Phoenix VS Raven (Marvel VS DC) | DEATH BATTLE! 

I got stares at the bus at that part when I laughed lol

It took me out😂😂😂😂

I mean powerful characters like her that are able to come back, die all the time. It's not surprising tbh, she's just supposed to be that tough guy that dies so that everyone freaks out and loses hope like, "If she was killed, what chance do we have?"

​@@Tony73727You would think that after dying 16 times, those around her would think she isn't that tough after all, and maybe just a glass cannon.

@@Cervando Considering how often she comes back, it’s less she’s not that tough and more like she takes “life breaks”.

Thankfully these two have people who would risk their lives to fight off their dark side to protect the universe. Good on them.

If it was jean grey and wanda it would be more ironic

Ikr

☠️😂

Do you guys hate me?

It’s just the Phoenix being overdramatized

And she thinks she isn't😂

SHE killed herself to stop the phoenix so i see no hypocrites

Faxxx

Facts.

That wasn't the phonix anymore she literally destroyed the phonix and Jean as concepts or because she held back and used the borrowed powers instead of full power she mercy absorbed Jean and phonix waiting for Jean to come back

Raven has a history of being cold as ice

@@hunterculpepper1973it was the phoenix force being destroyed lol

that's nothing when raven absobs the souls of the 4 horsemen of apocalyps 🫰

well since she is a daughter of trigon, what would you expect? @@John-Stark

Should have waited for jubilee to use the x men animated theme

I kinda hope that Death Battle would do one Marvel vs DC on Laura Kinney aka X 23 vs Rose Wilson aka Ravager. Two girls with father issues, who eventually becomes just like them.

It was fantastic

A music mash-up basically~

Because of that fact this is one of my favorites fight themes.

Fr I’m pretty sure this is the only time death battle got a character’s personality messed up unless jean grey is actually a hypocrite

@@Deathmare235 normally no but when the phoenix is melded with her she is chad levels of douchy, and it only gets worse the more it comes out lol

X-Men being hypocrite, where's the news? xD

​@@WebofSpeedForceTS-FUNo, today just happens to end with a y.

Remember the Phoenix Five story and how, even with the Phoenix fragmented between five hosts, all of them had douchebag levels of messiah complexes?

No way! The bird one!?!? Impossible!

Why would you spoil that

Quit lying; the bird clearly won.

They say Bird is the word. Ca-Caw!

Man I can't believe that Bird won CRAZY 💥

girl bye

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@@somansakjwkalanjdnjsjwjskdmsgirl bye

Frrrr that hyped me up!!

Same

That is poetically poignant.

Huh, I never thought of it that way. Nice observation

Poetry!

you should get an award for saying that ngl

Beautiful

Scarlet Witch/Zatanna vibes all over again. Everyone thought Wanda would win but nope lol

@@jarelldavis31 And Zatanna scaling to Zorr and Phantom Stranger lol

Why would they do that? That 3 different versions

@@sonicthehedgehog1606 They use different versions all the time. Also, most people are familiar with the Teen Titans animated version when she's a lot stronger in the comics. Using just one version of these characters would make things rather boring.

which is crazy given how marvel users are all mainly "glass canon" when we have zatanna casually hanging her own neck but still bein alive , the most underrated and underestimated would be enchantress too she managed to beat the jl , raven , zatanna , reality warp on multiversal scale but still her la action vers didnt do any justice to her @@jarelldavis31

Phoenix was dead before she could realize it

I said the same thing 😂

Jeans soul is protected by the Phoenix, funny how DB forgot that.

But raven already equals if not surpasses the Phoenix, so I that I'll not safe

@@omegashinobi Raven isn't even equal to Trigon. How is she surpassing the phoenix? Because death battle said so?

Raven is nowhere near the power levels of the Phoenix.

​@@getitboy83Me, Death Battle and I believe a majority of the other comments disagree.

@@usshared1649 I think you should revisit the comments because the evidence supports the contrary.

@@usshared1649 The version of Raven here is composite (I think) and the character overall is very inconsistent from what I've heard. Phoenix is considered one of the strongest beings in Marvel!

I would love that too, but DC always wins so it's kinda boring

Except, Phoenix can't die. The whole Omiverse is connected to her and one time, Galactus tried do erase A SINGLE fragmet of Phoenix and ALL of the universe started dying as a result. He gave up destroying her so reality could survive. The funny thing is, Phoenix didn't even tried to resist because she knew the consequences and knew Galactus would back down. Again, all of that was just a tiny fragment of the Phoenix Force. Can you imagine the kind of damage killing the entirety of Phoenix could do?

​@@fireincarnated4031"Her death would destroy the Omniverse" isn't the same as "she can't die".

​@@fireincarnated4031 cough Death Battle cough. Someone's gonna die, regardless of what happens to the universe.

Death Battle? More like snoooooooze battle. Surprised that one of DC’s GOD characters won? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

As a DC Fan, Magic is BS in Comics 😂

I agree definitely

My kid cousins refrigerator art of the Phoenix Force did more justice than the movies … and he’s 12

They missed a good chunk of demonstrated feats of the Phoenix Force. I mean yeah better than the movies, but that's a really low bar.

It did not cause Raven definitely does not scale to Phoenix in no capacity and they miss huge chunks of Phoenix powers.

​@@mr.checkyourself4672so you're saying that you know something they dont? Tell us what it is then...

The fight in a nutshell

I loved that call back. Dr Light is probably having Vietnam War flashbacks somewhere.

@@NickWuebker”…I would like to go to jail now, please.”

@@jamesstump7542 Was about to comment this :D

Nightcrawler vs beast boy

I think they’ve absolutely outdone themselves with this soundtrack

Indeed. Arguably Boomstick’s best closing one-liner

Probably because Edgar Allan Poe wrote it

@@evanholty2909 It’s based on The Raven but that line isn’t in the poem.

Works even more because Phoenix’s White Hot Room is located beyond the Marvel cosmological area “The Far Shore”

It sounds like a poem maybe

Dude right!? This whole episode was a master piece!

It’s not DB to thanks it’s Brandon Yates

*Yes, so truueee!!*

Wait, in what part of the vid the music combination happened?

@@aresgeralduy5052 It alternated back and forth a few times, generally with the momentum of the fight. Easier to notice if you follow the link to the song by itself and listen there.

I thought that it supposed to be the Phoenix not Jean as the host of the Phoenix against Raven and the Phoenix Phoenix did regenerate Hope soul before 😂😂😂😂😂😂

It was a mega stomp, Raven absorbed 90% of DC she blinks its not even close

They literally just fabricated the soul weakness for Phoenix. It’s never been mentioned before in comics and she has even regenerated life, souls included. So total fabrication.

​@@BARDOCK550 I don't know about "mega stomp". Yes, Raven destroyed all of creation, as the Unkindness, but as the video said, the Phoenix held back the destruction of all creation, too. And, the Phoenix Force can touch all universes in existence, so wouldn't that make the Phoenix on even scaling with Raven? They both can reach the very ends of existence.

@@xiamariansupreme72 good point i think I was carried away at the time.

hence the result.

point!!!

Yeah. And it’s REALLY out of character for Jean too. Though maybe not on her worse days.

Gotta love how they inaccurately portray a character they made fun throughout her character description. The writing was on the wall before the battle even began. All bias aside, Phoenix clears

@@khans9529 phoenix gets slapped

"chilling" ...lol punny.

Bingchilling

TFS Nappa: "I get it!"

Yknow considering how Archie sonic vs flash went I expected raven to lose

yeah blew me away with how good it was

I find myself a Marvel comic reader, but i was hoping Raven would win because of Teen Titan Raven. I just love that show. 😂

not me bcs im not a simp

@@benriquez615 traitor youre not a marvel youre a dc only fan in disguise

@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775who cares? People can like what they want.

@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775tbf it’s Jean grey it’s not like people are interested in marvel just for her

This made me remember that MLP appeared on the show more than Fire Emblem

@@dephony5648 To be fair, Fire emblem is harder to quantify feats.

@@Unagi776 it is, thankfully dimitri has quite a few, he can be scaled to the old crusaders of genealogy of the holy war as they had dragon blood and descendants of dragonkin are quite literally demigods on any battlefield

​@power_rangers_officialhindi689This is way better than twilight sparkle I can't lie

@@dephony5648 Once Discord v Bill shows up later this year it will be the fourth time, which is just as much as Avatar and Final Fantasy to name a few.

Point is if she did that outside then ok . But in white room . Dude that's a place equivalent to house of ideas. Fking beyonder is afraid of pheonix in that place .

Yeah. They have really been focusing on abilities this season. Can’t say I agree with the results, but I am happy nonetheless.

Totally

I think what db does is chose who has more pluses than minuses.

bruh phoenix force predate multiverse is god of psychic and creator of mutant powers and infinite possibilities also a reality warper it could have just turn raven into a regular human

I kinda hope that Death Battle would do one Marvel vs DC on Laura Kinney aka X 23 vs Rose Wilson aka Ravager. Two girls with father issues, who eventually becomes just like them.

@@cruzjackal I would prefer if she fought Cassandra Cain.

Yeah, It was about "Scared of the dark?" When I remembered Raven could do that.

Honestly once they mentioned that Trigon beat Post Crisis Supes, and Raven beat Trigon, I knew it was over.

@@ronnie3613 Pre-Crisis Supes. As in equal to Superboy Prime who pushed Thanagar across a galaxy into orbit around Rann so quickly that no one on either planet noticed until "sun rise".

​@@christianboehlefeld5168+ We're talking beyond multiversal levels of power here. Pushing a planet at high speed is nothing.

Phoenix can protect her soul though lmao

Darkness overtook the light. Reminds me of Dark Souls

​@@darthcinema4262exept she actually did not won cuz the phoenix always comes back when there's life there's phoenix 😂

@@Hakuyoma Because nobody stays dead in comics, unless you're Uncle Ben, Thomas and Martha Wayne, and the Simpsons (and no I don't mean the ones from the show that never ends)

10:27 “smash ponies like a battering ram” that’s hilarious 😂 I love how he saids it as part of the analysis 😂

Phoenix: Yep first time

phoenix: SHUT UP PONY

Raven: Hold That L

lol, that fight should have never happened.

And called it.

Called it

Yin and Yang? I thought for sure that the Cipher symbol was the question mark, to represent the confusion over the complete lack of any research you actually did on Phoenix because you were too busy chain-scale wanking Raven to infinite multiversal and pretending that Phoenix doesn't have the same ability as the Ultimate Nullifier, since she's destroyed cosmic beings who represent eternal abstract concepts, and beaten them. And then you also invented that she was weak to soul hax (She's not.)

In Phoenix : endsong Jean said she and Phoenix are one, so i think that Raven could not take or erase Jean Grey soul cause Phoenix is a entity and actually they are one, in the last official Phoenix movie a Blonde woman tried to do take Phoenix soul but Jean was in Control and didnt let It happen, another fact is that Marvel and DC or something like that Said that Raven is equal in Power in their own worlds( Marvel and DC worlds ) with Jean Grey or Phoenix i Heard this somewhere i think you can found the font of that info too, so we can say with total certaintity that Jean lose or Raven lose, Is all about the script and writer decision lol Sorry i tried to talk correctly but my english is not fluent, i am from south america.

Indeed. Hope 2024 will be a great year for the new season. Hope for more recent pop culture characters. 👍

Yes I'm sure such a line would have done _great things_ for Poe's terminal depression, _especially_ in relation to a woman.

He really did get into poetry after the Sauron vs. Lich King episode

*Nevermore*

“On a dark midnight dreary”

I liked this video because of that ^^

The terrible pun-miser can spit out a few fire lines every so often :)

Boomstick is a literary genius while wiz is a scientific genius

Boomstick may just be the new Edgar A. Poe hahahaha love it

Uhhh aerwsiuho.

I feel like she's realistically wayyyyyyyy weaker than Phoenix. Phoenix is so unbelievably powerful in Marvel cosmology she takes this easy.

@@bluezebra6701Raven in cartoons is constantly shown to be underwhelming but her comic book self has always been a threat. Don’t know why they never gave her a faithful adaptation

​​@@bluezebra6701If you're thinking about the cartoon versions of Raven, you're right, but the comic book versions? ... She counters all of Jean, on top of being powerful enough to match her without directly countering her. Raven is legit absurbdly op. Also, sometimes you can have the most op abilities, but if you get hard countered, tough luck.

@@markissacs7784Well they said it in the video to but pretty much she is holding back.

The way the Unkindness bit was taken for like 5 seconds while Jean Grey's WPOTC took like 2/3 of her part revealed the winner

There's an old comedy skit called "Angel Summoner & The BMX Bandit" that kinda covers that trope. One can call forth the divine host at will to do his bidding, the other is really good at trick-riding a BMX bike. Together, they fight crime.

@@Just_A_Dude I've seen it, it's great.

Trash MU Next time on my special day is this Crap MU

You mean defeat, right?

That battle wasn’t even a fair fight.

@@jeremiahbristow7609 I meant what I said

Yeah, still sore about that fight.

What if there’s no ashes

@@stancinatti8198exactly

@@stancinatti8198 Well i mean DB did create their own noncannon weakness for the pheonix to lose this fight. As she has been able to revive souls on multiple occasions. It wasn't really a weakness anymore.

​@@stancinatti8198 then what she blew out ones Jean's and the phonix force itself pride meing rement of the phonix force were spared or raven with just her breath erase Jean and the phonix force from fiction

@@hunterculpepper1973bro what

Dare I say this is easily one of the best fights because of music alone?

Yeah I definitely wanted Raven to win 💪🏾

Agreed.. the music was top tier 👌

Rather than a catfight.

The “Bird” is the word.

it was compete nonsense, Raven would have one shot lame ass Phoenix....

@@jonathanrhodes4547 the cat fight we really need to see is DC's Cheetah and Marvel's Tigra, nevermind the obvious Catwoman v Black Cat. 🐈🐈🐈‍⬛🐈‍⬛

@@russward2612 I’d be down for that catfight. That sounds like a fun battle

All that just to be defeated by Superman.

It makes sense if you don’t know what you’re up against you’re not going to start off as your strongest self. Thatd be like breaking out a shotgun to kill an ant.

@@TipoIrritablelol

@@TipoIrritable No weapon can penetrate plot armor.

​@@artkneeko*observe* the GENIUS of my gardening

Domanin Expansion: Thicc Thighs

​@@Jejdjdjjdhigh sky thighs

Ikr

Except Phoenix isn't and Raven is nowhere powerful enough to attempt it. She tries then Jean rips Raven's brain from her head and burns whatever remains. This would include Raven's soul being burned.

She literally isn't though LOL. Weaker PF users have canonically just tanked spiritual lvl attacks from Ghost Rider, and WPOTC has no need for a soul.

She isn’t. They literally just made it up so they can give Raven the win. It literally shows the Phoenix restoring a soul in the scan they used…

She isn’t. They literally just made it up so they can give Raven the win. It literally shows the Phoenix restoring a soul in the scan they used…

Loved that, hated that it was so short. It's still good that the only issue is that we want *more.*

@@julianmitchell3035this is exactly why this animation sucked. It was so short. There was hardly any fighting at all, just endless attempts at absorbing each others powers and fire/dark energy blasts at each other. This fight sucked.

how inaccurate it was was amusing for sure

she just got dealt with agin at the x-men gala

For real. And that music 🤣

@lhavenoenemies what makes jean even more scary cause now she can scale up to the phoenix now....

I am also the Blue Raven.

Yeah she's just a depressed demon witch. Just give her a hug and you've already won. Fighting her is a no no.

I'm pretty sure super Archie sonic could defeat Raven

they gayest comment I read in a while

​@@USBase2395raven is stronger than wally west so no

Me, but to be fair, I haven't read any Teen Titans

@@RobCrowley85yeah, phoenix is op as hell but being able to defeat trigon alone is one hell of a feat 😂

One has tanked the sword of Zauriel like nothing and one has been killed 16 times was it ever a question??

@@theguthboyw8982 yeah, that's the "everyone go home, she's got this" kind of achievement.

I mean, she is called Phoenix for a reason!

14:32 is a close second

That’s kind of a ground ball in terms of quotes to me but eh glad you enjoyed it

were you born a hater or, did that just happen along the way?@@ushiookazaki3728

Hola Rosa si lo Creo

Came here from the outtakes. I would've preferred the "Quoth the raven, 'nope'" or similar instead.

Are jean grey fan and phoenix fan and raven fan? Sorry for asking this question 🙋.

@@Universeknight10055 idk. Im not deep enough in those fandoms.

Good evening 🌃.thank you for answering my question. I'm fan of jean grey and phoenix force and raven. You have great day and next day and week and weekend and and week week weekend and next week and full happiness 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.

Agreed, it actually felt like the perfect conclusion given the light (fire) and darkness contrast between Jean and Raven.

IT'S TIME FOR A BREATH BATTLE!

Ahh, someone who finally speaks English. I "HOPE" that no one from the marvel side sees this. They don't understand that Raven is more powerful than the Pheonix.

@@chilliciouspatrioticmeatloverBased on feats, scaling, author’s words, etc. Raven is nowhere near Raven. Plus, the author never said that about The Presence, he confirmed he had no idea what the character represented and scaled, and immediately changed it.

@@TipoIrritable”raven is nowhere near raven” truly the statement ever

​@@chilliciouspatrioticmeatlover didn't death battle say they were equal in strength? Didn't it come down to hax?

They didn't explain it much because they didn't use it that version in the fight, it would've been overkill. They used white Raven with the gold rings that bonded with Azarath.

Phoenix sucks ass, Raven would easily one shot her....

There's a rage inside my soul, freedom is mine forevermore... sorry, wrong song.

At least in this one it's a canon power. Dante vs Bayonetta was stupid (he supposedly can't lose because he's just incapable of death, although the creator of both characters suggested otherwise) and Tifa vs Yang was poorly based (I love RWBY and would otherwise be happy for Yang to win, but Aura doesn't have ridiculous levels of durability. Remember the part where she literally lost her arm to a (yes, powered-up) sword slice? Punching a pillar with a person sandwiched between still does most of the force to the PILLAR, her Aura largely just prevented her being fully crushed by what forces were actually on her.).

@@JarieSuicune these clowns get their info from google search and are really biased based on the fanbase. these vids should only be taken as a entertainment.

Phoenix Force actually can destroy the soul. Dunno how Death Battle missed one of the most basic things, but Phoenix Force consumes souls. It actually learned how to manipulate souls too in the wake of Rachael Grey, it now borrows souls from the future to resurrect people. And with Phoenix Force absorbing part of The Beyonder and it's powers, it's a multiversal entity. Raven would have to purge the entirety of existence of it's souls in order to snuff out the Phoenix Force canonically, assuming the Phoenix Force didn't do it back to her in the interim.

@@monodythey mentioned it somewhere in the video

@@jazirionthomas8569 They mentioned part of it, and did not mention the factoid about consuming and utilizing souls, and then promptly forgot to apply it in the fight itself any ways.

But the light will always win

@@Deathmare235 Not on Death Battle.

@@Deathmare235 In Korra VS Storm, the darker one won

@@captainmd3 Storms not dark

@@cobiabruggeman6592 Not that dark.........

I thought that it supposed to be the Phoenix not Jean as the host of the Phoenix against Raven 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@Superfoczka1it’s a DC character so they’re going to bend things to make them win.

@@Superfoczka1it’s a DC character so they’re going to bend things to make them win.

@@Aureilius2112 This is blatantly false, a prime example is Batman vs Cap and Batman vs Iron Man. Nothing was bent in this, because Pheonix literally couldn't kill Raven

@@HallowedKeeper_I think the w-l record is tied actually Edit: I checked the wiki, it’s 14-14

Lol, that's terrible writing and rightfully ignored. *_"Hey, your character is apart of my character because I said so in this book i wrote."_*

Well good thing raven isnt from her universe lmao

@@burgerbandit3646 Yeah it's cheesy and lame but still

​@@burgerbandit3646That's clearly biased.

That's...incredibly stupid and unoriginal. There's about a couple dozen characters like that in Marvel comics alone.

If you hadn't specified female you would've had three nickels.

I knew Raven would triumph. None can beat the power of goth.

​@@watershipup7101 True, but then the reference wouldn't work.

Haha don’t be mad that DC Women would wipe Marvel Universe :)

​@@kpopdom5118 They wouldn't though. TOAA exists.

This is not even Canon lmfao I say it was pure bias

​@@deeqhassan5810Phoenix? More Doneix! Hahaha Raven >>> Jean

FR 🤣

@@liviubostan7229phoenix 1 taps

Made my a dc fan that’s why

Thks bro

​@@ghost14224you're welcome

right, Raven would one shot her easily...

god that issue destroyed me, the last 5 pages just hit so hard omg

@@michaelgamble2848 Well the hard part isn't one shotting, it's getting close enough to one shot and having the tools to do it. Moira was a robot meaning Jean couldn't read her mind, had spent 10 lifetimes over thousands of years learning about these mutants, and had a dagger made of a substance that neutralizes mutant powers. Plus, jean was exerting control over hundreds if not thousands of people, objects, and robots made to be immune to anything mutants could throw at them, including the most powerful robot in pretty much all of marvel canon (seriously nimrod is insane he could lowkey throw arms with the Sentry and Green Scar Hulk), communicating telepathically with all of them, holding them in place as they tried to break free, and was about to forcibly alter all of their minds to not hate mutants. Raven definitely has a strong chance of winning, but it wouldn't be easy for either of them

@@michaelgamble2848jean grey is way stronger than raven she’d get destroyed

​@@michaelgamble2848little doesn't loll

Y'know, if comic books could bother to keep their dead characters, well, _DEAD_ then that might just improve their writing a teensy-bit.

@@mrreyes5004One could argue that’s part of the charm of comics,Not me, but certainly someone out there

"i think they could have talked this out"

@@mrreyes5004 but then the stakes are boring because nobody famous would ever die

@@mrreyes5004 it is a weird sorta ground for creators to try and approach cause while on one end it would make sense in the terms of the original story, these are characters that people really do want to see more of (and ya can't really have that if they hit an early grave). But on the other side of that argument, there are spinoffs or I guess in terms "what if" type of stories for that reason and in many cases, there have been characters who either just can't die or just too stubborn too die (I mean, the next match up is literally just too angry to die), can actually be worked into good writing, all be it gets super repetitive and unoriginal now a days. But I do see a point even if I'm not fully on a side of completely killing off a character.

I thought that it supposed to be the Phoenix not Jean as the host of the Phoenix against Raven 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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Or she could've just sense her coming 🗿

@@phoenix5583 Yes but that’s much less fun to actually be the reason

@@phoenix5583Yes 🗿

Goth girls always wins.

@@_Vergil_ As well they usually should Wait… Who TF was the last goth we had on Death Battle? JoJo doesn’t count

I see it as Phoenix trying to pick a fight with Raven rather then Jean Grey

I mean, i knew she was powerful, but not on Phoenix level. Guess i was wrong xD!

​@@FawlkerTrigon is ridiculous bro so being comparable to him in itself is too much

It should be noted that the theme of Raven's entire character is that she is severely holding back for the benefit of everyone else on the planet.

It's downplayed in the shows and movies she's in, but yeah Raven is batshit insane on the power scaling lol

remember Superman's "This world is like cardboard to me. I have to always hold back. If I lose control even for a moment, someone could die." ? that speech is also easily... Raven's .

so raven IS the strongest powerful character in DC now? not superman anymore?

@@melbonesarra2821no no not at all. Pre crisis loses to C.A.S aka cosmic armor Superman which is considered one of the strongest versions of supermen. He would crush trigon and raven by himself without much difficulty also toaa Is also stronger then trigon and raven

​@@Fruad_jo Cosmic Armor Superman isn't Superman its a robot.

@@stephenschneekloth1535 still even if he isn’t a Superman he is stronger then Superman meaning the strongest character would be idk really

No he is still superman. It’s like saying the hulk isn’t Bruce banner. Superman fused with ultraman become cosmic armoured superman. He’s still has the same soul and motive

Love that scene

raven realistically should lose because yea no....... lets just assume white phoenix of crown what if i just make it so you don't exist

@@AndrewTatIanforgive me if I’m wrong but wasn’t there one comic run where raven gained the powers of the presence you know the DC equivalent of TOAA? Both raven and jean are some of the most OP characters in their respective universes but only one of them gained power equal to the author incarnate.

Raven would not win at all, and she doesn't scale to the presence LMFAO.

Ohhh that was awesome!❤❤❤

Who exactly is Dimitri?

​@@ContagiousSponge Leader of the Blue Lion House and Crown Prince/ king to be of the Kingdom of Faerghus. From Fire Emblem: Three Houses

@@ContagiousSponge A not very cool fire emblem character from a middling fire emblem game. Idk why they didn't use one of the more well-known characters, it's not like they have a shortage of weird feats of power and mystical weapons.

​​@@ContagiousSpongeA lord in Fire Emblem: Three Houses (and prince of Faerghus). The crest of Blaiddyd gives him inhuman strength, and Areadbhar grants him the combat art Atrocity, which is pretty OP

​@@ContagiousSpongecharacter from fire emblem three houses. Prince/king of holy kingdom of Faerghus. Basically he is super strong and has a weapon made from bones of dragon(?) which allegedly can cut mountains

Even Boomstick mentions that they probably could have talked it out. But Deatbattle has rules that include forcing people out of character if necessary to make them fight to the death. (See Twilight v. Raven) Only exception to that rule so far has been a pair of 4th-wall breakers.

Nah Jean is a scrub now can't win anything.

Then how can the titans have enemies?

@@Raximus3000 same reason every dc and marvel movie has enemies/rivals/villains for story and entertainment duh

​@@Raximus3000She doesn't want to blow a hole in the universe to stop a couple bank robbers

​@Raximus3000 yeah Drathstroke being galaxy++ Keeps Ravens powers at bay. So yeah. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@devinspencer1678 You ever notice how most DC characters are apparently omniversal beings yet never seem to display that in any other story for any other reason except this one time where they gain this super power up that makes them infinite times stronger and more powerful than the presence?

Vote?

@@Pwilliams4000 Idk yet that's why I said I will think about it on the last day when it comes out

@@Pwilliams4000 not in a rude way but in my mind I'm thinking Guts but I will still think about it when the full fight comes out

I'm going with Guts. No questions asked.

@@pg3dgaming634 no I mean what do you mean by vote? You get to vote for who wins?

Its crazier than that, recently it was shown the Pheonix scales above oblivion as oblivion as well as the other abstracts were bowing to her. It was also shown it transcends the white hot room. Oblivion is the darkness/nothingness before creation. In DC the darkness before creation is callled the great darkness. Recently in dark crisis the deadly green Raven encountered it and said if she got too close shed be turned into the unkindness and shed become its slave. In short, Pheonix > Oblivion >= The Great Darkness>>>>> The Unkindness> Raven.

@@Re-gj3yk I mean you left out a few key elements but yeah. That’s the general idea of it

@@Anime_Stand_5 I tried to summarize without typing even more than I already did, but I get ya.

@@Re-gj3ykJust because they’re both Darknesses before creation doesn’t mean they scale the same.

@WolfedOut Agreed, but I believe based on cosmology they more or less do. Imo DC has massively nerfed itself as of late.

I swear I better not hear zatanna vs raven requests now

​@@gameuniverse5973zatanna would easily lose :(

@@bitter_tearz nope

@ernar8926 is it okay if I ask why? Sorry, I dont know a lot about zatanna so I'm curious :0

Same!

Same am happy the blue lions path is my favorite

Can't believe they're going to do my boy Dimitri dirty like this

​@@SinHurrYou'll be pleasantly surprised.

I thought Ike would fight against Guts. But Dimitri is cool too.

​@@victordottaviano645This would be the closest matchup in FE protags vs Guts, but Dimitri is probably second closest.

Thanks, more people should do that

Thank you so much! This is so cool!

White hot room ignores anything raven could resist. The massive nerf to White Phoenix of the crown was so bad. The beyonder would absolutley trump raven/trigon in any capacity and he was scared of Phoenix force. Jean CAN kill raven. End of battle. The whole "but soul can regenerate" nonesense was a cop out for raven to win. Plus shes not touching jeans soul, if Peak Ghost rider using an ability on her to rip a soul dosent work ravens not working

​@@AquaHeartVGCGamingyeah soul manipulation is mid for phoenix users who shouldn't even have a soul in that moment

​​@@AquaHeartVGCGamingfinally someone with facts. The phoenix has shown the ability to manipulate souls but they had to leave it out to give Raven a trump card. Even if Raven can TP she can't leave the white hot room because it exists outside of the multiverse entirely.

Not as good as the last one though

@@Deathmare235 Agreed, but still pretty neat U-U

Yeah ok

@@Deathmare235 Better than Obito can Darth Vader

@@justingary5322 that's your opinion

No like for real people who actually thinks raven is stronger just don’t read jean grey phoenix comics

you think they are right that Raven can beat the Phoenix

​@@yusuranaomi3338I think they're just saying that the quality of this DB was high tier, not commenting on the battle itself

Loved how the themes blended!

@@yusuranaomi3338 That wasn't fair it was a composite Raven from the Pre criss, 52 and Post Criss

@70abonnessansvideosdu42 If they're going with current pheonix as of defenders beyond she outscales abstract entities like oblivion and surpasses even the White Hot Room. Raven was shown as of late to more or less be a slave to the great darkness if she touched it. And Oblivion and The Great Darkness are more or less the same thing, arguably. Oblivion was shown bowing to the pheonix force as well. Imo Ravens strongest form, the unkindness is more or less the Chaos King. She gets roflstomped by the Pheonix.

DC heroine????????????????????

ngl, I feel like the scarlet witch stomps Zatanna, I don't think that fight was accurate. but this one was in my favor I wanted raven to win badly

​@@haroonrahemi9211True. There's just no way for Z to win.

@@haroonrahemi9211 From what I understand, it was a whole lot of "I can do this to beat you. Well I can do this to counter you. Well I can do this. I can do that too. I'm stronger. I can make myself stronger" and more of that nonsense. It just came down to who had the more exploitable weakness. Someone else said it was like a fight between two champion gunslingers, the winner would be whoever draws first. It really could've gone either way

@@antigoku2083 No way? She had everything to win

Pheonix is capable of destroy whole marvel dc dude

​@tyu168 raven is capable of destroying all dc marvel bro. Both literally have done this. But I bepeave raven went even further destroying the God sphere and the speed force.

@@cngotham4111 she can't destroy pheonix even if she want duh if I will talk bout choas then these little forces gonna be down here

If Raven absorbed Phoenix's soul and/or the Phoenix Force, then Phoenix could just use that to burn her from the inside. Absorbing the Phoenix Force isn't a great idea when you're fighting someone who has complete control over the Phoenix Force.

Ironically it is. They have a sponsor that works for them. He produces the music for the fights

Look up “forevermore”

Let's hope Discord didn't hear that.

Genius

as Shaggy: Dude, SERIOUSLY?

Actually, I thought White Phoenix of the Crown would destroy Raven fairly easily.

@RetroFanatic-Trapster2 she would, Indeed, recently the pheonix was shown to Trascend the white hot room and scale above oblivion. Recently in DC Raven was shown to be unable to touch the great darkness otherwise it would enslave her and "its hold on her would be absolute". Marvel scales above DC cosmology wise, as the great darkness scales to oblivion at best. Oblivion was shown bowing to the Pheonix force. WPTOC/Pheonix > Oblivion >= Great Darkness > Unkindness(who is way beyond Ravens normal power level mind you). Marvel scaling gets weird, granted the GD probably scales a bit higher than oblivion it depends how you scale DC.

thats.. not quite the case. Indeed, recently the pheonix was shown to Trascend the white hot room and scale above oblivion. Recently in DC Raven was shown to be unable to touch the great darkness otherwise it would enslave her and "its hold on her would be absolute". Marvel scales above DC cosmology wise, as the great darkness scales to oblivion at best. Oblivion was shown bowing to the Pheonix force. WPTOC/Pheonix > Oblivion >= Great Darkness > Unkindness(who is way beyond Ravens normal power level mind you). Tdlr Pheonix scales above even abstracts such as Oblivion/The great darkness, which raven scales below and could probably outright erase them. So Raven is not above erasure from oblivion, much less the pheonix.

@@Re-gj3ykOblivion is nowhere near as powerful as the Great Darkness. Oblivion has literally zero impressive feats, and only ever shows up to lose. At one point, he couldn’t even handle Iceman

@@Re-gj3yk I never thought the Phoenix Force could scale above the abstracts, though. They're normally as powerful as things can get.

Reminds me of that Arceus vs Beerus DBC where they got hit with a bad case of It's-a-Pokemonitis.

@round1fight DC have always felt intimdiated by Marvel and made their herald characters that extra bit OP to compensate.

@@li-limandragon9287 wouldn't be surprised if that's their actual mindset

@@round1fight It is, even look at the DC comics after Galactus showed up.

@@li-limandragon9287 not really, its the opposite, marvel characters are overpowered. Next incoming comic is gonna be Iron man teaming with Dr Doom vs Beyonder and Allah. Spoilers dr doom will win