jared were so powerful that it would be impossible for a man not to read and he was about to write it but the Lord forbade it saying I will try the faith of my people. The gospel is not perfect it is however the way God wants it. It is impossible for me not to know the church is not true with my love of the authors of the book of Mormon. Plural marraige was instituted and taken away and reinstituted and taken away by God through revelation given by Prophets. You can't deny that and still claim to believe the Church is true unless you don't believe President Russell Nelson is a Prophet. I bear witness he is.

Ether 12: 27 "...Then will I make weak things become strong unto them." and 2 Corinthians 12: 9 "... For my strength is made perfect in weakness..." God is using your weaknesses to build his kingdom. They speak against and condemn marrying more than one wife at a time, while they themselves have no problem having intimate relationships with more than one partner at the same time, and sometimes simultaneously, outside of marriage, basically practicing extramarital polygamy. We were told in 1 Timothy 4: 1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils." Those who deny polygamy are fulfilling this prophecy, and it's not the kind of prophecy anyone should want to fulfill, for it only leads to their pain and suffering.

The reason there is so much opposition on this subject is to tear the church apart. How can this be accomplished? One way, that i can see, and that is that plural marriage is instituted again. I don't know when, or even how, because of the laws of the land, and etc. But even years ago studying Isaiah 3, i began to see the parelelles beween the prophecy and the things happening in society and what was popular and trending. I got in trouble in sunday school class for suggesting that the passage stating, " walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet" might have to do with high heels, because they create shorter steps and noise with each step. ( mincing is taking short quick steps). All i was trying to point out was that some of those things prophesied about were becoming visible. How many people were wearing nose jewels 20 years ago? Or the materialism we see nowadays? What do we have now? Wars and rumors of wars. Tremendus loss of life, pandemics, threats of economic collapse and the treat of ww3 and Israel being encompased about by her enemies. Nay say if you will or must. this is just the way i see it. Just did not see the oposition comming from within the church. But the far left is attempting to destroy the devine founding of this nation by destroying the founders. By the same method you can destroy the church by destroying the succession of the prophets by destroying the prophet Brigham Young. But see, you hve to go farther, because you must do that all the way to Wilford Woodruf. Who, if i am not mistaken, spent time in prison for cohabitation. Cohabitation, that was the law enforced. Kind of ironic, isint it? So many people do that today. It is interesting that when the the poligamy case went to the supreme court a couple of years or so ago. It was turned back to the state because aparently there was no federal law. Makes me wonder when it was repealed???

I have been a lifelong member and love your videos. The reason I am siding now with polygamy deniers is the extensive lengths Joseph Smith went through to condemn polygamy. Joseph never endorsed it and took several people to court who accused him of it. And Hyrum Smith (who was co president of the church)said a devil would teach such a doctrine. If you can show Joseph ever gave his approval, I will switch sides, but how can I side against Joseph and the Book of Mormon. This being said I believe the lord blessed the saint for their sacrifice and we are in debt to the pioneers of the restoration.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GaqONUC4qtU.html This video is about a person in a modern polygamist family. She ended up meeting with Elder James E. Faust for permission to get baptized. I love what he told her.

Be kind in your evaluation of those who struggle to have faith in polygamy and other things the early saints chose to do to follow the Lord. I have a testimony they were following God. But remember there was a time when you knew these mormons were in error despite your sincere desire to follow the Lord. The wheat and tares must grow together because some of those that look like tares will turn out to be wheat.