This video covers some of the causes of the persecution of the Saints in the last days. See the prophesies, timeline, and severity associated with these events. @GospelLessons1 See all Gospel Lessons Videos here: gospeldoctrine.us
“You can leave the church but you can’t leave the church alone”- Elder Oaks . I will never forget when he said that. Truer words have never been spoken.
You Mormons have nothing to look forward to because Mormons deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST! You can't be saved if you believe that JESUS is only a created being! JESUS is GOD, see John 1! The Mormons also added to the Bible, it's a death cult! You must get out of it before the rapture happens otherwise GOD Himself will send you a great delusion and you will believe the lie, perish during the upcoming 7year Tribulation and go to hell! Listen to born again Theologians like Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. David Reagan, Dr. Ron Rhodes and their guests. PS: you don't even believe in the 7year Tribulation - taking away for the Book of Revelation is a terrible sin! Just read the King James Bible!
@@albertafarmer8638 😂 if you’re going to attack LDS people at least get your facts straight. This is the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Humble yourself and focus your life on Jesus Christ the Savior of the world and less on attacking others beliefs in a nasty way. The Book of Mormon is the word of God and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ. I love you regardless of what you say but this is the Church of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ directs it. May God bless you Alberta
Thank you Brother for your videos and reassuring faith that "All will be well for those who exercise their faith in our Saviour". Truly appreciated. Stay safe
The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done. Joseph Smith Jr.
You Mormons have nothing to look forward to because Mormons deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST! You can't be saved if you believe that JESUS is only a created being! JESUS is GOD, see John 1! The Mormons also added to the Bible, it's a death cult! You must get out of it before the rapture happens otherwise GOD Himself will send you a great delusion and you will believe the lie, perish during the upcoming 7year Tribulation and go to hell! Listen to born again Theologians like Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. David Reagan, Dr. Ron Rhodes and their guests. PS: you don't even believe in the 7year Tribulation - taking away for the Book of Revelation is a terrible sin! Just read the King James Bible!
First thing that comes to mind is this question. Who is it unpopular to be in today's world in our society? Christian, Jewish, Conservationists of Freedom, Male, White, Traditionalists, Lovers of God and not man, Traditional family man and or woman, Housewife, Truth seekers exe......
If you live to be 85 you will see it all. We are entering the greatest time of trouble the world has known. It has already begun but in 6 months to a year war will be poured out upon the whole earth. I hate to brake it to you but your along for the ride
The rapture will happen at any moment now, we are almost there but you Mormons have nothing to look forward to because Mormons deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST! You can't be saved if you believe that JESUS is only a created being! JESUS is GOD, see John 1! The Mormons also added to the Bible, it's a death cult! You must get out of it before the rapture happens otherwise GOD Himself will send you a great delusion and you will believe the lie, perish during the upcoming 7year Tribulation and go to hell! Listen to born again Theologians like Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. David Reagan, Dr. Ron Rhodes and their guests. PS: you don't even believe in the 7year Tribulation - taking away for the Book of Revelation is a terrible sin! Just read the King James Bible!
@@albertafarmer8638 you have made essentially the same comment tons of times on this channel. Just say you don't understand latter-day saints beliefs and move on.
I appreciate your time and effort. For my to get the opportunity to study and learn every day I have to listen to the scriptures, podcast, and You Tube. I have to selected those with whom I feel the spirit. If I feel uneasy with the message I know its not of God. My only question about your message today is the last statement about Zion and Missouri. I think about all the members world wide who would have to gather to this physical place. I'm not sure there would be physical room for everyone. Just thinking!!
Zion and her Stakes, that would be in various Stakes worldwide, to gather the Saints physically, not only in the USA. So it means, you will miss the boat when it's loading time, if your not a faithful follower of Jesus Christ, you will miss the announcements when that time comes, when the Prophets of the Lord to call upon his Saints to gather. Also, those non members of the church worldwide who follow Jesus Christ will also be lifted up in the last days, those who are righteous will also be saved.
“Persecution” when self described is a very loaded word that promotes a victimhood mentality. It also incites an “us vs then” mentality that is isolationist.
Very True , I have a problem with weak-minded people or sensitive people. Politically correctness is a disease of its own making. It can destroy the mind faster than cancer of the Mind. I don't know how to respond too politically correct people, they seem to always get there, victim free pass go straight to jail and put your Shackles On your hands feet and neck. But the door of the jail is always open.
It Would be instructive, IMHO, to make a distinction between the "abomination of desolation" and the "desolation of abomination", mentioned in Sec 84 and 88! The first happens twice, in Jerusalem. The second has been with us since the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the Earth, and grows in increasing intensity until the final confrontations in Jerusalem! The connotations of the words is specific! Also, "heading to Zion" as stated is actually the process of being actively engaged in our local wards, stakes and temple work and remaining in close touch with the General Authorities; THAT is "Zion"!!
Great videos this one especially, one question i have is about the Mark of the Beast... There are severe consequences laid for anyone who accepts the mark yet there are really no LDS talks on it. I have asked friends and family and have received varied opinions Such as we will either be told when the time is come just to follow the prophet regardless or maybe it's not as important to us as we think it might be just because it's listed in the book of revelations Maybe there are translation issues so therefore we don't use or refer to that portion. Just curiuos on others thoughts on the matter
I believe it will be pretty obvious once the mark will be tied to the need to accept and declare loyalty to the new theocratic world government that obviously will not have the God of Israel as an object of worship. The mark must be something that is intrinsically contrary to the gospel. One thing that will make many people give in will be the fact of not being able to buy or sell without having the mark, that is, all the comfort that we once had will be within our reach if we accept the mark...
Sometimes I can’t believe I am living through all of this, it’s amazing to see scriptures written even before Christ’s birth happening before my own eyes. And it’s also incredible how many church members don’t see it, at least not yet.
@@PunsandPixels I have the same feeling. Sometimes I feel extremely honored to have been chosen to be here at this moment in the world, but often I feel scared to see everything being fulfilled and to think what awaits us! We need to do our part and trust the Lord to guide us through these trying times. I hope the COVID-19 at least have served to wake up many people!
Flood gates of judgment will open up on the Earth and destroy all these wicked devils who are plotting to persecute today's followers of Christ and the saints you are hereby destroyed. What the evil dead suffer will become in the flesh to all of you when the sun rides tables turn
Ok Look if your going to create a youtube video on church and it's principle's turn your volume up louder soo we can all hear it better. This volume is way too low to hear anything. Please turn your volume up. This is an important part of your video.
I’m still not clear in how to recognize the abomination of desolation?? How to know when to move to zion? I’m sure we will be sent to protection before the worst happens I feel like there’s some info missing here. We won’t always know what’s going on with a lot of signs too even when watching it’s all so tricky
Do you still have the Revelations study guide available? The link in the video doesn't work and I have been trying to search for it online but can't find it.
2 things. It’s not honest to associate the offenses and betrayed with a label “apostate”. You don’t know their plight. Lastly it is ridiculous to assume that only the Mormon people are in this list of who you speak based on the idea of covenants. That is ridiculous. The doctrine and and covenants says those that repent belong to My (the Lord’s) church. Nothing more nothing less.
* The scriptures say faith is the evidence of things hoped for that are unseen but that are true. Therefore, we must believe in things that are true or our faith is void. For example, the scientists and engineers hypothesized the sound barrier could be broken and built a plane fast enough. And Chuck Yeager boarded that plane, putting his life on the line, and made evident of that which is unseen is true. But what is the evidence of our faith? Is it not, in part, in our partaking of the emblems of the suffering of our Lord? For we partake in remembrance of that body of Christ that could not inherit God’s kingdom. For we know that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Nor did our God want His Son to return to Him in the body by which He took upon Him the sin of the world. Although the wounds remain as a witness. But now is that body of Christ changed, quickened by God’s Spirit. And the body of Christ quickened by God’s Spirit can inherit God’s kingdom. And just as in the courts of law forensic evidence surpasses eyewitness testimony, so shall the evidence of our faith surpass all this world has to offer when we too are changed quickened by that same Spirit. And then shall all doubt forever be removed for we cannot inherit God’s kingdom having doubt. And it shall be by God’s Spirit that we are changed. For the Spirit of God is God. The Spirit of God has a body, our Father in heaven. For because our God was not created, nor are there gods before Him, He hath no need of resurrecting for He is just as the scriptures say, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. And he therefore cannot die. And when we are changed we shall be made like Him in that we shall never again die. Only when we are changed our souls shall never again separate and it is in this thing only that is meant when our Lord said, For my Father is greater than I. For our Lord, Jesus Christ, was raised up resurrected by none other than His own Father. The Holy Ghost is not someone we don’t know. The Holy Ghost is the Spirit of our heavenly Father. Our Lord said, The wind bloweth wither is listeth and ye hear the sound thereof but ye cannot tell from whence it cometh or wether is goeth. So is everyone that is born of the spirit. I dare not change nor do I change the meaning our Lord gave regarding our being born again. For we know He is speaking of our baptism and of our receiving of the Gift. But we seek the next level in our salvation when we shall be change into the body of Christ. And now we know from whence that Spirit cometh and wither is goeth and we hear the sound thereof. For it is impossible to be saved in ignorance. The Lord our God gave Abraham a promise. And this is the promise God gave Abraham. That in Abraham’s seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed. And that seed is Christ. And although Abraham and Sara, Enoch, Abel and Noah all died not receiving the promises, they died in faith, seeing the promises afar off. Only the promises of our God shall be made sure. And the scriptures testify, Never has a prophet, and apostle or a prophetess ever said these words, I promise… For to do so would make themselves instead of God making evident the truthfulness of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. In 1 John we read, There is no fear in love for perfect love casteth out fear because fear has torment. This is perfect love: God in our Lord, Jesus Christ.
If we know the letter J was invented in the 1500's by a Pope. If we know the names, dates, times and Sabbath where also changed in the 1500's. We can see the Yahudi where enslaved and also the saints beheaded during the Spanish and French revolutions. Then we ought recognize in accordance with scripture, note scripture has YahUahs name therein 7000 times sans where his name appears in others names, cities and the 2 nations Yahudah & Yasher'eL.. Mayhap a recognition of the elders. Christian, Roman, Greek, Yahudim..not Jew. Those called by YahUahs name....there is neither Yahudim or Gentile! All became Gentiles during the hidden cycle, (yAmen = Yah hidden), which began the Gentile reign. Yet we are told do not as the heAthen - he Athen Greek, aka Gentile. Yet to recognized the key of life YhWh, tetYAhGramarten = the star tetyahedron in geometry 🔯 the self perpetuating energy torus...
John DOES give the events in chronological order. The order is based on the ending of the events, not the beginning. Thus the ending of chapter 9 will first occur, then the ending of chapter 10, then the ending of chapter 11, and so on (whereas each of those endings are an ending to a snippet of the revelation). The word “revelation” and the sealed book of chapter 5 let’s us know that ALL of the events were future events from the time that the revelation was given. Any event that had already occurred prior to the revelation being given wouldn’t have been sealed since they already occurred. Revelation 12 does not refer to the premortal war in heaven but rather symbolizes heaven, just like how the woman is symbolic as well as the stars around her head. The woman is the church, and heaven is symbolic of Zion. Remember how the regions of the USA were called Zion in the D&C? That’s why the woman (church) was in heaven (Zion). The war in “heaven” that breaks out in chapter 12 is the cleansing of wickedness and Satan’s influence from the land - that’s why it says that he gets cast out. The cleansing is in preparation for the Kingdom to be established, which Kingdom the woman gave birth to prior to the cleansing. The manchild was caught up to the throne which symbolizes the Kingdom receiving God’s power (which will be through the servant - whom is the first horseman - when he is endowed with power from Heavenly Father). God is able to hide the events of our day in plain sight by tossing a shadow interpretation of the interpretation of the seals in D&C 77. He knew that those that don’t look to the Spirit would take that and rub with it… exactly as they are doing. Years after D&C 77 was given Joseph remarked that none of the events occurred prior to the revelation being given. He specifically then identified the first seals as part of that statement. By allowing members to pursue a secular understanding of the seals, God kept the true meaning hidden from all but the wise virgins (since the wise virgins look to the Spirit for gaining truth). We are not in the 7th seal, nor the 6th. We are near the first seal. The first seal consists of the empowering of the servant that will bring forth the Zion Kingdom. That’s at the beginning of “the times of the Gentiles”. The second seal consists of the deterioration of peace, unlike what we have known. That is a necessity in order to bring about “the great and marvelous work”. The third seal is the rise in cost for food (the living essentials). That leads to the fourth seal which will be the key event that will cause people to have to choose whether they are going to be wicked or righteous for survival, which fulfills this prophecy: “For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other-either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken.” (1 Nephi 14:7)
Ha ha. I always find it funny when people call the church a cult. If you consider an organization thats underlying goal is to increase peace on the earth by teaching people to follow Christ and love one another then, yes, I gladly belong to a cult.
@@841577 You sound like a cultist. Lies Deceits Sycophancy Lying and waffling since 1830 Lying about race about history about Smith about misogyny about LGBTQ rights about political issues.
@@fayelewis5476 For, for this end was the law given; wherefore the law hath become dead unto us, and we are made alive in Christ because of our faith; yet we keep the law because of the commandments. And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. And now, the plan of mercy could not be brought about except an atonement should be made; therefore God himself atoneth for the sins of the world, to bring about the plan of mercy, to appease the demands of justice, that God might be a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also. And after they had been received unto baptism, and were wrought upon and cleansed by the power of the Holy Ghost, they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ; and their names were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God, to keep them in the right way, to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, relying alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith. While neither of the definitions you chose disqualify our church, as shown above, your definition was chosen by a particular branch of Christianity that chose exclusionary statements to stake their claim on Christianity. It is apparent by the language. The real defintion of a cult is a group that has sacred knowledge for the initiate. That includes the temple cult of the Israelites. That includes Christ's direct teachings to the apostles when he only gave parable to others. That includes the 40 day ministry of Christ to believers after his resurrection which we don't have a word of in the Bible. It includes everything taught directly by the holy spirit. Christianity is a cult by the actual definition. Most religions have that to some degree. There are even patristic letters going back and forth about making public the secret teachings that were passed down from the apostles. At the end of the day, if you believe Christ was the son of God, died for our sins, and resurrected, then you are a Christian in my book.
@@fayelewis5476 I don't know wha you mean by the LDS Christ. The word was with God and the word was God. We read the same verse as you. And yes, it was the temple cult. Every scholar that talks about them, religious or not, uses that term when discussing them in technical terms. They are the temple cult because they had hidden sacred knowledge used in the temple. That is the name of God spoken only in the temple. That is by definition a cult. It isn't a bad thing, it is just the proper use of the word. And yes, I have read the bible many times. It is a sacred text in our church. We go through the entirety of the bible every 4 years. I have read it several times on my own also. And yes Christ is the son of God and God as the scriptures from the Book of Mormon said above. You are arguing against a fake version of our church. That is called a straw man argument. I have agreed with everything you said accept the mischaracterization you keep giving of the church.
@@fayelewis5476 I an glad you are no longer saying we don’t believe in the divinity of Christ. I am also glad you are no longer saying we don’t believe in grace. I feel like we are on better ground now. You are much closer to being correct about our Christianity this time. First, the comparison Hinkley was making was between are non-trinitarian understanding of the Godhead. We also believe in a God that continues to commune with man. He is not a silent God. That was the obvious distinction he was making. We don’t accept the Nicean creeds because they represent the most obvious departure from the gospel of Christ. They were created by Greek philosophers to give power to an emperor through the church. It was the means by which Christianity was enforced by the state and the sword. We teach that no influence should be held by corrosion. That is the very thing that destroys priesthood power. So you are correct in that we don’t believe in the creeds of the 4th century. As for the age of Christ. His essence is as old as the Father. They are co-eval. Creation merely means to organize. That is the verb used in the Bible, and we believe it. I believe in hebrew it is pronounced baurach. Something like that. You made some assumptions that are not in any of our cannonized text about the sexual relationship of God. That is not in any sacred text, and it is a bit weird that you thought about that. We have no doctrine on how creation of God’s children happens. You can speculate all day but there is no scripture on the subject. We believe more about Christ because more has been revealed through modern prophets. God has a body. Not only is that revealed through modern revelation, but it also cones from Matthew 5. We were commanded to be perfect as the father in heaven is perfect. Christ then pushed us towards (not away from) that perfection by affecting a physical resurrection. He did that because he wants us to be perfect as the Father is perfect. He also taught the sealing on Earth and in heaven which allows the family unit to continue. We believe him when he promised that power to the apostles. This was the concept of theosis written on extensively by the chuch fathers in the first 3 centuries. That is why the Greek Orthodox Church teaches Eternal marriage and theosis. That is how you become perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect. We believe Christ when he said he would share his thrown with us if we overcome. We believe Christ and Paul when they discuss a crown which denotes kingship. That is why Christ is the king of kings. God is perfect in power, knowledge, and influence. We believe Christ when he said that we are gods even the sons of God. We call Christ our brother because he called his father our father. We believe he presented the relationship in the way he wants us to believe it. However, you are correct, we don’t believe in the creeds created under the influence of Constantine in 325 ad. Buuuuuut, if a member chose to believe in the trinity in that manner, we wouldn’t call them a cult, nor do we do it with other trinitarian forms of Christianity except in the technical of which we all fall under the umbrella. Anyhow, I hope this was clear and instructive. I typed it on an old phone while eating delicious nachos at Johny Carinos. Yum.
Thank you SO MUCH for your hard work in making these videos. I REALLY enjoy them, and they put my mind on better things than some of my other channels ☺
I thought the General Authorities stated that we were in the seventh seal. It started in about year 2000 and the Temple in Palmyra blessing and the Hosanna Shout was as it was in Revelations.
I also have heard that we are in the seventh seal....and it started in the year 2000." With the Palmyra Temple being built....and in august 2021 the half hour of silence is over....
@@darrisellis8810 if that were true the antichrist would have come to power and we would already fully be under one world government and religion having been forced to worship and pledge allegiance to him. Christians would be persecuted and eliminated far more than what we see now. People would have accepted or rejected the mark of the beast causing them to either be able to or not be able to buy/sell//take part in the economy. We're not there yet either although with all the talk about vaxports I believe we are close to mark of beast time.
@BereanJenn you can receive personal revelation. Meaning it is not revelation for the masses or the church, but for you to hide in your heart and ponder upon, sharing carefully with others as the Spirit leads.❤️
@@christineleblond7777 Too many people were arguing in the comment section. She actually fixed a couple of mistakes on her references, and then put things back up. I enjoy her like I enjoy this channel because both people who make their videos state that we should pray and read for our own revelations. They just give us good references from scriptures, prophets, and apostles that have inspired them enough to share with us. We are free to take or leave whatever feels right to our personal spirits🦋👍🏻🕊
David Ridges Made Easier study guides are wonderful. I feel I've already endured persecution. All of my siblings, my father, some cousins, aunts and uncles, many close dear friends, have ghosted me over and over. No explanation. They just see that I believe in Christ, know I am apart of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and treat me as if I'm dead. It's strange. I feel such sorrow grieving, especially when they're still alive. However, The Kingdom of God or nothing. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. The Kingdom of God? Or the Kingdom of the devil? Scriptures make it simple, especially The Book of Mormon. May you and I be found among the faithful saints. Much love to you who are still valiant AND to you away. His hand is stretched out still all the day long.
I really enjoy your videos. You make a lot of good points. But when you said “I never predict time frames” after saying “We are still in the 6th seal” made me chuckle. The second coming has been mentioned in GF more in the past few years than I can ever remember. Pres. Nelson said time is running out to prepare. Everything seems to be accelerating like the heavens opened and revelation to our prophet has poured down (watch video from Sister Nelson about her experience seeing this occur).
Yeah, we're just not supposed to try and predict an exact date and time, but to the faithful, the signs will be given to know (generally) the phases we're entering. It's pretty intense and quite a big blessing🥰👍🏻🕊
@@HouseofIsrael77 Pretty sure the 6th seal last thousand years is the Millennium when Christ brings then remember Satan supposed to be loose just for a moment and then they'll be the judgment I know each seal represents a thousand years if my memory serves any purpose at all to me 🤭
You said we are at the end of the 6th seal. I believe were in the beginning of the seventh seal which started aprox. 21- 25 years ago. Christ was probably born in 4 B.C. The Second Coming will occur in the begining of the 7th seal. We are in that time period ! The Second Coming is imminent ! (4-9 years)
Also just speculation, because I think it’s important to keep our eyes and ears open, but look at the goal that this global secret combination has set up: 2030. That’s the goal and that year keeps getting mentioned by the UN, the WEF, even commercials talking about how by 2030 they’ll achieve such and such thing to combat climate change. 2030, is the year the Church celebrates its 200th year since it was founded. And just look at what happened last year, the Church celebrated 200 years since the first vision and it was also the year that these people set in motion this global bioweapon attack on the world. They created the problem and are now providing the solution that fits their agenda, just look at all the nations now implementing vaccine passports.
@@PunsandPixels It's definitely possible. There's a letter written by a former member of the 70 (Vaughn J. Featherstone) that was put in the corner stone of the Atlanta temple) and it's to be opened in 2033. In that letter it says that we will have witnessed the Savior's second coming. It will be an interesting ride, for sure!
I think standing in Holy places means: A) Standing in the temple. It's pretty clear that the temples are supposed to last until the millennium and may well be the only safe places at some point. AND/OR B) We should make our homes Holy places where the Spirit may dwell and protect us.
Remember this verse from the Bible: "If the world hates you, remember that the world hated me first."- said by Jesus Himself to his followers. And look at what's happening to us Latter-day Saints. We are being opposed heavily by mainstream Christians. Some are listening and trying to help us but most from what I've seen hate us and are insulting us constantly. No opposition can win because we are of the true church. Men and women have their separate roles and they work together. To the snowflake who thinks he/she can silence me, I will not. I have experienced debates against atheists, satanists and other ignorants, and I have won every time. To those of you who think there is abuse in the church. That is a lie and you are bearing false witness which is a sin. Take the plank out of your eye before judging. Btw, the Latter-day Saint branch of the church is not abusive. The RLDS?(With feminists and lgbtq promotion? Yeah, they are abusing the church, they are pushing for sin to be legalized so RLDS are not official lds and neither are FLDS, who are the cultists.) LDS has nothing to do with both. I speak the absolute objective truth. Any opposition's argument is invalid and will be destroyed by the truth.
@@alananat6628 I will not give up my religion at all. I know that the LDS church is true and you cannot change that part of me. You must have the wrong church, because church leaders would never assault a child. LDS church leaders are wise, faithful, kind, obedient and loving. That is why they are called of God.
@@matthewhart5573 Man cannot govern himself. Of course church leaders have molested young girls, they are just people and subject to temptation..... I believe this type of conduct to be unusual but it is bound to occur. When you have more than 16 million members there are going to be some perverts amongst us. The Gospel is true some of the members are crazy... Our daughters (14 and 16 both very cute!) have and will never be left alone with any male church leader... You need to be more cautious....
You may speak of true doctrine to others, but that doesn’t mean you have the Spirit with you. You sound very prideful and contentious. Maybe consider being humble and loving even towards those who are wrong. They are still your brothers and sisters. And keep in mind, you are not always right about everything. Even you will be wrong at times as we all are.
@@VolleyballMama We are all imperfect beings, the most important thing we really should be worry about is, am I worthy before the Lord? The rest can just blah...blah, blah, to eliminate stress from our lives. Just be faithful and diligent in obeying the teachings of Jesus Christ and take the Holy Ghost as your source of guidance and inspirations, you will never be deceived.
Hmm, if people leave the church over the failed predictions then they weren't focused on Christ to begin with. We had a sister give a talk in sacrament about recycling today and I couldn't Amen it. It wasn't focused on Christ- show me where Christ was the enviro warrior in his mortal ministry? 👉If Saints don't have Christ as their foundation, they will fall. It's not my fault if they choose false gods or go off on lefty tangents that the world is worshipping.
Just watched this again, I want to remind everyone that we are not all going to Missouri. We will be making Zion stakes all over the world. Only those who can literally stand in Christ's presence will go to the New Jerusalem. That means only people who have been translated. Simple mortals can't survive in the Lords presence without being quickened. People who have been in his presence for short periods are quickened, but to live in his presence we have to be translated.
“I recall a reported statement, attributed, as I remember it, to President Wilford Woodruff. Some of the brethren of his time are said to have approached him … and to have inquired of him as to when he felt the end would be-when would be the coming of the Master? These, I think, are not his exact words, but they convey the spirit of his reported reply: ‘I would live as if it were to be tomorrow-but I am still planting cherry trees!’” Elder Richard L. Evans of the Council of the Twelve, April Conference, 1950 (as stated in Teaching of the Prophets, Wilford Woodruff, Ch. 24)
The persecution I get is from the adversary….whether from within or negatives from without that I hear or see or feel. I am not sure how to overcome being impressionable. But I follow the prophet, and when I do, I am okay.
@@mondobizarro1868 It was just only recently that I found out that self-reliance is a spiritual commandment!! Then I remembered that God said that all of his laws are spiritual!! Not some just temporal!! We know that some are spiritual, though…many. But six days shalt thou work, and eat bread (etc.) from the sweat of our brow!! There is nothing to reward like good honest work, as well as service to top It off. Then we truly can rest on Sunday!! My grandma had a saying posted on her fridge, and it said, “Without work, rest has no meaning.” And years ago in stake conference, they said we cannot serve, or serve as well if we are not self-reliant first. I imagine that is spiritual advice too!! If a person wants abundance in his or her life….WORK!! Right? Nothing much ever got accomplished without good, honest work. This social media is fine to share on, but I think there should be a time limit so we do not procrastinate or abandon our hands on service. If we ever do, we may need help if the phone is addictive. Have you ever wondered what the words meant on the song, “The Sounds of Silence”? I only in recent years realized the actual truth of those words. There must have been something to it, back then no one knew about what we have now in our phones, etc.. We need hands on work and leisure, well as studying out of the best books!! Scriptures first!! And conference talks and CFM lessons!!
So what is better: 1. Create excuses for why the 2nd Coming will happen sooner? 2. Or to create excuses for why the 2nd Coming is years out? We need to have the hope (or maybe even the fear) that His coming will happen not even tomorrow, but today! But if we focus too much on this or that having to happen first or pointing to when people got their hopes up too much in the past then we create a sense of “I’ve got time”. So to me it is better to lean into explaining away why it would happen sooner then later rather then justifying why it can’t happen yet.
It's amusing that you think the saints are only your church when your church was not even around. And Christ gives this revelation to the seven churchs maybe you should rethink your position about what the Restoration of all things really means. What does God want ? Peace Your trying to make your eschatological view about your church not the True Church which are followers of Christ Besides, I don't see your church being persecuted in America I do see all Christians being persecuted and if you look at the big picture it's happening now in the world. Peace
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and many of our members get this principle wrong. There will be many religious groups and many nations with leaders which will look to Jesus Christ for guidance after his coming. The only thing one needs to survive the Second Coming of our Lord and Savior is a belief in his redeeming power. I really wish members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would not make such blasphemous claims. 👍
@@blindluck3643 There is a lot claims all churches make that can't be back up by scripture. There is error in all churches ( Revelation 2-3 ) We of course are in a fallen state till the 2nd coming of Christ when God will reestablish His Kingdom. The OT was a foreshadow of what was to come. The NT is basically the reestablish of Eden on Earth. ( The First shall be Last.) New Heaven , New Earth. This sounds easy what I'm going to say but it's not. We must be reborn in Christ and have the determination to endure to the end. If you are in Christ your also with the Father. It's not about true churches it's about being in the loving arms of Jesus our Lord and Saviour , living faithful in God's teachings If you can get to Heaven worshipping in your church, To God be all the Glory. May God Blessings be with you. Peace
@ you clearly don't understand the two resurrection periods. So please stop making assumptions about me or trying to educate me on the gospel or the second coming, first and second resurrections. Please go study your scriptures so you can understand the difference between the two.
@ Once again you are showing how you think only Latter-day Saints of the Church of Jesus Christ will be saved. This is false doctrine. You clearly do NOT understand the 3 degrees of Glory and who reigns over each and who is worthy to live in each. Furthermore you don't understand the rapture or the time when it takes place in the life of this world before it is Celestialized and moves into it's proper place next to Kolob. So once more; all those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior regardless of religion WILL be saved at his coming. To many members like yourself fail to take into account of a person's knowledge and that we will all be judged accordingly. I'm sorry to burst your LDS bubble beliefs but non-members will participate in Jesus Christ's second coming and live on earth with him when he comes.
John the Revelator is the only prophet who has recorded pre, current and post-mortal events as we know. But the brother of Jared also recorded that, and probably much more, in the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon. THAT is what I really look forward to reading!
The way you are describing the church is from a point where it can do no wrong. Isnt this the same thing previous generations though about their church? Apotasy is always a general concern. Membership in a church is not a guarantee of spiritual safety.
Has not Christ already returned? He has. When? To the boy Prophet Joesph Smith. He again returned to him in the Kirtland Temple and many other times in this dispensation. His Second Coming is like the light of the sun coming out of the east. It starts gradually untill the Sun breaks forth and casts its light in all its glory over the horizon. Christ has returned and His appearances will increase in frequency until the veil of the covering of His Temple in Heaven shall be removed and all flesh shall see him together as the earth is burned and the righteous raised up to meet Him in the clouds.
I am going to take issue with the premise upon which you are basing your argument about the Saints' persecution. Blaming the Saints for the lack of faith and the betrayal of their accusers is an improper notion and hinges upon victim blaming. Apostates will leave, no matter what. My earthly father apostatized from the Church. He didn't get his way and didn't move up the "ranks" of the Church in the manner he required inside his crazy mind. You will never appease the enemies of Christ. Offense will be manufactured and occasions for offense will be found by the prideful. And if their testimony(s) cannot handle the reality of the Saints speculating upon the timing of the Second greatest occurrence to ever happen on any earth, throughout all the Father's Kingdom- then they need to humble themselves, read the scriptures, ponder the words of the Prophets and pray about and for their own revelations. Some people refuse and will always refuse salvation, these are they who seek the destruction of Christ's work on Earth. Blaming the Saints for the works of darkness and the evil acts of traitors and tyrants because they/we can see the signs being fulfilled around us and get a little over exuberant is irresponsible and wrong. Would you blame Joseph Smith for being incarcerated in Liberty jail or being murdered at Carthage? Joseph Smith was an extremely exuberant man Would you blame the Navuoo Saints for the loss of their lands and works? Those Saints were, rightly, proud of their accomplishments in creating the city Beautiful. Would you blame the Saints in Salt Lake City for the 2nd Cavalry of the US Army chasing them down and threatening to raid their homes and destroy their peace? Those Saints probably made mistakes and sinned too. Those who live in our day deserve the same respect and forbearance. Who has kept the word of their testimony? And who has made a mockery of the sacrament . . . broken their baptismal covenants . . . and sometimes, defiled their temple covenants? Who is on the Lord's side? Who? Evil will always find an excuse to persecute, harass and murder the People of the Lord. So, how about you don't side with evil.
Christ means anointed of God. There are many pastors who say they are anointed of God to interpret the scriptures. We have had many false Christs for centuries
It is written Persecution of the saints... Persecution will come in Shifts 1st,,,, middle and Make it to the end... Is whether be mobs,, firing squad,, or Gilladine... It is written let's not lie to ourselves... Day of darkness will arrive but 1st not without ,,,a few unexpected.
The Dead sea scrolls and the fate of those who were hunted and persecuted long ago will be avenged the tables will be turned on those who like back then hunted down early Christians and today plot to do the same. It will be terrible times for those who are trying to repeat history
The things recorded in the holy scriptures are making more and more sense though they do not see it! I love the levels of your spirituality and insight! Blessed are those who did not see but believed through their spirits! Where we are born does not always matter, it's where we are going spiritually! Such was the spirit of Christ🙏🏼
Members of The Church have been warned to read their scriptures in deeper more meaningful ways. Some have. Of them some have felt inspired to talk about it. In my opinion, THAT IS GOOD. Each of us with the gift of The Holy Ghost can discern what is good for ourselves. Nothing wrong with this.
You Mormons have nothing to look forward to because Mormons deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST! You can't be saved if you believe that JESUS is only a created being! JESUS is GOD, see John 1! The Mormons also added to the Bible, it's a death cult! You must get out of it before the rapture happens otherwise GOD Himself will send you a great delusion and you will believe the lie, perish during the upcoming 7year Tribulation and go to hell! Listen to born again Theologians like Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. David Reagan, Dr. Ron Rhodes and their guests. PS: you don't even believe in the 7year Tribulation - taking away for the Book of Revelation is a terrible sin! Just read the King James Bible!
I want to know why you believe us to be in the 6th seal and not the 7th seal? Simply because I believe we are already in the 7th, but you are clearly very intelligent and study a lot. So can you explain to me why you believe this? Or do you have a video on that?
Unfortunately he is incorrect. The Seventh seal is open, the 1/2 hour of Silence is ending and the Time of Jacobs trouble is upon us. The great cleansing is about to take place and Babylon will fall. Look for the two Prophets to arise in Jerusalem. We are on the cusp of the world decending into chaos.
@@darrisellis8810 that I absolutely have believe for a couple years now. I was just curious why he believes us to be in the 6th. Because I am always wanting peoples knowledge. I love new ideas and to learn things I didn't know before. And to know why one would think we were in the 6th might help me understand that side better. But I definitely agree that I think we are in the 7th seal. Seeing the church do the Hosanna shout in general conference felt like confirmation in a strange way
@@ashlibradford1821 144000 are chosen in the 6th seal. That hasn’t happened yet. That is the easiest evidence. I disagree with a lot that he says, but this is a pretty big deal. The 12000 from each tribe have to be sealed in the temple. That has definitely not happened. Zion has to be established for that to happen. We are squarely in the sixth seal.
Zion and her Stakes worldwide, that's the gathering places and also our homes where righteous family dwells. Since there will be a lot of chaos in the streets, plagues, pestilences, earthquakes, floods, fires, famines, there will be a lot of casualties even those faithful Saints. Just think of every worst case scenario and just be prepared anytime how to survive these tribulations, how to escape it. Food, water, shelter, enough sleep, good health, spiritually prepared. These are basic things we need in order to survive in the last days. If we don't have food storage seriously, how are we gonna survive? Even extra shoes or clothing.
Isn't it strange that our government is giving billions of dollars to foreign governments and the leaders keep the money for themselves or military build up. Then they go on the media and ask the tax payers ,who payed the foreign countries, to contribute to our poor,veterans,animal shelters,etc. It is true we will give to those in need our hearts cry when we see the terrible conditions,but you would think our GREAT LEADERS WOULD HAVE A SMALL BIT OF COMPASSION AND HELP JUST A LITTLE SOMETIMES.
You Mormons have nothing to look forward to because Mormons deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST! You can't be saved if you believe that JESUS is only a created being! JESUS is GOD, see John 1! The Mormons also added to the Bible, it's a death cult! You must get out of it before the rapture happens otherwise GOD Himself will send you a great delusion and you will believe the lie, perish during the upcoming 7year Tribulation and go to hell! Listen to born again Theologians like Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. David Reagan, Dr. Ron Rhodes (end times chronology) and their guests. PS: you don't even believe in the 7year Tribulation - taking away for the Book of Revelation is a terrible sin! Just read the King James Bible!
Did Christ say that we should not know anything about the hour or time... did he say for his time all throughout all generations... would that not be a contradiction to Amos 3:7 where he reveals secrets to his servants the prophets... did not the prophets in the scriptures know of his 1st coming... and his resurrection... don’t LDS understand feast recorded in the bible and Daniels prophecies... Did not the Lord speak unto Moses in the wilderness to tell people to sanctify themselves two days then will visit them on the third day... sounds like he let that out of the basket..🙄 However I understand ur presentation ... but one has to remember that the lord has set appointed times in scriptures for his covenant people to prepare themselves to be lifted up before the abominations of desolations...as President Kimball said LDS are a sleep 😴 because they don’t look for the signs of the times...
* The first commandment God gave Moses is, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (Exodus 20:3) It is the first commandment because all the wars of the Old Testament occurred due to Israel disobeyed the command putting Lucifer above God. (Isaiah 14:13) Our Lord said, I do nothing save what I have seen my Father do. (John 5:19) What someone does and what is done to someone are two different things. Our Lord did not nail Himself to the cross nor did He resurrect Himself. The cross was done to Him by evil men and the Father resurrected Him. I do nothing save what I have seen my Father do refers to the Holy Ghost. For the Holy Ghost descended upon Him like a dove. And the New Testament says, In him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 2:9) And what did our Lord do? The scripture says, For he went about doing good. (Acts 10:38) Our Lord often referred to Himself as the Son of Man. Our Lord is the Son of Man because our Lord was born. And by one man who was not born, by this man’s disobedience, we all die. But by One Man who was born, by this Man’s righteousness, death was overcome. Consider the greatness of Adam. Adam was not born. Adam is not the son of man. Adam is the son of The Man of Holiness making Adam a son of God. And Adam having not been born is greater than us all. Therefore, was Adam chosen, that in Adam we all die and in Adam we are all on probation with God. But consider our Lord, Jesus Christ, who, like all of us was born. Only Christ was born in righteousness and having no disobedience, even unto the suffering of the cross by which he partook of that bitter cup the unborn man Adam could not bear and brought us the better, even the first resurrection. For Jesus Christ is greater than Adam. Jesus Christ is the greatest of all. Jesus Christ is the Mark and beyond the Mark, there is none. (Jacob 4:14) Our Father in heaven gave our Lord, Jesus Christ, both titles of The Father and The Son. The prophet Abinadai details for us why that is so. (Mosiah 15:2-5) And to Abinadai’s testimony I add my testimony that Jesus Christ is both the Father and the Son because there are no gods before Him. The scientists say that matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed. God is eternal. What comes out of God is therefore eternal. And just as matter cannot be created or destroyed having come out of Eternal, neither can God be created or destroyed. The first commandment God gave Moses is, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. The commandment was given because our God is not a lesser God leaving Lucifer nowhere to go. And this is life eternal that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. (John 17:3)
Those who burnt alive tortured for the faith in Christ long ago their physical pain will be the inheritance of those persecuting modern day Christians who found Christ the ones who put them in danger shame will shower you the tears of many betrayals will fall upon you
Very well said, we are not to put in time periods of events. If we pray always and put on the armor of the Lord on daily, and just go and serve others with a prayer in our hearts, the spirit will help you speak the words of the Lord. The words of the Lord are chosen carefully when the spirit informs you what to say. We have been told over and over how to walk with the spirit daily. It is a blessing whenever you speak to your friends or other people, a lot of great information is poking not only to them, you also. So when you're around other people listen to the words that are spoken. You can pick out many different words in the conversation that can help you. It certainly helps to ask for the spirit to guide you and the words you speak.
I think members leaving the church don't have faith in The Restoration of the Gospel of JesusChrist. For me their minds are weak, to accept God words. Lack of humility!
@@mariamilagrosaguayo-bishop1626 their testimonies are not built solid on the rock of Jesus Christ. They fall back into their old self and old ways and old churches because it feels more comfortable to them. Sometimes when the ground shift they take off running scared. They hear new revelation and they get scared. If you don't put the armor of God on daily you can become weak and fall when the Earth moves. What I mean by the Earth move, it is the words of Jesus Christ. I'm sure they could give you many excuses or reasons why. Satan's hard at work trying to sift the week and he's Gathering the weevils out of the good flower. And they come by choice.
@@alananat6628 it is not negative it's positive. You see it differently you have a different opinion. I don't have a different opinion, I have the same opinion in the church just like anyone else. I speak the words I mean to speak. If I speak with boldness so be it. I don't sugarcoat anything especially to the sensitive minded people. I know exactly what Jesus wants us all to do and that's live his Commandments. If you cannot do that then you just can't live up to the strict standards Jesus Christ. No one can make you do anything you don't want to do. I hope you don't see this as crew language because it is not. I'm not just talking to you im talking to others also. Look it's simple, you have the choice to live the Commandments just like the next man. If you're going to blame you're always going to blame. You can always find somebody to blame. When it comes down to it there is no one to blame except yourself. You walk around at work or church are home with a block on your shoulder sooner or later someone will accidentally bump into you, and knock the block off. It is only because you are angry when you have a block on your shoulder so you can accuse someone. You can walk around without a block on your shoulder and have a good attitude anytime you would like.
regarding the false Prophets, EXACTLY!!!!!! There are so many false prophets arising right now... and most of them are faithful Latter Day Saints! But they have no clue what they are talking about and it is very sad to see... THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING ONE OF THEM!!!!
I'm not from LDS but some of your perspectives are interesting. Especially as I have realised the Europeans are the extension of Israel. Gentiles is a root word for Gentillis in Latin which means 'of the same Race, stock or tribe' and usually use in reference to those under the circumcision... Where then do other races fit in? As they are not of the same race as Gentiles.
@@wendiblows2661 All whites of European descent ye, some may have mixed in elsewhere overtime but not all races descended from Adam. Only white Caucasians sprang up from in and around Mesopotamia the cradle of civilisation (which is basically Eden). Adam / Noah are the progenitors of white caucasians. All indo european Languages can be traced back there, migration patterns, happlogroup dna and many more strands of evidence. Then when you look to understand what Gentillis means, 'of the same race or tribe' you can see it all fits. Gentiles were the uncircumcised nations descended from Jacob, having posessed the nations. Isaiah 54:2
If you take all the population of the world it could fit in Los Angeles. Maybe that fact is outdated, and you'd be very cramped. But at that time I'd imagine the saints will be few compared to what we are thinking.
The prophesy is a righteous "remnant" will flee to Missouri. That means a righteous majority likely will only make it there when they come down with the host of heaven. Many times in scriptures righteous saints have died prematurely, even prophets, like Joseph Smith. Even Christ died. We need to be ready for the second coming now because there is a good possibility it will meet us much sooner then we think.... because we will have died.
St. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word; and the Word was with God; and the Word was God. So in the beginning Jesus was already God ... how can anyone believe He became a god? Where is the evidence that happened?
I'm assuming your not of our faith so I'm going to give you an awnser but first provide some context. We believe in the Bible and believe it is the word of God as far as its translated correctly. Unless you are Catholic and believe that that organization was or is the true faith Christ established it is absolutely insane to believe the Bible that came through that profoundly corrupt organization remained unpolluted! 2nd Thesseolonians 2 and Isaiah 24, 1-6 are prophecies regarding what the Catholic Church did to the scriptures. Many pentecostal and Baptist churches claim the infallibility of God's word without taking into consideration the many many translations, transliteration of words and the loss of meaning from the original Hebrew into Aramaic, Latin, Greek, German and finally into English. They also don't consider that a corrupt and wicked institution that preyed on the masses of humanity while using fear of damnation would have need to alter the scriptures to further thier agenda. That's why when Martin Luther, William Tindale and others began pulling away, because they could read the language that the commonman couldn't, began to lead a movement to return to the pure doctrine or puritan principles found in the scriptures. Honestly no disrespect but to believe the Bible infallible after it went through the Catholic Church would be like saying a virgin that was passed through a male cell block of the nearest state prison would remain untouched. With that I'm going to share with you the actual interpretation of the scripture you just shared in its original form before it was corrupted. If you want to learn more let me know and I can help you to understand what it means when the scriptures say thier is "No private interpretation"! Here is the original translation from John. 1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made which was made. 4 In him was the gospel, and the gospel was the life, and the life was the light of men; 5 And the light shineth in the world, and the world perceiveth it not. Christ received his 👑 after he took his place at the right hand of God. He ascended to heaven after completing the saving and redemptive work that his atoning sacrifice and death provided. Hebrews 2:9
@@darrisellis8810 "We believe in the Bible and believe it is the word of God as far as its translated correctly." So who has the authority to translate correctly and where did that authority come from? You seem to have missed the incongruity of of you denying the RCC does not have that authority to promote the Bible as the Word of God, but sme Mormon does?? Most of the Bible is so easy to understand. For example in St. Matthew 16:18 Jesus tells Peter that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church ... so that Church must still exist with unbroken apostolic succesion: Jesus Church is built on the foundation of the 12 apostolics with Jesus as the capstone. We do not need anyone to translate that for us "correctly". When the Jews left Egypt and were wandering in the desert they became unfaithful many times and had to be brought back to faithfulness ... all in the period of 40 years. Yet JS wants you to believe that that same loving God waited 1700 years from the time of the (unverified) The Great Apostasy to JS's time to "restore" His Church!!!!! Observers consider JS's claim to be absurd ... and that is one reason why there are so few Mormons and so many Christians and RCC Christians. Would you like to browse how many of the intelligentia are Catholic? Are there any corresponding internationally aclaimed intelligetia in the LDS - could you name them for us?
All 7 have been opened. The seventh was opened in the year 2000 at the Palmyra New York temple dedication. We are currently in the half hour of heavenly silence, and midway through the 7 years of tribulations.
One thing where this info is off is, the Antichrist is supposed to be in power 7 years not three. 3.5 will be persecuting the saints, then he will be kicked out of the U.S, and the next 3.5 will the wars and Armageddon with Israel. The earthquakes and thunderstorms talked about in D&C 88:89-90, will most likely happen the end of 2024 or beginning of 2025 after the eclipse makes the x over the new Madrid fault line, and the church finishes earthquake proofing the temples.
Satan does not persecute the LDS Mormons, he already deceived them into thinking SMITH was right and GOD LOST HIS OWN GOSPEL. If that is not living in darkness, surely Matt 7:21-23 will be the fate of MANY of the lost LDS people.
Are we not seeing persecution for ALL Christians more and more? What makes you think it won't intensify for everyone and anyone not bowing down to the 'agenda'
@@GoogleUser-pt9bt The Bride is gone. It's just us. At least for a little while longer. I think you should go spend some time with your family and let them know much you love them. Have a great day.
Geez it only comes from within the church from it’s own members! That’s the gnarly part :/ but i guess scripture said that would happen too. People seem to ignore that part
* The Scriptures reveal details of the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ we LDS do not talk about. But consider… Before our Lord returns the man of sin/son of perdition must be revealed. (2 Thessalonians 2) The Scriptures speak of the Saints gathering at Adam-ondi-Ahman. (D&C 116) And the Keys of the Kingdom will be given to Adam under the direction of Jesus Christ. (D&C 78:16) Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. (Daniel 7:22) The apostle, Paul, talks of this gathering... Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, … for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (2 Thessalonians 1, 3) We know the falling away has happened and the Gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored then enters the son of perdition. The Saints know sons of perdition can only be Church members holding all the rites of the Priesthood of God but using the Priesthood against God, as did Judas. Who, therefore, is this son of perdition Paul warns of? It could be none other than the current Mormon prophet, Who sits in the temple of God and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped… (false grandpa gods) And the Saints believing in false grandpa gods allows this in that the Saints believe God our Heavenly Father was created by a being greater than Himself, grandpa god, and so on and so on forever. This belief says our God is an infinitely lesser God. Therefore, the first commandment God gave Moses is, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Does reason tell us God would command we have no other gods before Him but really there are gods before Him? No. The commandment is given because there are no gods before the God of Israel. Believing in gods before the God of Israel this allows Lucifer to exalt himself above the stars of God spoken by Isaiah saying these false grandpa gods have other universes above the stars of God. Only Lucifer and the son of perdition want to be above God. All Scripture condemns the belief in there being gods before the God of Israel and the entire summary of the Old Testament is, There are no Gods before the God of Israel. The God of Israel is not an infinitely lesser God leaving Lucifer nowhere to go. And the Lord warns us in Doctrine and Covenants speaking to the Church leadership, Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord; First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord. (D&C 112:24-26) And Peter saw this judgment spoken of in the Doctrine and Covenants saying, … For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17) And until the man of sin/son of perdition is revealed, there will be no gathering of the Saints at Adam-ondi-Ahman. And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. (2 Thessalonians 2:6) And what is withholden? The Coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ. For the man of sin/son of perdition will be revealed and removed, …until he be taken out of the way. (2 Thessalonians 2:7) While that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning. (D&C 85:8) But the prophet, Joseph Smith, taught this false doctrine of grandpa gods so the Scripture could be fulfilled God saying, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (2 Thessalonians 2:11) The Scriptures reveal things the naked eye cannot discern. God is Christ. Christ is the Most High God. And His title is not a lie. Why would our Lord return to Saints who believe He is an infinitely lesser God? That a being greater than Himself created Him? (Hebrews 6:13) That His title The Most High God is a lie?
All I can get from your post is that you practice some form of break off Mormonism. It's a bizarre post. You used scriptures, all of which, I am familiar. The difference is you use them in a way that is completely foreign to our system of thought. If you are not an RLDS, fundamentalist, etc., then I definitely don't understand your position because you appear to be arguing two different sides of an argument based on which point you need to make. Your post makes claims about the church that are patently and demonstrably not true and then you argue against those points. That is called a straw man argument. Anyhow, best of luck to you.
@@kellerclements8059 You’re being vague. What is bizarre? The prophet, Joseph Smith, said, and I paraphrase, a son of perdition must be a Church member holding all the rites of the priesthood of God and use that power against God, as did Judas. Now, if a son of perdition must be a Church member and the apostle, Paul, warns us of this person in the latter-days, who other than the current Mormon prophet could Paul be talking about? Do you know of another true Church of Jesus Christ that has temples? Call that bizarre if you’d like but unless you can say who else Paul is talking about, your comment lacks intelligence. Do you believe there are greater gods than the God of Israel? Good luck to you believing in false gods before the God of Israel. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (Exodus)
@@paulgreco5419 It is your argument. You have to make an argument from one side of a subject to make a coherent argument. I think you are trying to make an argument of internal inconsistencies but you have to do that from within the framework of the actual argument. That is why it is bizarre. You also seem to be hinting that we place other gods before god, which we don’t. We worship the Father and his son Jesus Christ. We worship no other gods. That is what makes this some kind of weird vascilating internal, external strawman argument. Maybe I would understand your position better if I knew your own position and you cut back on your sarcasm. It is very hard to distinguish in text.
@@kellerclements8059You say a lot of nothing you do know that, correct? Call that sarcasm if you want, it’s true. You avoid answering the question, If a son of perdition must be a Church member and the apostle, Paul, warns us of this person in the latter-days, who other than the current Mormon prophet could Paul be talking about? Do you know of another true Church of Jesus Christ that has temples? Also, you say we worship no other gods. That is not the point. Thou shalt have no other gods before me, our God said. If you believe there are gods before Him whether you worship them or not, you believe our God is an infinitely lesser God, you do know that, right? Your attack on how an argument should proceed is saying a lot of nothing. Please talk doctrine. Sounding like you’re a teacher of argument avoids the real discussion. Why do you believe our God is an infinitely lesser God? Because the son of perditions wants you to?
@@paulgreco5419 I think this may just be a language barrier. I will try though. No the prophet is not the only person who can be a son of perdition. Cain was not a prophet. Judas was not a president. That kind of takes the wind out of your argument. It has to do with knowing god exist and then hunting the Lord’s anointed. That doesn’t fit with your argument at all. So your argument doesn’t make sense. It arguing against a religion that doesn’t exist. The other thing is you argue some kind of infinitely small God which is a term completely foreign to my religion. Having no Gods before him is a statement of hierarchy not chronology. You have made a lot of rude arguments against a religion that doesn’t exist. That is a strawman argument. I use that term because it is the name of a logical fallacy which shows an argument to be weak. It is the basis of Western linear thought. It isn’t me saying a bunch if nothing. Anyhow, Christ is King. The unity is coming soon enough and error will be purged. So rejoice in the future unity of the body of Christ. He is coming soon.
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