Pilot Can't Land in Windshear 

Me tooo😂😅

I’m a huge fan of this channel and showing my respect by not pointing out that’s the Yaw axis, not Rotation axis. 🤫🫣

Dunno who the “new guy” who’s helping Kelsey with his videos is but, Wow, they’re GREAT! Kelsey’s new subs just don’t know what the old days were like! 😂 PS - I MISS STELLA! Need to getta petition started about including her in another video soon! 😅😊👍🏼

And I'm not even a pilot

Caught my eye too 😂. And I've only been watching for three days now, Kelsey is great at getting us hooked on aviation.

You guys are lucky. Lot more pressure at 91/135 ops

Don't want to be mean but this sounds like a little ad?🤔

@@notircm An ad? For what?

​@@notircmPart 121 is an operations specification by the Federal Aviation Administration...not an ACTUAL airline called "121"

@@Astronetics I didn't knew that, I actually thought it's an airline. Sorry for misinterpreted that

You didn’t notice the change in airspeed…

@@Not-a-GSD "student pilot"

I logged many hours in a Piper Tomahawk but have never heard of a Beech Tomahawk. If that a small plane I'm not aware of or were you in a Piper?

@@76Draeger I never heard of a beech tramahawk either. I have many hours in single and multi engine Cessnas and Pipers. I hold a commercial license in the US and Australia with IFR and multi ratings. I know however mostly only fly an Extra EA-300.

@@Not-a-GSD I hold my private and log most of my time the past few years in a 501SP. A good friend based at KSPI has a 300 and they are not only phenomenal but fun planned to spend an afternoon in. When I was a student pilot, I preferred to fly my solo cross countries in a Tomahawk because the view while flying was hundreds of times better than out of s Cessna.

He is a Captain now. Well done to him and I totally agree with your comment.

We need some videos about Flight Dispatchers !!!!!!!

Hah! Great comment!

You sound like an archetypical redditor.

Why does ATC seemingly always ask the pilot for their reason for the go-around?

Many possible reasons. For instance is there something about the conditions or runway they should know about?

Best landings are the ones you can walk away from. P.S. taildragger pilot and crosswinds still scare the hell outta me.

If that means your customers are dying rapidly, I’m sure that manager also wouldn’t ask for approval 😅

More enlightened employers let their employees make operational decisions. The more decisions you let them make, generally the better your company runs. This is critical if you employees are left in charge of a $250 million dollar aircraft that costs more than $7,500 per hour to fly and upwards of $10,000 to land. A $4,000 go-around is also trivial when you compare it to the cost of a stoofing one in. And if you are working somewhere that doesn’t trust you with something trivial, walk. I wouldn’t trust them to pay me nor would I knowingly set foot in such a restaurant.

Comparing a restaurant to a B747 go-around? Are you for real?

@@GB-cs5oz I think I compared it to a waffle. I see your point. Trust me, no one is more disappointed than me ;)

@@GB-cs5ozyou’re taking things way to seriously. It’s a RU-vid video comment lol

I really like how Aviation learned that less pressure equals more safety. It's a very healthy work culture, which should be adapted at so many other places. Only if the pilots are not afraid of facing consequences for speaking out or for going the extra "better safe than sorry" mile, they actually put their and their passenger's safety as top priority.

Wouldn’t they still have to land if they are within 500 feet of certain objects under the precedent set by Trent Palmer’s case?

I don't know. It sounds like you know more about these things than I do. @@aycc-nbh7289

ATC Rocks!

Get yourself a way of listening to controlled airspace on the reg. 👍🏼 Doing this when I was younger and trying to repeat back what was just said helped “train my brain” to go from “eye, hands and footwork” to “ear work” much faster. I’m excited for you! 👍🏼 If you enjoy puzzles and “figuring things out”, you’re gonna love it. 👍🏼

@@FilosophicalPharmer Thank you so much ! Those words mean alot! I have to get in three years of work experience in before applying (I don't have a degree) but I will be practicing for the ATSA for all those three years. My brain has been working overtime the minute I knew I wanted this. Its like a light went on and I finally figured out what I want to do. I initially went in for PreMed undergrad but I just couldnt handle it and didn't know any better at the time, had to quit midway. Yes! I've already got LiveATC net bookmarked and searching for hours of recordings on youtube. I only hope I can make it. Sorry to ramble but its really cool getting a reply from a real live controller 😁. You guys are mind blowingly amazing.

@@mercyp7151 Never was a controller but I’ve known a couple of them. And if anyone ever asks you why you dropped out of Pre-Med, tell them “Because in 2023, doctors don’t work for the patients, they work for the insurance companies who pay them.” Best wishes! 👍🏼

​@@mercyp7151good luck!! If you're really passionate about something you usually manage to get where you want to, and/or it makes it more motivating to study for it. :-)

..it was spot-on textbook for HIGH CROSSwinds for sure. MY thought was I had ‘pictured’ the crosswinds FROM THE LEFT (?!)..@ 13:55 Kelsey said they were coming from the RIGHT, the plane’s 3:00 (“Strong crosswind that’s pushing them TO THE LEFT”), man can’t believe I screwed that up. CRABBING INTO THE WIND. (Idk..maybe it’s early in the morning or something).

@@m118lr the way he went from a diagonal approach to seemingly stopping mid air and crabbing in for the rest of the approach was down right wizardry

@@m118lr I heard that too, but the wind has to be pushing them to the right, otherwise why would you put your nose to the left like that?

Also from the perspective it was hard to see if they're aiming for that specific runway.

super impressive!! agree

Awesome. .....thank you for your service! !!!

I've done that a couple times. Certain RU-vidrs speak unnecessarily slowly, so I fix that. Then suddenly I'm watching traffic on another video doing like 80 mph in a 40 zone wondering why nobody's commented on that.

Ladies and gentlemen we found the ADHD folks commenting. 😂😂😂

They get paid. They dont want to die either.

Well said!

I do that for everyone from the janitors at work to the fast food workers at the drive thrus I visit. They are people too and at the end of the day don’t get paid enough to deal with how rude some are. I’ve had more than not the worker light up when I’m nice and you can tell they felt appreciated. It’s a wonderful feeling even if seemingly a small thing.

Great comment! !

The dangerous part of flying is the way home from the airport. Homes are dangerous; there are beds in those. People die in beds, yet sleep in them without concern.

@@unwoke1652 "You know, most accidents happen on the way to the airport!"

Don't forget the Xanax!

@@paulazemeckis7835 😂 always in my pocket😂😂

You got my vote, I have asked the same thing. As a groundling, how you guys “graduate” into bigger planes is interesting and pretty mysterious to me, what you fly at which point etc.

-I think subconsciously he wanted to impress his aunt.- Kelsey has discussed some things here & there in his videos. I don't think he wants to share the timeline because he doesn't want us to know his age for some strange reason. He mentioned that he started flight training a couple of years after college & that he became a 747 pilot in 2017.

Yes i would enjoy that very much. Sit on a high back chair and sip some coffee and just have "Story time with Kelsey"

@@Anna_XorHes probably doing for his own safety and the safety of his potential passengers. There are some psycho ass people out there.

@@Anna_Xor I believe he’s 43.

Yes, but you actually have to land. The last time I flew into Orlando Intl, we did three (THREE) go arounds. It was a perfect, cloudless, windless morning. You have no idea how many brutally stupid comments can be made by the passengers until you experience something like that.

@@purplesprigs Wow - under the conditions you described, I would have been really curious as to why the captain chose to do the go arounds. But, it's their aircraft.

The lack of depth perception in the video is deceiving too. I was wondering where they were going too until they settled into the last few seconds of approach and you could see their motion was matching the runway, even if the nose is pointing way off

Ohhhh, right, I wondered if they were at 100, 200 and *300M* (being about a metric thousand feet) but I guess we're gonna be stuck in Imperial for a while yet.

I noticed the runway in the first video looks identical to the one in the Japan video - though the perspective could be deceiving.

@@smgdfcmfah - I didn't notice that but I just went off what was said about it being Osaka and measured the markers.

@@ralphm4132I prefer Imperial as do many others. Metric isn’t the end all and be all Cheers

..a ‘tactical approach’. The way they fly the 130’s, C-17’s, C-5’s, etc IN/OUT of HIGH-“stress” areas or war zones. STEEP climbs and STEEP descents.

@@m118lr Expected in a military aircraft, not entirely expected in a civilian 737

That must have been fun!

​@@m118lrit's even crazier in military aircraft, because they can engage reverse thrust while in flight. This allows for even steeper descent than a civilian aircraft, even with the best of pilots.

its wing

After Mentour, who are the other 5?

Trent palmer Peter sripol Flite test Airforce and proud Would be my few suggestions

@@TheMovieLoft Thanks! My son is a pilot with American Eagle. I recently recommended this channel & Mentour’s to him & he loves them. He’s relatively new to airline flying & wasn’t a military pilot.

The MAGNIFICENT 7 includes 74Gear, blancolirio, dan gryder, Mentor Pilot, C.W. Lemoine, Real ATC Audio, and VAS Aviation. This is my list. Yours may differ.

@@chaplainleggitt7472 Thanks! I’ve watched Real ATC, VAS Aviation, & I’m subbed to both of Mentour’s channels. I’ll have to check out the others.

btw the scariest thing during flying for me is not turbulence, but the feeling of falling for like 1 second on random moments (I've read its when the pilots pull back the speed and you go slower which makes it feel like you' re falling?)

I’d be more worried about an unruly passenger than a flight problem. We live in this world today (especially the US) where people have this “me first” attitude and feel they can do whatever they darn well please. I had an incident where the plane actually had to divert to the nearest airport to offload an unruly passenger and let’s just say it was a tense situation I haven’t flown since Cheers

​@@NYX8Kon same,there was a moment when the plane i was on was landing,i promise you we fell for more than 4 seconds😮

If there isn't crazy wind at O'Hare, a tornado is imminent.

Yet I have had, bottom line, 200 flights in my lifetime and never experienced turbulence or any problems.

I used to live close to the airport on the Isle of Man, near always windy, and my walk to work was on the flightpath. The planes were all over, and at last second fine. I suppose they get used to it. But you got me thinking. Where I live now, its not often windy. So take a pilot from a non windy place to a windy coast airport... hmmmm. Thinking about your comment.. give me a windy pilot 👍

what was the first

Don't forget the Xanax....just in case.

@kevinsavard5998 Thanks! I was curious about where that was, it’s so lovely. I could sit all day in that house in the hills and watch planes land.

@@MetsterAnn If you look up the Zurich Airport Webcams they have several so you can watch live landings and departures.

Three bars. Not a captain.

Can't be Innsbruck as the crossing runway sign in the video says 16-34 while Innsbruck has only 08-26. This landing is in Zürich on runway 28, the village in the background is Kloten.

@@JanKunzmann I see 5 taxi ways going right on the video. That doesn't correspond with what I see on google maps?

As student pilot in basically the same time frame, I had my first encounter with windshear in a Cessna 152 in an approach to Molokai with a CFI on board who knew about the windshear but didn't let me know. It was eerily calm at first for Molokai but as I approached the numbers, the nose and port wing dropped as though we'd hit an invisible brick wall. The CFI had the controls, did a t&g and he talked me through the approach and landing. Will not ever forget flying into a windshear unaware again.

What you describe is a Cat 3 autoland.

Flew in after just constructed, very new and fancy.

Kansai

I was wondering whether it was ZRH - thanks for confirming

No pilot is dumb....they usually have higher IQ's.

It does make a big difference when you're flying a slow aircraft. A C172 lands at around 60 knots, compared to a 747 at around 150 knots, or an A320 or 737 at 140 knots. Given a strong headwind, actual ground speed might be 40 knots vs 130 knots, so the Cessna has 2 to 3 times longer to get on the ground, and it stops faster once it gets there. An A320 has a safe landing distance of around 6000 feet, so it can barely land on a 7000 ft runway. Obviously, the "safe" distance is far longer than it actually needs, but you wouldn't want to spend 1000 feet (about 4 seconds at 140 knots) stabilizing then try to land anyways. The C172 has a safe landing distance closer to 2200 feet. Depending on the source, it might be closer to 1000 feet, but I tried to keep similar safety rules in mind for a more fair comparison. As such, the Cessna can spend the entire 2200 foot length of touchdown recovering (a leisurely 22 seconds at 60 knots), then still have over two touchdown lengths remaining. A 747's safe landing distance is 7500-8000 feet, so it can't even land once on your runway. If you move to a runway long enough for the 747, your Cessna would have almost an entire extra touchdown length. Of note, the rules I looked up were for the EU, and it appears you'd actually need to multiply the safe landing distance by another 1.67 or so to be normally allowed to attempt a landing, so the C172 could land on a 3674 ft runway, the A320 would require about 10000 feet, and the 747 would require up to 13300 feet to legally land. But I'm not positive on all that. Either way, it's much, much safer to finish landing after a partial abort with a small aircraft like a C172 on a runway the jetliner can barely land once on. It's also relevant that a C172 is much narrower than an airliner, so you can be 30 feet off the center line and still land safely. So "stable" approach is more forgiving on the small aircraft, to a degree. The mass of large aircraft does make them more stable in the wind, due to the square-cube law -- the force of the wind goes up with the square of size, but the mass of the aircraft, and therefore its resistance to deflection, goes up with the cube of size.

It depends on how you measure safety of a travel mode. If you compare risk of death per hour or per distance travelled? Per trip? Depending on how you interpret risk, flying might be similarly risky as driving and trains far safer.

Very important buildings? That has a bearing ?

Oh, that would interest me aswell.

I see 5 taxi ways to the right of the runway. Doesn't look like any runway on Zurich Kloten to me on google maps

Great advice......enjoy your training! !!!

I thought the same thing! I was thinking, I never saw this Death Point before. That Grim Reaper Yoke looks pretty scary lol

With 99% certainty they had more than 30 minutes of fuel whe they touched down at JFK.

Depending on the passenger load, they have been able to carry extra fuel for the bad weather. So, they may have had a decent amount of fuel. I never plan on landing with less than one hour of fuel and below thirty minutes,.a mayday is required.

similar experience there too. Errie as it was 'night' but due to the latitude and season, almost like a late afternoon twilight.

@@billydoyle6919 You were in Tromsø?:)