@@PaulHarrell is the recoil significantly more with .357 sig than .40S&W? I recall in the 9mm vs .40 video you said the degree of recoil of those two, while not the same, was not significantly different. Thank you.
@@PaulHarrell This brings up an important issue: how good an idea is it to use a loudly-reporting round for self-defense particularly when you're going to be indoors, maybe even retreated to a small, barricaded room/bathroom with your 357sig pointed at the door. Do you go into indoor environs with ear plugs in your ears already? What state will your ears and those of others near you be if you start firing these high pressure rounds?
Michael Lindquist , I hit right in the middle of the LED screen. Wish I had a camera on... I could have made it funny, but I was so pissed at the time.
I'm British and as such have never even seen a handgun being fired in person. however due to paul and watching his channel I now understand more about bullet velocity, grain, calibre and what a hollow point is. Oh and I know what a meat target is. 😃
Get a gun. It is fun, even with the extremely stilted way you can enjoy them in the UK. The more people that try it, the more "normal" it seems. I can say that very rigid ranges will give you a limited perspective on practical use, but some is better than none.
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I ran into a Brit that was hiking on the Appalachian trail here in the US. Like you, he never seen or handled a handgun in person. I changed that! I let him fire my Glock. He was thrilled and kept the spent shell casing as a souvenir.
I hope it grows in popularity. It would have to have diminished in order to make a statement of a possible comeback. It looks to me more like it reached a point where it had a small cult following, not growing or shrinking. I have a pair of Sig 239s in 357 and my Glock 22 was what made me a fan back in the mid 90s with a BarSto 357 sig barrel. Depending on my mood I also carry one of my 10mms instead. These two rounds just seem to shoot better in my hands.
Hjerte Verke, I know, I was trying to be funny, but it fell flat kinda. I know nothing about a Tokarev and thanks to you I learned it's a bottleneck. What is the rim diameter?
I don't like watching the chronograph test, but if Paul is going to put in the work, I am going to watch, least I can do. Besides, you never know when he will throw a dry joke in there, and I wouldn't wanna miss it.
@carpe diem I heartily agree, I mean more all the criticism and nonsense we hear from all the caliber cucks out there who parrot those innane chants of ".357 Sig is just a +P 9mm," or "there is no difference in effectiveness between the common handgun calibers," or "surgeons can't tell the difference in caliber by the wound," all of which are ridiculous. The .357 Sig DOES make a wider and deeper wound channel, and I have shot enough deer with .357 Sig and .45 GAP (230gr Gold Dot handloads at 890fps), and seen enough shot with 9mm to know that neither the 9mm nor .45 are in the same league as the .357 Sig, as far as wound channel, speed of incapacitation, and general trauma.
If you ever want to piss everyone around you off, get the SIG 1911 Fastback Nightmare in 357 and watch every tacticool mall ninja and fudd have an aneurysm.
@@patrick6935 Actually, that really wasn't it for me. My do-everything handgun was and is a Gen 4 Glock 31, but I shoot He Man-division in 3-gun, and you need something with a .45" or larger bore for that division, and so to keep a maximum of parts commonality and so the gun would feel identical in my hand (exact same frame and trigger), I got a new-in-box Gen 4 Glock 37 for $300 out the door. I subsequently found it to be impossibly easy to shoot and excellent.
ferna2294 I wish he would have shown the case head and primer for signs of pressure. I have a M&P in 357 sig... But I’m slightly petrified to run the Underwood and Buffalo bore through it.🙄👍
@@BillMcGirr Oh, no doubt about it. It´s an expensive round and the pressures that it handles makes it even more expensive. I have read about that. A lot of users have concerns about this round in terms of longevity of the barrel.
ferna2294 For sure... And while most experts agree that manufacturers have watered down the round from the performance it was designed to deliver. I hand load so price isn’t a factor. But I should really get a chronograph and work my way up looking for pressure signs. Plus I can only really find Winchester white box locally for a reasonable price. Would have been nice to see Paul test that as well.👍
@@BillMcGirr That´s right. It depends on your preferences. For example 10mm auto has been extremely watered down, but there are heavier duty barrels that can withstand Buffalo Bore´s hottest loads, and the hottest handloads you can get. However, I assume they are more expensive.
Eh. I think most people will look at the price of ammo and stick to their 9mm and people looking for the hottest in bear-blasting, polymer handgunnery will stick to the 10mm. I love the cartridge though. Just gotta get some reloading dies so I can afford to shoot it as much as I'd like.
@@cristianespinal9917 That would be the most Cost Effective way, .357sig doesn't come cheap. As far as Glock goes, I like the ability to change calibers from .40s&w to .357sig with the change of a barrel tho. That's pretty Versatile!
@Ethan Mac Actually I did, and although it's an impressive round, it's really not very practical to carry. There are other calibers that will accomplish the same result without the harshness exuded on the guns frame.
While I do agree with you, Shane, I think what Mr. Wilson's incredible shot *should have* reminded us of is the importance of regular, diligent, practice and the old adage that bullet placement trumps everything else (at least everything else within reason, perfect bullet placement with a pellet pistol may not have resulted in the same outcome, obviously). Semper Fi, TreeTop
It's got some downsides too. Big noise, big flash, heavy recoil due to high pressures, and favoring longer barrels most likely. You get .355" projectiles and .40" magazine capacity.
I own a Glock 22 in 40 caliber. I saw a video recently that all you have to do is take the barrel out of the Glock 22 and get a 357 Sig Barrel,..drop it in and thus a 357 Sig. Without having to change out the magazines!
Oh heck no. They are far too valuable for that. I mostly just get them out and rub and polish on them. Sometimes I scatter a hundred or so loose rounds on my bed and roll around on them in euphoria.
It's nice to see someone devoting some attention to the .357 SIG after so many have declared it dead. A police agency I worked with was an early adopter of the cartridge, and it was interesting to me that the first Speer Gold Dot 125 grain cartridges we received back then chronographed at 1.450 FPS. Speer ultimately reduced this to 1,350 FPS nominal velocity after input on recoil from LE agencies and based on further testing. The Federal HST 125 grain load is also at 1,350 FPS out of my P226. It penetrates about an inch less in gel than the Gold Dot and expands a little more, but both are excellent loads. The Gold Dot is just designed to be slightly more "barrier blind". Both loads are super accurate in my three guns that shoot the cartridge.
I imagine he gets multiple uses out of the t-shirts and fleece; just rotates and refolds the layers til he gets to a portion that doesn't have holes in it and shoots it again. Then again many projectiles fail to penetrate the high tech fleece backstop...
@@remasteredretropcgames3312 I still laugh at "And i assure you, i have the requisite amount of bling to fire a weapon such as this, and zooms out into rings and a pimp coat"
Paul is just like the USPS. “Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.” Emphasis on “rounds”.
USPS doesn't follow that philosophy anymore. Now it's. "If I see any excuse to skip your mailbox, I will." They won't deliver if there is a car within 15' of the box now in my city. Right now USPS has competition, and isn't as necessary as it used to be. Further, they can't keep up with the free market, especially while using unionized government workers. I honestly think they ought to be privatized. Govt should specify how addresses work, then keep out of the way.
Extremely relevant video considering how many people must be googling "what gun did Jack Wilson use" or something along those lines. Interesting and informative as always.
@@johnski4709 no doubt about that and I wouldn't disagree. Just saying, a lot of new shooters or just folks who wanna carry what a hero carries have been looking up what caliber/gun he used to end that p.o.s.
My EDC is a G32. This video gave me a good deal of comfort with my ammo selection. But having used it on refilled milk jugs, I was pretty comfortable already. Thanks for the excellent work.
Basically, all defense ammo out of the .357 Sig is effective at defensive ranges. Something he didn’t stress is the fact that Underwood Extreme Defender is blind to barriers. It will perform better than the others through denim and glass and metal. Also, it has more manageable recoil than the heavier ammo. If he shot his mock-up target after passing through barriers it becomes quite apparent. Love the .357 Sig!
I love the tedious chronograph tests. Test on Paul. Ok now that I watched it's another good one. I don't own a 357 sig but still found this very interesting.
Great video! I've been carrying .357 SIG quite often over the years since I picked up my first 229 in the mid 90's. I've been using Speer GDs as the default carry load. While I've always heard a lot of folks talk about the Underwood rounds, the all around consistency of the GDs, ( velocity, grouping/accuracy, terminal performance, etc, ) has always been a selling point for me.
I bought my SIG P239 in .357 SIG back in 2003. I'm using Galloway Precision +1 bases and It's loaded with Underwood. It's always been heavy for size but it really soaks up the recoil. One of my favorite carry guns. Also, I have the Underwood with the Gold Dot but they also have one that almost looks like a Golden Saber but without the angled cuts. That's what I'm currently using. 5 shot average is 1,491 fps.
It was interesting to see the big flash from the Remington ammo, no flash from the Speers but more smoke. I don't own a 357sig but have heard people complain about the muzzle flash. Your chronograph testing showed more than FPS. Thank you Paul.
Another benefit of the xtreme defender is its ability to (in many calibers) defeat IIIA and below armor. With armor becoming so cheap and readily available I think that an armored mass shooter is a threat (however unlikely) that we should maybe consider when choosing defense ammo. Would love to see you perform some more armor tests one day.
Thanks Paul! My choice for edc/personal protection is a G32 with Underwood 357SIG 125g bonded jhp. Look forward to your informative, logical comparisons.
Paul. In my humble and very experienced opinion, the chronograph testing is vital information demonstrating in real time, true weapon specific muzzle velocities, standard deviation in velocities for cartridge / caliber and overall cartridge specific performance. Ergo, not tedious from an inclusive informational perspective. Thanks for your videos and hard work. This old firearms and tactics trainer, retired soldier and now retired cop enjoys all aspects of your informative presentations.
It's an overated test since the box is usually pretty good at letting you know the fps and the meter often has errors because it'll never be as reliable as a high speed camera
Paul please leave in the chronograph footage in all future vids, I love it thumbs up, oh and please excuse me if I stay with my Ruger SP101 for conceal carry. Thanks.
I currently have a .357 sig firearm, & I thank you Paul for testing out the different brands. I have a better idea of my next purchase for my own testing.
Another example of your wisdom helping us to make intelligent decisions. Thank you for taking the time to think out your comments. I disagree with the point of impact conclusion. If it performs better against the intended target, then adjust or change the sights. A gunsmith can help if necessary.
Good video. One tidbit regarding Glock sights. While they are fixed, they offer the rear sights in four different heights. IIRC each sight changes the point of impact at 25 yards by 3", so you have kind of a rough adjustment in a 12" range. You can tell which sight height you have by the lines on the side of the rear sight, and Glock offers them in both polymer for really cheap, and steel for pretty cheap. So if you wanted to adjust elevation for the hot Underwood ammo, you could do it pretty easy.
I love my Glock 33 in .357 Sig. I love the HST through my particular gun. But it is good to see there are other options out there. Some I haven't tested yet. Thanks Paul, another great vid.
Lol at 3:46 you can visibly see Paul do a mental "double-take" at the numbers that the Underwood ammo was putting out. It surprised me too, Underwood is nasty stuff.
My P229 in 357Sig has 10,786 rounds thru it representing 191 offerings! I have 81 more loads to try. I carry Federal HST. If those become unavailable, I will probably go with Gold Dots. Winchester Rangers have been accurate and would probably do a good job, but I have had a couple weird instances with Winchester that make me shy away from it!! Love me the 357Sig...Just had my 2340 out this last weekend!
I carry a Glock 32c in 357Sig, I use Sig V-Crown ammo. I reload for 357Sig and much other types of ammo, so never a shortage for me. And yes, I practice with the Sig V-Crown ammunition on a semi regular basis.
I've always been the kind of person who shys away from the "standard 9mm", but why would someone choose this round over it? Velocity is def higher, but the meat target says performance is on par with 9mm. I've not shot it before, but the recoil looks more substantial as well.
I always like the way you're one of the few that remembers some of us live in areas with restrictions, and or have our own personal limitations. Most channels aren't that thorough. I'm also getting more and more respect for Remington green and white box. I've used it in the past and thought it was elcheapo, but it isn't. Load my own now anyway, but this is all still interesting.
Scotty Douglass Hmmm, I've never really thought about that. I prefer my own because it's more accurate, and the load I use shoots so soft, but with decent velocity. I target shoot a lot, but maybe you're right about defence.
I like hearing the blast, then you read the velocity ! By the sound you can tell when the next round has a greater velocity or not !! DO NOT CHANGE A THING !!! THANK YOU !! Obvious the higher velocity the less accurate.
Great segment Paul ~ Love the volume of the mix .357 sig loads ~ I carry my HK P2000 .357 sig Also optional .40 S&W spare barrel unit... Load > Winchester Ranger Talon 125 grn JHP I love the Win TALON bullet expansion claw formation projectile from Winchester ~ Also the Federal HST 125 grn JHP L.E. Ammo Both loads a tad over 1400 FPS on both...
I like watching the tedious chronograph parts. I get to see how consistent the various ammo brands are. If I watch over and over, sometimes I’ll skip it. I get to be the judge!
Thanks Paul. Clearly a roll your own cartridge, the point to the 357 Sig is certainly only a 9mm improved performance, it's a cartridge for serious work, if it does not penetrate level 3A it hits the soft stuff hard enough to make a serious impression. As far as I've seen a debilitating one.
Liking and commenting before I even hit play. Exactly the video I need from Paul. Just bought a used 95ish era p229 and LOVE it so far. Replacing springs and guide rod and likely getting an extra barrel. Only downside is ..as Paul may say, 357 sig ammo is prohibitively expensive.
Notice the flash on the Remingtons during the chronograph test. Compare to the rest showing little to no flash. The flash suppressant powders used in premium defense ammo works. Even in the hot Underwood loads.
This will be good to watch. Currently running up a load in my Sig P320 in .357SIG with hot handloads to be my other EDC alongside my .G21 Gen4. Will be very interesting what is out there from hot manus like Underwood and Regulars like SIG and how that compares to my hot handloads. Will be interesting to see Gold Dot vs XTP as well along with 124 vs 147
levi blankenship while I may because I like how Sigs are built, the flexibility to go from .45ACP to .357SIG to 9mm with the same FCU is invaluable. Not to mention I can make my own FCU and it’s never tracked or registered.
@@kimberlysimmons5802 That is also my favorite 10mm round after trying many from Underwood and others. It is like Goldilock's "Just right" cup of porridge for me. Startling performance.
@@ekinne yeah I hear ya, the thing is for me I'm not worried about penetration I want maximum energy dump. I have carry the 135 grain Spears for a little bit too I like those as well especially in the summer
I enjoy the chronograph tests, it’s cool to see your reactions, and for me to form my own conclusions before you break down the numbers. Thanks for leaving it in.
My agency issued the 357 Sig for twelve years and I was a firearms instructor. I developed hearing issues and started using double ear protection. Lotta bang associated with the 357 Sig.
You have to protect yourself the crazies and the evil ones are out there. So sad they feel the need to kill good people. The Texas church shooting about 3 years is part of why I started buying firearms. I wont be cattle and neither should you!
For everyone that may believe 'double ear protection' is additive or a sum of the reduction of noise. It is NOT. Sound is measured on a logarithmic scale, using decibels. Which literally means 1/10th of a Bel. In order to determine the actual sound reduction of double ear protection, you would need sophisticated measuring devices. However, a quick and dirty method is, take the NRR number (in dB) of whichever product is highest and add +5 to it. Then subtract seven, and divide by two and that will be the total db reduction (approximately). ex, using Howard Leight ear plugs with NRR of 33. Add +5. (38-7)/2 = ~15.5 db attenuation. Essentially 2.5db better than just the ear plugs themselves. You might not think 2.5db is a lot, but it actually represents nearly a 'halving' of sound power. Logarithmic, remember?
Federal ammo et al says 2,200fps, but it seems that’s not a firm necessity. It’s because the bullet starts damaging more that the tissue it actually crushes, ie it becomes rifle damage, which has a much greater chance of incapacitating.
Thanks for the info Paul... About 6 it 7 months ago my cousin went to Sportsman Warehouse for 357 mag ammo... Some how he ended up with " Sig Arms 357 Sig" ammo... Sportsman Warehouse refused to exchange it and since I had a ton of 357 reloads our trip to the range went on as planned... Since my cousin has four boxes of ammo he can't use or exchange he used it as an excuse to buy a 357 sig...👍😁😂
