Peter Sloterdijk & Slavoj Žižek | Festival INDIGO 2023 

thats a cool little Story and its great to hear

Wholesome, thanks.

Heartening indeed. I wonder whether the Internet, by killing paper and promoting self-expression, has also killed real thoughtful two-way communication.

@@nicholastaylor9398 seems to me to be unnecessarily pessimistic. After all, the Internet is what made that communication possible and easy.

I Remember that article. Published in Die Zeit. I was very upset About that article.

Según el psicoanálisis a todos nos hace falta algo, todos aparentan estar completos pero no es así...

I already spent more than 4 hours digesting this Edit: Nevertheless, the more content the better

​@@asdf_asdf_asdfsame just pausing and thinking and looking up stuff takes more than double the length of the video

a tad spectacular but phenomenal notwithstanding

Sloterdijk and Judith Butler his favourite people

@@korpen2858 I feel like every time he brings up Sloterdijk it’s always to say “I think he’s an intelligent conservative and I agree with him on this point, and here’s how”; and when he brings up Butler it’s always to say “we’re nominally on the same side but I disagree with them theoretically, and here’s how”. But he always mentions how he’s friends with both lol

Home is where we are not

@@joshbaino3087 Maybe you are right, but it may also depend on conditions.

youll feel out of place and time until you find true love, according to Zizek

@@TheTrueReiniat He certainly knows as an expert in matters of love. :;)

and that is a Freudian slip because..?

@@jodawgsup Because Sloterdijk is "right wing" and I've seen it claimed that he has defended eugenics but I haven't looked into the matter.

Rousseau's inclination or desire "tended towards a neo-Spartanic Society". Typical Sloterdijk formulations 101. In order to be chic he recasts the anecdote out of its ordinary pronunciation. Usually, the emphasis is on the question "Base slave! I didn't ask about my sons. I asked about the battle." Then she learns of the victory and goes to pronounce some sacred prayers and perform rituals of gratitude. Instead, he says, she is grateful her sons died. Died in such a noble cause to further the eternal Heimat. Heimat, that which sustains and saves us. Anti nomadic-liquidity.

Dude don't seem all that fröhlich or whatever... I couldn't hear the second part of what Mr Zizek said when he interrupted during the introduction. Did he say "Cheerful?...like Nietzche."

bcs he is a conservative @@jodawgsup

Interesting. I recently saw another discussion with Zizek on YT where he condemns the Baghavad Ghita because it was a favorite book of Heinrich Himmler. It was obvious that he has never seriously tried to comprehend this great book and interprets it in a childish and absolutely superficial and false way.

@@deepfocusinside4685 That's not entirely true, he has repeatedly said he doesn't dismiss the wisdom of these great books, but rather ideology (in the case of the Nazis) produces new functions for these texts that are complicit in total horror. Even a Zen Buddhist monk makes this claim about his own religion in the book Zen at War.

@@aufheben555 Ok, that is important to notice. a lot of these wisdom texts are naturally prone to become misinterpreted or even misused as a foundation to totalitarian and unethical thinking. Because of that, a good zen teacher always emphasizes the danger of these pitfalls but you are right that there is a sad history of japanese zen culture which supported fascism. Because of that I find myself often in the position to firstly try to understand how a religious person understands his philosophy or an atheist on the other side. In my understanding many poeple don't see basic inconsistencies in their religious or philsophical attitudes and sadly they mostly are not interested in discussing these openly and seriously. The phenomena of the new rights movements is a dangerous fact of these circumstances, because these populists do well know how to take advantage of that.

One of them is probably Anthony James Gregor, whose focus are both subjects.

@@perobusmaximus Thanks!

@@logangarfield3401 one of his books might be "A Place In The Sun"

I don't think they would say anything univocally.

I think the Greek old philosophers would have their heads spinning because of the amount of references they use. If you’re not born in the western world of the 70s or something you probably don’t understand a word even if it was translated.

He doesn't use this as a general, positive statement. As far as I've seen interviews with him, he only brings these - yes, selective - counter arguments up against this loud minority of social justice hardliners, what he likes to call "white western liberals" to disprove this idea of white people being guilty of everything, anything bad happening in Africa is the result of Colonialism and so on, no here are the counter arguments. It doesn't mean that, to use your example, he thinks that Africans wouldn't care about inequality.

Zizek is making a reference to a study of values in africa vs. europe. You can critique that study (if you can find it). It might be full of flawes - i dont know. But it is not correct to say, that Zizek generalises. + it is not Zizeks job to have a "good influence on the audience". Whatever that means.

@@Tiergaden??????

​@@Tiergadenwhich study are you talking about? Zizek quoted a lady that he met and from her statement generalized that all South Africans are actually secretly longing for old Apartheid. That's what he says in the video and it is an incredibly broad and dangerous generalization

The comment is not about South Africa. @anirbellahcen5551 mentions an African writer and the topic of inequality. It can only be At 1:29:35 Zizek mentions a book by "Remy ad deoya" (from the auto-subs). This book is supposedly a study with data, not just an opinion/generalisation. If our dear Zizek spoke at bit more clearly, we could find the book, at check the data and method.

Congratulations!

Amerika thirst?

why aren't you asking him?

Simply put, because he's neurodivergent, which isn't a criticism. It's the same impulse as that which drives him towards telling 'bad taste' jokes , above and beyond rhetorical strategy (to get the audience onside, to make a point). I think all the English-fluent Germans/Austrians/Swiss he does it to, find it part of the 'charm' though....

he's stated in interviews that he's most uncomfortable in english and is quicker on his feet in slovenian, german, and french. It might be in that middle bit where he subconsciously wants to talk german to sloterdijk, he seems to be getting stuck more than usual, dont think he means anything by it

For the same reason why you would read Hegel in German, and not in English. Languages are not equivalent, and Hegel/Freud precisely used the "Herrschaft" to describe a certain concept. "Vorstellung" is sometimes translated into English as "imagination", but these words are in fact completely different. "Vorstellung" is composed of "vor" (before) and "stellung" (to place), meaning "to place before" (one's mind's eye), while "imagination" is closer to "the mind's business of producing images". Also, phonology is important, and "Herrschaft" has a particular sound that gets across his point: that he is using an analysis inherited from Germany to discuss China.

That's normal, as a German-Croatian I'm always like that with other German-Croats. For example, we talk in Croatian and suddenly a whole sentence comes out in German, that's because this German sentence would have a completely different meaning in the Croatian translation or not exactly the meaning you want to express.

Where do you think his russophobia is rooted in?

@@LeZylox In an interview for the Slovenian weekly"Mladina".

And someone still breathes it in

because you have gen Z adhd!

Is it only about the young people?

She seemed nice and very capaple to navigate the discussion. Also her remark at the beginning was clearly making fun of this rule, a lighthearted jap of a silly woke rule.

She was just having fun with a newly introduced law in Sweden. There is nothing nefarious going on here. Calling her an idiot for something so insignificant makes you kinda look like one.

she goes to gulag and you and your family can enjoy her company there@@MrFrussel

@@owenintheagon Thank you for proving my initial point. Good day!

@@owenintheagon It's ok to accept that you made a mistake :)