Public Accountability? CIA has Public Accountability??? Can anyone provide me with an example where the CIA was actually held publicly accountable beyond a Senate hearing where they seem to not know the answers to any of the questions?
@@jon9428 @Jon Thiel follows the Straussian method of communication, of not revealing much, communicating in esoteric ways to specific audiences in carefully written speeches, he does not wish to publicize himself neither reach for wide audience.
I still don't understand why retired CIA employees are even allowed to still have security clearances. If a private employee leaves a job, that employee loses access to the company's private files, so why wouldn't it be the same for ex-CIA employees?
The security clearance doesn’t give you access to CIA files. It just tags you as someone who can be trusted. So on one hand Trump is funding private operations, and at the same time cutting off anyone who is qualified to be employed by those private organizations.
all classified information operates on a "need to know" basis. Just because you hold a security clearance doesn't mean you have any access to that Intel.
Because people who work for government contractors need security clearances to do their jobs. How do you think Lockheed or Boeing employees work on military hardware?
@@sciencecompliance235 This is the trade off to keep the Military Industry Complex tied to US interests. The alternative, which I think Bustamante is kind of soft selling, and Trump was promoting, is a world in which independent military & intelligence corps simply sell to the highest bidder. Which is another way of saying “mercenaries.” Of the two options, the former still seems less repulsive and dangerous. Somewhat.
No shortage of prospects. It's also the requirement for bomber crews, fighter pilots, cannon cockers, retirement fund managers and associated bankers, FBI, NSA, private Intelligence agencies, multinatilnal CEO's & CFO's, labor union leaders, teachers union leaders, and, of course, politicians & judges.
@@JADiaz10 both accounts can be true btw. He can’t “destroy everything this guy is saying” because what he is saying is probably true. The CIA is big bro, it’s a catch all term
The gay German billionaire living in the United States who doesn't like paying US taxes...He HATES the billionaire tax...What is this clown doing in the US?
I heard two things I disagreed with in the first few minutes. DCGS (in-house) products were not better than Palantir, quite the opposite actually, and Peter Thiel was never offered a cabinet position.
He strictly follows Rene Girard it’s a theory and is a trained contrarian it’s a public act. Listen carefully and make your own decision but know Peter speaks the truth and his mind so use his words wisely 😊 he is an insider billionaire
At least on other podcasts he’s been extremely blunt and levels with audience and weighs both sides. Far more refreshing to me than the psychopathic fantasy vision that other billionaires like zuck and gates try to sell that you KNOW they don’t actually believe themselves.
But can you effectively show accountability in secret agencies? I don’t think one can. Trump did not care about disincentives for agents.This is laughable. Trump is a moron.
Lex, Please look at getting the CEO of Palantir on Alexander Karp... Incredible story behind the founding of Palantir, but also incredible story that they have been a the forefront of Big Data for 18+ years... Alex is also a very cool character with a cult following, would be a great episode.
@@kungfoochicken08 Yes, it’s a very lazy rule of thumb employed by people who think slogans on corn flakes packets are philosophy. The homeless guy at the corner also rages about the system but you would ignore him. Thiel has the basis fascistic ideas, so did Hitler, in one case the German establishment listened to the deranged nut job and in Thiels case hopefully he will fade away. In other words do some more analysis.
"Without the public accountability that directors of CIA have"...yeah ok. These orgs are probably at the top when it comes to having power without accountability.
Yea let’s corporatize our intelligence agencies especially since they are so good at being intelligent and because less oversight which can really hinder an intelligence agency then they can do whatever they want.
There’s already no effective oversight. The last time anyone tried to hold them accountable was Senator Feinstein’s investigation of the CIA torture program. The CIA hacked into the computers of the Chair of the oversight committee to keep on eye on what they were doing. The whole thing is a joke. The NSA has the same shit. Hayden lied to Congress about the NSA spying on literally every single American. He still walks around uncharged. The programs have been expanded, and officials still can’t point to any cases where these bulk collection programs saved lives.
Soo intelligent that the intelligence don't know what happened to building 7. Nobody needs propaganda we need facts. We need to investigate cia,fbi and mosaad. Extream zonionst terrorists did this everybody knows. Please read the ((clean break)). And call on your congress shut down these three major domestic terrorists organization. All this to hunt down and track down Americans for political reasons. Does anybody believe this bullshit. Everybody knows no investigation will happen because of the black mail, what a joke pretending to have checks and balances. Please go read about dictatorships they are all run by lies , propaganda, and intelligence . No constitution in this banana republic
So, if 'flexible ethics' is required to function in a wider world where unethical behaviour outcompetes ethical, this creates an unvirtuous circle of incentivised unethical competition where, if everyone else is unethical, one has to flex to even more unethical tactics to remain competitive. This is perfectly in line with game theory and the ethics of capitalism, and links with how power corrupts and ends justifying means. And all by shaddowy organisations overseen by politicians supposedly giving oversight in our best interests. But how is this unvirtuous cycle of increasingly unethical behaviour in our interests?
@@roykeane1922 If you don't understand those words and how deep they run in philosophy and politics man, you're going to be a lifetime behind any part of this conversation.
@@brucekendall9873 I think he was just trying to be antagonistic and make Michelle Lewis explain and define those words so he can then try and pick her argument appart. He didn't have enough ammo to cherry-pick and misrepresent, so he asked for more inputs to play with. Narcissist tricks.
Morally flexible and for profit business… the last two things that should ever be associated with intelligence agencies. No way either of those end up doing is good as a country in the long run.
Big words from Lex about cheating considering his admission to using Cliff Notes to get thru AP classes in high school. Perhaps he's proving his guest's point about the sliding scale of ethics
was not the FBI formed out of the Pinkerton’s private agency when the governmwnt decided it needed to nationalize the intelligence and private detective industry to a certain extent?
Sociopaths are always hard to deal with though. They are enormously interesting and have an outsized effect on the world. But people often report that it's like dealing with a Velociraptor. No one wants to get eaten.
@@tkokflux6322 This comment is about Peter Theil. I talked about Sociopaths. The link is clear. Either Lex plays it extremely cool, or he doesn't have the ability to deal with a sociopath.
Thats not the point he was making. What he was saying is that the moral flexibility comes in what the person can perceive as "self defense", in order to justify their actions. There's an entire spectrum there between reactive and proactive behavior to threats (real or perceived), and each persons inflection point for when that crosses over into immoral behavior is different. Think of "killing Hitler as a baby" as an example.
@@davidoconnor1773 self-defence by definition is a response to violence. It’s not the initiation of force but a response to it. It’s pretty straightforward. No scenario would involve killing baby Hitler. That’s just what morally corrupt spooks try to convince you otherwise.
So after serving 40 years in the military and making peanuts doing it, and missing every kid’s birthday, it’s wrong to take a private sector job where you’re well paid for your expertise?
@@diogenes4124 ok, so instead of joining to serve, you’d prefer only power hungry psychopaths who just want to feel powerful, knowing they’ll be dead broke, and unemployable afterwards?
@@diogenes4124 I think you shot yourself in the foot. Your asking if a smart man would a great paying job that requires no skill or achievement ? And answer to that is YES because it already happens all the time. I assure you that the Hardvard graduates all aim for great paying careers... Also, Robinson didn't comment about the reasons for serving in a position of power with low pay (like police or CIA). He simply asked WHY IT IS WRONG FOR A LOW PAID PUBLIC EMPLOYEE to EARN A HIGH PAYING JOB AFTER DECADES OF SERVICE. 🤔
Rivage companies aren't incentivized to be innovative, nor create the best product, those things are risky, and require more sunk costs. That's why most innovations are publicly funded
I’m done with it the chaos created by our government agencies the misinformation and the lack of transparency that has been denied on various levels of security and accountability for my immediate family and myself . The cover up was insane and has been heightened by exposure to fraudulent practices as well as fraudulent entities that claim to serve the US government. Reparations need to begin immediately and more than apology is expected plus the return of my vehicle and assets.
Chomsky sounds like one of those menopausal neolib SSRI-moms on The View nowadays, interviewing him is elder abuse. Everything he says now may as well have come out of the WEF and CIA.
Thinthread was an in house NSA system that would have flagged every participant in the 9/11 terrorist attack that was taken off line 30 days prior in favor of a Contractors inferior product that failed to flag any of them. The man who made that decision went to work for the company He gave that contract to when He left. No one ever charged that man with any crime.
The one thing Andrew is glossing over regarding the revoking of security clearances was the punitive nature in Trump's reasoning for revoking them. He was revoking them from those who were retired and speaking ill of him.
@@tyd8077Peter Thiel studied under Rene Girard, which already says a lot. Go watch the debate between him and Eric Schmidt where he absolutely destroys him and the Silicon Valley technocrat class. Listen to any of his keynote speeches at college graduations- he genuinely believes in real, tangible evil as a force driving the elites (like actual satanic unseen forces guiding them). He’s a complex man.
Holy cow I didn't catch the resemblance. On his own channel he is filmed from a different angle. With me enthralled with his teeth. He maybe be better than Mango, but no one is better than Azrael Abyss.
The advertising business is founded and thrives on defining and modulating morality and ethics. Needs must be met or advertising fails as a business. A world as it is, currently.
About time someone said that executive power over intelligence organizations is a problem. I’m sick of presidents acting like the good people of the CIA work for them and not the other way around. Preach Brother!
"One of the things that I will always say I liked about the Trump Administration it shown a big blazing bright light on all of the flaws within our system."~Andrew Bustamante
That Wasta isn't social capital that's spent or conserved the way Bustamante is using the term, it literally translates to connection. That's like your uncle on the police force, your brother on the hiring committee.
The problem is that when you take away the private industry incentive from senior officials leaving, there's no reason to enter the CIA in the first place. So many CIA employees understand this incentive. After a few decades, you get rewarded with highly paid work in private industry. That incentivizes people to join the CIA and stay in service for decades! This is how public service works. That's why Trump's decision was terrible. And if you think that everyone who enters the CIA and is competent in the CIA is completely satisfied and incentivized by the knowledge that they're doing a service to their country, then you're hopelessly naive.
@@RedTeufel not that much. CIA or Military make peanuts compared to what their civilian counterparts make. Mercenaries in Iraq easily made a few times what soldiers make.
This guy is so wrong about private industry fostering ethical behavior, it's not even funny. In the long-term, it _could_ be in the company's interest to act ethically, or, and this is a big "or" here, it is in the interest of the company to seek monopoly power so that they can bend their customers over a barrel and not have to be answerable to them. This type of thinking is so sickening when we can clearly see the corruptive influence of private industry on government, and the tyranny of monopolies in our own lives.
You know I like the CIA, The FBI and the DCC. More. But there was a very famous and important case, where the only person wanted to success the case was a private corp. officer. It was too hard for official police. Yeah, why not.
@@edwardsmith9644 his fide rating is 2199 , well below Bobby Fischer's 2785 , below super Grandmaster at 2700, below Grandmaster at 2500, below 2300 International Master strength
@@roxyknight4909 That was his last rating. At some point in his chess career it was in 2500’s. I read it in an old article about Wall street hiring high-rated chess players.
Moral ambiguity is a preference in personality character traits. But, as with any moving target, continually pushing the boundaries of ambiguity eventually reaches a point of little equitable return. The drive and the incentive for this organization seems to have been a veiled crevasse of networks operating with impunity - under charters and the guise of moral superiority and proffered return. It’s compromised our economic stability. That pressure is of little equitable return imho. The tax payers aren’t the servants. The government charter says, “Of,by, and for the People.” When the apparatus becomes the circus, that is its own peril. Clearly 60 years of disguise had shown that.
