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PISTONS MELTING EXPLAINED! 

Ben Alameda Racing
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PROBABLE CAUSES AND EXPLANATION. SOMETIMES THE EXHAUST SIDE WILL MELT AFTER THE INTAKE AND WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THESE AS WELL ON THE CAUSES. LEAN MIXTURE-HOT SPOTS-TOP RING PLACEMENT POSITION TOO HIGH AND POSSIBLE OTHERS...
COVER VIDEO IS OF HUEY & LEONA DEWITTS MUSTANG WHICH IS NOW PAINTED GOLD AND MUCH FASTER THAN HERE ON THE VIDEO.
NORMALLY ASPIRATED ENGINE WITH A SINGLE DOMINATOR WITH BLUE THUNDER HEADS WITH RAISED PLATED INTAKE PORTS!
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@79beans347
@79beans347 2 года назад
Good info, i just found your videos so im trying to get caught up watching them all but very very useful tips that im going to use to kick some butt 😜
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Thanks!
@mikasantos3774
@mikasantos3774 2 года назад
Back when I was younger in my mini stock Circle Track Racing days we used to use the Toyota 3tc Hemi engine in a Corolla we used to race against all the Ford Pintos and four cylinder Mustangs I have had that problem on one of my engines on cylinder number four so I tore the engine down got a replacement piston and I've rounded off all the sharp edges on the piston valve reliefs and I knew that my issue was an intake manifold distribution problem because only that one cylinder was leaner than the rest all the compression pressure was the same and there were no head porting allowed in that class i reassembled the engine and it ran for the next two seasons with no problems so in my case getting rid of the sharp edges helped to keep some of that detonation at Bay
@ramirodiaz4545
@ramirodiaz4545 2 года назад
Are you the same Santos "King of the 3TC". I used to work at Toysport in the late 90's.
@mikasantos3774
@mikasantos3774 2 года назад
@@ramirodiaz4545 I think u thinking of Santos Turbo from Florida but I have been in the game a long time as Well still luv those 3tc and 2tc engines got a bunch of them parts are plentiful now days and so is the better tech due to Santos turbo,PSI Racing and such guys
@johnbaker3549
@johnbaker3549 2 года назад
Great conversation about something I've noticed for years! Excellent, and Thanks.
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Thanks!
@AndryshakGarage
@AndryshakGarage Год назад
Love all your videos. Glad it's not all about LS motors. You mentioned a lot about light weight car's. What work's best for heavy truck's. I am restoring my grandfathers 95 f-250 and building a 351w/408 11.2:1 stroker. Don't stop making videos. I watch all of them. Multiple times.
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
408 will have enough power even on a truck! Keep that quench tight and lower gears out back will help keep it from detonating! Do you have a camshaft in mind already?
@AndryshakGarage
@AndryshakGarage Год назад
@@benalamedaracing2765 I just bought a Ford 9inch at the turkey rod run it has 410 gears. In the process of doing a crown Vic front end swap. I do not have a camshaft yet. Probably a custom grind from Anderson or Iskey cam.
@ronaldboothe3449
@ronaldboothe3449 7 месяцев назад
Great information, Ben. Thank you for your time.
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for supporting my channel Ronald.
@wayneireland4802
@wayneireland4802 2 года назад
Again thankyou mr alameda for sharing and teaching much appreciated thankyou. Peace
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Thanks!
@gregsidel3557
@gregsidel3557 Год назад
Thank you Ben for the information it is helpful.
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Thanks Greg!
@bobcuomo5122
@bobcuomo5122 2 года назад
Thank you for the video
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Thanks!
@trailerparkcryptoking5213
@trailerparkcryptoking5213 Год назад
Great info!
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@stevengrabowski667
@stevengrabowski667 2 года назад
Does this heat problem happen in all engines,or just in the way the head is made and the design of the piston? Can the temperature of the type of fuel cause some of this? Iam a chevy guy.iam 65 yrs old.I find your engine videos great!! THANK YOU
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 2 года назад
These things usually happen when we are making good power and the ignition and fuel are on the confused side with errors producing this conditions.
@reviveprofessionalconsulta9868
Experiencing this problem with an rb20. Trying ceramic coating to the pistons along with methanol injection to control heat concentration.
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Methanol plus coated pistons sides and top will give you excellent durability compared to any gasoline even E85 is superior! In fact the most on a stock block gasoline boosted power I max out below 600rwhp. With just E85 I have done over 630rwhp without any issue with the piston or bottom end. Also keeping the rpms well below what we run with gasoline will make it last long.
@davehaas6830
@davehaas6830 2 года назад
Great video explaining this issue thanks again
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Thanks!
@deanmoser5907
@deanmoser5907 2 года назад
Awesome Ben.
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Thanks!
@stuartwall8212
@stuartwall8212 Год назад
I have seen this happen to pistons in a crate 351 base stroker, where the piston edge would curl upwards until it contacted the bottom of the head and broke off. This engine had about 4,000 miles on it, and had many less than optimum conditions in it. The burn marks did not tell an obvious story, but a lean condition and heat had to be responsible for the deformation of the piston top. The engine you were showing looked like its demise was sooner and more violent. I can understand that on the intake stroke, the incoming mixture will reach speeds that make it stop using the short side radius, but what I cant understand is how the mixture can still have pockets of lean ness at the end of the compression stroke, many degrees after the intake valve was closed......I have to assume much of the mixture came in wet and the "lean" spot stayed "dry, " and there is not enough time for all the surfaces in the chamber to equalize in wetness or temperature before it is lit. There is so much I dont know.....so this is my best guess.
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Stuart, it is hard to equalize the mixture distribution all around the cylinders because of the momentum of the incoming charge column will slam and separate the A/F ratios all over the place! I will do a video further explaining this scenario to make it even more clearer. Tight quench will help distribute them but unfortunately the spark ignition flame already got going before it can self correct the rich/lean areas! Thanks for supporting my channel!
@stevenbelue5496
@stevenbelue5496 Год назад
Those pistons look like the top was ripped off, broken or busted not really melted. I see the peppering from detonation from the lean area you pointed out. But would you say the top ring butted from the extra heat from detonating and that was what ripped the top land off? Some of my first experience with detonation back in the 90s I had bad peppering pitting, burned plug and the ring land below the top ring had busted and pinched the second ring but the top was still intact, motor was loose and I always assumed the reason the top was intact was because it was so loose the rings didn't butt, and the reason the lower ring land busted was because it was loose and allowed more detonation pressure between the piston and wall pressing harder against the top ring.
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Most melted pistons always failed around the same general area of the intake relief closest to the cylinder wall. Before it happens when caught early you will see this area is rough like a sandpaper texture. Rings are rotating all the time and if the end butted together from not enough ring gap you are correct. However, it always fails at these same general location indicative of its lean conditions adjacent to the cylinder walls. Every time this fails the owners/builders tells me they had more than ample enough ring end gap, and the reason some builders fail to realize is the position of the top ring being a concern because what works for a ring pack that sits .250-.300+ will require a set ring gap and this same situation changes dramatically when the ring pack sits @ .150 sometimes even less! Then you have issues of heating with not enough material above the top ring making failures even more possible. Obtw, if the rings did butt together there will be an indication of cylinder wall scratches or wall damage and many times it does not anywhere and the top piston lifted up. Wall damage if not for some parts caught in between the cyl. wall and piston will show scratches and most of the time there is no such evidence of wall damage and the piston top is obviously gone! An indication of ring(s) far from butting together...
@jamest.5001
@jamest.5001 Год назад
I always wondered what would happen if the sparkplugs were moved to the intake side, having a small dimple between the valves, for the plug, this would keep the plug out of the flow path. It may make cold starting slightly tougher but seems ford's been that way anyway, most of my Chevy engines didn't even need a choke, I live in the foothills of NC, it gets cold here! Any opinions??
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
You do not want the sparkplug on the intake side because the prevailing spark burn front must start at the center of the cylinders where it is most effective. Besides most of the richer side of the chambers are closer to the exhaust valve more than the intake so we must burn these much earlier!
@evanarthur7535
@evanarthur7535 2 года назад
Does the deeper valve relief cut on the intake side of the piston make it weaker near the edge? Also, what are you thoughts on piston and valve thermal barrier coatings?
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 2 года назад
Evan, yes if it is too deep it will intersect the top ring groove and it will be a short day! Thermal barriers is always a plus for me and is good practice!
@Bbbbad724
@Bbbbad724 10 месяцев назад
Thank you, are inline valves the same?
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 10 месяцев назад
Yes it does...
@RAWRMotorsports
@RAWRMotorsports Год назад
What about quench on these LS heads with only 1 side of quench . Other side is like open chamber
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
It is ok because other cylinder heads have also one quench pad and it is a lot better than nothing! LS heads also exhibit above normal swirl and tumble characteristics so that helps big time!
@RAWRMotorsports
@RAWRMotorsports Год назад
@@benalamedaracing2765 thanks for the response BEN ! Im at 0 deck with 4cc dome pitons and 4.100 x .051 head gasket , thinking Im gonna get a 4" x .040 gasket set and redo my quench soon
@Mike-FoxsAbroad
@Mike-FoxsAbroad 2 года назад
My friend recently experienced this on his 347. We know it was going lean as he kept melting the plug on that cyl #8. He kept trying to remedy it but it eventually blew the head gasket. The ensuing teardown exposed that the piston had also took some punishment. Not really showing signs of melting but some peppering from debris likely from the spark plug getting eaten. It's an older stroker kit so its a 12 week wait for some custom replacement pistons. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qg7R7nJSSoI.html
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 2 года назад
When pistons hit like these with debris from spark plugs make sure to install the rings and rotate around the pistons making sure the ring lands are not caved in and sticking or stuck! Seen these things and people miss it altogether and it does not take much to push down and pinch the ring lands from debriss on top of the engine.
@carlking3964
@carlking3964 9 месяцев назад
THEIR IS A HANDFULL!!!! BY THE LAUNCH, FOLLOWED BY THAT MOAN, I'D BET BEN ALAMEDA HAS BEEN PLAYING AROUND WITH IT!!! 😉😁 SO.ILL. QUESTION BEN: YOU MADE THE PROBLEM VERY CLEAR. ARE YOU SAYING THE REMEDY IS MAKE SHURE YOUR RUNNING ON A TAD BIT RICH TO MAKE IT LIVE???? THATS WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THAT. SO.ILL.
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 9 месяцев назад
Yes you got it right wherein the excess fuels does contribute to cooling with "end gases" on the combustion chambers and pistons,
@ВасилийУткин-л4н
@ВасилийУткин-л4н 2 года назад
Thanks for video!
@benalamedaracing2765
@benalamedaracing2765 Год назад
Thanks!
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