So true. I’ve had to come to accept I am SF as opposed to an NT. I really strive to come off as the smartest in the room but inside I’m literally the opposite. I even use Grammarly to ensure my work emails are NT defensible. 😂
I find it very hard to accept myself as SF when I seem to be very NT too. I seem to only have the physical "Look" of an SF, but I believe that it is hereditary. Everything else about me is very NT. I actually have a very hard time dealing with feelers if they get too feely lol. I am never late (not once since I started work in 98), I am always where I need to be 45 -60 minutes ahead of time, etc Got a tech problem, I'll fix it, I'll probably find a totally new way and or invention that makes it easier too. I was partitioning disk drives on windows 98 (before it was done on windows normally), reverse engineered SNES games, and got into the publisher's magazine for finding errors in their code at the age of 10, does this sound like an ESFP jumper? My wife and I think that we had projected onto each other when we made the videos, and have been typed as the other lol.
@@ShetcanWilly I hate to say this but nearly everything in your message screams Saviour Sensory. Re-read your comment and notice how you describe in detail everything you've done workwise since the late 90ies. It's not necessarily important what we say but how we say it. And you are clearly listing out facts, therefore Saviour Sensory. You even wrote the exact amount of minutes you always arrive ahead. Hopefully you will see your type more clearly now, best of luck! :)
My favorite part is the comments section. Where no one would ever make the mistakes mentioned in this video and everyone has themselves perfectly figured out (and everyone else too)!
Well, there are multiple definitions of harmony. High Fe users accept "fake" harmony because they can't stand disharmony, but the same issue might come up again and again. High Ti users want to generate harmony with fixing the problem, the root cause, so that it does not appear again. That harmony user there has actually quite some foresight with ending the divorce quickly, so that they can live in harmony again without resenting each other for ages. Harmony users are looking for common ground instead of wasting emotional energy by rehashing areas of disagreement. - CliftonStrengths isn't a "type" instrument from what I see.I see it as trait instrument as it ranks 34 traits by how strong the person sees them.
Actually high Fe users aren't afraid of the negative emotions because they're responsible for it. Look at Oprah, she doesn't mind poking and weedling someone into tears to get that F going. Being responsible for Fe means working through the negatives as well. They don't do fake harmony very well.
@@Owlsworthy Mature ones are more responsible for sure. It's about the maturity. I agree. Fake harmony, in other words, can also be to compliment others without actually thinking so or accepting something the other person did which they are actually against.
No that supposed “harmony user” is going to ride over all of their painful emotions obliviously without helping them in the slightest, instead is going to forcefully coral them into hurrying up so that he can get his paycheck, meanwhile he will falsely believe he is doing this in order to be helpful.
This video was crazy interesting and fun, but it gives me more and more doubts about my own type. The thing you say about "how people perceive you is actually the most accurate" is hella true and i definitely agree... But some of my friends think i'm an intp, some think of infj and i've been guessed a feminine De in some of your comment sections. Im still clueless since i was called both empathetic and smart for my whole life by so many friends and teachers/authorities but im sure im a single decider.
Welcome to the doubt party, I've been here for years. Internet tests are unequivocally convinced INFP. Other people have either agreed or said ENFP or ESFP, but I've heard people say Savior Te in the comments too which is always funny to me with the INFP history, but statistically likely given how many people type themselves upside-down. Hoping to eventually get typed officially.
@@BlueHazyDreams the thing that could - maybe? - help you is finding out wether your main focus in the normal talking is things/ideas or people. If you are enfp or esfp its pretty certain that you are a single observer, but if you are usually typed both sensor and intuitive as single observer you should guess that you are a single decider, as infp, now the thing is to find out if you find better time being alone and thinking for yourself or worrying about others. About me, im pretty sure ive tried my whole life to do things for others to get accepted, and on this apparently agree most of my nearest relatives, funny enough my friends think about me being intp or infj, which i can guess to be related to my peacocking? Well, i hope to find out one day
Wait, you're saying that eviscerating people with TI truth scythes isn't actual empathy? Or maybe if you can empathize but still gut them because you believe it's for their growth and benefit, that's still TI taking a dominant role over feelings, over additional "noisy" input, because the threshold criteria has been met and the determination has been made.
Tbh its good that people type themselves upside down as they will be working on their demons (unintentionally) and that's good for them. Id say situations to where its bad is perhaps in important situations such as a career path but other than that i think an intp playing the friendly uncle role is pretty beneficial.
An INTP could probably spend his time on Ti things and advance all of humanity forward while the friendly uncle thing would have minor results though... Maybe a bit good for his personal growth but it's a lost opportunity not to have lead Ti do Ti things.
MBTI is a natural preference, any person can always go against their own. Just like if you are right-handed, you can also decide to write with your left hand for the rest of your life.
this is where i've had to realize that all this effort ive put into studying various personality theories needs to inform my strategy with humans but can't be necessarily shared directly with them, as i've encountered ppl tell me i'm not my saviors and that they are adamantly their demons. i'm ok with being wrong about mistyping bc i've learned that, at least for my novice ability right now, i need time for the type to fully reveal and "lockdown" in my assessment. i observe and question a lot and take time to classify those around me which is why i don't think i'm totally off base. but seeing some ppl have an immediate hostile reaction is kind of startling and disappointing. to be fair, a lot of how ppl present at work (which is where i'm applying these theories) is tied very strongly to their sense of career survival, tribe value, and therefore promotional and compensation opportunities...so demon or not, everyone wants to be associated with certain high value labels like "strategist" or "doer" or "ppl person"
Holy shit all those ESFP and ESTP talking heads explaining STRATEGY made me think I'll never get what strategy is, like they're preaching the most basic Ni yet where are they and where am I, must be some depth that I will never comprehend
So funny. People refuse to believe this is the case. That thing that you "want" to be, is the thing that you aren't. That's it. If you see it on the horizon, it's not in your hands...
“Other attorneys in my practice are always amazed out how quickly my cases are resolved” 😂😂😂 That’s their polite way of saying “Don’t you understand how the divorce lawyer racket works?”
For years I thought I was an INTP because that's what I tested out as. I was professionally typed recently and come to find out I'm an ENFP. I got half the puzzle right, but interestingly Ti is my least favorite function (shadow and blindspot) and now that I know what it is I know why it isn't possible that I have it lol
Possible enneagram types from left to right and top to bottom: 8, 9, 3, 5, 2. If those are right, then the labels fit for everyone except the 5 "Harmony" guy. And maybe the 3 "Empathy" guy would be doing empathy for personal achievement, not out of true empathy.
@@xantisant at last a human. But have a look on your childhood first and what people often say to you. For example: Someone told me I'd like to watch the world burn. Well, yes. So I must be an Entp. Just try it that way.
I bet. I have seen people treat their family member horribly, even when someone was in the hospital.. yet they think they can bring their skills to help people in the world, , it’s hilarious and actually quite sad.
People don't type themselves upside down as much as you think they do. That is classic Ni arrogance :p We see the abstract in the individual. They can't. When people like Cal Newport and Elizabeth Gilbert teach their saviors you guys are like look at people teaching their saviors. And then you laugh even harder at people teaching their demons. But it is precisely the saviors and demons that people are good at teaching. With the saviors they are teaching their innate skills. With demons its hard earned skill. And I think both versions of teachers are necessary. When I see how much ENTJs like Gary Vaynerchuck I want to laugh because I think his Fi is questionable. But I see how much his struggle to conquer his demons resonates with ENTJs and helps them. People are aware of the fact that they are peacocking. Teaching is a good way to learn the things we are ourselves learning. Also, people learn better from people who are closer to their level. A person teaching his demons breaks it down to basics because he struggles with it so much. I would say people can teach their demons to another person with the same demons better than someone who had it as a saviour could. People want to teach their demons. It's their struggle, their story, their hero's journey. Teaching it forces them to never forget about it and lose balance.
Honestly I was thinking something similar too and yeah it's probably their Ni ignorance that they're so fixated on the idea of mistyping. It's not that people can't see their demons, it's just that they wanna share their progress over their demons with others a lot more because they see it as more helpful because it was more helpful to them. Same goes for saviours, people see what they're good at and observe that others might benefit from it which is why they choose to teach it. So it's not a bad thing that people share their saviours and demons a lot more.
So i just organized my closet (backstory: hated shopping since childhood. Almost all clothes are given to me as hand-me-downs by relatives and close friends. Once in 5 years i will actively go out and buy some clothes that will last for 10 years) So during the pandemic and even after that, i sorted out clothes to give away. And today i organized one part of my closet (the home clothes section) into summer, winter and rainy season. Also packed for a trip whose dates will be confirmed by dad soon. And made room for significant other's clothes (he's gradually bringing them over) as he will be moving in post marriage 😄. I do not at all consider myself organized. I prefer to not do it but a light goes off in my brain like do it do it do it! It's about time! I consider myself a lazy person which is why i constantly push myself to be engaged in some activity or the other (even while eating, going to the loo, etc) when I'm not at work. During the pandemic i decided to just paint stuff since i always liked painting but never got around to it. I also started learning to cook. And it wasn't a disaster. My parents and boyfriend say I'm too hard on myself because i always think whatever i make is crap. Anyway, I'm typed as an Infj. So i decided to work on my weak Se with painting and cooking. And professionally I am a therapist and a tutor (Math and English mostly). I am active in Church things. I have written letters/poems to myself for various things. 1) when the time comes for my parents' deaths. 2) when I'm feeling completely low and defeated. I often think of myself as an angry human, waiting to explode or implode. Others think of me as sweet, kind and polite. My close ones know of my temper. But they still seem to think fondly of me. I always felt they'd leave someday. I mean death will eventually take them away. Ooooh also... I Love cupcakes. I think it's horrible for me to even mentally comment about someone or something. Coz it isn't my business or place. I hate wasting money on things. I will starve, walk a distance, etc just to save some few bucks for a rainy day. Or for the future. Or an emergency. You never know what may happen. I often have conversations and arguments with the many selves in my mind (maybe being an only child has allowed me to have multiple voices in my head). I don't consider myself empathetic because i often wonder how do people think/function like this. Sheesh. I guess i try to believe that people are better than what they limit themselves to be.
I wonder if all of these identifiers (woo, harmony, etc.) are just written by a group of writers and if the people on the screen are just actors. In that case, these will all be skewed. Who knows.
This video was such a funny explanation of this concept omg hahaha. Also I'm still delusional enough to think I'm in the 1 out of 5 who knows my type, lol (INFP).
you can be self aware and realize what your actual top strength is, but its harder to do cause its innate in you, like how u dont notice yourself walking (you already naturally walk so well)
Great video but I’m gonna say it: I think this tendency is typical for American mindset. A lot of delusion and not being down to earth. The good thing about this though is that this mentality of “can do” that is encouraged can result in a lot of great achievements. But a lot of delusion as well.
Wow! Copyrighting "woo". Sweet Jesus! Where do they find the gall? I'm gonna copyright "the" if that's the game we're playing. I won't charge royalties, of course, except from these a-holes.
@@ferenccsenkey3343 Almost the opposite. Ti/Si, according to Shan and Dave. I'm fine with regulations that are justified or at least made in good faith. Actually, I see the opposite problem here. I see people asserting "rights" that they absolutely do not have. That, to me, is disgusting.
Woo is an Ne Dom. She creates intuitive options for the tribe/clients. Total ENFP. Strategic guy is also Ne, but with Ti analytic. ENTP or INTP because he probably does get anal with details. Financial planner guy is a screaming ENTJ. He is out for his Ni plan for earning commissions. He is a lead Te who knows everything. Harmony guy is total Fi personal honor Dom. Again, making options for tribe with Ne parent. Lots of lawyers are INFP. Granny is an ENTJ. Te knowledge, Ni agenda. You guys need to revisit what Ne is. You are locked in your own typing groupthink.
"wrong" as in they're separate from mbti yet there's no way new viewers would know that, so not your fault. Their function definitions are more about "gathering/sees the spectrum" (Ne Se Te Fe) or "stacked/focused on one thing" (Ni Si Ti Fi) and if that sounds abstract it's cuz you need to keep seeing a lot of their videos. An ESFP (Casey Neistat) on personalitydatabase can be a jumper INFJ in their system, because according to them, they're showing off their demons on camera then acts the complete opposite on long interviews that are edited by someone else; that people show off their demons before saviors because they are more "hard earned" and interesting in their inner world
Question: I promise there is a question here. What we know is that the right hemisphere of the brain is in charge of Creativity, Intuition, Arts, Feeling, Imagination, Pattern Recognition, Music Awareness, Left-hand control, etc. Meanwhile, the left hemissphere is in charge of Logic, Analytical thinking, Language, Reasoning, Math, Facts, Right-hand control, etc. Based on that, it seems the right brain is very NF dominate while also having left-hand control, while the left brain is very ST dominate while having right-hand control. Do you see any clustering of double activated NF types (or any other unique NF type) also being left handed?
The lateralization of the brain cognitive function is not so well defined as people think. There is evidence that left handed people have less hemispherical specialization. I remember hearing Dr D. Nardi saying that he tested RH people for his research to eliminate variables, but he had tested some LH subjects who identified as Se types, and scans showed more intuitive type patterns of functioning, and speculated they could flex into intuitive thinking more easily than typical S types. I found that interesting as an LH Se type since I exhibit a lot traits commonly associated with intuitive types. Also, it reminded me of a dorm mate who said that one of his architecture classes was almost all LH. That is crazy considering the 90/10 ratio in the general population. Fun stuff.
@@MrLuigiFercotti THAT is what I am looking for! Maybe the corpus collosum is different, allowing more seamless cross communication between hemispheres? Maybe these people lead with an introverted cognitive function, so the 2nd and 3rd functions are what we see more of such as a "jumper" with the middle 2 functions being Se-Ni, or standard type with Ni-Se in the middle? My GF is left-handed and tested as ENFP. I think she is either FM or double masculine Sensing/Deciding... with animals Sleep, Blast, Play, Consume.
there is something to ops, there really is, but it is not mbti and it is nothing more than an attempt at behavioral science, something that has already been done and categorized in the form of aforementioned + psychology. it is bringing something new to the table in terms of standardizing mbti labels, but not much more. this video adds salt to my dilemma. i think my therapist and parents would say that i fit the IJ temperament best, whilst my therapist and friends see NiSe shine through. i’m always upset about things if i’m ever upset - it’s rarely ever people problems, and when it is, it’s still about the things themselves (their logic, their beliefs, their emotions, them not leaving me be to do my thing). stubborn as i am with overestimated child Ti apparently. many times, my behavior though is quite similar to that of other temperaments - but i am clearly not cognitively extroverted constantly being in touch with the external world over that of my own. i have adhd/depression which makes it difficult for me to get out of my head and be cognizant of time, and by the words of everyone who knows me, a high Fe user. my parents would call me Pi-Ti though, this i know for sure. the difference is i strive for order and i use my rusty people and persuasion skills in the moment to make up for my flaws, even if it’s super stressful inadvertently creating chaos, having anxiety as well. the multiple layers that build a person, you see? ops complicates it through 512 types whilst simultaneously simplifying it through snapshots of behavior. to mimic objectivity, i escaped my body to make those conclusions, as i do. but i’d have made the same conclusions simply observing myself and behaviors, it is true.
-aaand one look at verbiosity to OPS could signify NeSi instead of reasoning, motive, and factors that come into play. ultimately i’ve been typed as all the Fe users and would say sympathy is something i’m not terrible at. infj is what i tend to go with as it fits the best logically - there will never be a perfect one.
@@onemillionpercent I think you are an Infj, I am too. I've also experienced what your saying about the objectivity of objective personality. I have typed myself as an FF Ni/Ti SC/B(P) Infj and even though I am very sure of my typing assessment I also experience doubt. One scenario that occurred to me was when I though I had masculine Fe, but in reality all I was doing was supporting my Fe with the my masculine Ni/Ti, saying to myself "My Fe is justified, My Fe is justified, each time someone threw a jab at my Fe"- this created the mirage of me having Masculine Fe when indeed I had feminine Fe; the fact is that the very existence of me needing to justify my Fe showed that my Fe was feminine as I wanted to avoid it being moved, but it occurred to me that from the external world I would appear as a masculine Fe. I asked my self the question of, What if I was professionally typed by Ops? I would test as a Masculine Fe user even though I am not. Perhaps the question of whether an external eye can really type a person in a 30 minute video needs to be reassessed. I think that self-assessment, when done correctly, can be most objective - as long as they are assessing themselves correctly, along the right lines and avoiding bias. Can you relate in any way? Also, do you know what your Ops type is? If you are Infj I think yours may be similar to mine.
By observing others first, then selecting the most *intensely* attractive option. If the observer eats sh!t in the process of jumping over the fence in said fashion... They will more than likely select one of the next most intensely attractive options and avoid the other option like the plague (based on the intensely negative memory). So on & so forth...
I empathize with meople by putting myself in their shoes. If I were you, I wouldn't do that. Do what? Spend all your hard earned free time on the insignificance of video gaming slut machines systematically taking your goolde fashioned American eagles.
Spot_fukeen_ON. "Life pile." I am constantly thinking I'm super duper organized... That it only "looks" like I'm not bcuz, well, "if I can't do it right, I'm not going to do it until I can." I.E., I'm only organized based on: 1. Keeping critics silent. 2. If I loose my sh!t due to a FKN MASSIVE momentous tidal wave rooted in disorganization/procrastination. I.E.: "I've HAD IT with this FKN NONSENSE! I'm getting organised RIGHT (down to the frign molecules LOL) & NOW!" (And that cycle repeats about every 3-6 months 😂) Good stuff! PS I.E.! 🤣
