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Peter Singer: Animal Equality 

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Description: Peter Singer argues that humans and animals share an important equality -- the capacity to suffer or to enjoy their lives.
This Carnegie Council event took place on October 6, 2011. For complete video, audio, and transcript, go to: www.carnegiecou...

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@ThePianofreaky
@ThePianofreaky 6 лет назад
The goal shouldn't be equality of treatment, but equality of moral consideration.
@Kento_nanami_the_2nd
@Kento_nanami_the_2nd 8 лет назад
This guys animal rights ideas or ideas of equality are so logical it's almost undeniable.
@josuelopez3308
@josuelopez3308 8 лет назад
+humanzeez4realz This "guy" also proposes by the same logic that it is totally ok to have sex with animals or children if they are not hurt.
@Kento_nanami_the_2nd
@Kento_nanami_the_2nd 8 лет назад
+Josue Lopez .....Where are you getting your facts?
@Kento_nanami_the_2nd
@Kento_nanami_the_2nd 8 лет назад
+Josue Lopez The logic you claim he proposes in no way fits with equality.
@josuelopez3308
@josuelopez3308 8 лет назад
humanzeez4realz I read that in Wikipedia where it speaks about his books
@josuelopez3308
@josuelopez3308 8 лет назад
***** I'll be honest with you, for an atheist, consequentialism is a very atractive philosophy to have some sort of morality. But I'm christian and thus, my morality comes directly from the God I believe in. But, I have to say, even if I was an atheist, I would have a problem with consequentialism because I do not see how it explains why hurting or making feel somebody bad is objectively wrong, perhaps consequentialism doesn't attemp to have objective morality, if that's the case then I would say to atheist to not take this line of thought just because when it is applied to animals and sex it really is antagonic with christianity. However I prefer an atheist that follows consequentialism than an atheist that judges moral accions with no basis at all, just some sort of sociological notion of morality which is heavily influencened on its roots by christianism.
@skywang9650
@skywang9650 2 года назад
I learned about animal right yesterday and this video just explained it way better.
@Clowddy
@Clowddy Год назад
thank you Peter
@Sloth7d
@Sloth7d 11 лет назад
I also don't think people should be allowed to screw animals, but I don't remember him ever saying that. I'll need to look that up. But there's no way for animals to meet the human burden of proving consent even if it did, in fact, consent to sex. Thus, it beastality should always be outlawed.
@johntindell9591
@johntindell9591 6 лет назад
Admirable
@taliamasino1198
@taliamasino1198 9 лет назад
no way to dissagree with this guy....nobody should slaughter and eat animals!!
@2002THEBOY
@2002THEBOY 3 года назад
lol
@2002THEBOY
@2002THEBOY 3 года назад
but we can kill baby in the womb
@farhantanvir7908
@farhantanvir7908 2 года назад
Brilliant singer !
@DentfreeEurope
@DentfreeEurope 6 лет назад
All Creatures deserve respect, to live free, free from being cruelly treated, abused, exploited and killed for food and any of their byproducts for Human use and consumption !!! ♥ 🎵🎶☮☯🎼🎧🎤🎼🎹🥁🎷🎺🎸🎻🌈♥❤💚💖👑👍🤘🤞 🧐🌱🐬🐞🦋🍀
@yumalimbu6974
@yumalimbu6974 3 года назад
Beautiful thought
@Kitten_Stomper
@Kitten_Stomper Год назад
Secular religion
@Kitten_Stomper
@Kitten_Stomper Год назад
If all animals are equal, then what do we do about animals that have to eat other animals and cause them suffering?
@Sloth7d
@Sloth7d 11 лет назад
Now, I do believe he's argued elsewhere that infants whom he considers not "rationally-aware" should be given a "painless death" to keep consistent with his philosophy. My initial problem is that it's hard to confirm whether such a thing is possible in creatures that can feel pain. How does one confirm this for certain? I also have to go back to questioning how infants aren't "rationally-aware", because I think that seems wrong prima facie.
@MsGLULU
@MsGLULU 12 лет назад
tyyyyyyou SIR !
@livingdeadgrl18
@livingdeadgrl18 12 лет назад
very smart and admirable man.
@sevvalsimsek3191
@sevvalsimsek3191 3 месяца назад
Peter singer mükemmel birisi düşünceleri harika etkilendiğimi itiraf etmeliyim 🥹
@Ozrictentacle
@Ozrictentacle 11 лет назад
I find it incredibly hard to disagree with Peter Singer. All efforts are futile...
@veganevolution
@veganevolution 2 года назад
True. He's a true philosopher, distinctly superior in philosophical vigor than amateurs such as Noam Chomsky, or other practitioners of the hard and soft sciences.
@Kitten_Stomper
@Kitten_Stomper Год назад
It’s pretty easy to disagree with him actually. 😂😂
@rigelbloom-hy9pf
@rigelbloom-hy9pf 23 дня назад
@@Kitten_Stomper why cant you say something without an emoji? why reduce everything to mockery?
@ohiorizzler1434
@ohiorizzler1434 Год назад
He is mostly consistent but for one fundamental question that I do not yet understand. True, a painless death is needed. True that if a baby is not aware it does not hold status above an animal. But the main thing with the permissible baby-killing is 1. Is rational-awareness a provable concept, and 2. It is emotionally repulsive to euthanise live babies, and 3. This implies that a culture of killing will become prevalent.
@iraceruk
@iraceruk 4 года назад
Disappointing to hear Singer use the phrase "Humans AND Animals" - which, of course, is nonsensical. There is no such thing as "Humans AND Animals". "Humans and non-Humans" is the correct language to use when talking about our species in comparison to other species.
@MrScreaney
@MrScreaney 3 года назад
Exactly. This gets me every time.
@medicisounds1384
@medicisounds1384 Год назад
People forget we are animals too
@boxman_ninja0819
@boxman_ninja0819 4 года назад
In an alternate timeline a pack of lions are debating whether its ethical to rip a zebra to shreds and eat it for sustenance.
@domenikvalci7743
@domenikvalci7743 4 года назад
You are not a lion, you have options, you can eat plants. Stop overcomplicating things, just be vegan, it's that simple.
@ollielatimir7780
@ollielatimir7780 3 года назад
@@domenikvalci7743 no.
@jordanv3323
@jordanv3323 3 года назад
So when lions kill other lions, do you see this a relevant factor to consider when a human kills another human?
@sectorsweep14
@sectorsweep14 2 года назад
@@domenikvalci7743 nope, almost nobody cares that the animals suffer. that's life, get used to it.
@medicisounds1384
@medicisounds1384 Год назад
@@domenikvalci7743 yet that same lion would eat me.
@livingdeadgrl18
@livingdeadgrl18 11 лет назад
@VoiceofReason2112 Actually "voice of reason" he does a knowledge that a human infant is a human being. He denies that it is a person. It may be euthanized under certain circumstances. Stop misinterpreting his ideas. And, yes, I think he is one of the most admirable people on earth.
@Scorpioide
@Scorpioide 5 лет назад
Yeah I think that many people just intentionnaly misinterpret what he is saying about abortion and things like that... If you read some books of him, you should know that he is NOT encouraging infanticide. Actually, what matters is the freedom of animals. Infanticide is mostly an example to show the inconsistency in the specist point of view... not really a way to encourage abortion.
@maudlinmanify
@maudlinmanify 11 лет назад
Singer is quite aware that babies can feel pain, which is why he thinks that a baby's interests deserve consideration. He objects to the view that a being's interests deserve more consideration just because it is rationally aware.
@medicisounds1384
@medicisounds1384 Год назад
What of a baby in the womb? (Fetus) do they too, not have a future to look forward to?
@narendrasomawat5978
@narendrasomawat5978 Год назад
@@medicisounds1384 yes
@joekrige2673
@joekrige2673 8 месяцев назад
Immense patience from Ed.
@thefatfilo-oficer4332
@thefatfilo-oficer4332 8 лет назад
tune in next week where a panel of cows will chew the cud over gas emission
@PhoenixProdLLC
@PhoenixProdLLC 8 лет назад
Now, If most of you believe this, I trust your presence will be found at the next BLM protest??
@nathanrivas5024
@nathanrivas5024 6 лет назад
I love this man. The mass murder and consumption of nonhuman animals will be looked back on as worse than slavery. Keep up the fight for our nonhuman sisters and brothers in captivity!
@Kitten_Stomper
@Kitten_Stomper Год назад
No, it won’t. 😂😂
@rigelbloom-hy9pf
@rigelbloom-hy9pf 23 дня назад
@@Kitten_Stomper well here as well
@PaulWarren-dt1ms
@PaulWarren-dt1ms День назад
Yeah...from the perspective where pain, suffering and death have been mitigated we live in a sort of prehistoric time Still in a dark ages
@davidbailey7335
@davidbailey7335 4 года назад
Peter Singer has told us that on any fair comparison of morally relevant characteristics, like rationality, self- consciousness, awareness, autonomy, pleasure, pain, etc. the calf, the pig, and the much-derided chicken come out well ahead of the fetus at any stage of pregnancy. Any of those animals deserve more rights than an unborn child. 9.2 billion human animals by 2050? NOW at this time! much of the living world is sick. It's time for vasectomies on every continent. Friend says ha good luck with that
@medicisounds1384
@medicisounds1384 Год назад
Vasectomies? How about learning better safe sex skills and not be so irresponsible
@heartfeltteaching
@heartfeltteaching 2 года назад
Good thing Singer didn't encourage sex with animals here lol. His entire approach to this issue is based on unproven, anthropomorphic assumptions. Non-human animals clearly experience pain and suffer physically, but it's not clear that they suffer emotionally as a result. This means that human suffering, by comparison, is deeper. Nor is it clear how "a similar amount of pain" is supposed to be measured or assessed in a wide variety of non-human animals. There are animals that get eaten alive by carnivores and show no signs of physical pain, leaving human spectators to wonder whether the hippopotamus or impala being devoured even knows what's happening or rapidly goes into shock. Conversely, there are animals who seem like they' could be in a similar amount of physical pain as a human being, even though nothing painful is being done to them. I've got a nervous cat who hates going to the vet. The poor thing almost always defecates on the way there, and when the people at the clinic attempt to wipe him clean, he lets out the most awful, chilling scream, worse than the scream he makes if his tail or paw is accidentally stepped on. Further, it is bizarre to talk about non-human animals as though they have interests. They act purely on evolutionary instinct; humans, in contrast, act on evolutionary instincts, but also on significant freedom of the will, a crucial part of rational, moral agency, which is in turn directed toward certain interests. When a male dolphin forcibly copulates with a female dolphin, it simply does what evolution has programmed into him. He is not raping her. When a nomadic male lion kills all of the cubs of the ousted pride male(s), he is simply doing what evolution has programmed into lion sociality, and the infanticide serves an important evolutionary purpose. He is not murdering the cubs. When an eagle snatches a fish from the talons of another eagle, she is not stealing the fish. And so forth ... There is no moral accountability for animals precisely because, as far as we can tell, they have zero control over the range of possible behaviours their species exhibit. Human beings are clearly not limited in this way.
@monarchistfront1452
@monarchistfront1452 26 дней назад
Excellent point. Very insightful. *keeps chewing on burger and drinking milk*
@Sloth7d
@Sloth7d 11 лет назад
Very true. VoiceofReason fails his namesake by making such a blunder, here. But this is an issue where I think Prof. Singer loses some consistency with the reasoning of his ethical worldview. He has concluded that an infant is not yet a person because it isn't "rationally-aware" - which is questionable to say for sure - yet as he says in this video, if a living creature can experience pain like us, we have reasons to consider their suffering equally as we do our own. Well, babies CAN feel pain.
@HungryTacoBoy
@HungryTacoBoy 8 лет назад
How do we know if other animals can suffer or enjoy their lives the way humans can?
@i2pjd6hRw5P
@i2pjd6hRw5P 8 лет назад
You can see pigs and cows experience bereavement after losing their offspring. You can hear a pig screaming once the butcher enters the room. You can witness these animal's unmistakable reaction to their stressful living conditions.
@HungryTacoBoy
@HungryTacoBoy 8 лет назад
***** Yes, but how comparable is that to what humans experience? Do the cows and pigs possess the same level of consciousness that a human does? No. Do they fear what might be done to their own lives? Perhaps? Are they feeling fear for what might happen to other cows or pigs? Probably not. Do they wish they could say goodbye to their loved one? Do they imagine ways to get out of the situation? Are they able to calm themselves down and come to peace with the inevitable? Are they aware of their own mortality?
@i2pjd6hRw5P
@i2pjd6hRw5P 8 лет назад
Those are difficult questions, but I would imagine the answer to most of them is most certainly "yes." The sole fact that we are able to survive just fine without the consumption of meat has always been enough for me. It's unnecessary. If there is no justifiable reason to kill another sentient creature, why should we?
@HungryTacoBoy
@HungryTacoBoy 8 лет назад
***** If you want to say that humans and non-human animals are basically the same since your answers to my questions were 'yes', then predators (which humans are) eating pray (which other animals are) would be natural. It's part of how they survive. I feel that this is when you'll want to make distinctions between humans and animals.
@i2pjd6hRw5P
@i2pjd6hRw5P 8 лет назад
FractalBoy That would likely be a valid argument if we really were carnivorous predators. Without tools, we could not kill and skin the animals that we eat. Our teeth cannot pierce the raw hide of a cow like a real carnivore (i.e lion) could. Our bodies cannot consume raw meat without contracting sicknesses.
@juliennelson5703
@juliennelson5703 2 года назад
im just trynna eat some chicken every once in a while
@joekrige2673
@joekrige2673 8 месяцев назад
This young chap is quite entitled, I think.
@morganclare4704
@morganclare4704 7 месяцев назад
JESUS didn't die for animals. cheers
@StefanOsfit
@StefanOsfit 4 года назад
Would you eat meat after eating a salad.
@johnnyclash6990
@johnnyclash6990 8 лет назад
why is this man still a thing?
@GrishaKrivchenia
@GrishaKrivchenia 6 лет назад
Because he is articulate, patient, and thoughtful. He is also compassionate... he believes animals can feel pain as acutely as we can and that we have an obligation not to hurt them.
@miguelsobrevilla7673
@miguelsobrevilla7673 6 лет назад
Dog vs. GOD. He wins.
@tinman3586
@tinman3586 7 лет назад
Is this man Jewish?
@mnmmcg3543
@mnmmcg3543 4 года назад
Yes, his parents fled Austria to escape the Holocaust.
@gristly_knuckle
@gristly_knuckle 3 года назад
Nah. Yo, he’s straight hood, dawg.
@zhonny3143
@zhonny3143 4 года назад
Hope you don't step on a ant so called philthopher
@jondavidgriffin
@jondavidgriffin 7 лет назад
animal predators do not consider the rights of other animals before eating them so why should we?
@sophiequisling171
@sophiequisling171 7 лет назад
This is addressed in his essay "Equality for Animals"
@benediktk.8228
@benediktk.8228 6 лет назад
for the same reason you do not rape and kill members of your own species despite other animals do kill and rape .
@claritapaternostro
@claritapaternostro 6 лет назад
As a species that mass produces our food in a way in which we can survive perfectly fine on a vegetarian diet, it would be better for our environment and the well being of the planet's species for us to do so, since livestock take up so much land and water. Meat isn't needed for us to survive so we could spare animal suffering by mass production of livestock and destroying habitats to make way for the land used for livestock.
@serenity748
@serenity748 6 лет назад
because we have developed the capacity to reason and that enables us to put ourselfs in the position of other beeings or view the world from the perspective of the universe. animals can only act on their instincts and they HAVE TO eat other animals because they would die otherwise.
@emmat8678
@emmat8678 6 лет назад
Because we have a choice. What does what they do have to do with what we do?
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