"Elder scrolls lore is interpretive" a truer statement has never been said considering dragon breaks, the in-universe answer to multiple endings in a game.
It's like when the person who's first place on the leaderboard is so far beyond the second place one that you start to question just how someone could be that good at something.
Fun Fact: Pelinal is honored in Skyrim as an honorary Stormcloak. The Blades also saw him as the inspirational turning point in their fight against Thalmor. *F%CK THE THALMOR!*
@@indrickboreale7381 Yeah, you know that the Ayleids deserved it when their last surviving member admits that they actually did earn that butchering. Not making this up, that actually happens. In ESO admittedly, but that game isn't non-canon.
Should be noted that Pelinal Whitestrake's equipment were supposedly "the Crusader's Relics". You can get those in Oblivion. And they're impossible to wear if your infamy (which is the game's measure of how good or evil a character is) is bellow -1. In which case the game will tell you: "Your crimes have made you unfit to wield the Crusader's Relics. Walk the Pilgrim's Way to repent of your sins and once again seek the favor of the gods." Which seems to suggest that for all the butchering Pelinal did, he never actually did anything wrong.
Or, more likely, Bethesda doesn't know their own established lore, and every game that gets released has something in it that's added with zero thought or care.
@@RichterTheRatThe in-game lore is told to us through in-universe unreliable narrators. Just because one book or person says something, does not mean it is be-all end-all fact of the matter at hand. The people in-universe have their own agendas and biases completely independant from bullet-point lists of facts and exposition for us to read
@@OHGAS-rt5uc I cannot comment on the whims of a god, but she basically took some wood elves, turned them into cat girls and then dumped them into a desert.
The fact that Pelinal came back to the merithic era in plate armor is like someone in Skyrim showing up wearing Advanced Power Armor from Fallout wielding a plasma rifle.
@@Spino-hx2mr imagine your tribe just learning to make studded leather armor with small bits of iron you found sifting through the soil and a fucking knight shows up and is damn near impenetrable to the majority of your weapons
But thought the way the elder scrolls universe worked was that each era regressed as opposed to progressing in technology. Hence travel to the moons in the 1st era
@@vince-zm8ds hate to "achshully" you but studded leather isn't a thing, someone saw brigandine and not knowing what they were looking at called it studded leather and the mistake has been perpetuated ever since. brigandine is metal strips a few inches wide attached to the inside of a cloth or leather jacket. the plates each overlap the next to make quite flexible armor with protection nearing that of a solid breastplate. brig is actually contemporary with the complex full plate harness we all know, even to the point some nobles chose to wear brigandine with the rest of their plate armor instead of a breastplate.
@@astuteanansi4935A fantasy doom-like elder scrolls game with Pelinal fighting elves and different types of Daedra, undead. All that would be a great spinoff game if it sticks to what we know with the lore. The glory kills would be perfect!
Considering there's a non-zero chance that all the player characters from the Elder Scrolls are Shezarrines, I would argue there's a good chance Pelinal is in that same camp lol
I like to imagine he'd stand perfectly still for a little bit, before beginning to vibrate as DOOM music began to emit from his very being, before beelining for the Summerset Isles.
My Dragonborn would fanboy over Pelinal and if Pelinal goes to the Sumerset Isle for another round of Elven genocide he'd scream "WAIT! TAKE ME WITH YOU!"
The fact that people theorize Pelinal was actually a time traveling cyborg from the future because of a few weirdly-worded lines of a description of him is the perfect encapsulation of the rabbit hole that is Elder Scrolls lore
Elder Scrolls Lore is exactly how not to write lore and it's so damn fun. I love it, but I view it as parody practically, which when you consider the tone of games like Oblivion and Morrowind, it makes complete sense. I just wish we would get a game of Morrowind and Oblivion's stature, but with modern combat mechanics, and all the funny hijinks. I see no reason not to make this game. They have wasted so much time on horrible games that haven't even made them that much money and it's been 13 years and counting since we got an ES game.
@@drlca6601even oblivion was an utter mess, it's where the stupid ass "unreliable narrator" thing comes from because Bethesda didn't use design documents and fucked up the lore in way too many ways to the point that it was obviously bad. Morrowind lore was interesting and wild but not stupidly inconsistent
@@Jiub_SNMorrowind felt like you were learning the Gospel of an Alien Religion, Oblivion was written like they had an essay on "the hero's journey" open in another tab the entire time
same lmao someone shouts that name and literally everyone including allies on the battlefield pauses for a few seconds and someone goes "Who dafuq is that?! Wha?"
There's an easy way to explain how Pelinal knew Reman's name. The Divines blessed him with schizophrenia so strong he could see glimpses of the future. Naturally one of those visions was Hrol humping a hillock.
I don't know if he had his "like when a dream no longer needs its dreamer" moments by the time that happened, but that could literally be what's happening, he gets so pissed off his body goes killing and his mind has like an out of body divine experience or some shit
Pelinal standing on a colossal hill made of the corpses of every single remaining elf in his time. "Well. There's only one thing to do now that I've driven the elves to extinction." Opens a time portal "Try to do it faster this time."
I like to think that the game timeline is the only one he didn't manage to purge. And he is trying to get back into the world but all the elf gods from all the other timelines are running defense. Because he is just that much of a hater that even one timeline of knife ears is to many. Half of the scrolls are probably just ways he has dealt with elves.
It’s amazing that in elder scrolls, the invention of writing was created to pass down the best ways to kill elves by yisgramor who then went on to make an elf killing axe out of pure distilled racism
Gotta love how the origin of Tamriel itself is literally just a product of racism creating more racism. Racist snow elves genocided the first human Atmorans over a ball, causing the sole survivor to become so racist out of hatred that he shed tears of crystallized racism that he forged into a racist axe to then enact racism-fueled revenge against those elf racist, creating a culture of racism that lasts to this very day.
This statement takes on a somewhat amusing level of accuracy when you think of Pelinal as an incarnation of Lorkhan, he made the world for humanity, the races of Mer, especially Daedra worshiping Mer, have no place in his design, at least not as mankind’s masters. He might have very well seen them as invasive pest infesting the world he made.
Well, he has a point. When you look at it, almost all world catastrophes are created by elves. The oblivion crysis, mannimarco, the enslavement of humans, now the thalmor and their slaughter of Talos-worshippers .... and many more i forgot to mention ... i kind of understand why humans hate the elves.
Wait a second .... Elven-Ass name, Advanced Technology, Plate armor, Capable of unspeakable cruelty against elves, Probably some time/space fuckery, Hates gods with passion, That....thats a Dwemer, you're describing a Dwemer.
you know what? With Kagrenac had some relation with heart of Lorkhan this is within realm of possibility heck, it's Elder Scrolls, it is canon, if it's not, call it dragonbreak, idc
That even covers the armour and the potential of him literally being a living automaton. And the dislike of the gods. Fuck me, he might have been a Dwemer.
@@DV-xu7pswhat else are you gonna call it, the axe deals bonus damage to elves for no tangible reason. It's not magical, it's just fueled by the power of racism and possibly the very concept of genocide.
"Oh boy, this one sure enjoys being a Khajiit living peacefully in 1st Era Tamriel 🐱." "Hmm, who is this white-clad yet red-stained stranger rapidly approaching our village?"
@@rokva5771 of course not, there was still a slight chance that they might have simply been very mutated elves. They’re lucky he didn’t kill them all just to be sure
I always liked how Whitestrake was essentially the protagonist from another Elder Scrolls game that was never made. Sure that game was more like Doom, but still.
It can happen. The end of Nirn. The Kalpa ending. The Thalmor trying to influence the natural order. A great cleansing is needed. Activate...the Crusader. "RIP AND TEAR UNTIL THE ELVES ARE DEAD! REEEEEMAAAAAAAN!!!"
My favourite explanation for him is that Pelinal is the player character for an elder scrolls game we haven't yet gotten to play. He was even using mods to turn him into a cyborg in a fantasy game!
There's actually one detail in the Song of Pelinal that looks kinda like a game mechanic of modern TES accessible for players. I like to imagine that "when he sensed the Akatosh was watching him he watched him back" is *exactly* what happens when we are skipping time by waiting in skyrim, because Pelinal was said to appear just standing still with head turned up into the sky, and when we wait in skyrim we kinda looks the same, just a man standing still and watching into the eyes of time itself.
Random scribe writing about Pelinal: "So how does it feel to take a life of another sentient being?" Pelinal "Only good elf is a dead elf" Whitestrake: "Don't know, I've only killed elves."
you forgot to mention that in his rage of his lover being killed Pelinal swung his sword so hard it knocked Nirn slightly off of its axis and made the year two weeks shorter
The dummy Pelinal he quickly created out of straw, discarded armor bits, and elf chunks collapses. Pelinal didn't care enough to stay and hear their whole arguments, he was in the same hemisphere as an elf after all, and had better things to do.
@@martongergely757 nah, that's just a joke I'm making. He did listen, but he thought planning out the attack was cowardly, so he went in on his own when everyone was asleep (maybe, he didn't really hide his goal to go in, but his dying scream did wake everyone up, so they were asleep) and just slaughtered his way to Umaril.
@@kieranwalsh2058 It's not like they're all bad though, the various races of mer in the Elder Scrolls helped defeat many daedric or other invasions and contributed immensely to the culture and society of Tamriel.
I honestly sat here and thought about the history of literally every race of Mer in the Elder Scrolls, thinking surely there was at least _one_ that didn't directly fuck over Mankind as a whole in some way. Nope. They all did. Literally every single one. Perhaps not physically on a literal basis between an Elf and a Human standing a few feet apart, but there has been at least a single instance among every Elven race where something they did with full intention of doing in turn was either definitely catastrophic or potentially catastrophic for Humanity as a whole. _Even the Redguards_ , who aren't even technically from the same "universe" were fucked over by Multiverse Elves. I often wondered precisely how Pelinal Whitestrake could have such unrelenting, merciless, absolute hatred with extreme prejudice towards Elves - until I finally digested enough lore over a decade and realized that Pelinal was not only absolutely right and justified...he unfortunately didn't and _couldn't_ do enough.
Thats interesting. Whitestrake reminds me a great deal of talion from shadow of mordor and shadow of war. Trying to genocide the evil race out of the world, but being unable to do so
@@acceptablecasualty5319 The Chimer allied with Falmer who were retreating from Atmoran advances during their crusade in revenge for the Night of Tears at Saarthal. It was a purely self-serving alliance meant to keep the Atmorans from reaching deeper into Morrowind than just the disputed northwest, but they still went right ahead and joined the enemy of the humans despite not having a stake in that war.
@@acceptablecasualty5319 Also the Morag Tong, who at the time were _only Dunmer,_ still assassinated the Emperor of Cyrodiil which allowed the Akaviri Potentate to rule. So both iterations of their race, Chimer and Dunmer, fucked humanity over.
@@PelinalWhitestrake36 you are the truest hero the redguards the Nords and if we can get the Imperials you need to lead them to a glorious crusade brother.
Praise be to Pelinal! The Star Made Knight! The Divine Crusader! He whose right hand carried a mighty sword that he may strike down the Ayleid slave lords where they stand! He whose left hand carried a great mace that he may collapse their white gold towers soaked in human blood and leave them as not but rubble! He who carried a killing light that burns away all Daedric corruption! He who worse the armor of gods that he might protect us from the wrath of the elven flesh tyrants! He whose chest was a gaping hole for his love for us was so great he could make no room for anything else! Praise to Pelinal! Bane of the elves! Champion of Mankind!
"Star Made Knight" is likely a reference to the in-universe book "Where were you when the dragon broke?" which traces the history of Dragon Breaks. One account during one of the very first Breaks claims that the 8 stars that represented the 8 Divines (Talos was not there yet) were seen falling from the sky. Since a Dragon Break is defined as whenever time in the Elder Scrolls becomes non-linear, Pelinal's name in Elvish likely refers to his origins being from the future. It could also be a reference to his somewhat divine nature as a Shezzarine. Regardless, it is cool because in cultural context his name literally means Time Travelling Knight.
Plus the whole firmament LSD snuff going on at the interstice of the spheres. The 'moons' of Nirn are only the most obvious weirdness that can be seen in the sky. The interstice between Mundus and the mindfuck beyond is thin indeed.
I always interpreted the line of “A dream that no longer needs its dreamer” in reference to the entirety of the elderscrolls universe being a dream of the god head, and pelinal being part of that dream. When pelinal enters his madness state, he literally exist outside of the godhead but can still interact with it, like he, the dream, does not need the dreamer, the god head, to exist.
That is exactly what it feels like to PTSD freak out, you're just watching behind your own eyes what could be a dream or reality, sometimes it's even past events. That line hit me hard and put into words what I couldn't.
Exactly what happened. Hos rage manifested as a will so powerful it was able to wrest control of reality away from the godhead, with only the divines being able to put him back in the dream.
"do you hate elves" this reminds me of a possible quote from an orc in LotR shadow of Mordor. "now, Why would a gondorian come here and try to murder ALL, the orcs. maybe you have a problem with one orc, maybe a hundred! but a-all~ of us? maybe the problem is with you." I felt VERY called out by the orc and stopped playing for the day after that one.
@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen I like to imagine that orc followed around Talion in a weird attempt to befriend him and show him that not all orcs should be killed...but was so uncharismatic that he accidentally pissed Talion off enough to decide that he did indeed want to kill all orcs.
I only like a few kind of elves. The ones in the Zelda series (yes I know they're called humans and are basically humans but with pointy ears but I don't care. They are elves!) And the ones from Middle Earth
Yes. Why would talion hate a race that exist purly to kill and torture his people. Also that orc suffering many shamings. Gotta set examples to my troops what happends if you cross me.
So Pelinal is from lore created by Michael Kirkbride ? That explains why his lore is such a trip, that level of confusingly fascinating lore is his signature style.
Yep it's also not completely clear there is a totally potential idea that alot of pelinals lore is propaganda like him calling the name reman the book we find that in was suspiciously made in the second era and could have just have been a historic revision to validate reman to be emperor. Same as the cyborg from the future.
Here's a wild idea... Ysgramor gets a vision of the future. He sess Pelinal doing his thing. Ysgramor becomes Pelinal's first fanboy, and thus kicks off the long and proud history of Merstinction.
According to legend Pelinal had been wandering Tamriel for centuries, founding kingdoms, ruling them for a time, then leaving presumably when all the Elves were dead or in hiding. I don't buy that he conquered ALL of Tamriel piecemeal since the Altmer and Bosmer wouldn't have left (and the Chimer didn't have the Tribunal yet so probably would have been willing to up sticks if it really came down to it) so he would have stuck around till they were all dead, but he probably had a hand in any area that wasn't ruled by Elves.
It’s also hinted at that he jumps thru time so one version of him might be older but he’s actually much younger timeline wise. He’s like the vestige with his ability to jump points in time but with much less of a restriction on how far back or forward he can go (vestige is restricted to only the three banners war). Also you can actually remember him so that’s a plus for pelinel as well
Fun fact, 7:00, there was a general/warrior irl that did this in every battle he had against the Persians. He'd challenge the Persian general to a duel before the battle, kill him, and then wipe out the Persians with his army. He also did the same to the Eastern Roman empire many times. Ironically, that part is realistic. Plus not accepting the duel would end up causing the Elves to lose faith in their general.
7:10 I always figured the Reman Cyrodiil thing indicated some kind of stable time loop. Whitestrake went back because he (or whoever sent him back) knew from the historical record that Whitestrake had been someone from the future and would have to be sent back.
Remember Aedric Ayleids openly sided with the human rebellion. Their aid was critical in securing victory. Of course when the Alessian Order came around these elves were prosecuted and their settlements sacked. It reached to the point that any surviving Ayleids were driven out but not in enough numbers and the Ayleids would soon become extinct.
Except for those that fled towards argonia and valenwood. Also during the 3rd Era it is believed that there were some wild elves left in northeastern cyrodiil
@Just_Addd_Water_to_your_ramen those that left were not enough to maintain their culture. The Alessian Order are still responsible for the extinction of Ayleids
If i remember correctly, there was a bit about the Amulet of Kings strapped to his chest emmiting something akin to "the screams of a mad dragon" which might or might not be tonal magic associated with Akatosh.
deities in TES, particularly Lorkhan, do tend to be associated with potent tonal energies. it was the Lorkhan's heart, after all, that Kagrenac used to un-exist the Dwemer. since Pelinal is so closely associated with Lorkhan and Akatosh, who, as we all know, is the father of the Thu'um-wielding dragons, it's clear why Pelinal was able to accomplish such reality-bending feats.
With Pelinal being a time traveling super cyborg, you missed an "I have no mouth and I must scream" reference chance. Something to the effect of: "There are seven-million-million-million particles in the body of a man. If the word "hate" was inscribed on every single one of them, it would not even represent one one millionth of one millionth of a percent of the hate Pelinal Whitestrake felt for the elves."
My favorite theory about pelinal is that he's actually a shard of akatosh but one thats been fused with a bit of lorkhan. During the end of the alessian empire a group called the marukhati selective somehow "broke" akatosh to get rid of his elven features (since he was originally the god king of the elves) in order to make him more pro-human. By removing the elven parts of him they essentially drove akatosh "mad" and created a bunch of different identities for the deity. One shard that broke off may have be pelinal which explains why he's Morihaus' uncle, akatosh being a peer of kynareth, how he knew who Reman was because he has a non-linear concept of time and why he hated being called a shezzarine since lorkhan is still the mortal enemy of akatosh. Just thought I'd throw that theory in there since I'm not the biggest fan of the cyborg one.
This theory slaps, I always found the cyborg theory to be kinda weak and unimaginative. Like people will talk about his advanced armor, flaming hands, and not having a heart, but we know he's divine so why should he have to play by human biology and the normal rules of magic.
"he hated being called a shezzarine since lorkhan is still the mortal enemy of akatosh" This statement seems contradictory to what is written in the Songs of Pelinal. I would take into consideration the following quotes: "[And after] the first Pogrom, which consolidated the northern holdings for the men-of-'kreath, he stood with white hair gone brown with elfblood at the Bridge of Heldon, where Perrif's falconers had sent for the Nords, and they, looking at him, said that Shor had returned, but he spat at their feet for profaning that name"; "[And it is] said that he emerged into the world like a Padomaic, that is, borne by Sithis and all the forces of change therein. Still others, like Fifd of New Teed, say that beneath the Pelinal's star-armor was a chest that gaped open to show no heart, only a red rage shaped diamond-fashion, singing like a mindless dragon, and that this was proof that he was a myth-echo, and that where he trod were shapes of the first urging. Pelinal cared for none of this and killed any who would speak god-logic, except for fair Perrif, who he said, "enacts, rather than talks, as language without exertion is dead witness." When those soldiers who heard him say this stared blankly, he laughed and swung his sword, running into the rain of Kyne to slaughter their Ayleid captives, screaming, "O Aka, for our shared madness I do this! I watch you watching me watching back! Umaril dares call us out, for that is how we made him!"; "It is famous, though, that the two talked of each other as family, with Morihaus as the lesser, and that Pelinal loved him and called him nephew, but these could be merely the fancies of immortals." Those indicate to me the following things: - He has reverence or at the very least respect for Shor/Shezarr/Lorkhan ("he spat at their feet for profaning that name") - He doesn't like being compared to divinity or any talk concerning his nature because "language without exertion is dead witness". I am still unsure how I should interpret this. - He is Morihaus' cousin therefore Kyne's brother - He has connections to both Lorkhan and Akatosh: "he emerged into the world like a Padomaic, that is, borne by Sithis and all the forces of change therein" (connection to Lorkhan) and "a chest that gaped open to show no heart, only a red rage shaped diamond-fashion, singing like a mindless dragon, and that this was proof that he was a myth-echo... O Aka, for our shared madness I do this... for that is how we made him!" (connection to Akatosh or the Aka oversoul). I am of the opinion that Akatosh and Lorkhan are connected in their being (an expression that I have seen often used to compare them is "two sides of the same coin") and this dual nature can be seen at multiple points in the lore: the Last Dragonborn, the Amulet of Kings (which is both Lorkhan's heart blood and the physical manifestation of Alessia's covenant with Akatosh, or possibly both of their blood with Lorkhan's first and then Akatosh's which fused with it), and even Nirn itself which embodies both stasis and change (their two natures), the Arena and anchor point at the centre for all of creation just as White-Gold is to the Wheel which surrounds it, with its eight spokes as the Aedra and sixteen voids between them as the Daedra. As a sidenote, eight is a number that recurs a lot in the lore: the eight Divines plus the Missing Sibling, the eight towers of Creation and of the spokes of the Wheel, the eight islands of the Imperial City, the eight time eight Exarchs at Convention, the eight components of the Staff of Towers used by the Marukhati Selective when they started the Middle Dawn and broke Akatosh, Pelinal cut into eight pieces. So basically I would say that Pelinal hates being called a Shezzarine not because Lorkhan is the mortal enemy of Akatosh but because he hates god-logic in general and that he is both a Shezzarine and also a brother to Akatosh who along with Auri-El, Alduin, Alkosh and others constitute the Aka oversoul (kind of like how Hjalti Early-Beard, Ysmir Wulfharth and Zurin Arctus form the Talos oversoul but much more complicated). There is also the following comment from a thread which I find really interesting: "Guys, I just realized something. Lorkhan and Akatosh are like oppesites, Akatosh being birthed from Anui-el and Anui-el being Birthed from Anu. Lorkhan was birthed by Sithis, who was birthed by Padomay. So, Akatosh and Lorkhan are like opposites, eternal enemies, but, events in history show that somehow they worked together at some points in history. One examaple is when Pelinal Whitestrake, a Shezzarine, cooperated with Alessia, a dragonborn blessedby Akatosh.There is also Wulfharth, who is said to be BOTH SHEZZARINE AND DRAGONBORN (btw wulfharth is baddas) Akatosh was "created" by slapping Auriel and Shor together during the first era. Eagle and snake make dragon. Talos was both Shezzarine and Dragonborn. The Last Dragonborn is both Shezzarine and Dragonborn. There are several instances of this. Because being Dragonborn is very similar to being Shezzarine. Akatosh is a very Man aligned deity for being a mer one don't you think? Well that's because Auriel is the mer time god, not Akatosh. Akatosh is the god of spacetime. Lorkhan (space) and Aka (time). Nice , Mer relish perfect order , Man relishes change ( thriil of conquest etc..) ANU/PADAMAY Ages of interbreeding & close habitation have muddled the origins of the Divines . The closer you get to the Dawn era the more specific the gods seem to be ( probably being the most in "preliterate" tribes.) I'm curious about what the Akiviri take on all of this is." This seems to align with Kirkbride's comments on the nature of the Ada as metaphysical concepts and laws of nature rather than individuals in the mortal sense. PS: This comment was initially meant to respond only to the "he hated being called a shezzarine since lorkhan is still the mortal enemy of akatosh" statement so apologies for making it so long and going on tangents :)
I imagine their first meeting goes something like: Pelinal comes into the throne room covered in the elf blood of half a province and Alessia basically creams herself on the spot.
Fun fact: the Deathwatch were originally one of the missing Space Marine legions with their own geneseed. However when the 2nd and 11th Primarchs "went missing" the Deathwatch was remade into what it is in modern 40K. However, the missing Primarch and his chapter had left a psychic echo with the modern Deathwatch (much like the Black Rage with the Blood Angels), influencing their actions. The missing Primarch in question is actually *Pelinal Whitestrake,* for only he hates Eldar and all other knife-ears enough to be able to leave behind a psychic echo of pure, unremitting racism that invariably turns those in the Deathwatch into a fraction of the anti-Eldar racist that he was. Said echo was so racist that it managed to mutate over time to include all other Xenos as well. Some say it might even be developing into a minor Warp entity it's that racist.
Pelinal Whitestrake: "There are one hundred thousand swords in Tamriel, if the word hate was carved into each nanometer of that one hundred thousand swords, it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for elvenkind in this single microsecond! HATE! HATE!" Random dude: ".....you need to chill down, man." Edit: spelling
Interestingly, khajiit are actually considered more elven (thanks to azura) then the bosmer as the wood elves are formed from primordial ooze and merely take the appearance of elves but aren't descendants of the elnofey, thus Pelinal wasn't exactly mistaken about the cat people...
I feel like, in another world, Pelinal and the Khajiit could have been friends. Just imagine him and some Khajiit kicking back some beers and Moon Sugar, as he hears about how the Khajiit have infiltrated and been puppeteering a society of elves for thousands of years because one of their trippy sub-breeds looks like a Wood Elf but is better in basically every single way, and they just play with Bosmer lives as a game between cats now.
New crackpot theory: Azura created the Khajiit in an attempt to make a race that wouldn't spurn her love after the Chimer turned their back on her and incurred her wrath which turned them into Dunmer.
Lorkhaj is a noisy thief who stole Merrunz's yarnball. Nirn is that yarnball. Nirn is literally Merrunz's by right, but Greedy Alkosh does not appreciate this. He does not understand why Merrunz wants their yarnball. Alkosh is a meanie.@@serenapopowich8084
I thought the primordial ooze thing was just their own creation belief, not what actually happened (as in I think they are still descendants of the Aldmer)
My favorite bit of TES lore is that there used to be way more gods, but after Mundus was created, they all thought that shit was lame so they up and left, tearing holes in reality on their way out and creating stars
Coupling this video with "PELINAL (ANIMATED OPERA)" by allinall is a fantastic experience. I'm making an elf-slayer character in skyrim as I type this.
@@anadaere6861 I'm sorry for butting in out of nowhere, but one of my biggest pet peeves is Achilles being assumed to have been gay. The ONLY historical evidence we have that is even remotely close is that Achilles cried when Patroclus (his childhood friend) died. I don't know about you, but if a close friend that I wasn't romantically interested in died I would still cry for them. Once again I apologize but I really hate this particular historical inaccuracy with a passion
Sidenote about the Khajiit thing, There's a type of Khajiit who look VERY similar to Mer (these were the ones we saw in Arena and Daggerfall) so that's probably what he bumped into.
TES V proves this as fact. We wondered back in TES IV is Pelinal went too far. Years later we realized that he didn't go far enough, though not for lack of trying.
The guy who single handedly would have lost Alessia the support of the Divines out of disgust at his actions if she didn't constantly beg for their forgiveness
My thoughts on Pelinal's whole dream with the dreamer thing is that it refers to him (potentially Lorkan, the embodiment of Nirn) who once dreamed Nirn and Tamriel into existance no longer having command of it, and that his rage is a similar loss of control.
Odd to think of the Elves who sided with Allesia, having to march and fight alongside Nedes and Nords led by Pelinal. Imagine Allesia having to physically stand between an Ayleid general or king and Pelinal every time they have a war council, just to ensure there's less bloodshed and slaughter of allied or friendly Ayleid Elves? Literally a fine line that she must've walked at every moment. *Also, quick discussion starter;* Imagine a battle between Pelinal and the Snow Prince? I feel that, of all the Elven warriors we've seen in the Lore, the Snow Prince is the only Mer who'd be able to stand toe to toe with the Star-made Knight and actually have a shot at winning. Perhaps to make it fair, give the Snow Prince a spear tip made of Valiance, and that should be enough for an even battle..
While The Snow Prince is definitely a mighty figure, being an elf, he stands no chance against Pelinal. The Snow Prince doesn't have any combat feats that compare to Pelinal's feats. I am coming from the point of view that you're talking about a 1v1 duel between them. Now, if the Snow Prince had an army and Pelinal is alone, we would have an outcome similar to the match between Umaril and Pelinal.
@@shalidor8102 Perhaps... would be better to as "if we remove the near unending Plot Armor from Pelinal", how does he compare? But that would be an endless discussion 😅 I mean, you make a fair point, though the Snow Prince's feats we know of are impressive, we only have the one battle to go off of, sadly. Granted, he was said to have slain the mightiest of the Nordic warriors, the few Heroes amongst them. Which I would assume is the Snow Prince's closest comparison of Pelinal's slaying of the Ayleid Sorcerer-Kings That said, given how much gloating Umaril boasted, only to have his behind beat not long after, I'm willing to bet the Snow Prince would give Pelinal a far better run for his money. Though, I wonder if the Nedes would bury the Snow Prince with the same honors that the Nords gave him, or would they just burn him? Having an audience and actually leading his people at the Battle of the Moesring likely gave the Snow Prince the much earned clout he needed, unlike Umaril who waited till THE last moment to fight an already wounded Pelinal. (Curious to hear what others may think, thanks for sharing your opinion)
@@Super50ldier Facts man. Not gonna lie, the Fall of the Snow Prince is by far my most favorite book in the franchise. Him and the Snow Elves as a race is what got me to delve deep into the Lore, and wanting to find answers Me becoming a Nerd started with this guy and his people, wanting to find out what really happened, who started what, to what extent, and why this epic battle came to be The Snow Prince... crazy to think, we don't even know the guy's name, or anything about his family line or anything. There was supposed to be a book called "Slaying of the Falmer Princes" that the Nords like to read, and I wonder if those were all warriors and mages of Snow Elven noble families, with THE Snow Prince that we all know being of the ruling royal family. Like how Alinor has many kings across their few kingdom's on the Isles, but they have one High King above the rest. Either way, the Snow Prince's final stand was well written, even if it sucks how he died. So many questions about Ancient Skyrim, not enough answers. Either way, Snow Prince VS Pelinal would be legendary to see, even though of course it'll likely never happen. A fan can imagine, though. Only thing I could compare it too would be the likes of Hector VS Achilles in the movie 'Troy', but even that may not be anything in comparison
@@thalmoragent9344 You said it man, both being Champions of their races, Pelinal being the Champion of the Nedes and Imperials, the Snow Prince being the Champion of the Snow Elves. It would have been cool if the Snow Prince was the aspect of Trinimac, the Strongest of the Elven gods, as Pelinal Whitestrake is a Shezarrine, aspect of Lorkhan, the Human God of Mankind.
One thing I would like to say that would suggest that Pelinal may have actually had a cyborg arm (probably magitech rather than purely mechanical, but who can say) and wasn't just using destruction magic is the fact that his arm isn't recorded as being able to emit a killing light. His arm was said to *be made of* a killing light.
If I remember right, Dark Elves having three daedra as their patrons/primary gods they also view Lorkhan as a revered figure/4th patron and consider CHIM as Lorkhans gift or attempt to give mortals a chance to achieve what he and all the other aedra, daedra, and those before them have. Which I think fits well with that third idea.
There are two fanmade songs about Pelinal: Pelinal Animated Opera and A Song For Pelinal by Golden God. Both kick ass and stun elves within a 10m radius so you can kill them easier.
