Good stuff. Subscribed. As a primarily “mobile” dj that does clubs here and there i agree with your comments about the Rane 12. the phase just makes more sense to me. i can drop it in my bag with my sl box and if the venue has shotty equipment hook it up. on the other hand the 12 is cool in theory but i already own cdjs, turntables, a sz2 and sb so it really isnt cost effective. if the 12 were more like $400 each instead of $700 i’d give them a chance but for $1400 a pair 👎🏾 just for a glorified midi controller. #pass
Tre Valentine I agree with you. It’s crazy to think that they are charging the same cost as a real turntable. They should have kept the tonearm and gave djs the option of either or. The phase is my choice too. Thanks for the sub fam.
Cleveland Terry Bowens depending on sales maybe InMusic may decide to create a turntable based off the Denon deck and features similar to a Reloop RP 8000. My prediction is by next year around this time prices will drop to $500 and this product will fade away like the 3900s and Numark V7s.
I think you may be on to something. I also think Pioneer has a patent for a turntable with screens like on the cdj 2000nx2. It's just a matter of time. I think they were just waiting to see what Rane released first. It should be a great year for DJs
Tre Valentine I fully agree you my dude. The phase will not only make it easier for turntablist like me to dj in clubs with worry of the baas messing up the needle but the showmanship you can display with it will for sure make it ten times more fun. It doesn't make any sense to buy a rane 12 when you already own turntables and the phase seems to be specifically marked towards turntablist. So phase all the way👌👌 all that new rane mixer I wouldn't mind having that.
With the Phase DJ’s can spin plates... you know Aoki will be on that in between throwing cakes... can’t do that with the Rane Twelve... jokes aside... phase is half the price of one Twelve... it’s a no brainier... the twelve is essentially a V7 mk2 with a Rane sticker on it 👍 I’m still rocking an NS7mkII, does me fine...
Pretty sure it's mainly the spindle where the rotational info comes from in relation to the platter for the 12 and not simply the platter so a slipmat wouldn't work (unless you can attach the slipmat to the spindle) doesn't the wax need to be attached to the spindle by a tension screw?
I learned with vinyl and still play vinyl. I got Serato and have been using it for 10 years also but I want to get away from the computer. I just don't like using my computer when I DJ. Pioneer has a small screen with their cdjs/xdjs but I don't like the feel of a jog wheel. It would be nice if Rane can do the same thing with their Twelves then I'm sold! But no matter what, the viny experience is exclusive.
Great video, man! I can relate to dealing with what beat up gear some clubs provide. LOL thankfully, got good deck setup at home.. Good info too on Rane 12 vs Phase. Keep it up!
Good video!! I was planning on buying the rane 12 but because of the price I was going to bypass it and buy some other turntabe buy now you confirmed it for me.
Great points sir i like how cear you are about all of this i'm considering the Rane products but after watching this i will do more research. The Phase sounds more reasonable esp. price wise
Screw this rubbish i'll stick with my Technics SL1210mkII decks and Traktor timecoded vinyl you go on about them not being useable but what a joke of course it's useable and not many Technics platters are warped. Technics decks are still worldwide being used becausae they work and have been shown to last more than 30 years of hard club use. I never get any problems with my Technics, it's ok that you prefer all fake dj'ing using digital gimmics but millions of dj's around the world still use Technics. Hell even nightclubs and raves all across the world still use Technics sSL1210mkII decks alongside CD turntables.
I wouldn't mind a pair of TWELVE's. One could easily assign them to Serato decks which theoretically allows one to have a 4 deck setup with two units(?). The gripes for me are that they are expensive and I would miss playing my actual vinyl from time to time, and given they don't have an onboard audio interface to plug into a mixer's line input, the cost continues to rise when factoring in the need for a Serato compatible / unlocking mixer or interface. So I think I would buy the Phase and preserve my needles for non-DVS vinyl use on my 1210's. One thing I do like is the hybrid MIDI controller decks coming along.
Good points. Lots of clubs have dusty old turntables; they can just get phase and they're good to go. Do you know about software support for Phase? Serato and Pioneer etc have conflicts with support for this product because its gonna hurt some of their hardware investments. I know VirtualDJ is going to be good to go.
So I assume that with the Rane 12 tables, you can't read vinyl as analog (since there is no needle), right? I feel like the perfect combo would be a regular pair of turntables (WITH a needle) paired with Phase controllers. Then you can play both regular analog vinyl format, or needle-less. Skip the Rane. Phase just deprecated them.
flashgord2007 hey man, thanks for words. The twelves are class compliant so you can midi map them to the software of your choice. Of course you’ll lose some things but they will work.
I'm a rane fan, but I would go for the phase system. The phase basically turns any turntables to work as a controller platter. The one deal breaker with the rane 12s is the location of the cue point buttons. They should have put them at the bottom similar to the way reloop did their decks. Can't imagine having to reach over the platter to hit a cue button.
Phase all the way, still have my 1210s with serato sl3 dvs, and still play old records too, so the Phase's will save me wearing needles just playing a mere tone on the DVS vinyl. I have no space, or desire to have 4 deck sized things, as the 1210s are for life. I also use Traktor DJ on an iPad, for those super lightweight times, if Native Instruments would allow that to work with Phase I'd be shocked, but buzzed! Phase is one of the very few things since DVS first appeared that has risen my eyebrows. I hope they do well.
phase works really well and it really good feel but it does still have an issue, while testing a pair out they both crashed and were rendered useless until they had to both be put back in the charger/cradle and reset. i think they should have had a tech guy on hand just in case. i do have the mixfader which is pretty good indeed but the lack of feel when using an ipad put me off that setup. release date is pushed back but hopefully it will go general soon plus mwm does have a suite of mobile apps...
Which technology they used? Was it as good as phase or not? You know, jumpy needles are part of the culture, too. Needles are used for more than a century, so manufacturers should create something really good to compete with legendary standard.
ok..my opinion.. for me best up-to-date solution is A PLAYER AS RANE TWELVE THAT PLAY WITHOUT LAPTOP.. 1) laptop on dj booth are a bad watching, are complicated devices and are an annoying weight to carry over 2) Denon has released SC5000M but is OVER priced and is a 7”, good but isn’t a 12” 3) vinyl are expensive and many of us couldn’t have vinyl at home, and they are heavy too to transport if as mobile dj 3) we’ve to wait Pioneer but I’m unsure they’ll release a product as Rane one because they sell turntables and their supply chain is set on CDJ format (I think it's for that reason Denon has not released a 12” version SC5000M).. I’ve a XDJ-RX2 but I’d wish something with more vinyl feel..I've to decide what & when..
DJRokko i actially talk about your points in other videos. I agree. All the products coming out are shortsighted. They all missed huge opportunities to do something special.
Sounds like a no brainer. If you already have turntables the Phase beat out the Rane 12’s on value. 350 for Phase / w two remotes & the wireless receiver vs Ranes @ $ 7 to $800 per turntable. Even if you wanted extra Phase Remotes for backups for the ones being used in a set then Phase still beat Rane on price @ $ 500.
I think you are incorrect on the rane, it’s not getting the signal from the platter I think it’s getting the signal from the spindle in the middle like the ns7 Bc that’s where the vinyl screws into
Open Thoughts I think you may want to hit your brakes. You are making huge assumptions on everyone’s ability to DJ. I for one have been spinning vinyl since the 90s. I know what DJing is. I also know where it is now and there’s nothing wrong with making life a little easier. I was DJing an event last week in Canada and the bass cabinets were right under the tables. Made it impossible to mix. Had to mix and quickly go internal. With the phase I could have still done everything as normal. Are you saying you’d rather have turntables that jump around the whole night? No thanks. That’s hard for the wrong reasons my friend.
Problem that both are not standalone hardware....so ...there are many other "controlers / cdjs - that can be used with DVS.....like denon decks..3900 and 3700....
6 лет назад
hello friend. What camera model do you use to record your video?
I used a Panasonic Lumix G7 with the G 12-35 2.8 for this one but I just upgraded to the Lumix G9. That's on my other video about controllers vs turntables
6 лет назад
ok thanks friend..excellent video best regards from chile
ty very much love video i'm going simular problem ,need more room have studio as well .DJFREECAN from canada peace one thing want to ask does the rane 12 work with traktor?
Tattooed drummer the 12vs can be used with any hardware. Most people don’t use controllers and turntables together, not to mention it was designed for Rane products. You’d need a usb hub just to run it.
DJ Ray The One Aruba I think it would be the same amount of cables. You wouldn’t use the RCAs from the turntables. You’d plug the phase right into the SL box.
I have 1200s on DVS and things I don’t like are the drifting, the fine tune on the pitch fader is not sensitive enough and the dust on the needles can be annoying. So I wonder if I should get a rane 12 and all those problems are over or will a phase take care of all this? If the phase can solve this is rather get it. I like my 1200s just need to find a way to control the fine pitch adjustment and prevent drifting.
manny Pep mint condition or not there will always be some drift between turntables which is why you get them serviced so they are as close as possible. If you want to avoid that, the Rane 12s or jog wheels are really the only way to go. Not even sure the phase system will change that.
T’s Life I would say there’s a little more tech in their than Bluetooth but yes, as DJs we love our tone arms. The reality is things are changing and we just need to be prepared.
Cleveland Terry Bowens That is my point ,we don’t have to keep up ! It is companies trying to make money selling less than what we already have. An analogue turntable works perfect,why take away everything that makes a turntable and call it technology. CDJs of 2018 ,don’t buy that argument,it’s a marketing ploy ! Magnetic faders were a real technological advance. Making CDJs look like an IPad is not cool bro. I liken it to riding a longboard compared to a real skateboard,ok you have four wheels but it’s WACK !!! Cheers for the reply mate ,this will be my pet hate till I die I suppose....
Tim Brown Not that many caise I know how to set them up lol bro it’s not like they break every week ,month or even 6 months. Just zero them and set the recommended cartridge weight. Can’t get pops from digital ,sorry CDJ lord but it’s still wack as and if I pay 60$ for new stylus ,it ain’t shit. Better not use a drill cause bits snap some times ... Better not drive a car cause tyres blow out sometimes .... Stylus could be 500$ and I still wouldn’t invest in this tech. Cool if you do ,but I’ll keep cranking the analogue and my poxy needles.
@CTBowens you are exactly on point with your comment. Now, the phase may be an option because you still have the option to play vinyl. The press "play" DJs will love the new technology to make it just much easier to press play.
Id also consider re-sale value. You will always find buyers looking for actual turntables. Good luck trying to sell the Twelves when the "Thirteen" come out. Mark my words, Rane will update this like pioneer shits out controllers or Iphone brings out a new phone every year. The Twelve is not a real turntable, nor is it a full controller. Its just a spinning platter. Thats it! Your paying $200 for the machine and $600 for the brand! Im keeping my turntables and getting the Phase.
the Phaze has too many fucking wires AND you have to be sure they are always charged. I'm trying to carry LESS and have less wires everywhere. As far as this whole system with the 72, it's all impressive but, not worth the asking price. These are just fancy, over-priced MIDI CONTROLLERS. The 12s should be 2-3 hundred each and the 72 should be around 5-7 hundred at most. At those prices I MIGHT consider getting the whole system. I'm going to hold off for now until it gets closer to the end of the year and see what else comes out.
Borderlands808 well to be fair, it’s only 3 wires and the batter lasts for 10 hrs on a single one hour charge. As far as the 72, that 500-700$ is extremely unrealistic. The Rane SL4 is like $900. Their flagship devices are always around $1600+. That’s the going rate for top of the line mixers. But yes, the whole set up is ridiculously expensive.
Grant Justice to each their own my friend. Everyone has a style and this is mine. You may have not liked it but a lot of others do. However I keep people like you who just want facts in mind. In the about section I literally said skip to 2:00 to get to the comparison for people that don’t have an interest in my life. However I’m more than just a data sheet.
Leaving stuff at home or forget charging (phase charging takes 1 hour) is a con of the product ? cmon please thats the lazyness of the dj, but there is a big con of the Rane12 the price cause you need the mixer for the 12, cause they get connected via usb so you have to pay acound 3500 for the set to get started. On the other side you just pay 299 for the phase thats the same price like you switching your shure m44 system to a nother system with 1 pair of extra needles.
Jan D Moran I had to give the phase a con or people would say I’m just hating on Rane. They are pretty much perfect imo. As far as the Rane 12. You don’t need the mixer to use them. You can use any mixer. They are class compliant. You’ll just need the extra USB ports.
