I've on a Zerode since a handful months, and agree to what you report. I'd like to add one fact that is not mentioned that much in these discussions (Pinion vs derailleurs), but which I think is the most important advantage: The "real time" gear change. My point: When twisting the shifter I KNOW that the gear will be in place AT EXACTLY THAT TIME. Changing gears with a derailleur is, in comparison, more of a "change request". Hopefully it will happen "pretty soon" after the request. But we all have experienced "slow delivery" cases, and the annoyance of that. After riding the bike some months I've started to value this MUCH MORE than the somewhat strange argument that "it doesn't change gear during load". I mean, give it a thought: Why do we "value" gear changes during load? The answer is (I claim): We've learned to do it this way. Not because it is "good".
@bjogen1, well worded! The Pinion basically forces respect because of the nature of the beast. As a result my shifting is more precise & on my regular geared MTB has improved as well (no more gear crunching).
Great video! Not many Pinion reviews out there. This is one of the better ones. This past season (winter of 2018/2019) I built a MTB full suspension bike with Pinion 1.18- 18 gears. I rode almost 1000km this 2019 season. There all always the same sarcastic remarks on the drawbacks of this drivetrain. While I’m not going to argue that they’re not drawbacks; they’re not near a big deal as people think, and a few minor drawbacks out-weigh some of the bigger drawbacks of a “normal” drivetrain. I also agree on the learning curve part, and very much with the “how did I ever get by on a regular drivetrain!” I bought mine frame and gearbox slightly used. (2016 model on an Alutech German frame). Built up the rest new. It’s a great option! No more tuning gears or derailers getting bent or torn off on a MTB ride. Perfect for my enduro bike. Rear suspension is supple and active. Centred weight gives the bike a very stable feel and can help you roar though the rough stuff! Personally; if you can afford it- it’s certainly worth the money. I’d never go back! It’s my dream come true. So unless you’ve ridden one- don’t knock it until you’ve tried it! Cheers & happy trails !
Agreed with all what you say, gearbox is a future, no way back to traditional derailleurs, Zerode is the best bikes on the market! PS. take a look on Egon grips, they have one model exactly for using with this new shifter
@@SteveGouldChewy I think it's individual thing, but for my hands they are fine. They have locks on the outer side and perfectly match shape of shifter.
@@SteveGouldChewy I got a pair to replace the cut grip that was getting worn out. It is about 10mm longer than my cut grip, shifting the brake lever in further.
Thanks for this analysis. I've been planning a Pinion bike purchase for next spring. This is the best description of what I can expect that I have found. Everybody else just seems to extol the virtues without getting into how it FEELS.
Bought a gearbox mtb a month ago, was a little disappointed, however after watching your video I’m happy to hear the issue is me & not the gearbox :-) Great video, cheers!
@@SteveGouldChewy update after watching your excellent review & now having ridden 2000km. The gearbox has gotten better & better, mainly to do with: 1, being worn in 2, my skills having improved The Pinion bike now my preferred bike despite being the heaviest (albeit with better weight distribution). My shifting on the regular SRAM equipped bike has improved as well.
I was out exploring during my 1st week of retirement on my Giant Defy drop-bar bike in Sept '21. I took a turn to find the tarmac soon ended to gravel. Instead of turning back, I carried on slipping & sliding on my treadless 25c tyres. It reminded me of when I had an S Works MTB with V-brakes that got nicked. I've since converted my hybrid with Hunt 700c carbon 30 Allroad wheels & 35c knobblies. It would have been cheaper to just buy a 3rd bike but I didn't want to make the space in my flat & the choice at the mo is poor here in Blighty. I can now ride again in peace & tranquillity! I've been reading up on MTB tech including gearboxes, Gates drives etc. I converted a drop-bar bike to low riser bars 25yrs ago, sawed off XT gear pods then bought 7sp Grip Shifts - they were brilliant! I soon got to love the ability to shift up or down several gears instantly. They went out of fashion many yrs ago which was such a pity. MTBs need to lose that hanging rear derailleur! Glad to see the return of grip shifters! Added: The amount of rotation of those shifters looks very high!
That intel of your's on the drive train's 20 points of engagement: pure gold! I always wondered why the test bike I rode had soooooo much empty travel... and tada: combined leeway in the drive train and hub. In combination with an Onyx style hub, that problem will definitely shrink, but it's still a design flaw of the system. I hope that this problem can be overcome, as Rohloff doesn't have such a problem either. Thx again!
I've always road grip-shift... mostly because early below bar "rapid fire" was sooo bad, slow, vague, and uncomfortable ...it took years before anybody took it seriously. we all switched from above bar to grip-shift cause it was better... if not for shimano's deep pockets below bar would have disappeared IMHO ...and you are correct!!! shifting under load is a terrible practice on any drivetrain ...excellent real world review !!!
Hey Steve, I recently switched to a new Ti hardtail equipped with a Pinion C.12 gearbox. I tested it on several pavement rides before taking it into my usual local trail. On my second trail ride, the gearbox partially seized as I was pedalling up a steep climb in a low gear. It was not a total seizure, what happened was that the pedaling resistance suddenly increased dramatically, in both directions. There were no other symptoms or possible causes - no hard knocks, visible oil leaks, roughness or any loud noises prior to that. Also, I would not consider myself a particularly powerful or heavy rider - just your average joe weekly rider a shade under 90 kilos (200lbs) fully geared up. Taking the belt off confirmed that the resistance was in the gearbox and not from any part of the drivetrain. The bike is now with a local dealer who is doing some investigative work with Pinion. Since I could find nothing on any forums regarding similar incidents, I am leaving this out here for anyone to chime in with any experiences or opinions. If and when this gets sorted, I'll post a follow up should anyone encounter anything similar.
Wow! Sorry to hear you are without a bike. That is very interesting and I wonder what the cause / issue actually is. I’m going to guess it’s something faulty as those boxes are over engineered for their application. Hoping they sort it quickly and without question. Please keep us posted as to what the issue turns out to be!
@@SteveGouldChewy Good news, I have my bike back, and it was not a fault of the gearbox. What happened was that the inner face of one of the crank arms had come into contact with the outboard face of the gearbox near the output shaft area. This was likely caused by an improper installation of the crank arm - firstly, after tightening the central crank screw, the crank arm then has to be "pulled outward as far as the stop", then the crank clamp bolts tightened. The pulling outward step wasn't performed by the mechanic during the install. I guess I was partially culpable in this, because i had brought it to an LBS whose mechanic had minimal experience with the Pinion (didn't have the Pinion sprocket tool on hand, went to a shop which did, and figured i might as well get them to put on the crank arms while at it.), and had kept quiet when I noticed that missing step, thinking it wouldn't be a big deal. Bottom line is - the installation steps in the owners' manual have to be performed to the letter!
Bob Williamson Yes! As you are supposed to. But you will still get caught out at times when you need to shift up a few cogs and find yourself pedalling a little too hard then ‘clunk’. You dont get that on the gearbox.
I've had one test ride on a Zerode and I agree with everything you say. I was also a biker and found I was naturally twisting the grip the wrong way. I didn't find a problem with changing gear going uphill, I was able to get the instantaneous pause and change gear within one pedal stroke, and I'm sure I'd get even slicker with practice. (Just like on a motorbike- blip the throttle and snick the gear lever) In some of the reviews so much is made of the fact that you can't change gear under load - what a load of BS. Having had the test ride and going back to derailleur this week, it has been amazing how the drawbacks of the derailleur really show up, especially here in the UK, where the derailleur is constantly clogged with grass, mud, leaves etc. I'm now awaiting a test ride on the Deviate Guide, before deciding which one to buy....
Thanks for chiming in bro! Glad you found it easy, took me a while, though I'm not the quickest learner for new stuff. Be interesting to see what you think of the deviate with the rear axle path. Zerode wins it for aesthetics IMO but it all comes down to the ride! Reviewing the Zerode Katipo 29er at the mo.....and it's a real weapon!
@@SteveGouldChewy I'll post up something after riding the Deviate. I should have said that I didn't just ride the Zerode around the bike shop, I took it for a full day and rode it on some of the most testing of our local trails. On the first section I was a complete chump, but I did get better very quickly. Best climbing and descending bike I've ridden. The lack of unsprung mass really shows through...
Hi Steve, I said I'd post after riding the Deviate. The good news is that everything I said about the gearbox remains the same, though I'd like to get your view on the 9 speed, if you have ridden one, as I feel 12 are probably too many gears for the type of up and down riding I normally do. There were some issues with the trial - although we did a decent ride, there was insufficient time to set up the bike properly and the suspension was all over the place, so I can't comment on the handling characteristics of the Deviate. What I can say is that their elevated chainline was not a problem, in fact it seemed really good at repelling dirt and was not noticeably draggy. I think this is a positive advantage over the Zerode, which seemed to gather a lot of crud on the tensioner pulleys. The twist grip was problematic on the test bike, I was told that they do need regular maintenance, which is not what I wanted to hear, so I'm intending to engineer my own mechanism when I get the bike.
Hi Steve, mainly for the benefit of anyone searching on Pinion or Deviate, I thought I'd update you on my situation. I bought the Deviate Guide, partly because of the high pivot point but mainly because the Deviate is better for avoiding mud getting on the chain. I specified a 9 speed C line gearbox. I am very happy indeed with the bike. It more than lives up to expectations and is way more capable than me. It'll climb anything and going downhill is just amazing, I got carbon wheels, so the rear end is super light. The gearbox is perfect, the 9 speed has a fabulous range and it's much easier to find the gear you need than the 12 speed. As a bonus it's lighter too. The downsides you mention are there, I wish I'd paid more attention to your comments about the flimsy gearchange cap, as mine disappeared on the first ride. I would recommend adding screws to anyone getting one. I've made a cap which fits much better and seals against dirt and moisture. I'm still in two minds about the gripshift and feel that a regular shifter would be better, as long as it could do three steps in one movement. Using the thumb rather than having to twist your whole hand would be more conducive to agressive riding. I'll be looking at re-engineering it when I get some time, but it's not a priority. The 20 p.o.e. problem is there, but it rarely shows up on the trail. When you look at the design, the only way I can think it could be improved is if they could somehow use sprag clutches instead of pawls. It would be a fundamental re-design. A final note for anyone that might be considering a Deviate - I'm sold on 29er's, so it was a problem for me that the Guide was a 27.5 design. Deviate helped me to choose the right front end so that the geometry would work and it has worked brilliantly as a Mullet. The bike inspires so much confidence.
Check out rev grips. They don't have a locking ring. They make a grip shift compatible grip. Freaking mint. Only took me 3 to 4 weeks to be super confident with the shifting on my zerode. No idea where you get the 3 months from. And the pinion video is perfect. Very simple to follow. No need for commentary. Its litrally like reading an instruction manual.
It’s a pity they are already cheapening things up. CINQ make a trigger shift for them. Also a review with Cavalerie’s Effigear gearbox would be awesome.
Chris Russ yeah it seems some parts like the cover are far worse though it may be a different ‘line’ of products. The magnesium casing certainly saves some weight and I heard the moulds to cast these cost 700k euros! Which may be why there is not much competition.
Not a matter of ‘can’. More a matter of economics. If people are already complaining of the cost, then how much more would a wireless option add to the cost - especially considering the cost of the R&D.
@@b-manz well, I think that anyone who wants to spend 3000€+ on a bike will most likely be willing to pay some premium of maybe 300€. People are even paying much more on shiny carbon parts.
gearboxes surley are the future. But like I have spammed in other videos about the Pinon Gearbox system it is way overbuilt for a bicycle. The cogs are the same width as fount on cars/motorcycles... They can do the whole system probably half or even a third the width of the system it is now. And then if they want they like introduce a clutch that engages when you start to change the gear. Another thing, they could do a gearbox that fit on normal bikes, placed above the bottombracket. I would buy the shit out of it then :D
I rode a 12 speed pinion gearbox on a Sick Headbanger Titanium hardtail for 3 days. Took some getting used to but afterwards I found I was better at shifting on a derailleur due to that pedal pause method. I session a lot of sections on my local trails and it was awesome to pedal up in an easy gear then, while stationary at the top of the section, crank it into the right gear and off you go! I noticed the drag, and on a hardtail you don't get the suspension advantage. I'd choose a gearbox over a derailleur if all things were equal... But I can't afford one!
Oliver Castling yeah took me three months of riding to get used to it and six months to get good at it. For the first month ( at least ) I was trying to google solutions for to rid my bike of the grip shift. Three days wont be enough. Its like trying to get good at riding and shifting on a MX bike in three days if you’ve never done it.
@@SteveGouldChewy honestly, I was comfortable with the shifting on 3 days and prefer it to a derailleur. Grip shift would need 3 months to grow on me though!
when it come to shifting on something different just treat it as a whole new beast. i grew up on a farm and i was taught how to drive the moment i could reach the pedals when i was old enough my old man taught me how to drive a truck i learnt in the first 10 mins its not like a land cruiser and it was a whole new beast and that's something that's stuck with me my whole life any time i drive something new even another land cruiser that's similar to mine i learn to drive that vehicle that land cruiser and not my land cruiser. that's what gets a lot of people that try a Pinion Gearbox they go in thinking it will perform like a derailer set when they should go in ready for something vastly different. but that's just my point of view.
I have been using Grip shift since it was grip shift. Now it is SRAM twisters. If I was going to di this system, I would go all the way with the Gates belt drive
@@SteveGouldChewy hopefully soon. Been holding off on getting a new mtb for awhile now. Still rocking a 2012 giant reign. I am a little sad that my next bike won't be a 26.
@@SteveGouldChewy I use to ride a 29er but just liked the 26 better. But yea I've tried some of the new bikes and damn do they got the geo down on the 29ers now.
Great analysis, it’s rare to find an informative user video and not just a promo clip for the product. I’m in the process for building a custom bikepacking frame for a pinion I got. Are you still happy with your Onyx hub? I’m thinking of going onyx + gates belt for the rig. Cheers!
Thanx a lot for this very informative video. I still don't agree with 2 aspects of the gearbox: - Maintenance : it's a chain, you still have to carry some grease, clean it, wash it etc... - protection : what about landing on a rock if the ground clearance is not enough ? Which happen a lot in MB Thanks in advance !
cracotator thx bro! Zerode now offer a belt drive version and a lot of the city bikes use belt drive also. I’d like to get the belt drive set so I can review it too. Not sure if you can see it in the intro but there is a small aluminium bash guard on mine which stops the front chainring from being damaged and also prevents the gearbox a bit. On the zerode website they have the file to 3D print a protective plate to stick to the box also.
Yes I think so. This would be good as an e-bike with solenoid shifting. If you look at Pinions testing process they use a solenoid ( electric ) shifter. But it’s too bulky for the normal MTB application
Thanks a lot, keeping hope, that maybe one day... Sad to see some promising manufacturers already resigned from pinion support and effigear has like 1 mtb brand - Cavaliere bikes and their price is far and beyond the budget
Great vid/subbed...Quick question, is the gearbox (both case and gears) made out of chromoly, stainless or aluminum? I'm curious of exact weight vs cassette/derailer. Aluminum would be a great but wear and tear may be too much over its lifetime. I'm guessing as the tech progresses the gearbox could be made out of titanium or carbon fiber(though that will be super expensive). I am curious to try it on my enduro bike. My bad I just heard you mention the case materials. Are the gears made of aluminum or magnesium? Thanks...
ScantyHorizon good point. Im sure it would work but it would add more cables, levers, moving parts and weight to solve an issue that doesn’t really exist once you get the hang of unweighting your pedal stroke / timing the shift. Cheers for chiming in bro.
well, i guess ill see if that 20 POE is a killer or not. here in Texas we got lots of up/down and techy climbs. hope that 18 degrees of dead zone doesnt make me regret my life choices. i cant stand my rear hub being any more than 3 degrees..
According to one report, a gearbox is 3% less efficient. In other words not a lot for most riders. If you are wanting to beat Nino it’s an issue. Otherwise, get over it! The noise in certain gears (especially 3 & 6) is why some riders think it’s draggy. It’s really not.
Dog House yeah I saw that too but it didn’t take into account the efficiency loss of a cassette in the top and lowest gears when the chain line is not straight. And efficiency loss only matters when you are pedalling. Thx for chiming in bro.
The chain tensioner is in a very unfortunate position right by the tyre to get covered in mud and crud. LoL. A belt and sliding rear drop out to tension would be far better.
Alex Morgan yeah it does get noisy too if its a dusty ride. I actually put a neoprene sock the latex glove fingers over the spring to keep the spring coils oiled and free of dust.
A sliding rear dropout would only work if the suspension pivot was centrally around the bottom bracket (giving negative pedalling influence on the suspension). Since on the Zerode it is not, it is placed in the chain line so that pedalling is separated from suspension forces, the chain does extend and contract a tiny amount. With a sliding dropout this would tension and slacken the chain/belt during suspension movement and create problems. The tensioner is critical and it is in a location which forces the chain to wrap more around the chainring - pretty much as a chain retainer and I’m certain it will be incredibly effective. I agree with you that you might need to clear the mud from the tensioner occasionally - a small price to pay in my opinion.
I totally agree. I’m also a moto guy and the moto / MX community seems to be a very well educated market, far more so than the MTB community. There is so many MX setup videos online and the access to information seems much more readily available. Cheers for chiming in.
By the way can the gearbox a good hit right where the bottom.... bracket? Is it still called a bottom bracket? Why dont they just called it a geard bottom bracket.?
It’s a magnesium housing on the newer boxes so prob not a huge collision. Zerode has a free download for the file to 3D print a protective plate for it 👌🏻
@@SteveGouldChewy you said so in the video, and those are valid points you make. However downhill I'd like to be stable and I want to be to use any grips/handles on the market. Also going from the experience of fixing my girlfriends citybike gripshifter I'll stay with triggers for that reason too. But as one commenter already noted, maybe pinion will have an electronic shifter, no cables, no gripshift, then it'll be interesting for me :)
Michael Kefeder You need to learn how to ride light with your hands. It makes you a better rider. I ride so light with my hands, that the grips are almost banging around inside my hand. Even on technical downhills.
Thx bro. Yes a test ride would be good as its an all in purchase. Once you compare the price of a new, high end frame + drivetrain then its about the same.
@@SteveGouldChewy wow! 11 Mons after my last comment I finally owned a zerode taniwha with the pinion gearbox dude this bike rips and I love the way that instant shift gear. But not sure about the random clunk noise while pedaling it only happens once in a while and only happen in between 5- 8 gears is that normal and part of break in period
@@SteveGouldChewy ok that could be the reason it making that noise I should of put some slack when I installed the cable shifter. And your right got to have extra cable wires cuz I messed up mine to lol.
Hi Steve. I've just ordered a new Taniwha Mulet. Due to Covid there's a delay in getting the 12spd pinion option. So Zerode offered me to change my spec to the the 9spd option, because it's available now. I live in high alpine terrain(Austria) so I'm a little unsure what to do. Do you have any helpful suggestions? cheers stefan
To be honest I’d probably either wait for the 12spd or perhaps, if you can source one from somewhere else, do that and get the bike without the gearbox.
I was asking myself the same question for my bikepacking-adventure bike. Went for the Pinion as the most logical place to put weight on the bike is around the BB. When going off-road you'll definitely notice a Rohloff weighing down the rear wheel. On the road however, I doubt there's much difference.
I'm assuming that you can't just buy a Pinion drivetrain and install it into any bike. I wish there were a list of frames that you could install them on. I'd love to have this on my 2019 Devinci Troy Carbon.
How easy it is to paddle with pinion and how steep climbs you can do? For example Sydney’s landscape is not flat and climbing roads on cliffs could be a challenge.
Very similar to a cassette. I actually prefer it for hilly riding as it shifts gears without delay so I find I shift more often to find the right gear.
great review. very detailed, and well explained, and did a nice job with showcasing what you talked about. I am going with traditional gears, cus I am not keen on the gearbox, cus of I want oval chainring to keep pain away, but I agree that gearbox would be better cus of the reasons you mention, but I am not keen on the play in the crank if backpedalling. I run 32T oval and will hopefully get a Box One Rd Xwide soon to use with 11-50T, hope it will be the perfect solution, and for bike I am going with Geometron G1, for fork I am not sure yet.
Thx for chiming in bro. There is a company now doing a conversion kit ( someone linked it in another comment ). It still has its restrictions. I also extensively searched options and didn’t find anything I thought would do the job and by then I was used to the grip shift to the point where I preferred it. You need to stick it out in my opinion and simply learn the different shift style. A bit like learning to shift an mx bike. Its strange at first.
Manuel Abella good question. I would say the granny ring ratio is equivalent to the sram eagle if you had a 30t front chainring, then with a much taller small gear. ( sram eagle has 500% range, pinion has 600% )
Patrick - a Pinion gearbox works exactly as a motorcycle gearbox, which neither really works well under (heavy) load. On a motorcycle you do in principle same thing; you drop the torque for a fraction of a sec to change gear. But as the rpm of an engine is quite much higher than our cadence, it will take slightly more time! :-)
@@bjogen1 there is constant mesh with semi automatic transmission. In lower CC bikes the clutch is integrated to the shift lever. If this is applied in this gearbox it would be flawless. (On the other hand today's pinion gearbox your clutch is your cadence for pros :) like driving a car not using the clutch pedal just perfect shift all the time and no grinding gears). Only problem with it is the price. Too expensive.
Check out the downloadable manual for the C-line gearbox. It has good instructions on doing the gear cables and installing the new DS2 shifter. Great to print out and have when working on your bike.
GGori 99 prob not for a race road bike. If you want an ultra reliable city bike or an adventure bike to go around Europe it would work but not for road or track racing. Gravity bikes is the best for the gearbox.
I used to have grip shift derailleurs on my bike, and it always annoyed me how sometimes when you manual, or absorb a hard landing, it would shift. Is this a problem with pinion?
The Slightly Hilly Rider 🤔 I set up my grip so I have 3 fingers on the static grip and my forefinger and thumb to shift, but, my forefinger covers the brake unless im shifting. That said, I ride motos a lot so im wondering if it’s something you’d have to adapt to? Good point, thx for chiming in.
@@SteveGouldChewy yeah, I think I'd want to test ride one a few times before making a decision. Great video though, cleared some things up for me! (Like how people are concerned about drag when backpedalling or pedalling, not freewheeling like I thought they were saying)
What I don't get is why not kill two birds with one stone and create a centrally mounted CVT gearbox. There is already hub mounted CVT transmissions so why not take the advantages of the Pinion gearbox placement and simply maje it a CVT. To me this would be the answer but although the tech has been around for decades no one is doing it. All these companies like Ceramic Speed with their non sensical drivetrain are pouring money and development trying to perfect designs that are less than ideal.
Dan K very true. Though I would think that CVT would be better suited to city type use. I think you would need cadence control for MTB / tech. Thats said, id have to try it. E-Gearbox is the future in my opinion.
Krushna Pathak Hey buddy. I should have mentioned these usually come with the bike as the frame has to be specifically designed to use this box. You cannot simply fit one to replace your derailleur and cassette.
can this pinion gear set/kit can be installed/used on my bike frame ? Is there a version that can be used that way even if I have to get a few parts specifically machined for that purpose ? ,Cheers & Thank You from the north end , Quebec =D
@@SteveGouldChewy dang !!! =} i'd be looking for a cruiser roadster style frame , city transport is what i'm workin on now , I now have my Porucho frame right here and searching for parts . I'm having a hard time finding a dual crown suspension fork that is not 200mm travel ,I want to have my e-bike to look like a motorcycle see .100-125mm travel and fully serviceable + ride adjustable quality suspension is what I aim for ,you know some ? ty for the reply btw cheers & ride safe ;-)
How does the Pinion 12 speed compare to the Rohloff 14 speed? Also, the Pinion is ~ 90% efficient, the Rohloff is 95% and a Cassette is ~ 97%.efficient. Finally, there IS a difference between applying pedal power to a GEARED crank and transmitting the result to the rear (Pinion), and pedaling the crank directly and transmitting this to the GEARED rear wheel.
Jakob W Thanks for chiming in bro. Those percentages are interesting though I would argue that a perfectly aligned single speed chain like on a race bmx may be 97% efficient but you certainly drop that efficiency when the chain is misaligned like on the outer sprockets of a 12 speed cassette. Be interesting to see the drop off for each cog out from the middle one.
Yeah it’s huge. I would say something like and adventure / bike packing bike would utilise the extra gears. I think 9 or 12 covers everything for DH to Trail 🤘🏻
Good question. Easy Answer. If you have a bike that uses rear suspension then a geared hub is not ideal as it adds unsprung mass which is terrible for suspension performance.
I recently changed to a belt since they released the kit for my bike and it’s fantastic. Some bikes you can’t split the rear triangle so they have to run a chain. Otherwise belt for sure 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Not really or in a way that better than the gripshift. I’ve seen it done with dual paddles ( kind of like a dropper post lever for each thumb ) so it’s still dual cable and a bit complicated. Effigear boxes have a big externals preload spring so it can use a sram shifter but pinion can’t.
@@SteveGouldChewy Yea the amount of nothingness that you pedal into before you actually put load on the transmission. I hope they will make it better for MTB stuff in the future. I love the idea of such a drivetrain but don't like that parts of it as it's problematic when doing techy low speed stuff.
I live in a garage yep! About the same as the top ( non electronic shift ) drivetrain from Shimano or SRAM but lasts way longer. Still expensive though, especially when the whole bike costs the same as my moto.......
Not strange, it's alot of presise machined moving parts assambled lots of material, engeneering, of course it will cost a lot, like a high end suspension fork or shock, it will cost you. But but if it's a basic bike, like rigid bike then it might be the most expensive thing on it.
Jump on Facebook and search Loose Riders India. They are my friends. I really don’t know about what bikes are available there. Im from Hong Kong and just review it. I dont make the bikes.
Great solution but this gripshit sucks. This is NOT about 'u have to used to'. This is unprecise, takes time, gives terrible sound, you ALWAYS have problem with glove. Solution for weekend bikers.
@@SteveGouldChewy Sorry, I was in a bad mood and should not have said anything. It was the music and opening graphics. I should have just skipped over it. Sorry.