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Philips SHP9500 Headphones With Brainwavz HM5 Pads

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THIS IS A COMFORT MOD, THIS IS DONE FOR PEOPLE THAT GET EAR SORENESS FROM THE STOCK PADS BEING TOO SHALLOW RESULTING IN THE HEADPHONES SQUISHING YOUR EARS IN! **DO NOT DO THIS MOD JUST FOR SOUND IMPROVEMENT**
EDIT: Years later a few of the plastic clips broke off, I could tell by them rattling around so I just tossed them. My pads stay on just fine, they don't fall off on their own but come off with minimal effort if you do try to remove them. ALSO, the pleather material started cracking and flaking off just after the two year warranty was up so I replaced the pads with the Brainwavz Hybrid Memory Foam Earpads, pleather on the outside and velour that touches your face, so much more comfy and longer lasting than the HM5's.
HM5 pads do fit the SHP9500's perfectly! No ring adapters needed! Holy cow are these things comfortable!
Do use this as more of a guide than a how to. You can use any of your favorite pads.
It is not necessary to make any cuts on the pads it just make it a lot easier to clip them on.
The pads I used are several years old and cracked all over the place.
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@stringstorm 6 лет назад

I tried to remove the pads on mine. First attempt, the plastic latches broke off even when I was extra careful. Did some googling and found out that this seems to be the case with a great deal of people. So not only do you need a gentle but firm hand but also luck. Only solution for me now was to plasticglue the ring with the new pads onto the headphone permanently. So I would not recommend doing this unless you have a back up plan when the latch snaps off.

@KvltKommando 2 года назад

They looked very breakable in the video so I made sure to counter balance my force with pressure near the middle be very careful to not apply any horizontal pressure during the removal but it definitely felt like they'd break the entire time. That said, I think if you only broke one plastic tab it would probably be fine.

@biribobili 5 лет назад

Hey man, nice video! Here are some tips I've learned while modding pads: I would recommend getting a pair of small sewing scissors. They're great for working with tiny pieces of foam, fabric, leather etc. You can also put some masking tape on the pads before cutting them and this will help make nice clean cuts. If the masking tape adhesive is strong you can stick it on some cloth and peel it off, repeating as necessary, to reduce its tackiness before putting it on your pads. Otherwise the tape can damage the surface of the leather when you pull it off.

@nicermog 6 лет назад

I use the ghetto mod; just roll up a couple of socks and stuff them in behind the earpads. Probably best to use freshly laundered socks though.

@tleytek 6 лет назад

I unfortunately did this mod, and let it be known that it increases the discomfort of the headphones from the minuscule amount they had to an unusable amount. For those who have the problem with your ears touching the driver fabric and looking to get rid of that, this mod will fix it. I too had that problem and tried this to fix it, and it brought on an even more uncomfortable problem which could not be undone. The new problem was a very uncomfortable pressure point right above the ears cause by the pads being thicker than the originals. So instead of a slight abrasion on the cartilage of my ear, I now had headache inducing pressure pressed at the top most part of the ear pads. Please be extra weary of this as I am sure many already are when they think of trying this. I suggest doing what he did at 0:40 but only in the area behind the ear instead of all around it, so the foam shape would be crescent.

@Rubindy 2 года назад

are you talking about new pads or the thing he does at 0:40 sry not so good in english. what do you mean with behind the ear? at left and right in the middle?

@JeradBenge 3 года назад

Four years, and two pad swaps later, I still love gaming with these. About to try the Brainwavz angled hybrid pads. If I don't like those, there's always the 1840 velours to fall back on.

@ronbondoc3714 3 года назад

im planning to buy this headphones the one thing holding me back is the small plastic where the headband and earcups meet which i heard very small and may be a weak point hows your holding up not snapping the earcups?

@JeradBenge 3 года назад

@@ronbondoc3714 I'd say over 4 years is already a great lifespan for a budget pair of headphones. The only maintenance they've needed is the usual cleaning, or pad swap.

@jourdinthedragon 3 года назад

@@ronbondoc3714 My pads wore out and I had to replace them (mine are . I did 3d printed adapters and added the new pads. I don't know how you treat your headphones, but I imagine my new pads will wear out before the headband does. Now, if I went to do a bench press laying on them,that'd be a different story. But I don't really think of any part of them as "weak". I'm probably at 5 years ownership. I use mine every day for work with a different cable (to have an in-line mic).

@Huntmx24 3 года назад

@@JeradBenge how do the angled brainwavz pads change the sound? Worth the change?

@JeradBenge 3 года назад

@@Huntmx24 Those pads made them lean a bit warmer, and seemed to extend the low end a bit, or smooth out the mid-bass hump, depending on the track. A little too warm and buttery for my taste, when I moved them over to my tube amp. Pretty nice on lively solid state amps with extra headroom to crank it up a few notches. Imaging will suffer because the drivers are being moved out, and away. The soundstage seems wider, but doesn't get extended vertically, or seem any deeper. I went back to Shure 1840 pads, because those fit my preference, and uses better.

@Iceman15333 5 лет назад

actually you can just stretch the pads over the tabs that the plastic ring clips into on the drivers. it's a little finicky to get on, but they stay on well, and you don't need to modify or cut anything. It looks almost the same as what this mod gives you, and doesn't destroy the stock pads or the HM5 pads. After removing the stock pads like in the video you simply stretch the HM5's over the whole housing first, and then slide them off slowly until the edge of the pads catch on the ring with the tabs on the driver. If you go too far and they come off you have to start over. I guess if something tugged on the pad they would come off easier, but I've had them on this way for a month now and haven't had any issues, that said i only use them at my desk and don't use them on the go.

@ChrisDesi 2 года назад

How has your mounting method held up? Curious as I don't want to destroy my stock pads.

@alkestos 2 года назад

@@ChrisDesi Look up MisoDiko replacement pads for SHP9500 if you need them. They come with preinstalled plastic rings and only need to snap on. I got a pair of their mesh pads for myself. However, they do change the sound signature a little, but that's bound to happen no matter what pads you switch into. And misodiko pads are competitively priced.

@KvltKommando 2 года назад

Thanks for the tutorial, I got lucky finding this as I happened to have a pair of velour brainwavz that I bought for my ATH-m50's and only got to use the pads about a month before my M50's finally died after about 6 or 7 years and they happened to be there in my drawer collecting dust. Worked out great.

@dougwintersbks 5 лет назад

Holy crap! It worked. Great tutorial. The fabric on the stock 9500s is incredibly cheap feeling. The Brainwavz are perfect. Plus, the white against the black looks fantastic. The whole thing took less than 1/2 hour, including putting them on the wrong way one time. Sorry Zeos. This is the bomb.

@hell0kitje 4 года назад

Im on buying 9500 arent this standard cushy foam great, whouldnyou suggest them moding right away

@linusmichelin 5 лет назад

Just finished this mod. I have the pleather hm5 on right now. The comfort is awesome since the driver is lift of from your ears. Because of the more room in the headphones I feel like I need more volume to drive them. The bass is increased quite a lot and highs are there but not as present as before. They sound even better in my ears but if you like the stock sound signature of the shp9500 I recommend you checking out the shure hpaec 940 or similar since those preserve the original sound signature.

@vepos2216 4 года назад

I know I’m a bit late but do the shure pads also prevent your ears from touching the drivers?

@AlawamiAZ 7 лет назад

Now I really want to do the mod that thickens the stock pads, because my ears touche the driver which can be annoying after few hours. Does that little mod cause any problem or change the sound signature ?

@AndrewHadi07 7 лет назад

yes so how does it go ?

@blurredarms 6 лет назад

It did for me. The vocals/mids seemed way far back compared to the original stock pads before the mod and a pair of SHURE HPAEC1840s.

@reggin867 6 лет назад

3:00 how can i tell which way is the right way?

@apollo1517 2 года назад

Just did this mod with the 1840 pads - so much more comfortable now!!

@Kalcifier 5 лет назад

Difference in sound is medium when switching to these pads (i have the velour ones), soundstage was reduced, bass is a little tighter and mids and treble are slightly more distant, they're less neutral than stock though I'm willing to sacrifice sound signature for comfort

@nicholaslepp1502 Год назад

i've never seen this video until now and as a mix engineer that prefers these headphones because it's what i learned the most on, i have to say, before i bought leather repllacements i did the hard foam (from a microphone case) cut into an oval thing shoved into the space between the pad and the driver and it worked great, i honestly thing that worked better than the replacements, i lost a noticible amount of mid range and didn't like the sound of them when i first got the replacements, i had to quish the crap out of them and run my amp at higher volume to get used to them again. i'm just sayin'. if your pads are good dont replace them, just do the oval cut foam. ;)

@ashberic 6 лет назад

I bought the SHP9500s in late 2017 and they're super comfortable out of the box but they're sweat magnets. I was tempted to try this to remedy it - but after looking online for another pair of them I'm glad I didn't. They're no where to be found nowadays for less than $200.

@davws88 3 года назад

Still viable after years... Nice on point tutorial

@DroidLocks6971 Год назад

There are plenty of replacements for shp9500 Misodiko has AweSomeNess PerSoNiFied looking replacements

@GlitchScape 8 лет назад

Well made video tutorial.

@Mei-rf2dz 5 лет назад

I just did this pad swap and boy let me tell ya: Don't risk you headphones. Use an EQ. Throughout the whole process that I went through I was crying for the life of my headphones. Basically you some low end yes, but I don't think most people will notice it. Also, I decided to keep the veil that was on the plastic since the one that comes with the HM5 pads is too thin. And if you want to ignore my advice: DON'T USE ANGLED PADS, look for straight ones otherwise you'll look kinda silly wearing your SHP.

@aaaveritt 5 лет назад

Right on! I agree with you on your points but remember this is a comfort mod, any sound improvement is just a bonus.

@ryankl1984 7 лет назад

Awesome, thanks! I was always afraid I was going to break them. Now I can finally replace these nasty old ear pads with some fresh ones! Liked and subbed.

@tinkertanner165 4 года назад

"Hey guys, Chris Fix here" At least that's what I heard

@muhammadadibmustafa8475 4 года назад

He forgot to put the thread locker on smh 😔

@bariseryentur 8 лет назад

Very nice video, and if you do a follow up with a review on how these sound and how comfy they are with the mod it would be nice :)

@kAiSoNg94 7 лет назад

those with 9500s ( the newer version ) DO NOT REMOVE THE VEILS.

@D3ViiANT 7 лет назад

Kai Song See The veils? o.o

@ctruett5 7 лет назад

What do you mean?

@CrossNZ 7 лет назад

Think he means the fabric screen on the rings

@bench261 7 лет назад

left it on, the treble is harsh enough with only one layer

@billdavies1251 7 лет назад

so can the pads still be changed

@Evaquiel 3 года назад

i'm tempted to do this to mine, but too scared to do so, since its a 'no going back' solution. but they're great even stock.

@Benri05 3 года назад

do them if the stock pads are worn out just to be safe lol

@kungfuhungsu 7 лет назад

I appreciate the video, listening to your video with one pad modded on my SHP9500 modded now, time to do the other one :)

@Wawffles357 7 лет назад

cool idea with inserting the foam, i just ordered an shp9500 and it looks like i know what ill do first with it

@Kevin-rf9sx 2 года назад

Did you do it? Is it any good?

@BlueAristo 3 года назад

order the replacement rings from germany guy on E Bay. then i got brainwavz oval XL. now u have a original phillips ring with attached pad but a new ring with new pads. the XL is better since no relief needed

@aaaveritt 3 года назад

Thumbs up for finding a solution that works for you, but let me ask you this: what is the point of saving the oem pads if you're never going to use them again? You found a better pad and no one downgrades. I'm not trying to bash, just trying to get you to see both sides of the coin. You now have less money and you have more junk. I try to promote not spending money so you're richer and reusing stuff you already have so less waste, you know, bigger picture stuff.

@LucsAbalo 3 года назад

@@aaaveritt I think the idea is that you can switch back to original pads if you dont like the new pads

@augustriandyrizkymaris2894 3 года назад

hey does the shp9600 have the same size and mounting as the 9500? i wanna buy the shp9600 but couldn't find any of the earpads replacement in my country

@daf676 2 года назад

have you found it mate

@hakabistein2050 7 лет назад

Love you man. Got the pads, love them. looks and feels amazing

@potzo 7 лет назад

There are angled and non-angled version of leather HM5 , which one should I get?

@aaaveritt 7 лет назад

Non angled. The drivers are already angled in the cup and the cups themselves can't turn that far forward so you'll have way too much angle in the back.

@shanetapp9199 7 лет назад

aaaveritt going to try angled. might reverse angle them.

@On_The_Brightside 3 года назад

Any chance these would work with the Philips ph805? Or would they be too big? Thanks!

@jdsaint6944 3 года назад

I ordered these pads the black ones for the X2HR. I guess the procedure would be the same

@DroidLocks6971 Год назад

Why You Ain't Put The Link For These In The Description

@nadhilqwer 3 года назад

How thick were the foam ring you shoved in the stock pad? Does it change the sound too much? I just want to make it thicker because the clamping force is too weak for my small head

@n11n12 5 лет назад

I've found that you don't actually need the plastic ring at all, and you can simply stretch the pad's flap over the driver housing. The only mod to make is to cut a small hole in the left flap over the cable jack. The brainwavz round velour pads (not the XLs) fit even better like this.

@Iceman15333 5 лет назад

actually you can just stretch them over the tabs that the plastic ring clips into on the drivers. it's a little finicky to get on, but they stay on well, and you don't need to modify or cut anything. it also looks way better than stretching them over the entire housing. it looks 99% as stock as what this mod gives you. i had to stretch them over the whole housing first, and then slide then off slowly until the edge of the pads catch on the ring with the tabs. If you go too far you have to start over, and i guess if something tugged on the pad they would come off easier, but i've had them on this way for a month now and they haven't come off once.

@nomeat 4 года назад

@@Iceman15333 how are they holding up?

@Iceman15333 4 года назад

@@nomeat they are still holding up great, I don't actually use them anymore as I upgraded, but the technique I mentioned above will last as long as the ear pads would

@nomeat 4 года назад

mark killow sweet might have to try it out. Did you use round or angled ear pads?

@Iceman15333 4 года назад

@@nomeat I had the ovals on there, in PU leather. Not angled. Pretty sure the oval is a must due to the shape of the shp9500s

@buddon 6 лет назад

*disclaimer* I tried the method of putting hard foam behind the ear cups, while yes it did make it deeper, now the fabric is becoming undone.

@millanferende6723 5 лет назад

Hmm, maybe worth gluing both sides of the foam then? Did you feel the extra depth was useful? Better sound and comfort?

@swifty1969 5 лет назад

thanks bud for this tutorial.

@TrueZtyleZ7 7 лет назад

How's the clamp on the headphones with the HM5 pads? For me with the stock pads, they're a bit loose but not enough for them to slip off unless I shake my head vehemently.

@DroidLocks6971 Год назад

Looks AweSomeNess PerSoNiFied But How's The Sound Over Stock Pads

@Tsuinami4 7 лет назад

Have any of you guys had experience with the (Leather/ velour) angled HM5 pads? I know the drivers on the SHP are already angled, but I heard that angled would bring out the sound stage compared to non angled.

@mtj233 7 лет назад

I want to do the mod to the existing pads. What can I use other than foam or does it have to be that type of foam? And also will I get the same results?

@BaumJOHN 7 лет назад

Awesome video, thanks for this tutorial. :)

@DroidLocks6971 Год назад

Does This Not Destroy The Sound Profile Of The SHP9500

@devilzavacado8430 7 лет назад

I want to do this as carefully as possible. Anyone have suggestion of cleaning off the glue from the rings without damaging them?

@chizhang001001 7 лет назад

goo gone is your friend

@ameliabuns4058 3 года назад

how does the HM5 sound/.feel like got any links?

@overprice7802 3 года назад

the sound change a lot tho

@dacat707 4 года назад

Wich size of pads i have to look for to change the original?

@kinghadu9611 7 лет назад

Hi aaaveritt can you tell me if ti need the Angled Brainwavz pads for the shp 9500 or are you using the regular ones?

@shanetapp9199 7 лет назад

Sam Seemungal I use angled and love them. only thing is that the swivel hinges are maxed out at all times well on.

@viettran1999 7 лет назад

nice video! im debating whether to get these or the hd 598's from sennheiser. I heard my friend's shp9500 and everything sounded good EXCEPT the bass. i would like to know if these pads would increase the bass? if they do, these might be perfect. Thanks!

@CupcakeBattle 7 лет назад

I tried the velour and hybrids on the 9500 and it does increase the bass because the sound isn't escaping out as much as the stock pads. There's also a little more clamp on your ears which provides a more secure fit . The hd 598 are bass light, but have very clear highs and the 2.5mm lock connector is retarded but still a good headphone. It depends on your budget

@viettran1999 7 лет назад

CupcakeBattle what do you recommend more for competitive gaming? I got the m50x as a gift but it's soundstage is horrendous. I want a wide soundstage so I can accurately pinpoint footsteps but I also want something good for music. Thanks!

@aaaveritt 7 лет назад

Don't expect magic here, this mod is done mainly for comfort. While it does have some minor advantages like "increasing" bass, it barely does. If you're deciding between headphones you can't really know what is better until you actually try them out yourself. Don't rely on other peoples opinions on sound, rely on your own, just use others as a guide. My recommendation would be to try to find a friend or music store that will let you try them out. If those are not an option find a store that accepts returns, either local or online (look for no restocking fees & paid return shipping) order them and return the ones you don't like (could be both.)

@LostStylus 3 года назад

Is there a way to get a little more extra clamp force without this mod?

@johnP0908 2 года назад

Great tutorial man! now I can replace my pads finally. lmao

@brannank 7 лет назад

Great tutorial.

@cz6655 7 лет назад

what would happen if I left the fabric on at 2:07

@AntiSaint96 7 лет назад

The highs would probably be more veiled with the extra fabric.

@DogeTrump 5 лет назад

Sound and comfort differences between HM5 Sheepskin, hybrid, and velour?

@ammarkhan6883 3 года назад

For open back, go for hybrids or velour.

@kevinrobbins2429 7 лет назад

hey man ordered brainwavz pads but they were too small?

@tuz0wils0n 6 лет назад

Mine seemed too small but it eventually fit but I had to really work at stretching it for a while. Maybe 20-30 minutes...but I was being quite gentle in stretching so as not to rip the pads.

@francis9506 7 лет назад

hey can i keep the foam and fabric after the stock pads were removed? would it still fit?

@titone14 7 лет назад

There is a guy on eBay, who sells the ring adapter so you dont have to mess up your original pads. Im about to pull the trigger for a pair. This is the link: www.ebay.com/itm/SHP9500-3D-printed-pad-adapters/192276223674

@xXHacksAndTipsXx 7 лет назад

I am gonna mod em' with just some foam, the earpads are comfy but not deep enough and the clamp force is minimal so it wobbles on my head.

@beastreef2 7 лет назад

Did it work out well?

@xXHacksAndTipsXx 7 лет назад

Yep, quite fine. Tho careful not to destroy the earpads, it might require quite some force cause the glue is all over the place from the inside.

@blurredarms 6 лет назад

Not sure about the original SHP9500s, but this was really hard to do on the 9500s because the glue goes over the fabric in some spots and it's impossible to separate it without ripping.

@Xbs_Rebass 3 года назад

does this mess up the sound of the 9500's?

@andyjackson2910 3 года назад

Good video 👍 music too loud.

@seraphosphere2445 4 года назад

What's the link for the white pads?

@darthgzuz 7 лет назад

did they improve anything in sound???

@MichaelCozineSounds 6 лет назад

Did you find this changed the sound of the headphones at all?

@TheGrandOptimst1 7 лет назад

hey man do you know if there is a way to modify these headphones to make them noise cancelling for when im studying in school

@jollygoodfellow3957 7 лет назад

You'd have to seal up the back. Maybe find some craft foam and plastic and cut them to shape to cover up the back, but it'd have to be perfect. What I would do would be the "artsy" way. Get some clay from a hobby store, make a totally flat piece and press the back of the drivers on the clay to make a mold. Then make a copy of the impression with mold-making latex like what they do in hollywood. Then I'd use some kind of resin or liquid plastic that I can make perfectly molded caps out of to cover the back. But doing all that might cost as much as getting a noise-canceling pair of headphones for mobile use.

@radnerak 7 лет назад

There's a 3D printed mod that exists online which plugs the back. Just glue it on the earphones... I know this post is old, but some people might find this interesting: www.modhouseaudio.com/shp9500-3d-cups/philips-shp9500-3d-printed-cups

@jimmysanjaya1911 6 лет назад

is it the same with fidelio X2HR???

@the_real_treezus 6 лет назад

how much does this change the soundstage

@DroidLocks6971 Год назад

I Could Actually Do This Mod . I Think I Should Buy Another SHP9500 to Do it Though

@markuss9229 7 лет назад

That stand!! Can you please give me a link to it?

@aaaveritt 7 лет назад

www.lowes.com/pd/Rubbermaid-FastTrack-Garage-8-8-in-Silver-Steel-Hose-Hook/3962377 It's a rubbermaid fasttrack hose hook turned sideways. Put a bit of rubber foam pipe insulator on top to make it nicer.

@markuss9229 7 лет назад

thats genius!

@bivashbiswas7235 5 лет назад

does this help with the clamping force?

@aaaveritt 5 лет назад

It'll most likely increase the clamping force at first, the thicker pads would be push the headband farther. I own 2 pairs, the 9500 and the 9500s, and both have loosened up over time from regular use. You can place something in between the headphones like a box or some books or a couple tshirts to keep them stretched out when not in use, that will help them stretch out faster.

@bivashbiswas7235 5 лет назад

@@aaaveritt is there any difference between this one vs the angled pads?

@maxloris2933 4 года назад

Did you ever find this out? My ears barely touch the edge of the stock pads. I don't want to change the sound with the mh5 if the 940 would be better.

@santiagorestrepo9504 4 года назад

So what if I do the first mod with memory foam?

@t0odamnfast 7 лет назад

What kind of headphone stand is that?

@CoreySenderson 7 лет назад

you did not have to do all that you pretty much destroyed the stock pad so you can make it look better...

@wolfrem1991 4 года назад

the glue on mine was pretty strong had to use a knife just to open the inside in some spots

@darthgzuz 7 лет назад

beautiful video, the BG music was lovely n man these headphones will look sexy in any color HM5 pads ... red n black, white n black ... thanks for sharing ...

@Ouzzel 8 лет назад

so what's the point in this?

@xenonwj2396 8 лет назад

This are amazing sounding headphone under $100 and compete with $300+ Audiophile Headphones. The pads are non removable and hold in sweat and are not the most comfortable. This pads make the SHP9500 10x more comfortable and give it a little more bass since these are open headphones.

@aaaveritt 7 лет назад

Comfort. These pads are much deeper and softer than the originals. I specifically had a problem with one of my ears barely touching the inside with the original pads and after 30 minuets it would start aching very bad. This mod solved the problem and now I can wear them 8+ hours a day with no problems at all.

@aaaveritt 7 лет назад

***** False on both assumptions. The drivers are firing straight into your ears at less than an inch away, and these are open back. You are hearing 100% of the drivers clearly, at no point is the pad going to change the sound. With all technicalities aside, coming from someone who has experienced both pads at the same time for a few weeks (the first clip you see both pads on the headphones which is how I wore them for weeks until I made this video) I can tell you these pads sound exactly the same as the stock ones and neither sound more "tinny." The HM5 pads are actually a bit smaller then the stock SHP9500s that were replaced, they are not wider. If you did even the slightest bit of research you would easily find that the inside hole of the HM5 pads measure 50mm at the narrowest point, same size as the driver and the drivers are angled so there is no chance that the pads are "blocking" any part of the driver. By all means don't do the mod if it's not for you, but facts are facts.

@aaaveritt 7 лет назад

***** Neither of these are things you said in your first comment, so try to stay on track. Sound stage is completely different from how something sounds. Yes the pads are thicker, not wider, thicker which means way more comfortable and your ears are not touching anything.

@Kviklunsj1203 7 лет назад

I have pads, and i also have adapters so i have been able to do a to b comparisons, they do change the sound signature, and i wouldnt say for the better. However i find the change is very small. It is perfectly viable to use these pads if u prefer the comfort over the stock pads. But bewarned, this mod is permanent and i personally found them to be brighter and tinnier from this mod.

@RarePleb 3 года назад

i broke the tabs :(

@enveloreal 3 года назад

@kannakaruppasamy 7 лет назад

ath-ad700x or this?

@GameBrosTMT 7 лет назад

Depends.

@Weech. 7 лет назад

Kanna Karuppasamy I have the SHPs and I kind of wish I had gotten the ATH Ad700xs justing basing off of reviews the ATs have a bigger soundstage and are better for gaming. I'll probably snag a pair if they ever go on sale