The one question that's rarely addressed is cost. I would like to know the actual cost of a battery, electric motors and controllers. I know the price is changing but let us know the cost now.
The cost of those comprehensive long range fast charge conversion is too insane to mention. In the area of a new EV like a Tesla. But the huge advantage is that it is build for your needs and desires and very importantly: You own the design. Repairs and upgrades are easily and cheaply done.
I can see this channel gaining and deserving as many subs as Peters in a heartbeat. It’s great to have the Electricity evolution explained so we can understand it better. Top marks indeed Thankyou. 👍🇬🇧
What an amazing piece of masterclass... you must be teaching this stuff in college. You´re a genius. Not only you explain us the theory easily but also show us how things works and how they are. Belive me: I am a architect and a teacher and I know what I´m talking about. Congratulations for your work and for your channel.
best conversion...I am surely going to visit your workshop during my visit to London this summer....I am the same fellow who sent you email for converting Toyota FJ60 :)
I think is really important to add / extract engine efficiency in your equation. Even petrol has the highest energy density, using it in the ice engine drops that efficiency accordingly to the engine efficiency. Also, thank you for your comment on the ''where the energy is coming from'' many people still think that the energy grid runs like in the 80. All the best, looking forward to your next episode.
@@alanmay7929 Even if the energy comes from a coal fired power station economies of scale kick in and the electric car is still greener over it's life cycle. It just takes a few more miles to be greener. It takes around 29k miles for an electric car in the UK to be greener versus something like 60k miles for a car running off dirty electricity. The irony is If all cars were scrapped at 20k miles petrol would be greener. Note, the numbers above may not be perfectly correct but they're not that far off. They come from Volvo who revealed the total carbon footprint over the lifecycle of their cars with (i believe) all factors included.
@@alanmay7929 While extracting, processing, storage and pumping is done with electricity too. If you understand the calculations that ECC made so simple, using 30% of a product while dumping the rest of 70% is by far less efficient then anything I know as a product. Care to elaborate on that?
Thank you once again for lovely content. For the Q&A: How easy is it in the UK to get conversions on the road, approved by the DVLA? This seems very difficult in Norway due to law that prohibit this kind of radical alternation on vehicles. Guess for the new project, that the world´s never seen : The Tesla powered 4x4 Soviet Trabant.
Trabant is not Soviet but East German ! 🙄 In Hungary, electrical remodeling has already been done at home. 😃✌️ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E5lu5Wj471I.html
This Trabi is 10 years old and it is a legal one, today the electrical conversion is no longer allowed, so it will be transferred to Austria, where it will be licensed and brought back to Hungary! 😂 🤣
Many years ago I was walking down an old back lane near Blunsdon, Swindon with my girlfriend, when I spotted a MKIIA long wheelbase Land Rover languishing in an old wooden shed. A couple of enquiries later I’d bought it and proceeded to rebuild the engine, which was in bits. I then went on to strip the gearbox and rebuilt it with salvaged parts; rewired the electrics; fitted some custom electronics; added side windows a Fairey overdrive and reconditioned the front wheel hubs, UJ’s and topped it off with free-wheeling front hubs and an economy carburettor. A great first barn-find rebuild. I can remember lifting out the gearbox by straddling the centre chassis members and lifting it out using the web seatbelt’s strapped over my shoulders. Back then I was as strong as an Ox and could pull off a stunt like that. Best time of my life. That’s what I like the most about your show. You give it a go and nothing much will stop you. The aim is to make better things and showcase your skills. Keep up the great work.
Absolutely brilliant video. Loved the petrol / battery comparison and the details of the different battery packs and there uses. Really looking forward to the next one.
Man! What a great explanation about the inner workings of batteries and how they compare to fuel. Very instructive and not at all boring or too dense. Keep it up!
Thank you for providing this excellent technical content!!! It's a long-term dream for my wife and I to do classic EV conversions and your channel is the perfect inspiration.
7 hours ago a Dutch commercial radio station started a discussion about this exact subject, so your video came in as very handy as reference material so that I could discuss several frivolous arguments that were used by several people who joined the conversation with their comments. And I shared a link to this video as well 👍 And yes, cobalt was one of their arguments. When it comes to renewable energy and electric cars people always bring up arguments that weren't a problem when the same materials were used for something else. Take for example composite materials. It is not a problem when it is used for boats and cars, but when it is used for wind turbine blades it all the sudden becomes a problem for those people. Luckily a Dutch company solved that problem too, because they can recycle composite materials so that they can produce 100% recyclable tiles with it. But it is another example of a frivolous argument against renewable energy and technology. Thank you for your excellent work !!👍✌ (P.S. made a small typo so I fixed my error after reading it a few days later)
@@bertilhatt Another striking example of the double moral, the lack of knowledge, and/or the hypocrisy from people who actually do know better. It is a big reason why I love this channel and the work from the people from Electric Classic cars so much. Honest information is a rarity these days. And since it is a 100% commercial operation people can't use the so called "government subsidies" argument and their usual conspiracy theories either. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge, I think that is exactly how we can make steps forward as a society.
I think that to those people it doesn't feel like an improvement when your still mining finite minerals and resources for a green alternative. I'm struggling with that as well. When you say cobalt is being used to refine petrol, it feels strange to be very enthusiastic about is when it's being used for a zero emission alternative. The mining remains, the exploitation remains, the resource does not remain as it's a finite one which makes it feel like a temporary solution and more of the same as with for instance the fossil fuel industry. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against electrical cars but a lot of things are happily forgotten when we're talking about zero emission solutions. They're mostly zero emission and/or green when actually in use, not yet in production or when their commercial life has ended. Fortunately developments are quick, and I'm confident that there will be solutions for all those problems.
@@svenvanwesterloo173 You don’t seem to differentiate metals that are capitalised in a fixed battery, that will be used every day for 10 years, reused in their entirely afterwards and ressources that will be consumed once, burned for good and never reused again.
I love the show. I got introduced to it because I watch my favourite youtuber Petrol Ped Pete, and he said he was getting involved in the show. This was a very informative video and very interesting to watch.
Great insight into the variety of batteries available. I must admit I thought they were all pretty much the same, just packaged differently. It will be interesting to see if solid state batteries ever become a reality.
Aww this is the best RU-vid channel in a long time I’m absolutely hooked!! Just wish there was endless videos to watch, your new project would be absolutely amazing if you could show us through the steps something like project binky did would be a dream!!! 🙏🙏 also could you help inform about more of the negatives people focus on with electric cars, and let us k is what your thoughts are about the battery’s being unrecyclable ?
Brilliant explanation, alot of people are scared of range when it comes to EV cars, but what people must understand like any technology it only gets better over time. And I wont be surprised in 10 years time a EV will do over 1000 km on a single charge. And charge full in under 10min.
Great presentation! How does a w201 Mercedes look as a potential conversion candidate. Curb weight was around 1200 kg. They are numerous still, handle great and well built. Drag coefficient was very low for the time. I love mine but feel guilty about the diesel.
Hello, thank you very much for the very detailed explanation of the different battery types. Your videos are very entertaining and inspiring. I am already looking forward to the next topic. Recently, I talked to a friend about transmissions in an electrical conversion. When would you use the original gearbox and when would you not? Does it make sense, for example, to continue using the automatic transmission in a Mercedes SL?
Hi Richard, you have a very natural delivery in straight forward language. You seem to be speaking without any prompting or scripts, which underlines your knowledge and understanding of EV engineering. 👍😎
As EVs get older do you think it will be possible to modify them without changing too much? For example if you could use the first gen VW E-up and change to a battery with faster charging and leaving everything else as it is?
@@TC-V8 Ps i have the 2000E version in my lock-up with the Cosworth interior and exterior fitted been in there for 16 years needs recommissioning before it rots.... :):)
great Richard. thanks for very friendly and professional explanations. hope your solutions are available elsewhere soon. looking forward to your next tech talks and hope soon for new EV conversations shown on this channel (I like most your Defenders!)
I am really interested in having a second car as electric but people keep saying that batteries are only good for 8 yrs? And so expensive to replace that the car's are only worth scrap value where as my fiesta petrol car is a 09 plate still going strong I wouldn't like to spend all that money and only getting 8yrs could you please do a talk on the period of life for batteries and the cost of replacing them thanks again for doing these videos 👍
That's a good topic to add to the Q&A session we'll do. Thanks. In the meantime, talk to real EV drivers on their direct experience. Don't listen to those those that don't own one as there's a lot of FUD around. I've had an EV for 5 years and haven't seen any noticeable battery degredation yet. 👍
@@ElectricClassicCars I have spoken to a ev driver who has a Tesla he leases the car because of the 8yr battery life ? That was his choice but I don't know were his information came from that's another reason for trying to get some clarification on this matter as I have no clue about electric cars thanks for your reply looking forward to hearing proper answers on this matter as I at on the fence at the moment but keen to change to ev car thanks again 👍
21:30 Do not forget to include fossil fuels in that list, because cobalt is used to desulphur gas and diesel. That is also a one time use, whereas you can recycle the cobalt from batteries. 🤔😎
It could be cool if you took a classic American muscle car Converted it to electricity Then I saw audi make some speakers for the exhaust with V8 sound 😍💪🏻
More ammo for my "our electric car tech isnt your grandads electric car tech" arsenal. Much needed as I find myself in this debate constantly as of late. Holding out for some sort of electric hybrid 'upgrade' for my 17,000lb gvwr motorhome. Youve got my sub!
Something about maybe designing the electrical circuits for use in these conversions? Typical schematics (fair enough if they'll be 'just' an application of 'recommended' charger/inverter/batt manager circuits - but bonus if aren't paywalled)? (or even the 'right' set of google keywords to find them, fair enough)
Great explanation i think that will be handy for a lot of people…I understand the arguments but I still think weight is an issue…but I’ll counter that with battery technology can only improve…power density and weight 👍
Liking these Tech talk videos very much. Giving excellent information and insight into the electric vehicle world. Hopefully you'll be covering regenerative braking at some point and the ability of altering the amount. Is it something that you include with your conversions or is it a fixed amount as requested by the owner?
Very interesting about the battery's being kept very low in the car. Also with being able to move the battery packs around, you could get close to a 50/50 weight distribution which would give it excellent handling.
Thats the principle behind most skate board chassis designs. In something like an e type swap the rear axel for the Tesla set up...and put the batteries and gubbins where the old straight six bell housing and gearbox all went.. which way more than the rest of the body assembly. They are seriously heavy engines....let alone the V 12 versions.
I never really liked the idea of putting an electric motor in a classic car but I have to say I’m converted. The number of times I’ve traveled to Cornwall in my split screen camper and wondered if I’d actually get there would be a thing of the past. Makes perfect sense. Well done with RU-vid and your tv show!
Great video! I really want to see the details on your Tesla Land rover conversions - How you mounted the motor/What you did to replace the handbrake/ the controller you used/ why you used LSD's over lockers/ power steering pump/ brake vacuum etc... Love your work!
Sorry if you have addressed this in another video, I've only recently come to your channel: How do you source all the specialist electric gubbins, especially Tesla parts? As knowledge and resources becomes greater and more abundant, inevitably some brave DIY'ers will have a crack themselves but where would they start by acquiring the parts?
I am very curious about hub motors. Super nice to eliminate a lot of components, but I understand the unsprung weight penalty. Does seem like an easier conversion option.
Great episode Richard. Really informative and superb delivery. Could you consider at a later date the issue of battery degradation and recycling? Thats probably going to be an issue at a later date for all of us. Also, how do you (ECC) deal with this? Have you had customers return to get updated battery packs? Can you repair packs at ECC?
It's good to hear that cobalt is coming out of battery technology. It's not really the case that many people "wave the banner" on cobalt are doing that to rile against the electric car industry and ignore others such as mobile phones, though, as you appear to be hinting at here. Surely it's simply that if all people in the UK who have cars now want to have electric cars in the future, the total quantity of cobalt required would be simply /massive/ whilst that required for mobile phones would remain relatively insignificant against that. We have the luxury of not being the ones who live next to the cobalt mines, nor the mines for rare earth metals used in many technologies too. All of these things are, conveniently mined thousands of miles away from us and it's quite right that people flag this up. Most of us are blind to the damage done. So, it's a great relief to hear that reliance on at least one of the 'nasties' is being massively reduced in EV technology.
Excellent video!! I'm a maker type with gear-head experience and I'm getting more and more interested in EV conversions. Thank you for being such a great resource of useful info! Can't wait to see what you're building! Cheers.
Hey love your builds and vids! How feasible would it be for one man(me) to build an electric car of your calibre on my own? Im thinking of something like your electric 911, but with a porsche 930 turbo body restored It would be built inside my garage, Any insight helps!
It's my opinion that a comparison between a diesel or gas tank and a battery must be comprensive of the weight of the two respectives engines responsible of the motion, so if we have a lot of Kw of energy in a tank is also real that we need 200 kg of engines or plus to move the car in motion, while tha battery yes it's truth that is more weight than the tank for the same amount of kw (for now in 2022 year) but she need just one third of the termic engine weight to move the car by the eletric motor and his inverter.....more or less. It would be interesting if you will prepare a comparison in this way, i am a follower of your channel ....all you do is very interesting , the eletric energy is the future but let me travel still a bit more with my turbo diesel ;-), ciao
Brilliant brilliant talks so far must have taken a lot of prep time, really appreciated! You showed me a lithium replacement for the 12v at FC, would have been interested to understand the advantages of that and why so expensive. Also why 12v lead acid seem a weakness in most EVs, I know Tesla have now dropped them for Lifepo 12v.
Brilliant. I'll share this everytime a luddite needs to be informed about the current state of battery technology. A couple of things that would have been helpful are you could have expanded the use of cobalt to say that it is used in the refining of fossil fuels to remove the sulphur and when used in a battery, the cobalt can be extracted and recyled. The other point that would have been great to be included is what can be done if the battery pack starts to degrade. Some people think that the whole battery pack has to be slung in to landfil. It would be good to see an explination how individual cells can be replaced. If that is the case and I'm not talking rubbish myself!
Although Cobalt us indeed used in the petrol refinement industry the volume compared to the EV battery industry is fairly low. There's a good pie chart in the first few pages of this report that you might find useful. www.cruxinvestor.com/articles/the-ultimate-guide-to-the-cobalt-market-2021-2030f#:~:text=Cobalt%20is%20an%20important%20raw,pharmaceuticals%2C%20steels%20and%20glaze%20materials.
Are you building a Morris Minor Woody? You have inspired me to convert my Boxster once its Flat Six goes pop, before if I can afford it! Cheers, Love what you do, I wish I worked with you guys, must be amazing.
Fantastic RU-vid channel... I'm not a EV lover. But I do love cars and tech. I would love to convert a 944 but have had hard time to find a kit that fits. Keep up the good work I looking forward to see som more insights into EV... I'd rather bye a car and convert it (a good daily conversion) than go to a car manufacturer and paying twice the money I did four years ago for more or less the sam car (segment for example a Peugeot 208 ... Swedish krona about 130k sek five years ago 300k sek for a EV today)...
Love these videos. I would love to see an Indepth video of one of your electric motor being mated to a manual gearbox. Do you just take the engine block up off and bolt the motor to the gearbox that way or do you do something completely different?
You mentioned an electric motor efficiency of 95% but what are the other losses in an electric vehicle's systems? How efficient is the DC/AC converter? Are there different types of converter that are more or less efficient? What sort of losses are in the battery pack between what you put in and what you get out and how do they compare between different types of battery? How much energy in the main power pack do you lose in to the 12V battery charger? What about losses in the car charger and the wall charger in your house?
Very interesting and honest video. I find using graphics to convey data points is often easier on the audience, still getting my head tuned to Kwh/Kg. This years project looks intriguing, maybe a 1970's Japanese hatch?
Very informative, excellent- keep up the good work- but don’t forget that the fossil fuel industry uses a huge amount of cobalt as a catalyst when removing sulphur from petrol and diesel fuel in the refinery…
Correct, but to be fair it's not as much as goes into EV batteries. But on the other hand EV batteries are already going Cobalt free, I doubt the petrochemical industry will be doing the same. Here's some good info on where cobalt ends up by industry. www.cruxinvestor.com/articles/the-ultimate-guide-to-the-cobalt-market-2021-2030f#:~:text=Cobalt%20is%20an%20important%20raw,pharmaceuticals%2C%20steels%20and%20glaze%20materials.
I liked the way you've broken thing's down in the video. Could you maybe do the same but include the weight of the petrol engine to the petrol kg/kwh and motors+battery kg/kwh. As this may show a little more ballance. Looking forward to seeing your next videos. Cheers 🍻
