I adore Pete Best. He always comes over as a compassionate and caring fellow as well as being good-looking, which never hurts! He is articulate and has a lovely voice.
All of John's struggles in life stemmed from constant traumatic personal loss from the time that he was a small child. How he managed to overcame all of this and accomplish so much in his short life is incomprehensible to me.
@@lucasoheyze4597 His father left when he was three, his mother left him alone and crying at night so often when he was a child that his aunt had to take custody of him. He could not visit his mom, even though she lived close by. Then his beloved uncle died when he was 15 and his mother died shortly after reestablishing a relationship with him. He may have been THE textbook case of Borderline Personality Disorder. It is actually a biological result of this kind of trauma done to the brain, the symptoms of which he played out in public for the whole world to see. And he would not have understood this himself, which must have been incredibly painful and confusing. What a guy to overcome this to the extent that he did!
@@RedBarchetta910 Amen! For all of the people out there who hate John. John had such a hard life. He lost so many people whom he loved and while still a young man. I am sure that he did the best that he could and gave the world some of the best music, to boot!✌
Send me back in a time machine to the year 1961, the Cavern Club in Liverpool to see The Beatles perform live. Pete Best is one of the luckiest men alive to have to have been a member of the band .
clearcoat2000. The other 3 Beatles were also lucky to have him, they needed a drummer at that time, and it was him and noone else, regardless of what happened in the past. John, Paul, and George were jealous and ungrateful pricks towards him, all the girls loved him back in the days
He is a good guy,humble,friendly....believe me,I've met him in 2002, and I think that he's the only Beatle that has kept talking about Stuart Sutcliffe when he's playing with his band, I don't know if the other Beatles, after the split up of the group, used to talk to the public of the contribution that Stuart gave during the period spent with the most famous musicians of the world. But we Beatles fans will never forget the man from Scotland!
Stu was a most important early member of the Beatles. His untimely death, at a very young age, was a most unfortunate tragedy. And from the account that Pete Best gives us here, John Lennon was profoundly grieved of his death.
Prob the least most important. How about Lennon. Wow. Even Best played a bigger role than Stu. Astrid woudl have filmed them regardless Becuase klaus turned her on
Gary Fletcher That’s okay. Hire a session man for records, the nice guy friend for the gigs. The girls liked him. Jealousy? Dennis Wilson was not a Wizard on the drums. He played the gigs, session men did the studio work. The girls liked him also.
Stuart actually died the day before, HOURS before they had arrived. ...Also, John didn’t kill Stuart, no matter how much Pauline may believe. They discovered it was a hereditary defect/condition in the Sutcliffe family that caused his headaches and eventual hemorrhage.
@@25756881 his sister, who was the person who made this theory years later. Suspicious how she proposed this shortly after John's death, so he wasn't able to defend himself. I think she just did it so she could sell her brother's diary for a fortune after she claimed it held evidence of John causing his death. It didn't.
After finding out about Stu's death and that he died at 21, I was sad. Still young... But what makes it sadder is that The Beatles were supposed to see him and Astrid, but he died just a couple of days before meeting them. And I really felt bad for the band, and Astrid as well.
It's a shame that he died so young. As a bass player myself, I still look up to him even though his bass skills were pretty basic. I like him more as a person then a bassist. I'm not sad that he quit the Beatles, I'm sad that he died at 21 years old. I can't imagine how Astrid felt when he died, she was like 23 or 24 and had to live the rest of her life without the love of her life. Also, I don't think John beat him up. I heard that Stu got in a fight back in 1961 at the Kaiserkeller but the other Beatles defended him. But apparently he never went to the hospital to get an X-ray. RIP Stu
@@tetrahedron1000A lot of nonsense came from the Albert Goldman book. He had stories in that book from hearsay sources, and without any sources at all. Terrible book.
There is an old and most definitely lie going around that John beat up Stu and that was the reason for Stu's death. It is utter nonsense. John idolised Stu and vice versa. The band were "Jumped" late at night by a gang and Stu being the slightest and most gentle was the one who took the big kicking from which he eventually died. As someone has mentioned John beat up Bob Wooler because he suggested that John was having a gay relationship with Brian Epstein. John had nothing against gay people and admired Brian. He also tried to encourage Brian to be more open about being gay (not that easy in those days) and it was the lie that got Bob the kicking and nothing else.
also john really did let brian give him a handsy, and john said he wished he found a man he was compatible with because he was attracted to them, he wished he could have fallen in love with a man
Stu was beaten up years before, by Teddy Boys. They kicked him in the head with steel tipped boots. That was enough to cause a slow moving problem, that finally killed him.
John suffered a lot of early loss in his youth, his dad vanishing after the war, his uncle George dying, his mother killed by a drunk driver and close friend Stu.
He sounds so much like John and George, it’s eerie. He may not have fit in personality wise, but he definitely “sounds” like a Beatle. I only wish we could hear what Stu sounded like too.
Iv'e seen lot of comments of people who claims that Stuart's death was produced by Lennon. Some people need to feed of pure myths, hyperbolic facts and directly lies. Lennon and Sutcliffe had they drunken argues and frictions, but Astrid said herself that John never beat up Stu, the only fight that everyone remembers in which Stuart was severly beaten was by a gang of Teddy Boys in Liverpool, not Germany. In that street fight, Sutcliffe was kicked badly in the head, which was the begining of the end for him. Lennon was a violent guy in those times, everyone knows, but i believe to his close ones (and close to Stuart) that he never beat hardly to Stu. The rest of the stuff it's just more drama to add to the story and give more myths issues and all that kind of dark gossip.
Yet Stu himself told the story of the John beating. Yoko years later told her friends that John had guilt for the rest of his life about it as he had kicked him with steel pointed boots. Paul was the one who stopped it.
@The SNES Man Possibly both in regards the beating/uppers. I will add that I've never heard of the John/Stu fight either. The Teddy Boys, some of them anyway, were known for wearing shoes with steel toes to make it easier to kick someone's head in.
@@kennymilne6817 We only have Pauline Sutcliffe's word that Stu told her the story of the John beating. I don't know where you got the story about Yoko and I would be interested to see the source.
When you ask what happened to Stu, everybody seems to have their own story. Some say it was a medical condition, others say it was drug abuse, many suspect homicide, ( and quite a few even suspect John!) Whatever the case, I hope his family finds the coverage they need.
@The SNES Man Brain injuries CAN take years to kill you. So I don't have a problem with this gap. It is possible that his death and the attack are unrelated and that he had an aneurysm or something congenital, but the attack does seem the most likely culprit. A tumour is believed to have grown at the base of his brain at the site of the injury which eventually killed him.
No, there’s very little mystery about Stu’s cause of death. He died of a blood clot on the brain, the result of a cerebral hemorrhage. According to Lewisohn, the Liverpool attack was unrelated. He was examined several times subsequently. And certainly John had less than nothing to do with it!
Stuart Sutcliffe was the lost Beatle, and Pete Best the forgotten Beatle. Legend has it neither of them had enough talent. Stuart never had the intention to pursue his career as a bassist/musician and really wanted to carry on as an art painter, he died at a very young age due to a brain hemorrhage. Pete on the other hand was very anxious and knew the band was going places but was sacked right before the Beatles' big break. (No disrespect to Ringo though, he was and still is an excellent drummer).
The Beatles first drummer was a 35 year old named Tommy Moore he went on the road with them on their first tour of Scotland and for the first couple of days they called themselves the silver Beatles. He quit after there was an auto accident and an amplifier knocked his teeth out linen went to the hospital and Drug him out to play the gig anyway also because he was so much older than them linen was said to have picked on him. He went back to work at the bottle Factory when he returned to Liverpool. His name for the most part has been lost to history but he still has his place as the first drummer of The Beatles
This guy was the Beatle we never Got! He was a Beatle that decided to take a break to paint and died...Funny how Destiny works! He was about to conquer the world and then dies..its a powerful! Thought! What could have been! A true poet...
Stu was a painter not a bassist, Paul want him out of the band, but John want him cause is was his best friend and both had the dream of create a rock band before Paul,George and Pete, but Stu love 🎨 art more than been a musician
Nice to know that they all 'turned round' presumably to face each other. There is so much turning round in Pete's life that it is hard to keep track on which way everybody is facing.
I've seen many pics of the five Beatles in Hamburg, but I've never seen a pic with Pete and Stuart even next to each other. I wonder if they interacted at all.
People dump on Stu's bass work but he was a guitarist who was asked to play bass. Paul made the same switch later and George Martin had doubts about Paul's bass playing, too. It takes time to grow.
John Paul George Ringo. Similar but not the same. Mick and Keith were jealous of Brian, and that is because Brian Jones was the most popular of the stones, so instead of helping him with his drug addiction, Mick and Keith decided to fired him from the band, and that also contributed to Brian's drug overdose in his home in the swimming pool.
Werewolf O. London, Esq. As much as I dislike to agree with you, you are right. Show business is a hell of a game, either play your role or don't, but you can't have both.
"She turned around and said " is a common circumlocution for "she said in return," or "she responded." It should not be taken literally to imply a movement.
I’m a bass player and believe me a drummer that DRAGS like best is a bass players nightmare.The best drummer I worked with were session players.They had to be right on the money!
There is a story that Stu and John had a fight in which John ended up kicking Stu in the head several times. Not long after this, Stu died. Makes you wonder, but ultimately, we'll never know.
John Lennon did have a violent confrontation with a fellow at the birthday party for Paul Mcartney's 21st birthday. The incident came out in a newspaper and Brian Epstein made Lennon call the guy to apologise, as well as pay him off to keep silent. Also, there are videos on RU-vid showing Lennon getting very angry at people. ...It is a possibility that in some stupid dispute with Stu Lennon hit him, but we will never really know.
John wasn't working class! In 1959 nobody from the working classes went to art college. Jesus it was shipyards or mining or labouring if you were lucky. I'm a big Beatle fan, none of these boys were truly working class.
John wasn't working class but the other three most definitely were. Paul's dad's family were Irish immigrants a few generations removed, his father left school at 14 and worked delivering cotton and as a part-time musician. He lived in a council house and even at 64 Jim McCartney was only earning £10 a week in 1966, equivalent to £200 in 2018 when Paul bought him a house and paid for his retirement. Both George and Ringo were raised in little back to back terraced houses, I've seen them.
@@thebaobabs206 - No the guy who left the original post is a typical English bigot. Damian Hurst grew up on a council estate, David Hockney's family were working class. Many great artists come from working-class backgrounds and go on to art school. He's just a typical English bigot or a snob and thinks that only rich white people achieve things in life. I could put a massive list of people from working-class backgrounds that went to art or drama school and became famous. I despise this snobbery and it is just total BS.
She was Stuart Sutcliffe’s girlfriend that he met while the Beatles were in Hamburg. She was a photographer that is responsible for majority of pictures of we see from that period en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrid_Kirchherr
As has been said already, John didn’t kill Stu Sutcliffe. The haemorrhage was the result of a beating he took in the toilets of a hall in early-1961 and came after a period of already declining health. The band (except Pete) were also on Preludin at the time which would’ve exacerbated the violent headaches. It should also go without saying that John and Stu were very close friends and the only member of the band who fought Sutcliffe was McCartney (Sutcliffe was already in ill health by then). Stop trying to turn Lennon into Satan when he was just a very troubled teenage thug at the time.
Yes, John telepathically induced a brain aneurysm in the guy he idolized to the point of knowing he was a shit bassist but still wanting him in the band anyway.
The film Backbeat is LOADED with historical inaccuracies! That scene was just one of them. Stu was actually jumped outside of Lathom Hall in Liverpool in early 1961 after a Beatles gig. Stu was alone when some Liverpool thugs jumped him. It was John Lennon and Pete Best that ran to fight and defend Stu once they realized he was under attack. Backbeat was a terrible film, but it had a great soundtrack.
I saw the movie Backbeat which is about the relationship between John, Stuart and Astrid. It was a movie based on interviews with Stuart's mother and sister and with Astrid. There is a scene in the movie where John beats up Stuart outside a club, kicking him in the head when he's down. I got the impression the movie implied it was John's violent assault on Stuart that night which accounted for his severe headaches and random collapses and eventual death from cerebral haemorrhage. One can only conclude that John technically murdered Stuart, if what happened is true, and considering the movie is based on interviews with Stuart's mum, sister and Astrid, you're going to believe it to be true. I've also read John beat up his first wife Cynthia.
@Myrt Myrtle. The assault by John on Stuart was extremely vicious and not like in the movie.. The fight you talk about is correct also but much earlier. In those Hamburg days, John was totally out of control with drink and that made him very violent. McCartney knows the truth. He was there.
I think it's very possible that John kicked Sutcliffe in the head (which was the probable cause of his death later). It's interesting to consider the lyrics to "Instant Karma" written by John Lennon that was released eight years after Sutcliffe's death. I believe Lennon was very possibly writing to himself with the first stanza "Instant karma's gonna get you . Gonna knock you right on the head. You better get yourself together. Pretty soon you're gonna be dead." I have another theory that McCartney possibly wrote "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" as a subconscious way of getting some justice for Sutcliffe. Within the lyrics, the first character murdered is Joan (very similar to the name "John". At the time (or near the time) of Stuart's head injury the Beatles were called "The Silver Beatles". Was this a hint from the title Maxwell's "Silver" Hammer? Also, John hated the song and refused to participate in its creation. See aboutthebeatles.com/maxwells-silver-hammer. Personally, I would have hated the song too if it was incriminating me. Former Apple employee Tony King expanded on the song's meaning a little further in Steve Turner's book “A Hard Day's Write,” by relating a conversation he had with John concerning his song “Instant Karma.” “John told me that 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer' was about the law of karma. We were talking one day about 'Instant Karma' because something had happened where he's been clobbered and he'd said that this was an example of instant karma. I asked him whether he believed that theory. He said that he did and that 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer' was the first song that they'd made about that. He said that the idea behind the song was that the minute you do something that's not right, Maxwell's silver hammer will come down on your head.” “The song epitomizes the downfalls of life,” Paul explains in the “Beatles Anthology” book. “Just when everything is going smoothly - 'Bang! Bang!' - down comes Maxwell's silver hammer and ruins everything.” Sutcliffe's sister claimed that McCartney was the only eyewitness to John's assault of Sutcliffe. It looks like the only way for us to be more certain of the truth is for the possible only witness to come forward. That's highly unlikely to happen since they were very close friends. See www.beatlesebooks.com/maxwell Final thought - Many people believe that Lennon's opening words in "Come Together" are "shoot me". See www.beatlesebooks.com/come-together. He repeats "shoot me" four times before the first stanza of the song. Lennon was struck by four bullets that caused his death. Was this a form of "karma" being played out?
Stu died from a brain bleed which more than likely came from being slammed against a brick wallby(by anti-fans) after playing one night in Berlin..Paul witnessed or was in the fight...not certain but fairly certain.
The fact John broke down and cried like that in front of his mates completely ruins this whole hard man thing people say about him. When me and my mates were that age it would never of happened!! Would of just been like “oh shit oh well” in fact that’s what it was like!
No dummy. John wrote that about himself. He was also very posessive of Yoko's attention. One time, David Cassidy showed up, and John didn't like the attention that May Pang gave him.
@@garyfletcher844 thanks for the compliment, did you not know that John had a fight with stu and kicked him in his head? And please understand that i am asking a question not stating that he did or didn't write the song about stu
Think Pete could have come up with those drumming patterns, like a day in the life or day-tripper, and all those other great things he and George come up with on the spot would Pete of got better?... Left-handed drummer playing a right-handed kit thats how Ringo became the shit...
Nobody asks what happened to Pete after The Beatles dumped him. I mean this great looking guy with big talent should have had dozens of offers. Apparently he didn't get offers. Obviously did not have much talnet.
There is no evidence to that statement. He had a ton of health problems at that point including a "grumbling" appendix, a shadow on his lungs and near the digestive tract.
I have heard that as well. Apparently Lennon flew into a violent rage and beat Stu to the ground and kicked him repeatedly in the head. Stu Sutcliffe's sister confirms this.
clearcoat2000 - Not the case, Lennon and Stu were beaten up by a group of men outside of a pub because Lennon was mocking them. Stu suffered severe headaches from then on, not knowing he had a haemorrhage on the brain.
Never heard that story. On McCartney's twenty first birthday party Lennon nearly killed a man named Bob Wooler, with a shovel. Lennon had a long history of violent behavior with both men and women.
clearcoat2000 - Check out the film Backbeat, it's a pretty good account of what happened. Also Cynthia Lennon talks about it in her autobiography, it's a very good insight into John and Stu.
