@@maglev957 I definitely want to do it, but idk how long it will take, also I'm gonna have to play through all the caves again so I can solidify my opinions on them if that makes sense
I recognized the Water Wraith's cave the instant I saw a cave entrance submerged in water. For me, "only blues allowed" is a HUGE wraith-shaped red flag
i was on the second floor and was like, "huh this music sounds like...." then realized the layout of the floor. Quickly went to recheck olimar's note and saw the rollers in the image (i was skipping over the notes and reading them after) and was like "ah, im in danger"
something i dont see people talk about is the music of engulfed castle, i love that the theme doesnt start right away, and slowly starts to sink in as the water wraith gets closer and closer to spawning
Especially since they made squad movement stupid in this game. You basically NEED oachi so you don't go insane just trying to move around a map. They made other pikmin controlling aspects even worse than original pikmin 1 too. Like, they're more unresponsive, give up carrying an object even if there's room cuz they get stuck behind the object, have unpredictable interaction distances or statuses to interact, etc. 4 is beautiful and I love it. It's a close call but I still think 2 is my favorite. It's just perfect in every way. And, it has amazing mods like 251 and colossal caverns, which is infinite pikmin content
I lost some pikmins when trying to evade enemies because of the controlling@@Subreon. I miss to be able to move them using something like the C stick but at least you can move the camera easily
@@alexursu4403 here's the thing though. Emile had to work around 2's gacha mechanic, which isn't a factor this time, so he won't have to go out of his way for a bunch of random stuff later on, which means the playthrough will likely be more streamlined.
One cool thing about the Engulfed Castle is that it starts with regular cave music, but the Submerged Castle theme slowly fades in as the Water Wraith gets closer.
The moment I saw the name of the cave and the image, my Pikmin 2 anxiety kicked in. It got substantially worse the deeper I went into the cave especially seeing the pipe floor. Thankfully my dandori was good enough that I managed to get through the whole cave without seeing it until the end. This was probably the 3rd to last cave I tackled in Area 3 so I ended up getting Purples from the other caves in the area beforehand.
i never played pikmin 2 but with the reputation the water wraith had for itself, lead to me having a small panic when i saw the rollers in the cave's log picture yet somehow despite me taking long enough for it to spawn on every single floor because i refused to move on without 100%ing everything, the only pikmin deaths i got in the whole cave were to a dwarf bulborb who got lucky while i was distracted trying to dodge the wraith would probably have been a lot worse though if it weren't for oatchi being able to carry your whole squad in a much smaller space
its a lot simpler in 4 than 2. He’s less aggressive in the levels - I think they set it up like that because you have fire/poison enemies with only blue pikmin so the wraith is meant to spawn to kill them
funny for me, i skipped olimar's log so i didn't see the "wheels" lol when i entered i thought it felt familiar but didn't put my finger on it at first, it then click and i had a CHILL down my spine when i hear that "droning" in the music, that's when i knew, he was back
I saw the name of the cave and that it was completely in water, noticed that only blues were allowed, and saw the image of the rollers. It was all of this combined that made me say, “no, it can’t be.” Nonetheless, low and behold, it turned out that the nightmarish Submerged Castle is back and remixed, and I love it.
The only thing i dislike about this is that you can see the rollers on the image when first interacting with the entrance. If it was just olimar's message, a random image of the cave and the name the PTSD would hit so much harder upon hearing the music and seeing the waterwraith drop
when I was like 8 years old I fought the water wraith for the first time. It took me forever to 100% the submerged castle and i had to go into the cave a bunch of times. In pikmin 4 when I visited the engulfed castle I recognized the music and was like so we meet again to the water wraith. on a side note the Cavern for a king Sublevel 16 was also very cool to play.
when i had got to this point in the game my pikmin field limit was only like 40 or 50, so needless to say the fear was immense also the bulbmin fakeout was very sad
I JUST BEAT PIKMIN4 yesterday it’s definitely the best I’m a fellow pikmin veteran been playing this series my whole bacc when we had no idea there was gonna be a countinuation I can’t wait for pikmin. 5
Submerged castle was TERRIFYING, probably because the pikmin get stuck everywhere and the water wraith was a lot smarter. Now he’s just a wonky guy and the pikmin know how to turn corners (for the most part)😻
People forget we had the almighty swarming input in 1 and 2. Drive the swarm like you would when rushing a sleeping bulborb’s rear and you’ll be just fine. Now it’s an endgame tool in 4 and it’s harder to use because you have to hold the camera input. Oof.
The funny thing is: When i first played 4 i was like brainstorming on what could be in this game. I was like: "Dang the waterwraith would be insane!" Then like a few seconds after i found this cave.
Don't you just love the untoggleable Autolock feature that both makes certain enemies a joke you can No-Brain them and makes fighting others a pain in the rear because it can lock onto things you don't want it to?
The Waterwraith managed to get stuck in the corner between the rebar archand the entrance to the next level for me on Sublevel 4. Was constantly afraid it was going to break free, but it never did.
I think its been well over a decade since I played Pikmin 2 so I completely forgot that they had a cavern where you started off handicap (not being able to use the pikmin you needed to) it was only when the wraith appeared that my PTSD kicked in and remembered you get the purple variety at the end of the cavern . This was also the cavern where I lost the most pikmin so far 30 to a suicide bomber which I also forgot was a thing
There are so many good callbacks in this game, primarily based around reworking stuff from the first game. Seeing how purples were reserved until the water wraith cave was a big win as well. Still, he is rather slow isn't he? I don't think it would be a stretch to speed up the meme ghost a bit, that or you may as well send him down from the get-go and remove his tracking so he doesn't just camp an apple after everything in the floor is dead.
oatchi does make this a lot easier, unsure if they extended the timer or if my panic made me never encounter him until the fight, this olimar log and the (kind of a joke) night time smoky prog are 2 things that made me feel genuine fear in 4 when I saw they were back for the first time the auto lock is screwing up because you have motion controls on also not buying shop upgrades?
i was screaming at my screen to use oatchi's charge to attach all of the blue pikmin onto enemies, especially when he was throwing blue pikmin onto the mushroom chrysanthemum one by one
"I wonder what i could do" instantly goes right to it.....sure it could just be timing, but the fact there was a double take in movement makes me think this is a fake reaction.
7:43 here’s a great example of how intelligent he is, and how this might have ruined his reputation in pikmin 4, He was gonna go to the apple, if he kept chasing you unlike in pikmin 2, he would have been scarier
8:43 He has no rules, no boundaries, no morals, he doesn’t flinch at torture, pikmin trafficking or genocide, and he’s not loyal to a country, flag, or any set of ideals.
i like to collect everything in a cave, evne corpeses and materals (cus i was always upgrading) and when i got caght half way through level 4 by the wrathe i let the pikmin in a safe spot while i had oatchi collect everything else, becasue the wraithe cant one shot him and he keeps carriing whatever he picks up after he gets hurt
my first reaction seeing flintstones flubber - oh god no not this guy! But in the end I kinda liked the cave. I hated it in Pikmin 2 but in this they push you with blue pikmin and straight away you have fire creatures. you need fred flubberstone to help you defeat the creatures to complete the levels. Yes he’s still a threat but fairly mild compared to the original
What I don't understand is that I've seen so many pikmin veterans and newcomers playing this cave but almost NOBODY uses glow seeds to have glow pikmins, like, even in the original submerged castle you were given up to 40 bulbmins to deal with the elemental hazards, people should pop 20/30 glow pikmins.
Engulfed castle is sooo easy. You can just have oatchi take care of all the elemental stuff, and he can easily outrun the water wraith, if you even see him. Also, no Bulbmin.
The First Thing i did was making Sure i got plenty of ways to go deeper down in Case He spawns He didnt Spawn until the final battle at SUB Level 5. But rather be carefull then loosing everything
Sadly the cave telegraphs his presence a little too much. For me the biggest give away was the preview of the first floor with the fiery Bulblax near the water. (Having to kill it with only blues in pikmin 2 is a very memorable experience, the entire submerged castle is a very memorable experience)
Wasn't expecting water wraith when I played. I was trying to skip through sublevels because I knew if I could get to the other side I'd be able to bring different pikmin. Went to get the castaway and halfway to the ship the demon spawned. Never left a cave so fast.
I had the same exact experience on lvl 4 lol. I actually ended up getting it stuck by the entrance to the next floor, so that made it easy to collect all the treasure.
My first encounter was horrifying but easy as long as you can get all the treasures furthers to him and than drag him away from the other treasures and it becomes really easy
When I kinda saw the leeks and saw that the waterwrath is coming back I just what until Pikmin 4 was out and got to that cave I just speed ran getting everything until floor 4 wend I saw it I got everything on the floor and got to the final level and kill waterwrath my heart was pounding
If you enter the exit it allows you to use or bring in any color however if you 100% and have the purple onion the cave is useless. If you don't have the onion you can speed run to get purples at the bottom
I wish you couldn’t use oatchi in the submerged castle (water wraith) or the ultimate testing range (man at legs) bc it made it too easy (and less effective ultra spicy spray bc winged pikmin defeated the man at legs really quickly with ultra spicy)
I didn’t even know the water wraith could spawn in on other floors, I beat the castle not seeing it til the showdown. I was slightly disappointed cuz I thought they just didn’t commit to the whole thing
Ikr. They even made the breadbugs less annoying because you can dig up the things they took! I honestly still haven’t killed the giant breadbug because I want that to be the last thing I do in the game.
i love how we got the og 3 (red, yellow, and blue) the og 2 (purple and white) the last 2 (pink/winged and grey/rock) and the new 2 (ice/cyan and glow/green) so we have 9 different pikmin not counting the 2 dogs (oatchi and moss) which can semi be counted as pikmin having the leaf tail and the leaflings that you save
