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Pilot Short Story | Stuck on a Feeling 

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In this, the newest Pilot Short Story produced by the AOPA Air Safety Institute, a pilot must make a split-second decision: either abort his takeoff or continue the flight up into uncertainty. Noting that his airplane doesn't usually shake excessively during the takeoff roll, the pilot cuts the power and safely taxis off the runway. After discovering that the number four exhaust valve was stuck, he concludes the lesson learned from this experience is to trust that pestering feeling when something doesn't feel right.
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@StanBarankiewicz
@StanBarankiewicz Год назад
I made a pact with myself that if that little voice in my head is raising a concern, I listen and immediately abort the takeoff, mission, or whatever. I would rather the mechanic tell me everything is okay than risk that it's not. This is even more important when you are carrying passengers! My next article will talk about our solemn duty to protect our passengers.
@smartysmarty1714
@smartysmarty1714 8 месяцев назад
About 20 years ago, I was flying a Warrior, departing from International Falls on my way into Canada, fully loaded. On run up (mag check) something wasn't right....the rpm's were dropping farther than normal on one side, if I remember correctly. The engine didn't feel like it had full power. So, being a Sunday morning, I still listened to my little voice and went back to the ramp. They had to call the mechanic in, and he pulled some plugs and found the smallest little metal shaving you could ever imagine on the tip of one of the plugs. And that was the cause of it. It was probably about 1/16" square, if that. Always listen to your little voice...
@jwills818
@jwills818 Год назад
Absolutely a great way to operate. If it doesn't feel right, it typically isn't. Was on a full power climb out at approx. 200ft when suddenly the engine starting running very rough accompanied by a high pitched metallic pinging noise we could hear through our headsets, quickly followed by a light oil spray coming up onto the windscreen. We pulled power back to 80% and everything returned back to normal. We contemplated for a brief second if we wanted to be stranded far away from our home airport and have it grounded here, or nurse it 20 minutes back to our airport. We obviously made the decision to make an immediate 180 and land back on the runway and shut down to check it out. Long story short, we had hitch a ride back. I had gotten some judgement for not flying it back because of a small oil leak, but when they pulled it apart, they changed their minds. When the A&P took it apart the next day, the lifter for the exhaust valve had come apart, and chewed the pushrod and pushrod tube as it moved throughout it, also blowing out the oil seal. I was glad we ended up back on the ramp instead of halfway home in a field with a blown engine and a bent airplane. Always listen to that voice in the back of your head, especially when it comes to your safety.
@someguyontheinternet7165
@someguyontheinternet7165 Год назад
Better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing you were on the ground.
@af7439
@af7439 Год назад
I do aborted takeoffs with my students all the time. I slightly nudge a rudder, or will announce something on the runway. Sometimes I simply say "Abort, abort" sternly. With my more advanced students, I'll make that call at rotation speed. Better with a CFI, than learning solo in a real scenario. Good call.
@user-pj4ow2vi7y
@user-pj4ow2vi7y Год назад
When doing my PPL training back in the 90s, the exact same thing happened to me. Went to the airport fueled up taxied to run-up area and while doing the run up and suddenly sensed a roughness in the engine...same as you experience. I attempted for several minutes adjusting fuel, checked instruments, repeated run-up, everything looked fine. The engine just felt rough. I said to self "No, not today. Not going to attempt to fly when something is telling me not today". So I taxied back, tied-down, and advised mechanic. Mechanic came out, I fired up the plane, and the mechanic shook his head and said "stuck exhaust valve". He told me that I probably would have been okay but if had occurred during take-off and flight, but with the power loss it would have been a puckering flight to the airport 😬I counted my blessings waited until another day to fly!!! I agree. If something doesn't feel right during a run-up or any other time have mechanic to check before lining up on the runway!!!
@matthiasthum1126
@matthiasthum1126 Год назад
An aborted take-off was part of my final practical exam here in Germany. The tester pulled the throttle shortly after take-off so I had to land immediately on the runway. I am glad I practiced this before with my flight instructor. This should be a part of every pilots training.
@mauricioamado5975
@mauricioamado5975 Год назад
What you mean is that you made the "impossible turn"?
@matthiasthum1126
@matthiasthum1126 Год назад
@@mauricioamado5975 No it was direct after taking off the ground in a height of about 2 meters. Then landing again straight on the runway we took off.
@Postelnikov
@Postelnikov Год назад
@@mauricioamado5975 we have here in Germany a lot of 3km length runways easily available for training of such things. It would be harder to do on 500m runway 😅 but still on quite day everyone should train this.
@mauricioamado5975
@mauricioamado5975 Год назад
@@matthiasthum1126 Fantastic, thanks!
@mauricioamado5975
@mauricioamado5975 Год назад
@@Postelnikov I'm envy of you!😂 Here in Argentina I fly on a 900m grass runway
@kyleparrish532
@kyleparrish532 Год назад
"Gut" feelings is the reason humans made it off the savannahs of Africa to reach every corner of the world. Even if everything makes sense logically but you have a feeling that something isn't right right, that little voice is driven by thousands of years of evolution and is worth listening to.
@martinabud5735
@martinabud5735 Год назад
Very good point to add on the check list a full power check at the run-up.
@enthalpy
@enthalpy Год назад
Static rpm is important. I look for it as soon as I advance throttle I want to see 2250 within 2-3 seconds. Any longer to get there or lower rpm and I will abort and do a true static check. I call “max static” as part of my takeoff roll. Good decision making pulling power.
@danbuffington75
@danbuffington75 Год назад
I like your suggestion about practicing an aborted takeoff. No one talks about that.
@n1tchTV
@n1tchTV Год назад
This comment surprises me. At least when I got my EASA PPL it was not only part of the practical exam but has also been done in proficiency exams afterwards here in Sweden. Usually the examiner as you are accelerating down the runway for take off they will say "Hey look, a moose has walked on to the runway" and you are expected to act as if that has happend, power off, keep it steady and show you're in full control and don't panic. When they are happy you are they will usually then say "ok the moose has gone, continue with your take off". Of course this is thanks to the fact we have a 2.5km runway though in the small GA planes you could do that several times before hitting the end of the runway.
@erintyres3609
@erintyres3609 7 месяцев назад
I agree, every student should practice an aborted takeoff at least once. A pilot must be willing to pull the power and abort whenever something is not working well.
@akiko009
@akiko009 Год назад
I had to reject a take off once. A nice bonus was that a flight of F-18's had to go around and provided a nice up-close airshow as they flew the pattern to land. (The reason for the reject was later traced to a problem with one of the cylinders that had to be replaced.)
@pwilson90
@pwilson90 Год назад
The best thing you can add to your airplane is an engine monitor. I had this exact thing happen and knew exactly what was happening and which cylinder it was before I shut the engine down.
@bw162
@bw162 Год назад
Full power static checks aren’t needed unless you are doing a short field/obstacle TO or getting launched off an aircraft carrier. Restraining any equipment at full power that is designed for forward motion is hard on the equipment and passengers. Any GA aircraft at 90% of the airports have more than ample runway to make the check on TO roll as illustrated by your abort here. Static full power run ups really mess-up the props and often leading edges of stab. If you suspect anything, you can always taxi back and do a static check then but not as a general run up procedure.
@j_taylor
@j_taylor Год назад
How would static full power damage props and stabilizer? FOD?
@bw162
@bw162 Год назад
@@j_taylor Small grit, sand and stones from even the best hard surfaces get picked up by a vortex that forms between the prop and the ground. It wears down the edge of the prop blades and will remove finishes/paint from the leading edges of the stab from the material picked up and blown back. Look at any prop and you can see the wear if not chips along the edge. A lot of aircraft owners will not make rapid power advances on TO letting the a/c gain a little rolling speed before advancing the throttle to minimize the effect.
@zamzamayubi7743
@zamzamayubi7743 Год назад
The best practice ... dont T/O with doubts & noises .. awesome share of experience which is needed for a better Flight safety !
@JimBronson
@JimBronson Год назад
Man that was a killer sweepstakes!
@pharmakon6
@pharmakon6 Год назад
As soon as you said it was running rough on startup and then smoothed out as it warmed up I guessed t was morning sickness with a stuck valve. That is a telltale symptom every time.
@ToddJustman
@ToddJustman Год назад
Our flying club maintenance VP always said that if it isn’t right, it’s wrong.
@readgodlygamers489
@readgodlygamers489 Год назад
I love videos like this! Invaluable information from other pilots must not be underappreciated, regardless of flight time. Thanks for sharing!
@FiniteStars
@FiniteStars Год назад
Question for some more experienced pilots: is this the kind of scenario that a DPE might test you on in your written, oral, or practical exam? It absolutely seems like best practice for CFIs to be training their students on aborted takeoffs, but I’m wondering if it’s formally part of the information the FAA tests pilots on
@AirSafetyInstitute
@AirSafetyInstitute Год назад
Great question! Aborted takeoffs are not generally tested during FAA Private pilot airplane single-engine examinations. That being said, it's a good idea to practice them with a certificated flight instructor. It might save your life!
@kissoffire1
@kissoffire1 Год назад
Thank goodness you weren't able to get up to full speed for take off - I got the feeling that if you had managed full speed, you would have proceeded with the takeoff then maybe sat with a world of trouble in the air. Trust your gut!
@IanHorsford
@IanHorsford Год назад
👏🏾👏🏾good call
@grimdrown7293
@grimdrown7293 Год назад
I had a similar problem with my 170 bout 25 yeats ago but Iwas flying out of a 2000 foot rough field normal run up applied full power but the rough field and noise covered the fact that engine was rough till wheels left ground looked over saw 1900 rpm no straight ahead as all houses etc climbed at 150 ft per till saw 300 ft very shalow turn did impossible turn , returned . Lesson learned always look at the tach
@mauricioamado5975
@mauricioamado5975 Год назад
Good video
@ABQSentinel
@ABQSentinel Год назад
I'm kind of surprise by this. My CFI not only had me practice aborted take-offs, but also explained WHY you might abort a take-off, and the engine 'not feeling or sounding right' was the number 1 reason.
@marsgal42
@marsgal42 Год назад
I've only done one real rejected takeoff, marginal directional control due to a dragging brake. I know my plane and have developed a good feel for the difference between a genuine probem and an old plane being an old plane.
@lsalvan
@lsalvan Год назад
Hello,i’m a french private Pilot, and aborted take offs are required for examination
@AirSafetyInstitute
@AirSafetyInstitute Год назад
Good to know!
@TheAirplaneDriver
@TheAirplaneDriver Год назад
I got to 1:32 and knew exactly what was wrong. Been there, done that in my 140.
@boneseyyl1060
@boneseyyl1060 Год назад
Aborting a takeoff is never a bad decision. And sometimes it is the best decision you could ever make.
@SPQRTempus
@SPQRTempus Год назад
My very first aborted takeoff practice was my PPL checkride when the DPE looked at my logbook prior to the flight and saw it wasn't there so briefed me we would do one at some point during the flight. We were doing pattern work and he'd asked for a stop and go. The tower cleared us, we landed and stopped. I'd applied full power to take off, the ASI had just come alive and was showing around 40kts when he yelled, "abort!" I came to a stop. He then said, "OK, continue." I called the tower up and asked for a backtrack which they granted. Later in the debrief he said he knew he was going to pass me right then and there because I'd instinctively made a correct call in not trying to take off with between 1/2 to 2/3rds of the remaining runway left in front of us. Not that we wouldn't have made it, in his estimation we had more than enough room and performance available, but he knew I wouldn't have been able to make that snap call at my level of experience just having done something 'unexpected'.
@carlosmontalvo4351
@carlosmontalvo4351 Год назад
"I don't recall ever practicing an aborted takeoff." Because it isn't a requirement, but should be.
@freedomfalcon
@freedomfalcon Год назад
Had to do one of these due to moths a while back.
@michiganwoodsman2199
@michiganwoodsman2199 Год назад
My best friend was killed from this. It was a NO go around runway and he took off and couldn’t do the so called impossible turn due to 120 ft power lines and they crashed. One guy flew F4 and F16 for 1,000s hours and was rated to the tilt. The other had 10,000 hours in the super Decathalon. Guys just be stinking careful!!!!! Crap can go super bad super fast, safe flying ladies and gents.
@johnconnor818
@johnconnor818 Год назад
Aborted takeoff practice should be part of every flight instructors repertoire for their students, as well as the importance of a pre-departure threat and error management briefing.
@Lionheart1157
@Lionheart1157 Год назад
Thank you for sharing your experience and learning from this event. I would just ask one question: who would consider taking off in an aircraft with low revs and a vibrating cowling? In reality I am sure there are some people who would; very scary people who are a danger to themselves and others. There is a reason why so many accidents are caused by "human factors"! I would support a much stronger industry attitude to safety in flying... Thanks again!
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 Год назад
It seems hard to believe, but while aircraft have "standards" in their spec's to perform to, in the wide world of aviation, there are a LOT OF VERY DIFFERENT planes. What sounds and feels right in one can be very VERY wrong in another. That's why you'll find so much importance insinuated on "Experience on Type"... because very literally, even a Boeing 727 is different enough in sounds and feelings to a 747 (for instance) that a pilot from either one WILL screw up trying to fly the other... not even a matter of "if" but "when"... In Private Aviation, there are a LOT of "older" and "vintage" aircraft, too. Some are ridiculously different for "what sounds healthy" or "just isn't a concern" compared to others, like the vibrations you'll get from a tail dragger versus tricycle landing gear alone... That's enough to "trick" you into either a false sense of security in the tricycle (with more experience in tail draggers) or freak you right out in the tail dragger (because tricycle gear don't shake like that)... Story... to boot... I was once invited along in an older AN-1 (Antonov/Russian make)... AND being the "new guy" to the plane, I was stuck in the right side front seat (co-pilot)... AND everyone assured me "An idiot could fly her and land safely."... SO what the hell... I went. That friggin' clattering crate sounded like she was twisting her guts out coming to full power, and airborne we didn't get over 90 knots... I was about a hair's breadth of jumping out even rolling on the ground! BUT no... Nothing to worry about. The fact is, "stall speed" in the AN-1 is so low that it won't even register on the air-speed indicator. An idiot REALLY COULD land her safely with just a little paying attention! Of course, if I was ever in a Cessna that sounded or rattled like that, I WOULD have jumped out before we got off the ground. I'm no world-class pro', but I know when a reasonably modern plane sounds "like hell"... haha... Anyways... Hope this is helpful as much as amusing. The reality is a bit more complicated than we expect "at first blush". ;o)
@birds_eye_view
@birds_eye_view Год назад
@@gnarthdarkanen7464Very good examples. And another factor why would pilots take off anyway - is indeed the human factor. Your mind is set for take off. It simply IS. You can train yourself to let go of that goal quicker. But still, mentally, you have to let go first. So valuable seconds will pass from noticing something out of the ordinary and the decision to switch from take off to landing, to abort. Your first thought will probably always be: it cannot be THAT bad, can it? Other circumstances might count in as well, like a much shorter runway. An unfortunate abort might send you into the woods. Of course ending up in the woods from higher altitude a bit later will be much worse. But thats not what your brain will tell you in those few seconds you have. It’s important to always think ahead and train yourself to expect a failure during takeoff. But in the end we are humans and have limitations.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 Год назад
@@birds_eye_view Well, if you listen to Petter over on Mentour Pilot or Mentour Now (channels on YT) he discusses quite a bit about all the "briefings" that commercial pilots do... a briefing before they get to the plane, another just after the walk-around, and a briefing for take-off... and then a briefing for landing... while they get through the checklists, and a final approach chatter... to get everyone in the cockpit/flightdeck on the right page(s) for the situations as they arise and change... I get that we (G.A. Pilots) don't have the options... BUT one COULD still cheat and bring along an electronic recorder, giving the best "brief" on each leg as we go, just for posterity's sake if nothing else, and to remind us to talk this stuff through BEFORE we're at "zero hour" and stuck in the middle of the process when sh*t starts slipping sideways and we don't know what to do. It might only invent work for some, but for those who have enough experience to start getting over-confident, it could help just slow up and take a breath every once in a while. Make the active choice about where to draw "that line in the sand" and what to do about the problem, while you're still in the last minutes of relatively uneventful flight before you're struggling and slipping behind on short final. I only ever really get to play in ultralights, but I certainly talk to myself all the time... Nobody there to challenge me about "sounding nuts", and it can help organize thoughts AND make solid decisive boundaries... where I'm comfortable, uncomfortable but doable, and when to scream like hell into the walkie-talkie for help... haha... ;o)
@Kevin-438
@Kevin-438 Год назад
I have .7 flight hours in a Cessna. But from working on cars for 10 years. I immediately saw something was wrong 4 seconds into the video. I know a Cessna vibrates, but at 5 seconds you can see rhythmic vibrations in the video and dash and windshield, which alludes to something is wrong. Rhythmic vibrations are never a good sign in machinery. I will definitely do static flight checks when I’m off on my own…hopefully soon. 🤞
@Syncop8rNZ
@Syncop8rNZ Год назад
I aborted takeoff on my first solo - a crosswind surprised me and I wasn't happy with my response. I closed the throttle, backtracked and tried (succesfully) again.
@paulschannel3046
@paulschannel3046 Год назад
Full static is a good idea. I do it too. However.... I would wait until you're lined up and ready for take off rather than before entering the runway. Why... just in case there is an aircraft behind you. I know you can check first but if it becomes a habit and you forget to check they might get blasted pretty good. Glad you aborted... if it's not feeling right... it isn't! THE FEELING ALONE is reason enough to taxi back in and check things out.
@JB_Hobbies
@JB_Hobbies Год назад
In an attempt to check for this issue, I did a full power check during run-up during a checkride as I had been doing up to that point, and the DPE chastised me saying that if I were to do that at a hold short and my brakes failed I would bust the hold short. Guess I can always stop right after taking the runway and do a very quick full power check then if ATC isn’t in a hurry.
@akiko009
@akiko009 Год назад
Do you mean that in addition to the usual runup you also go full power at the hold short line? If so, I don't believe that's really necessary as full power is baked into every takeoff (unless the aircraft manual requires it). Just monitor engine parameters as you set takeoff power on the roll. It's also useful to pay attention to how long it takes to reach rotation speed, as that's a great indicator for engine power output. As to doing a full-power runup while lined up, I must say that the one place I like least at an airport is stopped on a runway with my back to incoming traffic (that I can't see). While I trust my fellow aviators, it's nice to be able to verify their actions.
@JB_Hobbies
@JB_Hobbies Год назад
@@akiko009 Sort, of. I used to also go full power in the run-up area if one is designated or off to the side of the taxiway before reaching the hold short. The DPE’s point was a hypothetical premised on if I, at some point in the future, were to choose to do a run-up at a hold short. And yes, I tend to agree that it is a little scary to sit on the runway. What I have actually been doing is the 50/70 rule, but that doesn’t let you observe static RPMs like the man interviewed in the video recommends.
@DavidKozinski
@DavidKozinski Год назад
Better safe than sorry.
@jannepeltonen2036
@jannepeltonen2036 Год назад
Aborted takeoffs during training: 1) there was a fox on the runway 2) the pitot system was frozen...
@adotintheshark4848
@adotintheshark4848 8 месяцев назад
It's always best to go with your feeling, gut or otherwise. I probably would have condemned that engine though. It looked a lot sludgy to me, which probably caused the stuck valve. It's not an engine I'd want to fly behind.
@dudhman
@dudhman 9 месяцев назад
Is this a useful mantra: if something feels wrong, the plane is trying to kill me. I need to stop now.
@joelleerickson2642
@joelleerickson2642 Год назад
I train my students for aborted takeoffs all the time. I brief them before every flight. I've had to abort a takeoff three times for real: once the RPMs weren't high enough, once the nose wheel was shimmying like crazy, and another time because the oil pressure was at redline. Unless you are flying a transport-category aircraft, NOTHING gets better in the air. Better to leave it on the ground and live to fly another day.
@deani2431
@deani2431 Год назад
A full static runup in my Thorp T-18 will result in a nose over and prop strike....which would be a bad day😢
@habutti
@habutti Год назад
Just curious as to why have both the Garmin GDL and Sentry?
@AirSafetyInstitute
@AirSafetyInstitute Год назад
The GDL helps keep track of the aircraft while the Sentry provides ADS-B In, GPS, CO monitoring, etc. So in essence, redundancy!
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 8 месяцев назад
1:45 I see the problem from here. See how it says "Continental"
@TheAlexIceman
@TheAlexIceman Год назад
🤙🏿
@mazerat4q2
@mazerat4q2 Год назад
If you don't get engine power on takeoff role why would you think it can fly?
@jefferyepstein9210
@jefferyepstein9210 Год назад
I would expect a stuck exhaust valve to damage a push rod? Is the airplane engine different than a car in that regard?
@flyluv737
@flyluv737 Год назад
It is. Typically a stuck valve won’t damage a pushrod. The rockers are floating.
@jefferyepstein9210
@jefferyepstein9210 Год назад
@@flyluv737 I didn't think about it being stuck open. If it were stuck shut I'm sure that would be a different story.
@gregjohnson2073
@gregjohnson2073 Год назад
What caused the exhaust valve to stick?
@brentdavidson1
@brentdavidson1 Год назад
RU-vid search Mike Busch exhaust valve for an exhaustive deep dive into why they can fail.
@don_5283
@don_5283 Год назад
Is there some reason that a person could be certified to fly without having practiced rejected takeoffs?
@scarybaldguy
@scarybaldguy Год назад
RTO is not part of the Practical Test Standards for private, therefore does not need to be taught.
@don_5283
@don_5283 Год назад
@@scarybaldguy Seems to me a private pilot is far more likely to encounter the need to reject a takeoff than a commercial carrier, so I'm wondering why the standards are structured that way.
@TheSoaringChannel
@TheSoaringChannel Год назад
Rough running, end of story. Going back to get it resolved - yeah do the run up. If the engine is shaking, that's a dead "jug". If you apply full throttle and don't get full throttle RPM while static, and the thing is shaking, immediately and gently close the throttle and get on the rudder pedals and ease into the brakes. No one will ever fault you for aborting a takeoff. I don't know the exact number: but I think I've aborted 10 or so takeoffs over the years. Improper power (RPM) achieved, EGT low and high, aircraft config warning system went berserk (wiring issue was deploying spoilers!!!), a rudder hardover... Don't be afraid to abort the moment you are able to perceive something isn't right. The sooner you know something isn't right: the sooner you should abort. The shaking dash and low RPM at full power is your queue: dump the power gently and get on the rudder pedals. Safe skies.
@Micg51
@Micg51 Год назад
I’ve never practiced an aborted takeoff in a single engine
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace Год назад
I did, but only because the engine stopped.
@riverraisin1
@riverraisin1 Год назад
@@UncleKennysPlace That's a very good reason!
@clytle374
@clytle374 Год назад
Congratulations! You are not in the list of pilots who took off with the aircraft begging you not too.
@franknewell7017
@franknewell7017 Год назад
I never did an aborted takeoff either.
@dustysrandom5079
@dustysrandom5079 Год назад
Wear clothes for the worst weather your flying over. 😊
@daveshangar6820
@daveshangar6820 7 месяцев назад
Before you aborted, I said, "Please tell me you're not going to try this anyway." I'm so glad you aborted. Many pilots ignore red flags and assume they will work themselves out. Bad synopsis on their part. Great decision on your part! That is a great point about the static RPM test. To get a static RPM spec, we need a good prop and a good engine or a really worn-out prop and a weak engine. LOL🙃
@PatHaskell
@PatHaskell Год назад
I fly commercial.
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