Pillar breech rifles - The missing link?

Подписаться 140 тыс.

Просмотров 7 тыс.

50% 1

Join us on the App! weaponsandwar.tv/
You know round ball, you know patched round ball, you might know squashed round ball and of course you know the minié(ball), but do you know the Tamisier bullet and the pillar breech rifle? You will by the end of this vid!
A dive into a short 4-5 year period when pillar breech rifles were the best of the best in terms of fast loading accurate muzzleloading rifles.
Paper Cartridges videos:
Tapriffel M1848: • From Cutting Edge to O...
Bullet evolution: • The first Rifle Musket...
EN FRANCAIS ICI : • Le fusil à tige - Le c...
Playeur/Utreon: playeur.com/c/...
Patreon: / blokeontherange
Teespring: teespring.com/...
Instagram: / blokeontherange
Facebook: / blokeontherange

Опубликовано:

9 сен 2024

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист

Посмотреть позже

Комментарии : 79

@EXO9X8 4 месяца назад

Came for bloke. Stayed for chap.

@Oblio1942 4 месяца назад

I think Chap is a great part of the channel.

@Legitpenguins99 4 месяца назад

Nonsense

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

@@Legitpenguins99 Well, you're not getting christmas card this year, hurrumph 😤

@wierdalien1 4 месяца назад

@@thebotrchapbest part of the channel

@joearledge1 4 месяца назад

You accidentally misspelled "...is THE great part..."

@michaelwhite9199 4 месяца назад

I agree.

@simonjones6128 4 месяца назад

Lovin all the geeky nerdy details. Proper hands on stuff. Chappie. With all the history. Excellent job

@danielwarren8539 4 месяца назад

Thanks. I love learning about these old rifles work.

@jamesbromstead4949 4 месяца назад

Bravo Monsieur Chap. A bit of much appreciated history. Thank you.

@colinarmstrong1892 4 месяца назад

Another excellent video. I particularly like the explanation and demonstration of the cleaning tools. More please.

@worldtraveler930 4 месяца назад

I can just see Ian and Chap sitting down at a bar somewhere or his workshop and absolutely Geeking out over French military armaments!!! 🤠👍

@SvenTheSveed 4 месяца назад

As ever, an excellent production - informative and entertaining

@marcusott2973 4 месяца назад

Much awaited, much appreciated looking forward to excellent insights as always from you.

@haroldofold8045 4 месяца назад

With Arthur van Rossem, keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal armouries in belgium, which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history

@mikeblair2594 Месяц назад

Oh now you're just takin the piss!

@cedhome7945 4 месяца назад

I used a Enfield for American civil war battle re enactments for over 10years , we would shoot about 40plus rounds in a short display and after i witnessed about everything in the way of cleaning you can imagine.lots of the regiment had no clue that enfields had a stepped Breach so god knows what there breach face looks like 👍 one method that seemed popular was boiling water with an additive . This made the barrel very hot but it then dryed very fast . Good to find out about these transitioning firearms and a clear relaxed explanation 👍

@dp-sr1fd 4 месяца назад

What is a "stepped breech" I shot an Enfield P60 and P53 for many years and I have never heard of one.

@MrTwiggy93 4 месяца назад

Great Video as usual! At 6:45, the Kingdom of Sardinia was another Country that adopted the Delvigne System with their famous Light Infantry, the Bersaglieri. They used the "Carabina da Bersaglieri mod. 1844", a quite unusual Rifle for its Time, and the Model 1848 Carabina that looks more familiar. The faced off against Austrian "Kammerbüchsen" in the First Italian War of Independence 1848/49 and they still used the Delvigne System during the Crimean War. They only changed to the Minie System relative shortly befor the War of 1859

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

Fascinating thanks! I was unaware that Delvigne ever faced Delvigne.

@christopherreed4723 4 месяца назад

I thought the Bersaglieri were Piedmontese. Isn't the iconic Sardinian regiment the Sassari?

@MrTwiggy93 4 месяца назад

@@christopherreed4723 They are the same. It was the Kingdom of Sardinia-Piedmont...

@christopherreed4723 4 месяца назад

@@MrTwiggy93 I hadn't known that. Thanks. Sardinia and Savoy/Piedmont aren't regions I've generally associated with each other.

@ExF1Guy 4 месяца назад

Great video and very informative history lesson! I particularly appreciated the borescope footage.

@yt.602 4 месяца назад

Having seen Brett's discussion on the Tige and pillar breech rifles, I was interested to see your take on them. Fascinating intermediate step and well presented. Cleaning too! Some sniggering was involved of course.

@derekp2674 4 месяца назад

Chap, thanks very much for another informative and educational video.

@AdelaideRegiment 4 месяца назад

Hi Bloke, the Danish m/1829/33 Sergeant's Carbines were converted from flintlock to percussion with Delvigne breech. I used to have one :)

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

The DK, SE and NO guns of the time are fascinating, they weren't afraid to try everything.

@peterparsons7141 Месяц назад

Lots of good info. I find the end of the muzzle loading era one of the most interesting periods of firearms history. The developments in rifling, ignition systems, projectiles has so many changes in a short period of time by many inventors. Some of the workmanship of rifles made around 1845 is very high quality hand work. Many firearms are low volume , high quality collectable, and shoot well. In Canada we have special hunting season for muzzle loading rifles, so you can go out in the woods with a nearly 200 year old rifle and hunt and there are few people in the woods. It’s like going back in time.

@peterparsons7141 Месяц назад

What is the diameter of the bore scope you use ? I am shopping for a bore camera, but many of the bore scopes don’t list the diameter of the business end of the camera end. Would your camera fit in a .300” bore ?

@jackbrown3689 4 месяца назад

excellent, i love these intermediate systems, belted ball would be the remaining pre Minié aspirant i can think of off hand unless theres a video somewhere i havent seen, although i understand it was favoured by 'Les Rosbifs' and is therefore questionable!

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

The "fitted bullets" are indeed another rabbit hole, be it belted ball, hexagonal bullets or even the Russian winged conicals. I believe British Muzzleloaders is currently exploring the Brunswick rabbit hole. Compression bullets are another, which Paper Cartridges has covered through the Lorenz rifle.

@Zorglub1966 4 месяца назад

Vraiment très intéressant! En plus sur un sujet plutôt obscur pour le profane! 👍

@Zorglub1966 4 месяца назад

J'oubliais : Bravo pour l'outil de nettoyage, moi j'imaginais un truc qui aurait beaucoup intéressé S.Freud!

@dazaspc 4 месяца назад

A great rundown of a step in development. No surprise it didn't last to long as I would imagine having to strip the rifle down to the barrel to clean it wouldn't have been to popular or even done to often.

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

My guess is that in the field they just used soaked cloth ribbons wrapped as shown. More work than the pump method but not fundamentaly different from cleaning any other muzzleloader.

@dazaspc 4 месяца назад

@@thebotrchap Indeed I was thinking that could be the case but as it wasn't mentioned I wasn't sure it was allowed due to how well they stuck to the cleaning doctrine they used?

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

@@dazaspc There's aways going to be some discrepancy between official doctrine and practice, if anything else when forced to adapt due to lack of time or resources. At the end of the day soldiers cleaned whichever way they could to meet inspection standards, especially if no officers were around. Holds true to this day no doubt 😶‍🌫

@ericd.7592 4 месяца назад

Encore une belle vidéo technique et instructive sur un système que je connaissais pas, mille mercis 🙏

@carlcarlton764 4 месяца назад

Nice uniform. Btw: Die Franzosen mit den roten Hosen und den blauen Jacken, kriegen was in den Nacken. The things you learned from your grandparents.

@Sman7290 4 месяца назад

I'd wondered how to get those clean around the pillar. Thanks, Chap.

@Kaboomf 4 месяца назад

Norway went for a unified Tamisier style grooved bullet for use in both pillar breech muzzleloaders and in Kammerlader rifles, adopted in 1855 as the standard projectile throughout the Army. This meant the muzzleloaders had larger diameter bores than the Kammerlader rifles which were loaded from the breech end, but all fired the same diameter Tamisier projectile.

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

Yes, I used to have both a NO KL and Thouvenin and I used the same bullet in both. What I currently use is just a scaled down version of the NO bullet.

@Kaboomf 4 месяца назад

@@thebotrchap That reminds me, I should perhaps do a kammerlader Mad Minute. Need to make a better nipple first, the rifle shoots fine but there's a tendency for caps to get stuck as I didn't use enough of a cone angle on the nipple. Found a 1860/67 cartridge conversion as well, but it needs more work as it's missing a couple of parts.

@TheWirksworthGunroom 4 месяца назад

Very good presentation. The boresight camera is especially good to illustrate the system. Interesting how the patch holding jag is broadly similar to common modern British shotgun jags. Perhaps the latter followed the Continental pillar type for some reason now lost but then became "standard"?

@johnfisk811 4 месяца назад

Well done young Chap. Excellently presented. OT I note the Danish rifle is beech stocked. A sound choice. I conceive of the Minie cup follow up as the cup working as a pre inserted tip of a Thouvenin tige and the gas pressure in lieu of the pillar.

@thomasbaagaard 3 месяца назад

7:00 Also the sleswig-holstein (german) rebels adopted it and by the Battle of Isted in july 1850 80% of their infantry where using it... and about 25% of the danish Government troops had one. (and cavalry on both sides had some as carbines. And on the danish side they where using the exact same bullet as the infantry, just with a smaller pwoder charge. Allowing infantry and cavalry to use each others cartridges if needed)

@thebotrchap 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the information 👍

@custardthepipecat6584 4 месяца назад

FANTASTIQUE !!

@mikeblair2594 Месяц назад

I think the tow would scrub the breech face well enough. If you want, I could make you a tow worm , but you'd have to drill and thread it yourself as I don't have a metric tap and die set.

@barenmarder 4 месяца назад

Chap rocking the hat, such a Zouave guy. ;p

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

Zouave and sophisticated ((TM) patch in the works)

@macnitt4039 4 месяца назад

Feeding al gores rhythm. Thanks Mr Chap

@raptor4916 4 месяца назад

I've always been confused as to why the Minié-type ball took so long to invent it seems like wheels on luggage type of invention.

@BlokeontheRange 4 месяца назад

Hindsight is a marvellous thing indeed!

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

Delvigne actually came up with the basic idea of a hollow based bullet in the early 1830s, with a straight walled cavity in the base to bring the weigh foward, so not intended to be purposefully expanded. The Belgians even did some extensive testing on it and it showed great potential but strangely, or perhaps politically, no one was interested.

@raptor4916 4 месяца назад

@thebotrchap but even then, humans have been using rifles for 3 centuries at that point, and it wasnt until the early 19th century someone sat down to try to improve the firing speed of their rifles?

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

@@raptor4916 Battlefield tactics hadn't substantially evolved in 3 centuries to warrant the investment in time, funds and training. Even the best minié rifles are only of any real advantage in the hands of thoroughly trained infantry

@raptor4916 4 месяца назад

@@thebotrchap Ah I found the answer in a papercartridges video manufacturing tolerances weren't there yet to use an expanding base bullet design.

@geraldgriffin8220 4 месяца назад

Somebody told me that in a pinch they used human urine ..but they may have been kidding.

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

I think that trope is as old as the handgonne

@joearledge1 4 месяца назад

4:14 squished balls are almost never a good thing...

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

@cedhome7945 4 месяца назад

Oddly some do like that.......

@joearledge1 4 месяца назад

@@cedhome7945 yeah... those people have serious problems.... with precision

@thomasbaagaard 3 месяца назад

10:30 that is simply not correct in case of the danish "taprifler" (both the M/1848 and the ex holstein guns) the majority where coverted to the breechloaded rifles using the snidersystem in 1866.

@thebotrchap 3 месяца назад

The devil is in the details. I said “TEND to be unscathed”, not “are unscathed”. I myself owned and made cases for both 1848 and Holstein Snider conversions many moons ago. 😉

@NelsonZAPTM 3 месяца назад

Didn't recognize you out of dpm bloke

@BlokeontheRange 3 месяца назад

Probably cos it's Chappie and not me! 😅

@JohnTBlock 4 месяца назад

How much powder per load, Chappie? Bore diameter, bullet weight, etc. How many Feet per second, roughly?

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

About 75gn F1, bore diameter is around 16.5-17mm (difficult to measure a 5 groove barrel), my bullet weighs 540gn, 16mm diameter. No idea of fps.

@canicheenrage 4 месяца назад

Pff, encore une vidéo sur le seul sujet plus rebattu encore que l'AR15...

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

Et pourtant la majorité des poudreux semblent l'ignorer, tout comme le système Delvigne. Bizarre, étant donné le prétendu déluge d'information à ce sujet que vous insinuez.

@canicheenrage 4 месяца назад

@@thebotrchap D'un, je n'insinuait rien, j'étais parfaitement direct; de deux, je sais que l'ironie passe parfois mal à l'écrit, et que l'on est sur internet... Mais tout de même...Cela dépassait l'hyperbole. Enfin, c'est l'intention qui compte, et corriger une fausseté perçue est digne d'éloges.

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

@@canicheenrage Désolé, je n’ai pas perçu l’ironie 😅

@canicheenrage 4 месяца назад

@@thebotrchap Aucun problème, comme je le disais, à l'écrit, et surtout sur internet, ce n'est pas difficile. Ravi d'avoir découvert le sujet ( le site "armement réglementaire français", pourtant plutôt complet, n'en parle pas ), ces vidéos sont toujours un plaisir. Et bonne continuation !

@thebotrchap 4 месяца назад

@@canicheenrage Merci! Au fait la version FR sortira prochainement