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Peterloo Massacre: A turning point in UK history? - BBC Newsnight 

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It's been 200 years since the Peterloo Massacre.
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In 1819, peaceful demonstrators demanding the vote were set upon by the Yeomanry in Manchester, in what became known as the Peterloo Massacre.
For many on the left, 1819 was a kind of Year Zero in British democracy, leading ultimately to universal suffrage and the birth of the Labour party.
But others say its influence has been over-stated. Stephen Smith reports from Manchester and Alison Morgan of Warwick University and Daniel Finkelstein discuss its significance in studio.
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@andystrachan598
@andystrachan598 3 года назад
3:28 "There's no blame attached to the magistrates" - says a descendent of one of the magistrates. What a load of despicable blame-shifting nonsense. You should be ashamed of your ancestor, not proud.
@jonwhite6144
@jonwhite6144 3 года назад
Perhaps it's his DNA, to keep up the families motto. Once an idiot always an idiot
@DCI-Frank-Burnside
@DCI-Frank-Burnside 5 лет назад
My great-great-great grandfather was at St Peters Field on the day, selling jelly vodkas to the crowd.
@solamanthomas9083
@solamanthomas9083 2 года назад
🤩🤩🤩🤩
@cloudyrobin3143
@cloudyrobin3143 2 года назад
Welp, his jelly vodkas will be remembered 😂❤️
@finddeniro
@finddeniro Год назад
My relatives were farming Hay & Roots..
@graemesydney38
@graemesydney38 5 лет назад
Fuch, the conservatives STILL defending the undefendable and trying to re-write the narrative/history.
@SlimTortoise
@SlimTortoise 5 лет назад
Yet they are the only ones trying to do as the people wish Ie leave the EU. Don't tell me you are one of those idiots that would vote for a donkey so long as it had a red rosette on it ?, that is why the country is in a mess and MP's act the way they do, idiots keep voting for them regardless..
@graemesydney38
@graemesydney38 5 лет назад
@@SlimTortoise "Yet they are the only ones trying to do as the people wish Ie leave the EU." Policy aside; if you think the either side of politics are doing anything for democracy or 'the people' you are sadly mistaken. The referendum was a mistake driven by 'do nothing incompetency' and political survival. The last three years has been all about political survival and opportunism - good policy and truth are the first victims in the political survival game. "Don't tell me you are one of those idiots that would vote for a donkey so long as it had a red rosette on it ?" There is nothing like a few home truths and well aimed insults to win an argument is there? I'm actually a 'vote on merit' voter which means I've been a 'protest voter' for the last 30 years.
@SlimTortoise
@SlimTortoise 5 лет назад
@@graemesydney38 "The referendum was a mistake" So you don't like the result then :-), Don't be stupid, no referendum is a mistake, any chance we ie the public is asked a question should be encouraged, Some countries have them all the time its called direct democracy, I am saddened to hear anyone who takes such a defeated view point, but I'm guessing this is how low you would go when you want your own way, democracy works when losers except the result. I think your a guy that just votes opposite to everything, a victim. someone that when everyone gets together and makes a agreement you are the one to make it "not" work, probably never given the credit you think you deserve, probably in truth because you don't deserve it, because you are the moaning git in the corner all the time, making it not work. "Vote on merit" BS, I doubt you would know merit if it smacked you in the face. I thought we would start to have problems with this new snowflake generation who know nothing, think with their dicks and want free stuff of people who worked hard all their lives, I think its called socialism back in the day, But it seems to be helping the old bitter and twisted lot too of all ages and Mr Corbyn is right up there leading them on. Got you nailed mate :-)
@graemesydney38
@graemesydney38 5 лет назад
@@SlimTortoise Half Baked - I've got you nailed. You are a troll/know it all/angry at the world loser. Please, carry on your sad existence and, listen to and heed no one but that voice in your head.
@lukeb678
@lukeb678 Месяц назад
Not merely the conservatives, the entire elite. Starmer does it too.
@celestialteapot309
@celestialteapot309 5 лет назад
The bare-faced cheek of a Conservative Lord pontificating and trying to downplay working-class history, nothing changes, absolutely shameful. Let every student of history watch and take note.
@johnmacaroni7028
@johnmacaroni7028 4 года назад
Yeah, and with the bbc (Bolsheviks Broadcasting Crap) doing their bit.. Lord Salisbury Victorian age politician helped in a big way the stopping of shoving little children some aged just four years old, right up the chimneys to clean them where many suffercated to death. House of Lords managed to veto the vote to ban it by the House of Commons because of property rights, this decades after slavery was abolished .. Lord Salisbury was a gooden. 🔔🇬🇧🔔 Put Bolsheviks and Masonics in the 🚮 please 🙂
@celestialteapot309
@celestialteapot309 2 года назад
@Garrus Vakarian true
@lolly8624
@lolly8624 3 года назад
Faced by a show of strength, the Manchester magistrates decided to ‘bring the matter to issue’. One of them declared: If the agitators of the country determine to persevere in their meeting, it will necessarily prove a trial of strength and there must be a CONFLICT’
@thomassheppard6061
@thomassheppard6061 5 лет назад
It took until 1945 for ordinary people to gain a little democracy.
@johnmacaroni7028
@johnmacaroni7028 4 года назад
You really believe that.
@emeralddragongaming2930
@emeralddragongaming2930 Год назад
@@johnmacaroni7028 well he said a little, just a little
@conbutler2354
@conbutler2354 5 лет назад
That arrogant Mr. Cornish is something else ! just shows the "Bastards" are still lurking in the shadows, ok Sir ,leave Peterloo go and read some Irish and or Indian history, they did it again and again ! Proud indeed ! Shame on you and him !!
@johnmacaroni7028
@johnmacaroni7028 4 года назад
How about the Tolpuddle Martyrs remembered. Or the little victorian children some just four years old, being shoved up chimneys to clean them where many suffercated to death. It was Lord Salisbury who after many decades managed to have it banned (no one under 14 were to be shoved up chimneys anymore). This was decades after slavery was abolished. Marxist school teachers will not tell you about this.. Put Bolsheviks and Masonics in the 🚮 please 🙂 🔔🇬🇧🔔
@vanessanunes6600
@vanessanunes6600 Год назад
PLEASE PUT PORTUGUESE SUBTITLE IN THE VIDEO , THIS VIDEO IS SO INTERESTING , I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS VIDEO FOR MY STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOL .
@kortwalsh1724
@kortwalsh1724 4 года назад
WOW, watch this guy in the middle train-wreck and be such an inhuman comment. Amazing how the other two seem to care so much, they just move forward. GUH
@incyblue1982
@incyblue1982 5 лет назад
Peterloo is a northen thing, now the south media gives a shit, I question why?
@paparoach007
@paparoach007 Год назад
From my understanding it had a profound impact not just on the North but on the whole country, mainly towards the people with power hence London which is in the South last time I checked.
@Puddlesmolly
@Puddlesmolly 5 лет назад
So nothing has changed.
@samholden4171
@samholden4171 12 дней назад
Even back then yrs ago the world was fucked😢😣😔
@vickyking3408
@vickyking3408 8 месяцев назад
Not with the bigoted right wing BBC utterly riddled with tory bias😢
@Humannondancer
@Humannondancer 5 лет назад
We live in a democracy, sure. Well Hermann Goeing had some good takes on how any type of society, regarding how the people can be persuaded into believing they need to go war.
@allmendoubt4784
@allmendoubt4784 5 лет назад
It wasn't about suffrage, far too early, but it lead to the later Chartism movement as it was such an extreme event, but well understood in the country as a whole. Hunt was a Radical, thus inspired by the French Revolution which had executed the French nobility, resulted in the Terror and lead to the contemporary horrors of the Napoleonic Wars. The meeting was a direct response to the dangerous Corn Laws which protected the price of British grain for the nobility, represented by Tories and Whigs in a rotten Parliament, and spread hunger among the industrial population which was still growing. Peterloo inspired the British political sense of slow compromise. Sad how modern politicians know Jack sh*t about history but are willing to try to sound convincing on every topic. The fact that suffrage still to this day bears a residence qualification not at pace with the faster turnover off addresses for a good part of the community is an outrage causing many to be disenfranchised by lifestyle - that and the terrible practice of the BBC and debt collectors to use electoral roles in order to demand money from the poor. As for the worries below about why it isn't taught at school - it is between KS4 - KS5 or post 14 when children are able to understand it; the worry for most historians in a democracy is that history is ignored as it is an optional subject at 14. Depending of course on whether you prefer our Parliament to be staffed by non experts in culture and precedent, economics and society.
@henrybn14ar
@henrybn14ar 5 лет назад
The Corn Laws were eventually abolished in 1846, reinstated in 1973 when the UK joined the EEC.
@johnhoward563
@johnhoward563 5 лет назад
Just watched the film, we were bought up in ancoats George Leigh st went to st michaels then St Albans this was mentioned once when we were taken to a museum in Manchester, a we saw a sabre from the massacre,the relevance, and social importance of this was never explained, which was a real shame. Nothing has changed, you need to read. “ the ragged trousered philanthropist” a true classic and things still haven’t changed. John h
@MrSnakepowder
@MrSnakepowder 5 лет назад
how much does it cost to clean teeth in Britain ffs
@johnmacaroni7028
@johnmacaroni7028 4 года назад
We like the natural look 🙂 🔔🇬🇧🔔 Put Bolsheviks and Masonics in the 🚮 please 🤣
@stevenclark6209
@stevenclark6209 5 лет назад
This was so sad .....each side blaming each other.
@atilla4352
@atilla4352 5 лет назад
very funny that people connect this with the eu and brexit.
@SlimTortoise
@SlimTortoise 5 лет назад
Because the vote means MP's do as they are told, not the opposite, A latest survey asked all the MP's today if they should do what the electorate want only 20% said they should, 80% said they should do what they think and ignore the public, when they asked the public the same question 93% said they should do what the people wanted and only 7% said they should do what the MP's think. only during this time 200 years ago, before the vote did the MP's do as they wish and not what the people wanted. That is the connection, the loss of democracy and yet again MP's ignoring the people.
@SlimTortoise
@SlimTortoise 5 лет назад
@Hannah Dyson Nothing is totally equal. read about it first. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre. Quote "60,000-80,000 who had gathered to demand the reform of parliamentary representation." In other words, they want the people who represented them to be accountable and voted for by the people. Yes Brexit was not a vote to be represented or to have the vote, but the Peterloo gathering helped to win that right and to have that vote listened to and carried out, If brexit does not happen, then your vote means nothing, so in affect not represented. that is the link!
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 2 года назад
@@SlimTortoise I'm mean by the true meaning of democracy the majority of the people in the country right now and even when you wrote your screed do not want brexit.
@WorksopGimp
@WorksopGimp 5 лет назад
One example of why we all need guns and ammo
@edwardgibb3981
@edwardgibb3981 5 лет назад
When was the last time the government massacred 18 people
@Arborist5851
@Arborist5851 5 лет назад
You can always apply for a firearms licence or a shotgun nothing stopping you pal
@birddog9708
@birddog9708 5 лет назад
ebola moinkey 69 7/7
@alexburt6995
@alexburt6995 3 года назад
No, we really really don't. People are being murdered in America on an industrial scale. We don't want that here.
@romanlegion2621
@romanlegion2621 3 года назад
Didn’t you Charists have that? How did that turn out? 😂
@wokeeye6441
@wokeeye6441 3 года назад
Those incendiary rebels needed a free balloon ride!!! Damn the proles
@buzjimbo2128
@buzjimbo2128 5 лет назад
Enough js already please bbc
@blueotter5990
@blueotter5990 5 лет назад
Its "there are", not "there's two things" why are people starting to talk like toddlers?
@missingnotheglitchmon
@missingnotheglitchmon Год назад
That's pretty xenophobic. "There's two things" is an English expression its just how they talk. You honestly sound like the kind of person to also criticize the English over their pronunciation of "tomato".
@VaucluseVanguard
@VaucluseVanguard 5 лет назад
A film by Mike Leigh is like watching a Khmer Rouge or Ho Chi Minh sponsored propaganda film. Peterloo was important but the way the far left talk about it you would think it was the British Bolshevik revolution. I studied it at A level, I would move it into higher level degree study.
@wildgoose5964
@wildgoose5964 5 лет назад
the reason why the "far left" talk about it is probably because they are the only ones that know it happened...the rest of us are too busy sleeping on the pavement in our Union Jack sleeping bags waiting for the announcement of the another royal birth.
@SimonWallwork
@SimonWallwork 5 лет назад
No. Just more pc bollocks
@johnmacaroni7028
@johnmacaroni7028 4 года назад
@Hannah Dyson The Tolpuddle Martyrs remembered. Every victory was fought tooth and nail by the English working class years before Bolshevik communist was even heard of. Marxist teachers or the bbc (Bolsheviks Broadcasting Crap) will tell you this.
@Yawnymcsnore
@Yawnymcsnore 5 лет назад
It was years ago bore off
@wildgoose5964
@wildgoose5964 5 лет назад
Come on you live in the world's largest historical-fantasy theme park...the UK...every time there's a royal event we fawn over the royal family and their wonderful ancient (mostly made up) traditions...the trouble with Peterloo is it doesn't fit the establishment version of history...to misquote Mrs May, "it isn't red, white & blue" enough.
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