I forgot to mention I had to shorten the chain by a couple links due to the shortened chainstay length. Shift to your 10t and it is very loose and touches. Bike is a bit quieter after this fix
@@mtbmike9866 hey. I really love what you have done..! How successful were you at downgrading the firmware and setting up STUnlocker? Any tips? I want to do the same as you but obviously need to program reduced wheel size
@@mtbmike9866 can you direct me to any links to spell it out for me? How to go about it blow by blow? I really don't want to cock it up with a silly mistake..
Great job! My Orbea Rise is amazing. I can't stop riding it ( I have a shop full of bikes)! I'm waiting for my range extender too. I might toy with raising the fork length to 160 on my Fox 36.
Thank you soooo much for letting me know which frame bag fits to this frame. I have an Occam and was searching for quite some time. :) Already ordered it. btw. nice bike and awesome upgrades. Cheers from Germany
For full 29er setup, I would suggest 2 offset bushings for the 8.5x2.5 shock and a 170 air spring for the Fox36 to get the HT angle at 64.5. With a 160 fork, your at 65.0
Was the 5900 feet in eco mode or boost? If a light Emtb can really get that kind of elevation gain, why get a 50 lb with 700 W battery? Love the build.
Great job Mike. Love the mods. I’ve done 1,100km with 36,000m ascent so far on my M10 and it’s been great. Only changes I’ve made are 160mm air shaft and Cuschcore Pro rear, XC front. I ride really rough rocky rooty trails here in Scotland and bike handles it all. Just got my range extender last week and used it for big day out. Completely destroyed my mates on full fats. Only issue I’ve had is had to replace main pivot bearings as ridden hard in a lot of mud. My LBS I bought it from did it for free but was a real pain as the rear brake and speed sensor cable housing interferes with bearing removal. Not the best design.
Great 3 month review ,,,, i have the same bike .... done a few mods but not mullet yet ..... having had a mulleted levo which i loved . However still finding this brillint in the 29er setup ..... so qick on twisty singletrack .... cheers
aweseome build!!! i got me a rise m20 two weeks ago... i want to do this... the bike is a lil bit too big for me if the bb is a inch lower it would work perfect... i need to look into it.... i dont want to spend too much... can i keep my normal fork and rear shock? or do have to change them?
If you put a 27.5” wheel out back, it may drop your bottom bracket to where you may pedal strike a lot. 150mm-155mm cranks may help. You can also try putting a 27.5x2.6” rear tire out back so it won’t drop too low
Got my Rise M Team few Weeks ago. Must confirm everything You experienced. My change some of Your parts. So far i have only switched the Rotors plus the Wheels to Race Face Carbon. One interesting Thing: That mini Dongle shows badly the Battery State; i bought the Garmin Watch which shows all the Information about the Battery, just as the Shimano Display, but leaves the Optics nice and clear. Alltogether a brillant bike! mine weights just unter 18 Kilos what i fing amazing! Love my Rise. Ps: Range Extender is waiting for me in the Shop! Finally. Cheers from München Yours is M-Team? Good Video!!
Looks almost like a Rallon now! Sick! Did you just put in another Fork or do you need to do something else? I'm thinking of buying it in Xlarge instead of Large, if the reach gets shorter then it would fit well. can you please put a link of the offset bushing you talked about in the description?
For your 175mm dropper, is that seat post all the way down as far as it'll go, or did you raise it for fit? I'm just about done with my conversion (also a medium frame) and want to replace the 150mm dropper. I'm hoping I can use a 185mm Bike Yoke Revive but worry that the seat might be too high if I can't drop seat post all the way down in the tube.
Hey Mike. Great review. wondering if i could get a little advice from you. I currently have a 2020 Merida e onesixty and a Yt Jeffsy. I am seriously considering selling both bikes to get the Rise. I ride my Jeffsy more than the emtb as i am a fit and strong 50 year old. I really enjoy the emtb but i only ever use eco and sometimes trail. I am faster on my normal bike when it comes to climbing than all my buddies. Long story short do you think the rise can replace both my bikes, and be the one that does it all? I have pimped my jeffsy and all my good kit will swap straight over to the Rise also. thanks very much for your time.
Definitely a possibility if you don’t ride a lot of Park and your local trails are good with Ebikes. You can ride the Rise with your acoustic riding buddies no problem with the motor off. It seriously climbs that well and handling will feel much closer to the Jeffsey than it would the Merida.
hi! i m owner of a Orbea Rise M10! Like to upgrade the travel to 160mm/160mm aswell. Is it possible to ride 29" at the rear even if i upgrade to 160mm (216x63 DHX2)? Love your bike!
Well done on the review! What an awesome setup bike looks amazing! I currently own an evil wreckoning and a s-works first gen turbo levo love both of them but am thinking of selling both and doing a setup just like yours having just one bike that bridges that gap. Don't really need all the battery on my levo as my rides are not all day sessions but want to stay with the e-bike setup and the rise looks like the answer....your thoughts would be great. Thanks and a well earned sub
Currently I have 3 bikes (hardtail, Norco range, and rise). Honestly all I need is the Rise. Can ride with the motor off with acoustic buddies, can ride Solo and do 3000’ in 1 hour, or use little power and do 6000’. I have the range extender and have done 8300’ on one of my rides. Crazy…
Hi Mike. My M10 arrives in October. I’m very interested in copying your mullet conversion. Who manufacturers the offset bushing & where can I get this in the UK? The rest of the conversion seems pretty straight forward & solves the x2 biggest potential issues with this bike - the steep HTA & the short travel rear Great video. Thanks.
Offsetbushings.com, based in the UK. 8mm offset bushing on both ends. One 8x15.75 is all you need if you want 64-64.5 HT. If you want to go slacker, you order two but the other one is a different length
Great video! I have a question about the mullet conversion: with the lower rear axle did you notice the reduction in antisquat going uphill with excessive bobbing? Thanks!
My concern was too high anti squat as most curves start off higher and drop off as you go through the travel. By the axle path beginning even earlier, anti squat at sag is even higher which is not good regarding suspension performance. Thankfully Orbea must have given the Rise less anti squat than it’s cousin the Occam and it seems to be a good balance between little to no bob and shock sensitivity
@@mtbmike9866 what do you keep in there? 😃 I’m always of the mind of sticking the weight on the rider so that the bike is more poppy/easier to shift off the ground
Awesome. question, with this bike, by going mullet, does the extra travel you created raise bike some for the mullet? (I also love mullet, only way to go)
Hey Mike - Apparently the fox coil or in fact any coil has a high chance of snapping when used in 216x63 with the orbea shock extension ? Have you heard this have you had any issues ?
Looks great, I’m getting mine at the end of the June, I ordered it back in February, plus I have everything ready for the mullet setup, because I’ve been riding a regular pedal bike in the Mullet configuration for around 3 years now and I absolutely love it. I have three different 8.5x2.5 shocks available, from a Fox X2, Fox DHX2, and a ROCKSHOX RCT3 My question is about the rear offset bushing, can you please send me the exact dimensions and where I can get it from? I’m in the Glendale/Pasadena area. Thanks again for your information and I’ll send you my mullet setup
Offsetbushings.com They sell the top or bottom bushing, just specify your bike and they should have the correct size. Bottom bushing is 15.75x8 and top is 21.84x8. I bought both but only used the 15.75x8 since it’s easier to install and you can reuse the Fox Bushing sleeve. They ship you replacement grey bushing sleeves but they are harder to press in. I went ahead and added this information on the description
Mike, great video and thanks for sharing your bike and changes you've made. I have a Rise coming this week, but at 5' 7" I do get some "butt buzz" from my 29" Orbea Wild FS, so very interested to see how this goes. Also, I like that you were able to make it a little slacker but still maintain the rest of the geometry with the shock change and spacer. Very interesting and thanks for sharing. 🏴❤🏴 P.S. the ability to adjust the RS motor with StunLocker is interesting too ... if only you could have a 3rd profile that would change to more NM on the fly!
I never rode the bike with a 29er in the back. Went straight to mullet. I’ve buzzed on every 29er I’ve tried. It depends on the trail and features. You are supposed to be more leaned forward on modern progressive bikes but it still happens.
Regarding the Power, I have my Eco set to 30Nm, trail to 45Nm, and Boost to 60Nm. On the Rise, 30 feels like 40 on my old Decoy and 60 feels like 70Nm. It’s plenty of power. I’m normally riding in between Eco and trail and off on occasion when riding solo and wanting to get lots of elevation. When riding with a group of full fat bikes, I’m in Trail most of the time and Boost on steeper sections.
@@mtbmike9866 sounds like you're the same as me! 🤣 I'm 51 and "reasonably" fit. When I'm on my Wild FS and I'm out solo, it's eco all the way and I use it as a training tool. "Last time I got to the top of this technical climb in Tour/Trail, this time I'll see how far I get in Eco" ... and so on. So I am always pushing myself, but when I'm out with the fitter guy and they're on their emtb's .... I'm in Tour/Trail to stay with them. So for fitness I try and get as many solo rides as possible so I don't need to be in Eco with them. But it's all relative. You can be in Turbo/Boost and still be maxed out. I do like the increments that you scale the assistance. That way there's not too much drop or increase and not to much shock either way. To be honest I am rarely in Boost/Turbo at all as it tends to be too much and spins out. Anyway .... really looking forward to getting the Rise, and thanks for sharing what's possible. 🥰
Can you please list shock dimensions in mm, and the offset bushing , where did you get it? Where did you spec the shock hardware? Fork offset? 44 or 51? Thanks! Any tire fitting issues in the rear on the chainstay based on the shorter 27.5 wheel?
Great video Mike, very interesting with the unlock full power. Have you done this yourself? Its a shame warranty restricts this as it would be good to have boost mode or another mode set for riding with your Full power Ebike friends.
60Nm with Assist set to 100% is plenty to keep up with full fat. The bike has a greater power to weight and 60Nm feels closer to 70. I’ve tried the bike at 80 and it is ridiculous and feels like 95-100. Smoked a Levo and Rail up on a drag race.
Loving the bike Mike! My Rise will apparently be arriving in a week or so... Just looking at getting bigger brakes (front and rear) - what's the largest rotor size that you think will go on the rear? I was hoping to squeeze 220mm on, but I think it might be a little tight.
I see that in another video you go for 170mm to get it slacker, but eventually even here if you go for both offset bushing you get the same with 160mm.
I rode a 2020 Spec enduro for almost seasons. That’s been my favorite bike up to this point. How does this bike compare to that on the downs? I I just sold my enduro and my next bike will be an ebike. Just trying to figure out which one to get in summer 2022. Thanks!
Awesome bike Mike! How tall are you? I am 1.65m (5ft5), and I think I am on the edge of a small and medium, but with your comments regarding to get a shorter reach I am thinking about maybe getting a small! Thanks in advance!
5’8 but with long arms and legs. After slackening it, reach went from 450mm to about 430mm. Ended up getting rid of the Medium frame and swapping with a Large frame where the Reach ended up reducing to 455 or so. I have 2 friends at 5’5” and both on Medium
Great video, I am looking to do the same thing, my Rise in one the way. Looking at the manual it shows that the stock rear shock has the same offset bushings you list in this video's description. So for my coil install should I use a non offset bushing for the front mount of the rear shock instead of the stock offset bushing? Thanks
The bushings must match to fit the shock to the frame. Stock bushing is drilled in the center. Offset bushing is drilled 2mm offset from center. Both are 15.7x8 I believe
Could you please give your heigth in cm? I am ordering a Rise and not sure size. I am 174cm. Love the mullet concept in my case 150/150 and 27.5 rear. Getting maybe half head degree angle. That 's my project! Thanks for great review
Hello Mike. Thank you very much for your review. As I understand, the reason to use offset bushings is to have more slack geometry. What do you think about configuration 160/150 mullet? For this configuration shock size will be the same? What maximum shock size is possible to use in this frame? I not a big fan of offset bushings, but with a height 5’5” it’s really annoying to have 29 wheel in back.
You need a 216x8.5 shock and may get away without an offset bushing but your rear linkage could make contact. Offset bushing eliminates this possibility. My 8.5x2.5 DHX2 had plenty of room but my 8.5x2.5 DPX2 was too tight. Depends on the shock tolerance and they all differ slightly. With this shock, your rear end will be 160mm. You have no choice. So you will need to buy a 160 or 170 air spring for about $50 to upgrade your fork
Hey. Is it possible to convert to mullet without changing the rear travel? Or potientally change the rear travel to 150mm? What shock length do I have to use then? Nevertheless I’m mounting a 160mm fork.
Hi Mike, Sorry if this is redundant, but I did not see on the comments. You have a 8.5x25. coil but using a 67mm spring instead of a 61mm spring. Is there a reason for that? I bought a 425x67 spring and it seems to buck me a little. I weigh 165 lbs with all my gear. Thanks!
You may need a 450 or 475 spring and add some compression to the shock. I am 150 and running a 400 but just moved to a 425 since I’ve been jumping more lately. A 425x67 should never cause the spring to Bind on a 63mm stroke shock
Yes they should. But everything on the bike is very close to stock. Just upped the fork for $50, sold stock shock for $450 and installed new shock $700, and a smaller rear wheel. Net cost wasn’t that much if you have some parts lying around or can sell the old parts.
Hi Mike, I think you have made the perfect bike. I'm looking at the 2022 H15/30 as it is alloy and has the new 21700 cells 540w. Do you think it will mod up the same? Thanks
I’m 5’8” with long arms (6’1” wingspan) and legs (32” inseam) so a Large would fit me as well. If you have shorter legs and arms a medium works and is more playful and maneuverable but definitely less stable when your going fast. When you mullet you lose reach so I do think a Large would suit me well.
Great video, thaks for sharing. I have also a Rise since January with 3.500km on it. It is just amazing. I would like to extend the travel on it. So I will go for the mullet configuration, a Fox X2 216x63. For the Fox fork have you tried 170mm travel? Thanks and MTB for life.
I have tried upping my Fox 36 to 170mm and love it X2 will not fit your frame unless you have an XL size. The big air can hits the frame at full compression on the smaller frame sizes but clears the XL
I was just going to buy the Fox X2. My Rise is S size and I weight 130 pounds. I will go for the 170mm travel on the Fox 36 (thanks again for this other video) I have never used before a coil shock, normally I ride 20km on flat until I hit the trails. What shall I go for?. Head tube angle with the 170mm? Thanks again for the great videos and your comments 😀
@@sacha1975 Go coil, you will stay away from air after experiencing all the grip and stability it offers. DHX2 with 1 offset bushing. 350lb spring. HT is 63.8 with 2.4/2.4 tires, 63.5 with 2.4/2.5 tires.
What type of headset does it use? You could get the reach and BB back in check by using an angle set. -1 or -2 with a 10-20mm longer fork basically offset each other.
Doesn’t that steepen the head angle? I like it at 64 degrees. What I’ve done is lower the stem and longer stem to offset the shorter reach and seems to be fine.
@@mtbmike9866 I ran the numbers in a calculator with a 9point8 -1.5 angle set and 160mm fork (standard shock): 63.5 HTA, -8mm reach, +2.5mm stack, -0.5 STA, -2mm ETT, +4mm BB vs no angle set: 64.5 HTA, -9.25mm reach, +7mm stack, -0.8 STA, -2mm ETT, +6.5mm BB So by using an angle set to slacken the HTA and putting a longer fork, you keep the geo more in check and basically just change the HTA
Kindly explain those numbers on offset bushing i dont understnd, and if you order at offsett website do i need to just put in the shock model and bike frame model and they will send the correct bushing?
One further question regarding 2 offset bushings with 29er- 8.5 x 2.5 . Both bushings installed to shorted each end (eye holes facing each end of shock)? I currently run a Lyrik at 160mm. This will roughly make the rear travel around 155mm? Thanks Mike.
No, offset bushings change eye to eye of the shock which affects Geometry only. Shock stroke defines travel. 55 = 140mm of travel, 60 = 154mm, 63 = 162mm
@@mtbmike9866 Got it. So just follow what's on offsetBushing.com and run the both eyelets facing (each other) middle of the shock? Also with the mullet set up like you run and 1 rear bushing. Have the rear bushing facing the middle of the shock also?
@@stevedzurilla2436 run 0-2 offset bushings depending on the Geo you want. 63.5-64.0-64.5 depending on how many you chose. Yes run it just as you’ve described
I’m going to do that soon Will use 2 offset bushings and have a 170mm Fork on it now so HT Should be around 64 Deg and BB a bit higher at 345mm which is great for a 160/170 travel bike
@@mtbmike9866 Thanks! Look forward to the update. I will try out the offset bushings with the standard 140mm Float X. I'm running a 160mm Grip 2 fork with it.
Great job giving out the details on these bikes. I am looking at the 2022 Rise Hydros. I am 6'1.5" with 35" inseams, so I'm XL in Orbea sizing guide. Curious if MTB mike or anyone thinks I'd be better off with a Large for some of the reasons mentioned in the video?
Hi Mike. I got my Orbea Rise today and would like to change the Shock also to DHX2. Can you tell me what exactly I need everything for this? One bushing ore two bushing? For the bottom and for the too? Have you also changed the rubber? Because the oiginal black and yours is slightly red? Thank you very much in advance! -Denis
8.5x2.5 shock for a 160mm rear end. 1 offset bushing 15.75x8mm 1 27.5” wheel and tire Remove 2 links off your chain as mulleting shortens your chainstay a tad. I Did not change the bottomout bumper on the shock.
Hello, congratulations on your custom build. Great job!!! As you, travel is too short and I would like to increase the travel by at least 10mm whilst keeping 29" wheels. What simulation tool do you use to see the impact on bike geometry goes depending on the fork update and rear shock? Thank you for your help.
@@mtbmike9866 I would like to up the fork to 160mm or 170mm depending on the final geometry. The minimum will be 160mm front and 150mm back but what will be the geometry with these upgrades?
@@mtbmike9866 Thanks a lot. Are the different HT with 160mm rear travel or 150mm. I understood from previous post, if I go for 160mm I should use a 216x63mm with two offset bushing?
I ended up with 2 extenders. Did 50mi, 10,600’ with it. It was a bit too much!!! I plan on selling both however since I’m getting a Pole Voima Ebike and I’m honestly not a huge fan of such a long ride. Anything over 5K’ is enough for me
Not sure about the X2. On an XL, then its fine. On a Large, some say its fine while others say it could rub slightly. Offeset bushings won't affect this but the Air can's outer diameter will
Yea, the bike in 29er is really good as well. Slightly less playful but feels like you got 5-10mm more suspension out back. Currently have 170 up front, 160mm out back in 29er. 64.4 deg HT angle and higher 345-347mm BB but once saged, it’s within 2-3mm of stock since you are at 30% of 162mm vs 30% of 140mm. I think 63.0-64.5 is the sweet spot for head tube angle for more aggressive riding
@@spookyspxxky9413 offset bushings are designed to reduce the eye to eye length of a shock. If you want to a 150mm rear end on a 29er, go with a 210x60 shock. Actually gets you about 153mm. If you want to run a mullet, you have no choice but to run a 216x63 shock with 1 offset bushing which turns this shock into a 214x63 shock and the 63mm gets you about 160mm of rear travel
@@mtbmike9866 Thanks for that info... I actually did some reading after your first reply and then realised that offsets only shorten a shock. I'm not bothered about the mullet, just want to replace the std forks with my 150 factory forks and not throw out the rest of the bike, so your 210 x 60 may solve that. 👍
@@mtbmike9866 hmm if I get it right for a mullet you need eye to eye 214 length. So i could run a mullet with 140mm real travel using 210x55 Standard shock with 2 offset bushing mountend to lenghten the eye to eye, right? Means I could try mullet or full 29" without buying a new shock? I'd love to try a mullet, but I also would like to stick to the 150/140 mm travel setup
160 felt good with minimal handling change. I uped it to 170mm and it did change the bike. Had to slam the stem to get back the handling. But it’s pretty sweet now at 170mm
It has a really large air can and could be a problem. Even the X2 will only fit an XL frame. Some say it fits a L but others say it touches at full compression so best not to risk it until you confirm proper clearance at full compression and extension on the frame size you’re running.
Hey Mike, just catching up with this old thread since I’m ordering the H 30 size small. Anyone put a Dhx2 or other shock 216 x 63 on this size small frame?
Hi Mike I am planning to order an H30 Orbea rise and I want to make a mullet conversion and parts with it at once. I'm 165 cm tall and 65 kilos and I will order a Medium size. The head angle I'm trying to find is nothing lower from 64,5 to 65 degrees at most. Considering this, what fork and shock combinations would you suggest me to put into the basket and order at once?? Thanx in advance, cheers...
@@mtbmike9866 Hİ again...things have changed...I will get a Small size rise and want to convert it to a mullet without dramatically changing the BB height. Considering the dimensions of Small size frame; without changing the stock 140 mm shock and only adding an offset bushing(or two?) do you think my BB height would change dramatically?
Even replacing the shock with the same size will void warranty since Orbea never tested a DVO or RS or whatever u decide to use. That’s why u have to test it yourself to confirm.
