An all-time great episode, Oliver gave a great performance, lived up to the character arc handed him. I really warmed up to his Lee (didn’t think I would). And somehow, he really looks great during his extended death scene.
Excellent acting by Stephen Oliver. Lee cared so much for Mr. Peyton. He never realized he was being manipulated and used. Supposedly to avenge Ann's death, but Peyton never cared for Ann. It was all so useless.
Steven Oliver really showed what a solid actor he was in his final Peyton Place scene. I will miss Stephen Oliver's presence on the show. He really did a great job as Lee Webber, turning him into a more decent and humane human being. I also think he was the best looking guy on the series. It is fitting and just for the character Lee Webber to have figured out why Martin Peyton set him up. Despite being violent towards Sandy and Chris and stalking Ann Howard, I don't think Lee Webber killed Ann. I still think she accidentally fell to her death.
How many more people must die because of peyton? Stephen for a second time saved Peyton's life by trying to wrest the gun from Lee! How could Peyton now act as though Stephen is a murderer? God, of all the people in all the world peyton should actually love, it's Stephen!
He did not say you saved me Steven, he said, you killed him Steven, guess Steven had to go back and wait weber to finish him Still in some ways I felt sorry for Weber, mostly because that he was lied all the time while he genuinely tried hard to be loyal
The new hairstyle really suits Connie, it has a much softer look and makes her look much younger. Will miss Lee, he really was a great actor and played a very intense and troubled character. He had similar qualities to James Dean in playing mean and moody but also vulnerable too.
I was getting to really like Lee, he may not have killed Ann, now Martin bamboozled him into getting killed. Lee was probably the only person loyal to the old man who wasn't blackmailed or wanting something. Lee could have made a good long-term assistant.
I agree with many of you that Lee has grown into a more likeable character. We now hear that his father beat him when Lee was a child, once again showing how one's childhood influences one's life. He truly cared for Martin Peyton, who only was seeking vengeance for a granddaughter he didn't care about.
That’s so horrible! Steven saved Martin Peyton again and what did his no good grandfather say? Steven has redeemed himself in my eyes. MP is not evil, he is satanic!
Indeed, as others here have commented, one of the greatest episodes in the history of soaps. Stephen Oliver's final performance as the always put down and dismissed, seemingly himself always abusive Lee Webber, reaches a cathartic crescendo as he brilliantly conveys the anguish of his betrayal to Martin Peyton, who was the ultimate manipulator, incapable of caring for anyone else but himself, and always trenchantly portrayed by George Macready, one of the most mesmeric of urbane heavies in the whole history of cinema. The writers of this 1967 episode may have also meant to imply that there was not just Webber's hero worship of Mr. Peyton, but also a homoerotic subtext in which the offbeat sexual and possessive love Webber had felt for any number of female paramours and in his wife in the series (most enticingly portrayed by Lana Wood, who was, like her older sister Natalie, also one of cinema's great beauties, with Lana having been briefly married to Oliver before they annulled their relationship), finally found consummation in his indeed almost orgiastic "daddy" feelings for the curmudgeonly imperial "Old Man Peyton." Few continuing dramas before or since have been better ensconced than this now classic rendering of Grace Metalious's novel and the two feature films it spawned immediately afterwards. But this outstanding episode is clearly one for the ages.
"larryjamesglanalkos345," "homoerotic subtext" -- "The writers of this 1967 episode may have also meant to imply . . ." "May have" With no basis of knowledge of or facts, one could propose "may have" about anything. Secondly, in today's society -- with all the advances and acceptance of all things LGBTQ+ -- anyone from "Peyton Place"'s studio, 20th Century Fox Television, or network, ABC, or survivors of executive producer Paul Monash and assorted members of the creative staff, surviving cast regulars and / or their relatives plus their agents, managers, publicists would be falling over one another to boast THEY were at the forefront of presenting a gay character(s) and / or story arc DECADES before other studios and CBS and NBC caught up. Surely the renown popular media historian Robert J. Thompson, an objective, thorough observer, would have made note of the ground-breaking event in 1960s network television -- if it had ever happened; if it were true. Here are the facts. In 60 years since "Peyton Place"'s initial network telecasts and its scrutiny as one of the1960s' boldest, controversial, closely examined shows, achieving iconic status, not once has a revelation popped up about a gay character, played by either cast regular or guest performer. This proposition is 'totally out of left field.' So, making the impossible possible, i.e., there WAS a "homoerotic subtext" -- Lee Webber has the hots for Martin Peyton?!?! 'No way; not a chance; 'not in 1200 years.' In the one in a million chance Lee Webber, town hound and menace extraordinaire, had feelings for those of his own sex, this ugly specimen old enough to be his grandfather, and who LOOKS and ACTS old enough to be his great grandfather, Martin Peyton, wouldn't make the cut, Just as assuredly Lee's ULTRA hot wife Sandy (Lana Wood), whom Rodney and a significant number of the adult male population of Peyton Place would each give a month's salary for the bliss of one night between the sheets with) would kick him out of the house and she'd become the ex Mrs. Webber so fast. Again, for over 60 years, as far as we know, a "homoerotic subtext" wasn't written, acted or conveyed in any of the 514 episodes. But IF one was going to suggest a candidate that some would consider plausible -- and not totally outrageous like Webber - Peyton -- Doctors Hospital nursing staff supervisor Miss Choate (Erin O'Brien Moore) -- 'maybe.' "larryjamesglanalkos345," your praise offered for this episode is spot on, but your sidetrack, your wishful thinking about "homoerotic subtext" of Lee Webber for Martin Peyton is a ridiculous fabricated insinuation that "is clearly one for the ages." [Ironically, 20th Century Fox Television's "The Long, Hot Summer" ['Based on Stories by William Faulkner' reads a title card] also on ABC concurrently, did have an adult male gay character in its Oct. 28, 1965 episode. In 'No Hiding Place' -- a very telling title -- Ray Stricklyn played Charles Pettigrew, rich and eligible Clara Varner's (Nancy Malone) friend / potential suitor / Thanksgiving dinner date, all of three years running, who, to her dismay, finally 'comes out of the closet' revealing they can never be Mr. & Mrs. . . . A decade later ABC let pass, i.e.. included, a gay character as a regular in its sitcom "The Corner Bar."]
Stephen has now saved his grandfather's life a second time. The first time was from a fire and now this. You would think Martin Peyton would be grateful and not be the selfish, mean, arrogant bastard he truly is.
That ridiculous storyline was nothing but a gimmick, an impromptu stunt that wasn't well thought out or thought through. How often do we see the parents 'cooing' over that baby's crib like he was the light of their lives? The answer is rarely. That was one instance where it's conceivable the ABC network execs could have stepped in and said, "Connie and Elliott, mid-40s -- really now; just how is Matthew going to remain a member of the cast in a way that seems believable and relevant -- and NOT a gimmick?" In contrast, look how vital little Kelly was when Joyce Jillson joins the cast as Jill. That was all laid out well in advance. At various times Kellly's the focus of attention for Jill, Mike, Norman and Rita, Mike's brother Joe and Steven -- all key characters. Each is heavily invested in the care and/or well-being for that darling child. Let's face it: if Mia Farrow hadn't cut her number of days worked when she escaped to lover Sinatra's yacht for an indeterminate time; hadn't impulsively cut her hair and later, bailed on the show; if new regular Leigh Taylor-Young, essentially filling the HUGE void created by Farrow's exit, hadn't gotten pregnant essentially the day, or within days, that she first reported to work at 20th Century Fox; if Susan Oliver had remained for the duration of her contracted one-year contract instead of 'Ann Howard' only being around for a fourth of the intended duration (THAT remains a mystery to most, but it wasn't Ms. Oliver's doing); and if the show hadn't expanded to a third night then "Peyton Place" could have retained its believeability, its core, popular, regulars populating established and new, riveting storylines / arcs -- then the combination of all those could have maintained its success in the ratings each week.
Are you some kind of nut? The old man was seriously off his rocker. He just wanted to expend as much damage as he could, all in the name of revenge. For a worthless daughter against grandchildren who would amount to something without his "help".
Steven again saved Payton second times, seems he can not live without Peyton, it was short time ago he also wanted to push him on the stairs and committed murder in his mind as he told Adrienne Peyton ……..the way he treated weber was far beyond disgusting Around this man and hurrington there are only intrigues, they are worse than weber whose father was a bum and beat him all the time Exactly, as weber says, if he was such a good grand father, why did he gave her away as if she was a package or bundle of something and never bothered to provide any family or care
democolor42 Totally agree: It was disgusting the way Martin organized Lee to be "offed"! And, hell, we never did learn exactly HOW Ann died! She could've slipped & fell off the bluff, committed suicide (after Hannah tracked her down at the bluff and made Ann further feel like crap)-----or who knows? The writers really dropped by ball regarding the conclusion of the Ann Howard/Colby storyline. Lee was seen by Allison on the shore road around the time of Ann's death (on his motorcycle) but that doesn't mean a thing. Chris testified on the stand that he'd heard Ann & Lee arguing and then her screaming.....but Chris later admitted he lied on the stand. Yet again, far too many questions than concrete answers. :-(
Yeah I was starting to like Lee. He turned out to be a tragic character. I'm ready for someone to wack Peyton. He's no better than Eddie or Lee when he was bad. Poor Lee just needed someone to appreciate him. Peyton probably killed Adrienne.
@@suki44883 I know she fell down the steps. There was a short question as to what killed her and I thought maybe Peyton had Lee finish her off after Betty left. The plot went no where.
