That was my take away. Two young guys excited about their job and already thinking about how they can do better. Definitely a great step in an exciting direction.
So proud to have a UK company developing a home grown 35mm Colour film! The only way is up. Will be good to see the progress they make over the next few years. Great video as always :)
@@phillipbanes5484yup, but great to see a focus on R&D (its so expensive) and with an insane timeline. Great to see passion in their work too and, to top it off, admission/drive to improve on it in the future. Hopefully we'll get some 120 whilst they work on infrared xD
Kicking it off as always with what we call the "grainydays special": loading in direct sunlight, shooting in the dark. My girlfriend Emma hates it, keep it up!
Getting this far in 12 months is fucking insane. 120 is a smaller market but essential. This will get better and better. A HUGE DAY for film photography
I was in complete awe they did this in 12 months. Not to shit on other parties, but they took 12 months to make a new color film, while another entity took 3 years to make a coat hanger..
It’s crazy how you went from the film camera review guy to road trip guy to pretty much shooting a mini documentary about this new film. Quite a journey and I’m 100% here for it.
"build a color film from literally nothing except greens" looool, thanks for sharing your insights into this stuff man, rad to see you got to interview the people behind it too! Look forward to seeing what improvements they make to it going forward!
I still remember when Kodak didn’t give you an advance on the Gold200 in 120. Proof Harman knows what they’re doing getting you this stuff in advance. Nice little bonus getting a new video out of the normal schedule too.
I don't absolutely love the look of it, but I think it's worth supporting the project because I can feel their passion and excitement thru the video. $14 a roll isn't that bad either -that's less than 400D in my local shop. More film options only benefit everybody who shoots film, and I'm interested to see what the lab lads come up with next!
@kleanish after watching Caleb's video, I'm more interested in Phoenix at a more personal level beyond just supporting color film as a whole (which arguably is a higher level). Pulled 1 stop, I think this film does have a nice vibe like 400D but maybe slightly less "dreamy" looking. At box speed, there's a bit too much grain and not enough detail for my taste, although i do like the warmth and contrast.
I'm with you. I'm an Ilford B&W guy through and through, and I LOVE that this exists, but why do the scans look so soft? It looks like expired color-neg film I've shot. The colors are whatever to me---you can do anything in post with ease. The unsharpness is what I'm not loving the look of.
Not sure if somebody else pointed this out yet but on the data sheet for Phoenix you can see the film spectral sensitivty goes beyond 750nm, which is actually entering into the IR range, so technically this is a "color infrared" film in some type of way. Using an R72 filter might yeild interesting results (if you expose it at like iso 1)
how did you come up with iso 1? would running a test on digital camera set to iso 200 +720nm filter and doing long exposure help working out the correct settings?
@@beepboopboopbeepbeep the iso 1 was just kind of a random estimate. I'll have to test myself to find out, but using FPP BW IR plus R72 filter gets you at about ISO 3-6 to get a well exposed IR image (if you're in full sun) if you're metering externally. You can also meter through the filter at 200 but it generally cuts out 5ish stops of light down so you'll be at about ISO 3-6. For Harman Phoenix there is *drastically* less spectral sensitivity into the IR range than FPP BW IR (Harman Phoenix only barely reaches past 750) so you'd have to probably expose even more to get anything. My guess of iso 1 might not even be enough. A digital camera has a lot more IR range than I'm pretty sure any currently available film, so getting IR results with that probably is much easier than it would be with Harman Phoenix. I would be curious to see if Harman pursues a pseudo color IR film. They definitely couldn't make Aerochrome (the dyes for sensitizing IR in Aerochrome and HIE have jumped to the tens of thousands per ounce which makes them impossibly expensive to use in any film coating facility) but given what Harman is able to do with Ilford SFX (which uses different IR sensitizing chemistry than HIE or aerochrome to my understanding) it's not all together unreasonable to suggest they could use some of that tech in a color film. We will have to see.
The fact that Ilford/Harman were actually motivated to make a colour (with a ‘u’ aka properly) film in 2023 is nothing short of incredible. It’s definitely got a ‘look’ but that’s the point of film.
@@phillipbanes5484Nonsense. Most of my life was in the ‘film era’ and we all knew (and manufacturers acknowledged) that each film had its own bias, look and usage.
@@phillipbanes5484 Can’t take being corrected can you? Your weasely excuse is only now half right, not in your blanket comment on film - still wrong (generally!) - but only in your critique of modern digital trends. As for me, irrelevant as it is to be fair, not only did I grow up in the pre digital era but made a living by selling images to book, magazine, calendar publishers and via Picture Libraries using anything up to 5”x4” film and we knew what stock was needed for each role. And have studied the history of film with interest for years including a collection of often rare books and original prints from the likes of Rudman and Napier in bw to Hoepker for colour so know at least a little more than you’d like to admit. Goodbye 🤡
@@phillipbanes5484 Few people shooting film in 2023 are that interested in accurate representation of the world above all else. This is a use case for a sony mirrorless. While this film stock needs work, I and many others would still enjoy shooting with it.
@@phillipbanes5484I don't understand the point of your argument or why you made it in the first place. Whether or not this film stock would've sold well 30+ years ago is utterly irrelevant. The media and methods used to create art have always evolved along with the available technology of the time and how it allows artists to reflect the topical cultural trends and issues. Maybe Phoenix 200 wouldn't have been a popular film stock in the 20th century, but we're living the 21st century, so who gives a shit? The only reason photographic film is still being produced is because some people will always be fascinated by its impressionistic analog qualities. Different film stocks have different physical limitations, each imparting their own unique flaws and inaccuracies that can be used as artistic tools to capture a scene AND convey the photographer's feelings in ways that a perfectly accurate rendering cannot. This film stock leans hard into those impressionistic qualities in some very unique ways. That will make it a powerful tool for the vast majority of modern film photographers, who typically enjoy experimenting with such tools.
By far one of my favourite episodes from Jason. Love previous filmstock reviews, but going to the UK to visit Harman directly was a fantastic addition. Hope there's more like this in the future!
Wow this is huge for the global film community! Thanks to the chemists at Harmon who were so excited to get this off the ground and to the management for taking the risk and giving them the thumbs up. The film feels like a work in progress right now, but Jason was able to get some really nice shots with it and it definitely provides an interesting and unique look. I’ll be picking up some rolls to support Harmon. Thanks to Jason, you legend.
That's fantastic news! The whole Ilford/Harman company seems super chill and all are really into their job. Strong family like vibes, absolutely love the vibe!
Personally I like the halation. I can see Harmon pulling it back a bit in future revisions. But I really wanna shoot portraits with hard backlights on this first version.
Very happy to see another company start manufacturing color film, even if the emulsion might need some tweaking. You can see the excitement in the Harman team members for their new product.
I love the two chemists at Harman. The more people like that we have working the less I worry that film will slowly disappear. As for the film I'm mainly a B&W shooter (and Ilford diehard), and the only time I use color I don't want the Portra look. I want the 70's holiday snaps look that Gaynor mentioned, shot out of a pocket P&S camera while I'm on vacation. Apart from a bit wider Dynamic Range, just get it in 200, 400, and 800 and I'll be all over it.
Harman has the upper hand in the film industry having British accents. Also there isn't another film RU-vidr that quite makes you think they absolutely loathe what they do quite like Jason. I respect it.
I will say as a 68yo who has been shooting film since the early 1970s, my first impressions seeing your shots was these are the colors and grain I remember back then.
Ah, I love that you went to the UK and interviewed people from the Harman company, thank you! It's always good to see faces responsible for a product. Cheers!
If Harmon does a color infrared because Kodak won't. That will make me a top tier fan. Because kentmere 400 is already my favorite BW stock on the market.
The super punchy warm look with halation might totally not be my thing but it's honestly insane that Harman are doing inhouse color film, huge plus that we're getting new film stocks now. I really hope they keep doing it and developing more cool stuff.
How great is all of that. A new Player ! Seeing those young lab lads with all their excitement. Amazing! Young energy in analog film. Not in some artsy small company. But one of the major players. Really surprised and happy about such a young Dev Team!
Lmao I knew that last line was coming. This is a really useful video, thank you for giving an insight into working with this stock in post as it's a lot more rudimentary that I expected - I think I'm even more excited about it now, it's like the fomapan of colour
I also would love to see this in 120. It's cool theyre doing this and i hope they realize (seems like they do) that the imperfections in contrast and color are part of the charm
Growing up on the central coast, this video was a treat, outside of just the photography aspects. Its cool just seeing your film photos of the places I’ve so often been growing up
I am definitely supporting Harmans efforts. I love that you showed their team and especially the young lads developing the chemistry who were full of excitement.
I just feel that film really is coming back. Pentax is developing a new camera, now Harman is making a new color negative film, it just feel so exiting! I hope that someone next slam out a new slide film.
Did some research on this film while I was watching this video, and I noticed all the articles and reviews came out at the exact same time. Funny to see RIGHT when the NDA is up. Really happy to see a new color film stock on the rise, and I'm ordering a couple rolls right now.
loved the perspective in this video, compared to all the other videos that came out today. emphasizing that its not perfect, and that's okay. harman also feeling like they need to keep improving it is a great sign. excited to rip some of these, hopefully soon.
It may be expensive per roll, but manufacture costs here in the UK, plus export will put costs up. Although saying that, it will cost be roughly around £12.50-£13 per roll. So it's still a little cheaper in the states! More importantly, it's not Kodak! It's entirely new stuff!
New to the channel and returning to film after an over extended pauchant with digital Medium Format. Enjoyed your ride with Phoenix, personally, I'll be waiting on 120 to catch the warmth. Be safe out there. Nath
While I don't think kodak has to be scared, I am excited to see what they come up with next, and I'm excited to try it out for myself. The shell shop one is really cool btw.
Really like the enthusiasm of the guys and the lady, will definitely buy 10 rolls even though I'm not a big fan of "red chromatic aberration"/halation. Hope they do it in 120! Wish them luck... otherwise we are lost and must use "I'm Back Film" to the end of our life's! p.s: Hey! Polaroid! If Herman can do color film from scratch, you can put 10 sheets in the pack! No, nobody believe that you have no technology and the "knowledge was lost", it's not Egyptian Pyramid's.
Can’t believe you were in the UK and I didn’t get to buy you a Mountain Dew Flamin Hot for your services to analogue photography. Really great to see a colour film coming from the UK 👏🏼 amazing video as usual.
What I love about shooting film is how close customers and industry get together. Such a small part of industry over all but a worldwide fascination and passion across all business partners. (The 25-50/4 rocks. My fav lens on Nikons.)
I just purchased 4 rolls of phoenix today that should be delivered in a few days. Thanks for your review, I'm new to film photography, and I'm excited to try this out.
Yeah great news for Harman and a British company. Shame the price is high when Gold is around a bit cheaper but I can see the R&D costs need to be regained. I love that lab and production, so British lol
Everyone’s been sitting there waiting to click that upload button in unison 😂 synchronise your watches. Excited to try some, nothin can be worse than NC500
Suffice to say, nailing a shot handheld in a dark bathroom with 200 ISO film can only be possible with performance enhancing drugs (i.e. Flaming Hot Mtn. Dew)
If they could work that halation issue out, the warmth and contrast would be nice in 4x5 / 8x10, we really need a color competitor to Kodak in those formats.
