Plagiarism and the Harvard President Resigns in Disgrace | My thoughts on the topic 

Also unimpressed after you actually meet and spend time with Harvard grads.

I truly enjoy Thomas Sowell. Hope you have or get a chance to read his book "Intellectuals and Society".

I must chime in when Sowell is mentioned. I read 3 of his books and have learned tremendously. It gives you tremendous guidance in how to think about society and even your own personal life.

@@craigmatthews4517I have read Basic Economics, Discrimination and Disparities, Housing Boom and Crash. I learned a great deal. Perhaps I will read the one you mentioned one day.

@hanh3000 Thanks for your reply. Good to know there are people who read more than what can be posted in these media comments. I like how his books are backed up by evidence.

We’ll see more coming out. It’s been rules for three not for me for a long time unfortunately.

Some people are held to land use, zoning, building codes, and tax laws. Others ? Nope.

I think this was the case since forever but people are having enough of it. We're done with mental gymnastics, guilt tripping and manipulations.

What do you mean by "rules for three"?

Sadly, this is just another example of the systemic rot that has become pervasive in our society today. We must take steps to expose this rot and reverse the behavior that allows it to exist & reinstall the values and behaviors that have 😊made this country great.

Well… Students become really powerful (Asian ones eg.) when they take Harvard to COURT AND WIN.

Some of the farm animals are more equal than others. That's the definition of "equity".

4 legs good, two legs bad. Sounds about right for these socialists that get paid millions. When I lived in the UK we called them champagne socialists.

I feel we need to address her color card in order to address her double standards. That's her only appeal. Also, I refuse to be silenced!!!

Students don't get kicked out for plagiarism. For one, at the student level, it happens very frequently. We scare students about being punished for it, but ultimately that serves as a motivator for students to learn how to avoid it, which is very hard because what constitutes plagiarism is not simple or cut-and-dried. But no university is going to kick a student out for plagiarism. Cynically, they don't want to lose the tuition money and in many cases it is just that simple.

Yep. Diversity hire at its finest....

It should surprise no one.

She's their best.

Why is that crazy? DEI supports the hiring of inferior candidates because they have superior skin color.

Which tells you the truth of it

For 900k a year!

It just goes to show you that the systemic rot at Harvard still exists and no one's doing anything to remove it.

I'm sure people knew they just ignored it as a form of equity.

What any of you going to do about it?

They'll also just replace her post with someone who is just as bad.

​@@dereksbooksor even worse

The fact that she even is still employed at Harvard shows you the systemic rot that still exists at HARVARD.

Where are they going to get the money? 😂

Well…. 😂✨😂✨ Looking for and finding the TALENTED ones would make it diverse

Once you realize "dieversity" just means no Whites, all this makes sense. She got exactly what she asked for.

Often that IS what's meant by diverse.

Fact omitted: you eavesdropped on the basketball coach.

Stop lying

Amen!

I am a professor, and I agree. On top of having published very little, she only published complete rubbish on this racists stuff in rubbish journals.

@@donaldist7321 I am a post-doc and I agree with the assessment that she was completely unqualified for the job. Heck, I have more papers than her in better journals and maybe also more citations. But some of (!!) the "plagiarism" appears to be overblown. If one cites the source and just fails to reword the writing this is not nearly the same as failing to cite sources and just copying text with the intention to make it seem as it is your own. Rewriting text can itself also be problematic because: 1. Rewriting with your own words what was already written also always changes the meaning a little bit. If A cites from B who cited from C who cited from D and so on this may over time have completely changed the original idea. 2. There is also always the risk that an author not fully understands the original idea that was presented. So if the text is not fully changed this increases the chance that another author citing from that work does understand the idea correctly again. Obviously, in the ideal case you try to always cite the original first author of an idea and you have literal citations (in quotation marks) to cite something literally. However, in practice some times the original work may not be accessible or citing with quotation marks may be completely uncommon in your field to the point where no one does it. If we set standards that are that strict almost everyone can be found to be guilty of something. This only will result in an environment in which basically anyone can be removed from any position if the need should arise. And this is not an environment in which free academia can flourish.

@@vampir753Just stop. Everyone can read the clearly highlighted plagiarized passages in the original reports for themselves.

Do you feel that the faculty’s academic work needs to be squeezed through the pasta rolling machine on the thinnest of the settings?

Gay got her karmic comeuppance for suspending Roland Fryer, the best black professor at Harvard (and among the best regardless of race). She did so because he is on the polar opposite side of the DEI fence. He's fully against it. Fryer was investigated for a bogus SA charge (according to other females familiar with both Fryer and the accuser). The investigation found no basis for disciplinary action, and only recommended "sensitivity training". But Gay decided to try and get his tenure revoked. When that failed, she suspended him.

I'm from Europe and always regarded Harvard as the pinnacle of academia. But little by little, starting with those extension cash grab programs I started to change my opinion. I'm sorry for people who worked extremely hard, sacrificed their youth and went into a lot of debt to study there. If I were born in USA I would have tried to do that as well, 100%.

Harvard is only a show that rich stupid people buy into for "networking".

harvard has been a clownshow for 10+ years

Moral victories are important.

@@jaybee9269 I agree. However, this is not a victory for anyone but her. Rewarding what she's done is not a victory for any kind of goodness.

Not at Harvard. Ivy League degree now a joke

​@pete3445 Yes, Ivy league degrees have been greatly devalued. But make no mistake, plagiarist students are routinely expelled from Harvard to this day. Unless you have sufficient DEI value, you are likely packing your bags.

D.E.I. is a Trojan Horse for resuscitated Marxian cultism. Racism is just one skin suit that the cultists wear when it benefits them. But it goes way, way beyond that.

How dare you have the nerve to mention that.

In her fanaticism, Claudine Gay booted Roland Fryer (a real academic who is Black) from Harvard specifically because she couldn't tolerate his academic work.

Did you see the local scandal about how non-colored people were NOT invited to the municipal holiday party (Philadelphia? Not sure). The truth came out when the email went to ALL employees 🫢🫢with invitations but later was recalled from the non-colored 🫣🫣🫣🫣 recipients

wow 4 replies, but only one visible. Dumbtube is really suppressing us 😑

He is rendering his opinions.

He is rendering his opinions.

He is rendering his opinions.

He is rendering his opinions.

This sadly may be correct.

Surely some were aware. It is impossible that nobody saw it, even the original authors were so afraid of the "R" word that they kept it zipped. I would be utterly amazed if a white person (male, hetero) had gotten away with it for 20 years like the Mantis did...

My source is I made it the f*ck up.

She was an affirmative action student from day one. Wealthy, but, i bet, with scholarships due the melanin in her skin. And from there on it was cruising, where she would be “judged”, first of all, by the color of her skin and “not by the content of [her] character”. Shame on her. A thousand-time shame on the institutions that propped and promoted her at the cost of truly deserving candidates, irrelevant of their skin color.

Since she obtained her degree from Harvard I more than strongly suspect that.

Her parents were Haitian but financially well off. She attended the best private academies and prestigious undergraduate schools in Princeton and Stanford. Then graduate school in Harvard in Political Science.

@@donpietruk1517Trust me…that doesn’t matter. All that mattered was that she is a black woman…. I say this as a black woman…

That’s right. She is not lone, having fooled brilliant minds. She is in the swamp of ideological mediocrity. At least 700 of them who signed the letter in defense of her presidency

Lazy, unscrupulous and incompetent as adjectives for scholar… 😂🤣😂🤣😂👏👏👏

Yuri Bezmenov was right.

Yuri was correct in the same way a broken clock is.

I think plagiarism is more prevalent than one would acknowledge. In Vinay's own field, "science," it is a chronic problem. It is now an open secret that most of the so-called journal articles published in prestigious journals have been ghost written. It was also alleged that Dr. Fauci does steal people's work, during his tenure at the prestigious CDC. I am against plagiarism. However, if an investigation were to be done today on all faculty members, across US universities, one would be surprised at the number of persons who would be guilty of the same. Not a fan of Claudine Gay, but as one who has worked at the university level, I am cognizant of the high level of hypocrisy that exists at that level.

Lol it happens all of the time.

What is going on at harvard demonstrates the systemic Rot in all of our society today.😢

I agree. I wouldn’t assume she plagiarized banal text out of laziness when it could be a lack of literary or overall intellectual incompetence. I think the people tasked with selecting Gay as Harvard’s president are a greater and more interesting concern than Gay herself. Wouldn’t checking for plagiarism be one of their obvious due diligence duties? Plagiarism exposes her poor character, lack of intellectual development and accomplishment, and is a widespread problem in academia that has caused great harm and embarrassment to many scholars and institutions. So the most interesting questions to me are: Did the hiring committee review her work for plagiarism? Did they discover it? If so, was she chosen anyway? Why? Did DEI or other political, ideological, financial or other reasons supersede hiring a qualified president and Harvard’s reputation? If she was hired despite awareness of her plagiarism, did they or others above the hirers (i.e., wealthy donors, WEF/other elites pushing NWO, DEI etc) direct that decision? Checking for plagiarism is such an obvious step in selecting a Harvard president that I can’t believe they overlooked it. I can’t even assume that it wasn’t discovered. There are far, far, far too many examples of politics outweighing all else in today’s western culture and institutions to think otherwise. It is most definitely rampant in the US.

Students and some faculty UNDOUBTEDLY read the papers. But, in a world where pollution is offset by race obsession you can not criticize a well pigmented fast rising administrator due to a control file.... If in doubt take a look through Serge Lange's more controversial papers. The whole idea is that (moral) function will follow (racial) form.

Students and some faculty UNDOUBTEDLY read the papers. But, in a world where pollution is offset by race obsession you can not criticize a well pigmented fast rising administrator due to a control file.... If in doubt take a look through Serge Lange's more controversial papers. The whole idea is that (moral) function will follow (racial) form.

Students and some faculty UNDOUBTEDLY read the papers. But, in a world where pollution is offset by race obsession you can not criticize a well pigmented fast rising administrator due to a control file.... If in doubt take a look through Serge Lange's more controversial papers. The whole idea is that (moral) function will follow (racial) form.

Students and some faculty UNDOUBTEDLY read the papers. But, in a world where pollution is offset by race obsession you can not criticize a well pigmented fast rising administrator due to a control file.... If in doubt take a look through Serge Lange's more controversial papers. The whole idea is that (moral) function will follow (racial) form.

Diversity of thought is valuable. Combined with NOT knowing race, sex, economic status is extremely valuable. Intelligent folks from different backgrounds have amazing insights. STOP LOOKING AT IMMUTABLE CHARACTERISTICS

I don't want DEI piloting my plane please. Thank you. 😉

​@@dereksbooksFlying has never been safer

@@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 For how long? What about surgeons? Would you rather a person chosen because they're a certain colour operate on you, or because they're the best person for the job?

@alunjones3860 Every year, the (ICAO) releases its global safety report. In its most recent iteration, findings showed that in 2022, the aviation industry saw a nearly 10% decrease in accidents compared to 2020-furthermore, fatalities resulting from aircraft accidents dropped by over 65%. Interestingly, these numbers have fallen despite the number of scheduled flights increasing. The ICAO attributes the improvements in safety to the safety commitments shared across the industry. In fact - the trend across many years of aviation is that today, flying is safer than ever. Every year, the (ICAO) releases its global safety report. In its most recent iteration, findings showed that in 2022, the aviation industry saw a nearly 10% decrease in accidents compared to 2020-furthermore, fatalities resulting from aircraft accidents dropped by over 65%. Interestingly, these numbers have fallen despite the number of scheduled flights increasing. The ICAO attributes the improvements in safety to the safety commitments shared across the industry. In fact - the trend across many years of aviation is that today, flying is safer than ever.

And isn't that THE problem? That she got this far, (for SOME reason) while being a regognized plagiarist?! And a minimally published one at that!

So what if it was politics, a barnacle was removed and now it has exposed all those who would look the other way of it suits their agenda. I don't care if the antisemitism was what brought her undone, or if it was happy coincidence, she had no business being in that position.

Justice for Roland Fryer !

It's fascinating to me that she plagarized acknowledgements.

However, the plagiarism is objective evidence that D.E.I. frequently results in unqualified and unethical people in positions of power.

It may be the least fascinating, however it is the most revealing(& important) as it exposes the nature of this woman and the systemic rot within Harvard and those who hired and accended this women to any position but especially its pinnacle leadership role as president of the university.

@__-xq9gp ehh. Plagarism was just a blunt tool. The real issues at play are too spicy to even mention.

I am not sure he knows obvious things though. Hence, why he can't see the obvious parallel between his Stanford cutout and the Harvard cutout.

DEI and A/A helped majority white women so don’t be surprised when some of us are surprised a woman of color benefited from it.

This cute professor had to have been burnt by someone else’s plagiarism. Good for her. And good for you to have been exposed to the demands and challenges of academic writing . 🧠🔍🤓🔬📚💪👩🏻‍🎓

Lesbeeun and blat.

The real disgrace goes to the people who hired her.

The fact that she also refused to acknowledge the hypocrisy of the American government on geopolitical issues is insane.

Quite like medicine when they lied about the Covid vaccine.

Exactly! I ended up not being able to even take advantage of the newly-opened extension school in my hometown, but I do know that the admissions standards were equal to those for the main campus in Ann Arbor.

I'm a self admitted degenerate and cheating never even cross my mind.

Don’t be sad. Get mad. And catch them.

Yup. I’m currently a student at a community college, and the amount of cheating going on is absolutely batshit insane. Last semester, I took a history class online wherein we had to write a historical analysis of something. I chose a rather obscure topic to analyze (because I wanted my work to be as unique as possible), and my prof was very impressed with my work. In that same class, the prof had to send out a class-wide email stating, “I have already caught several of you blatantly plagiarizing your work… if any of these issues show up on your final submission, you will get an F and be referred to the Dean per our college’s plagiarism policies.” Plus, a lot of my peers are using ChatGPT and Grammarly to write their shit for them, which is also considered academic dishonesty. And don’t get me started on how many people have been using Chegg and other apps on their phone to solve math equations for them on take-home exams.

But … did you smell the stench?

The issue isnt about commonality, no question about this.. but mastery..

This wins the Internet today.

I know how this feels on the other end to have your work taken without being given credit. There was a writer I respected. She wrote for the popular press and so did I. I had recommended her books to people. I remember seeing her interviewed and the interviewer was praising her and asking her how she could keep up with her schedule at her age with all the conferences and writing a new book every other month. She just laughed and took the compliment. I was excited to buy one of her books that was new that month of the interview. I also wondered how she could write so many books so quickly. Then, in her new book, I began reading words I recognized. One paragraph, two paragraphs, three paragraphs and more. I recognized those words well, because they were my words. I could hardly believe what I was seeing. I got the book off my shelf I had written just a couple of years before, and there were my exact words in her book, word for word, paragraph after paragraph. She never asked me for permission to use my work, and never gave me credit. She had copied far beyond what is allowed even when a writer obtains proper permission and gives the author proper credit for directly quoting them. This author with sticky fingers had a significant following, her own publishing company and she is lauded to this day as so smart, talented and wise. Maybe she got tired, greedy or she just got lazy and found out she could get away with it, and her followers who were so in awe of her would never notice. So, that was how she was publishing book after book so quickly at her age. She was literally copying and pasting significant amounts of other people's work as her own. That is common thievery. I wrote her publishing company, but she died just a few months later, so I never received a response. She is held in high esteem by many of her followers to this day. They have no clue, or if they do, they don't care.

....and those people should feel robbed by her. If she hasn't an original thought in her head and used others thoughts as her own, then she's not fit for office.

@@anneteller3128 wow! What a devastating blow from someone you looked up to, and then discovered a darker reality 😞

And …. Harvard is still a private entity, no matter how academic

The comparison is almost offensive

Well, it will take a lot more time for AI to investigate because any Harvard professor in the university's history wrote and published infinitely more than Claudine Gay did in a quarter-century.