Had a 94 Hilux 2.8L diesel, slug on road, beast off road, now own an 02 3.4L V6, Beast on and off road, miss the low range torque but love the power of the V6 and much easier to maintain without the need for more complex tools, the 5VZ-FE is one of the most under rated engines
Those 5VZ motors are an absolute weapon. Non interference and good on the loud pedal and even have great torque down low.. that motor needs to make a comeback. It's the only V6 that doesn't sound like crap either and actually has a pretty tough note to it
Got my firepit going in the backyard, dog by my side and fresh coldie in my hand. Doesn't get much better. Oh wait, it does; New 4WD action vid. Hell yeah!
Haha when Graham said at the start that he was playing darts I laughed so hard because 10 mins before watching the video I accidentally threw a dart through the front of 1 new spotlight
From here in the States, you also have to consider even more things: 1. When new, diesels cost as much as 5k US more than the same vehicle with a gasoline (petrol) engine. 2. The cost of Diesel in the US is actually the same or sometimes higher than gasoline per liter (gallons here in the US). This is due to the very high environmental requirements for diesel fuel in the US. (we only run very very low sulfur diesel here) 3. Diesel is much harder to come by in the US than in other countries, gasoline is as common as water. 4. In some states, you actually CANNOT purchase a brand new diesel passenger vehicle as the state environmental rules actually BAN new non-commercial diesel vehicles from being sold. This is due to enviro regs dating from the 1980's when diesel engines in America were horrible black smoke blowing monstrosities. So in America, Diesel 4wd vehicles are as rare as hen's teeth. Almost everything has a gasoline power plant in it.
I was just about to make a post like yours, thanks for beating me to it. One other thing I'd like to mention about diesel in the States (or at least in CO), Diesel price per gallon doesn't fluctuate near as much as gasoline prices. Gas prices can shoot up (or down) 50 cents in a couple days, diesel usually doesn't change by more than 30 cents in a month. Diesel is nearly always more expensive per gallon than gasoline here; I can remember only two occasions in the last 3 years where diesel was cheaper.
@@nicholasalbrecht9357 Yes, here in Australia the oil companies exploit the diesel users because it goes further. Diesel is cheaper to make, not refined like gasoline.
As a truckie running in the remote areas of Australia for the past 30+ years, I went with the 1HD-T in a virtually stock 80 Series about 10 years ago. For the same reasons as you pointed out, fuel availability in remote areas, low end torque, mechanical simplicity over electronic complexity, & with 4 kids I needed a bus that would tackle anything Australia had to offer. She was high mileage, but meticulously serviced by a retired truckie, who toured Australia with a light pop top caravan for 3 years. Purchased for $12k. Since buying this she has now clocked up just over 750,000km. As she is so long in the tooth, I had the gearbox & transfer case rebuilt this year, & also had a Mark's Part-time 4wd kit installed with Aisin hubs. Next on my list is the engine. I have weighed up the pros & cons of 6BT v Duramax v 1HD-T rebuild, & have decided to rebuild the 1HD-T, with a 4500 stroker crank. I know there is a mob that has made amazing figures on a 1HZ & a 1HD-TFE, but now I cant find them. So any leads some of you have would be great. Also I would like to hear pros & cons in top mount v front mount intercoolers. I was thinking about grafting a 79 Series scoop onto the 80 Series bonnet for a top mount. Cheers
Big howzit here from South Africa mates! The lockdown rules over here are very strict and some days it's extremely difficult to keep the mental health at a functional level. These episodes have brightened my day more than a few times and more so keeps the spirits up during this mess we're all going through. Can't thank you guys enough. Already looking forward to next weeks episode!
Had the diesels, now in a Y62 Patrol. After 170,000km in it, would never consider going back! So much more drivable and a better tow vehicle. Stuff having peak torque in only a 1000rpm band, over 500nm from 2000rpm to 6000 rpm is perfect.
Weary Man everything is illegal here, but yes modifying your car is difficult, each state has their own restrictions. Permits and engineering could be required also.
Lots of people are insured with three inch lifts. Right up to that moment you make a claim. Then the insurance company says nah mate. Not legal. In W.A your only aloud a maximum of 50 mm lift to overall height of the vehicle this includes suspension and tyres. Any higher then it’s off to the pits or engineers for new paperwork. As Jordy T said most insurance companies won’t say a thing about it. Take your money until you make a claim.
Jordy T . I could get “insured” with anyone. The first question they’ll ask when starting a new insurance policy is “is you vehicle compliant to the road worthy standard?”. All you say is “yes”, then as if by magic your insured, until you get involved in a serious crash.
Ive got a 98 model 75 series ute. Just blew the motor(cracked head). For the money it would cost me to replace the 1hz with a turbo kit for a bit more boogie, me and my mechanic have decided to rip into an LS1 conversion. Once she is up and running i will give you boys the rundown and let you know about what i reckon with the subject of petrol vs diesel! Cheers fellas!
Thanks guys for keeping me sane. I’m at home iv watched all the 4wd action DVD from ep114 threw till now. My young bloke is 6weeks old his loved sitting on my lap and watching/slept threw them all. It’s the best way to fill in time as I have broken both of my feet and I’m laid up for 10weeks. Cheers
My old landrover series IIA swb had a four cylinder petrol with about 2 and a half horsepower. But the gearing was MAGNIFICENT, it was light, and it was unstoppable offroad.
That's my truck in the 'naked' photo, strap was going to a recovery point, that's not me on the bonnet, it's a mate and I'm behind the wheel still, and he's not naked, he had undies on, just funnier to make him look naked
Not forgetting that a basic diesel will run in water as long as it has compression and its air intake is above the water level. A petrol requires a spark on each cylinder, on every cycle to ignite, so you have to go to town on waterproofing electrics if you plan on deep wading. Once a diesel is up to temperature after a couple of km's, the glow plugs switch off and it just keeps going!
For older diesels and petrols with distributors this is the case but with modern electronic controlled common rail diesels i don't think there is much of a difference anymore, petrols are far less sensitive to water now whilst diesel has gotten more sensitive
i have a 4 cilinder turbo diesel that i never trade for a petrol v8...never. petrol is bad in winter, bad in water, and consumes a LOT , my fj40 does a 12 kilometers per litre!!!!
@@adrianopezao4923 agree bro, I’ve got the same engine, half the rego half the fuel, half the maintainence. Owned petrol engines my whole life, first Diesel I’ve ever owned and I love it.
Hi guys, I know this is afew months old, but i really needed to watch this tonight. I have had both petrol and diesel and love both. I am still getting over the fires we had down here, and i can tell you, I thought we were goners. I had a 99 GU i was doing alot too, and was my pride and joy, but I lost her in the fires. So by default, well who knows. At least we are alive is all I can say...........tke care all and be safe
I have owed both petrol and diesel 4x4s and to be honest I do love the diesel motor for the low down torque makes it much easier to climb hills but I really do miss the power of the v6 petrol for the power through the mud.
As we Americans know Diesel engines are limited to heavy duty / mostly work trucks “for the most part”. We don’t have as many options to choose from, that being said the gas engines we have are responsive, sound great and powerful, “for the most part”. Gotta love a good ol’V8!!!
Here in the USA, up until recently pretty much all our trucks with diesel engines were built for towing and were far heavier than ones with gas engines. There's a ridiculous amount of small block v8 gassers on rigs here especially with the newer all aluminum light weight and very reliable LS based engines. It's cool to finally see our trucks and SUV's coming out with smaller diesels in them and/or people swapping them into their rigs with one's out of older car's and such. Id love to have a cheap diesel that has the same weight and power as a small block gasser but it's not going to happen cheaply or easily at all. I have both now but for different reasons and love both for different reasons. Edit: here in the USA, most of the country gas is a lot easier to get. There's many stations around me that don't sell diesel at all and live in Oklahoma which is full of diesels. Also, we don't have near as much open country to wheel like Australia and a few other country's. We have quite a bit but nothing like Australia at all and that sucks.
Yeah these guys are backwards from us in the States. I was thinking of swapping a diesel into my montero but it was just too expensive to get 200hp. I ended up going with a 5.3 and its almost done, and for a lot cheaper than a diesel. It would be nice to get 30mpg though
I have a petrol 4.5 GU Patrol auto and I love it to bits! Yes it’s very thirsty, like VERY thirsty, and yes it’s kinda slow and doesn’t have much power but I take that beast out every chance I get, drive tough tracks and push the old girl to the limits. With no lockers but an auto and some good driving I reckon it’s an awesome 4WD and it doesn’t break the bank to buy being a petrol.
100% agree my 4x4 is also Diesel and I'd never think of a petrol That said the 300 in my 72 F350 makes its power and torque under 2 grand and paired with the granny 5 speed it's got more low end then a 1hz, I'll be replacing it with a diesel once its dead (so probably in another 48 years lol)
I recently watched a video on youtube where a business in Victoria towed the same van up into the mountains and back with three vehicles. The vehicles were a Landcruiser 200, Y62 supercharged Patrol and a large American diesel ute. Much to everyone's surprise, the petrol Patrol not only towed the van more easily than the diesel 200 series, it had more performance and used less fuel! Very enlightening. The modern petrols can be as economical as a diesel.
On the diesel servicing issue, recommended service intervals for my DMax are 15000k. I admit to oil change at 10000. Beautifully quiet on the road and no need for gear changes even when towing. Also,, 185rwhp (dyno’d) plus 560NM is not too shabby for a simple chip tune. These are now available with 3 dash-set tunes : extreme power, towing power and economy - no need to sacrifice economy for performance except when you want! Love you show - get Coopers red label next time!
New clutch in my 4wd next week. Can get up the big hills again. I ran a bottle of Fuel Dr in my R51. within 1 tank of fuel my car was loosing rail pressure and it clogged my fuel filter. So it did its job getting the crap out of the fuel tank but hopefully nothing got into the injector.
I have both. Bought the petrol after the diesel. The diesel is brilliant for towing and low down torque is great for crawling, but the petrol is just so much more fun in the mud and sand!
Here in the states, mud holes are dominated by gasoline trucks. Diesel trucks are usually looked at as towing / work vehicles. They are also very expensive because we don’t have many cars/ non offroad vehicles that are diesel. Our laws are also too damn strict to get the best performance
I'm in the Midwest in the United States. We love our diesels for low end grunt and longevity. We have alot of large full size 4x4 trucks that we play with especially in the mud. We also have an almost Cultist following of our inline six cylinder engines especially Jeep guys. We also like the low end grunt out of these engines but like having that higher RPM range for our Mud and snow running. The ford 300 cu. in. and jeep 242 or 258 inline six cylinders are also well known for going over 300, 000 miles before wearing out. We love them both gas and diesel. Luckily over here we can find gas anywhere. The one detrimental thing for us in many areas is the Northern climates. We run the risk of Gelling up and not starting in the cold winter months. We have to keep pouring the anti-gel products into the tank which adds even more costs and have to worry about bio-diesel fungus and changing fuel filters constantly. We still think it is worth it for our diesels though. I enjoyed your conversation and the pros and cons. Keep her right side up guys remember no wheels in the air.
You boys definitely need to come over the ditch and spend some time at Pouto Point (pronounced Poe-tow) epic beach runs, massive dunes including a fun run up to a lighthouse, forestry tracks and some excellent camping spots
I just got the v8 Landrover Discovery thing is a beast 💪 i have had both diesel and petrol and definitely petrol for power and nice drive however diesel for low down power and reliability
Diesel is usually about $4k option on a truck here in the states and we are very limited on what we can get with a diesel. Diesel is also currently 56 cents more per gallon in western Pennsylvania at the moment.
Great work guys keeping content during lock down, have spent a lot of money during lockdown on my Bounty getting maintenance done. Did full front end balljoint replacement, new shocks and new rear shoes. Cant wait to get out this weekend to test it out. Brings up the point I'm getting to - balljoints. 4wding is hard on they gotta check them often and properly. Keep them vehicles safe
I have a petrol 200 series Sahara, it cost me $45,000, Equivalent diesel was well over $80,000. It is quiet and smooth and does everything I need it to do. Towing, off roading and camping and I work out of it throughout the week. The difference at the pump isn’t as big as people think, usually running around the 15l per hundred to 20 when towing heavy loads. If I was to go outback yeah I’d go a diesel every day of the week and it would be an 80 series or something a bit easier to work on. but for anything else I really love the petrol.
I'm an American and totally love watching you guys! I wanted to ask if either of you have ever seen the Southern Rock Rods / Bouncers in action that we have here? If not, I know you would appreciate them... :) G'day mates!
I've had diesel and petrol 4x4s, Land rover, Toyota and Nissan. The lesson I learnt is that if you do mostly beach driving, petrol is the way to go... Power on tap and straight up the dunes. If you like to go muddling and rock climbing, diesel torque is the way to go. 1 thing worth mentioning is if you want to go Mudding in a petrol 4x4 you NEED TO GET A PRODUCT CALLED LECTRA SHIELD FROM CRC Products. I had a disco 1 v8 running almost underwater without misfiring when I got pinned on the diffs. Quick note I now drive a hzj105 on 35s and would never go back to a petrol anything 👍 Cheers fellas top job as always
My petrol 80 series is a beast . 460k unopened and runs like brand new . 15k services and no pesky timing belts . I love it and it is made to last 1 million k's before the 1st major overhaul . No known factory defaults . Overall roughly the same to run as a diesel 80 . Yet a lot cheaper to fix and to purchase . Go the FZJ80
I've had both petrol and diesel 4wd's and like them both but I've just gone back to petrol after having two diesel vehicles in a row, the main reason being it's an fzj80 in great condition for a sensible price, overall it's cheaper all things considered to own petrol I have found, all the reasoning you've put forward is true.
Had a Petrol Jackaroo 3.5V6. Cost me nothing over 12 years, except some petrol. When booting it over 3000rpm it took off with a delightful growl. Brilliant. Now I have a GU7 diesel Patrol - it cost me a bloody fortune to make it feel less like a slug - forever dipping hand into wallet. When booting it at any revs it just doesn't take off at all, and definitely doesn't have a delightful growl. I still like it though, but it might have been cheaper to put a LS into it instead of pouring money after money into the diesel.
I've got 2uz v8 with unichip and exhaust, makes max torque 1200rpm, and hauls. One of the greatest v8's ever made. I'm a huge fan of the diesel v8s but I wouldn't swap this engine. Also like to thank.u boys for the $199 oricom deal installed that on the weekend
The Isuzu engine in my old rodeo is rock solid, and I just love the sound of an old diesel. An advantage of the diesel is that if I want more power I can turn up the boost and fuel in and roll coal
If your out in remote places and put a bad batch of diesel in your vehicle your fuel system is stuffed but with a petrol have a bit of a miss but the fuel system don't need over hauling
Just brought my first 4wd and was keen to get a diesel, but when the options for the same price are a petrol with 15 thousand kms vs a diesel with 200k it's was an ovbious choice.
Well, for example here in the US, we have the Ford F150. 2 of the engines are ecoboost engines, a twin turbo 2.7L V6 and a Twin Turbo 3.5L v6. I have the 3.5, and it makes 370hp and 420lb/ft of torque factory. After a tune only, it can gain that level of power at the wheels and not just crankshaft power figures. The engines have been touted as diesel like in torque delivery, because its 400+lb/ft at around 1500rpm.
I have a petrol as Suzuki Jimnys only came out here with the donks. Love the thing, doesn't make tons of power or torque but boy with the locker and reduction gears there are not many places she wont crawl even on 27.5" tyres haha. I love the ability to rev her out, something about getting into a stick of bother and having the rpm to double your speed through. I toured with her if you don't remember seeing me and her in the the VIC highcountry in dec 2018, (during the first time the new dMax was used) I also inherited a patrol from the old man, the slow 2.8lt diesel GU, been in the family since she was bought second hand at 6 months old. She has been a very reliable girl with only a handful of bigger mechanical failures in the last 20 years, the torque is nice compared to the zook and cruises on the highway better but she definitely is slow around town. The GU has towed the family and the c-van around the country and will probably turn into my touring rig as she is still low km and a well kept stocker.
We used to have Series 2 Land Rovers in the Army, they went to places I didn't want to walk. 3/4 ton Rover with a ton on board and 3/4 ton trailer with at least a ton and we went over the same type of tracks that were as bad as what you drive on.
Went from a 3L turbo diesel (1KZTE in a Hilux Surf) to a 3.7L V6 petrol in a Jeep. I took careful note of all running costs over a year and the 3.7L V6 Jeep won out in terms of running costs. The biggest killer by far in my country was the "Road User Charges" that diesels have. There's government taxes built into petrol costs but due to different types of diesel vehicles the tax is done separately via this cost... The current RUC for a 2 axle diesel "ute" / "pickup" under 3.5 tonnes is $72 per 1,000Km's.
We took a J8, and put a petrol engine in the rear. Front end grabs with all that tourqe going up a steep grade, then we kick it in an the petrol gives those high rev's when you have to give it to get up the long grade.
U fellas woulda loved how my old 75 series cruiser looked rolling into Lockhart River from Cairns. master cylinder went on the brakes on the PDR so 4th to 2nd dwn the to the floodways, ended up snapping the leaf spring pins on the axle and the axle on the tinny trailer shifted a wheel width left before the u-bolt came off. Crabbed walked the cruiser with a smashed windscreen into lockhart with trailer n boat on tray 14hrs later
I don't have a shed hear in South Africa, but it's always good to see you guys programs. The only thing currently here in SA is making it very hard for our 4WD Action SA fans to enjoy this new shed series with you guys;is having a cold beer with you guys. Our enormous clever president has put a "no alcohol sale" al over SA, don't know till when. So in the meen time we must enjoy the show without any refreshments
mechanically injected diesels (not including electronically control mechanical pumps) are hard to beat, minimal electrics, no ecu, no limp mode, will run underwater as long as the intake can breath and is sealed, very simple to work on ,but they lack in power and require more maintenance than petrols but are very reliable and still get the job done
As an American, I'm going to say the vast majority of our 4 wheel drive vehicles are Gasoline powered. There hasn't been a lot of good diesel options. Not to say our diesels are bad, they're, but they're all almost exclusively in massive (4 and 5 ton), fullsize pick up trucks that are 20 feet long. You rarely see a diesel rig on the trail because they don't fit.
I think range is the biggest advantage of diesels. Here in the US it's nearly impossible to fit an auxiliary gasoline tank, but diesel is no problem. Unfortunately we don't get the great smaller diesel options available to the rest of the world thanks to the over the top emissions regulations here. Chevrolet is even discontinuing the diesel option in the Colorado here.
Interesting discussion.. Here in North America Petrol vs Diesel is opposite as Aussie. Here Diesel is hard to find in remote areas while petrol is everywhere.
