Plaid Doors Disappoint Sandy | Tesla Plaid Teardown 

Talking to a camera isn't easy , but can be self thought indeed , he's doing great 👍

Haha! Yeah who would have thought a car would be so complicated????

Most assembly lines run at 50 to 60 seconds per process. building 800 to 1,000 cars per day.

that door is designed that way to keep the side strong during an impact.

From what you are saying I would assume this part is near original to your version and earlier and didn’t get upgraded it’s the new edition?

Trade!

5 year old windows taking a shit? Tesla quality strikes again

@@mattbrew11 To be fair, there really isn't a car company that makes things without any errors, rather have a window fail after 5 years than a car caching fire though, so it's still in the minor errors.

@@-JustHuman- u say that like teslas dont burn

Do you think that a modular can be made to make that easier?

I've only ever replaced a window motor once, every other time (estimated 50) it has been the cables in the regulator. The cables can be cut in this case.

Vehicle manufacturers do not care about serviceability. The dealership looks after that.

You are correct, serviceability is now a lower priority. One reason is the disposable, planned obsolesence nature of consumer goods. (Why vehicles that used to be capital goods became disposable consumer goods is another conversation.) The second reason is that the reliability of the motor/regulator has improved so much that it outlasts the rest of the car. But everything breaks down eventually, so some serviceability should still be considered.

@@bohicajohnson7203 Tesla runs their own dealerships & service centers though

As one of those buyers, *Thanks Sandy!* 👍🤓

he acknowledged us bumper sticker buyers in a prior video also.

I hope he continues every time he mentions sabic

He only did it because people got angry. He did not do it because he appreciates it. The only true appreciation went to Sabic. I will never ever support them again!

Don’t forget they ‘promised’ to send parts to bumper sticker buyers…I heard buy in this episode.

Didn't they say that this was a rear door?

@@Clearphish No, it's a front door.

The sticker on the door panel says (LF) Left Front, but at 23:45 sandy says this is a back window. I am not sure why they would not have had the complete assembly, being door and glass when doing their talk. Probably just sandy misspeaking again.

@@sammaimas155 Listening to this section, I think he was referring to the earlier Plaid video where he complained about the rear seat comfort compared to the front seat.

@@sammaimas155 it was the front door, he just misspoke

Well, things like this may make it a low volume vehicle, the demand for more is there.

I wonder if theres no chance the door could have been two pieces and welded after the cables were put inside?

@@markgritzan2841 yeah lol the average Plaid buyer is totally going to be like "you know what, this door makes the workers take too long to assemble. it's a dealbreaker."

Lol….. they could have simply used the model3 or y modules it’s. It that hard!!!!!

@@materia79 since the door has to be painted before assembly that wouldn't be an option.

They still do it that way "because that's how you build doors"; pure inertia, inflexibility and mental rigidness. Just like the car industry wanted to keep on building petroleum gassers, and would have until the end of time (or end of humanity, whichever comes first) if we'd only let them. You see it with car manufacturers sticking to joining stamped metal pieces for their chassis and bodies "because that's how you build cars", or well, it's how we've built them since what, the 1950s? Long enough so that generations of product designers have grown up knowing this tech and gotten mired in it; meanwhile Tesla is transitioning towards large metal castings in critical places instead, while the rest of the industry pooh-poohs that idea by and large except for a few Chinese manufacturers and one other. In the west, only Volvo Cars has made moves to start using megacastings for future models to my knowledge, but this may be only because they're majority owned by Geely. :P There's inherent rigidity and inflexibility all over the established car industry - hell, like there is in any industry really. It's a human fallacy; it's system wide in our civilization and we're the cause of it. Eastman-Kodak wiped themselves out as a major corporation SEEING the digital photography revolution coming towards them, and even participated in it - they held major digital sensor patents and other IP, and still they managed to kill themselves. Absolutely fantastic, isn't it? ;)

Oh no - I was going to take on the door rebuilds on my 1980. This gives me pause. ☹️

@@SolveFixBuild Just wait until you replace the window gaskets. Lots of hand--applied silicone glue between floppy rubber strips and metal. I have nightmares. Do yourself a favor and pull the door fully off the car. It will help. Don't get me wrong... it can be done. Just *REALLY* fiddly. Those corner air vents have to be inserted "sideways / externally", and hooked through the window hole at the top. Fed around internal support brackets, then rotated vertically. Then you "flex" the rigid metal channel and gently pry the door pocket open a bit to get it near it's final position. THEN you "clamp" the triangular metal frame into the corner, tuck in the rubber gaskets, and screw it down.

I've got a 4X4 Blazer with an electric window on the tailgate. It's working still, but goes up and down incredibly slow. It will make a door job seem so easy a caveman could do it.

@@knutjob3835 spray a bunch of silicone spray down the window tracks. If you think you have sprayed enough, spray a little more. Once you have enough silicone in the tracks the window will glide up and down again....... usually.

Glad you enjoyed it

I made the assumption they put the speaker in last. Then it would seem easy to do all that assembly through the big speaker hole. But that's just how I'd do it. Maybe I'm not understanding something.

Manufacturing Engineer / Quality Program Manager here. Cost / benefit analysis by Industrial Engineering and Finance won after review of limited savings on current projected volume. Design change funding was not approved.

Bean counter here.... we rules! Now all engineers and CEO can go to hell!

This is why only stupid people buy Plaids. $130,000 car and no budget to improve the car. Why Taycan is the better car, it's built wonderfully, it's truly a better car aside from a 0-60 "look at me" time.

@InternetDude Uh, there was just a huge fire on a ship hauling Taycans, it looks like a battery fire started it and destroyed all of the vehicles on the ship. From what I've heard there may be an issue with their 800v charging system overcharging batteries. Not exactly a sterling example at the moment.

@@InternetDude there’s a difference between quality and manufacturability. Just because it’s hard to build doesn’t mean it performs worse for the customer…

Also think of all the thought and planning that all mfgs have to do to source all these parts, get everything and all suppliers to work together, make sure that the door will work with the body itself and then all the logistics to make sure all these parts show up on the assembly line all at the right time, etc. Its simply amazing how high the quality is on vehicles, and this goes for all manufacturers. These are extremely complicated products and I think it's great you're showing the common citizen just a taste of the thought and effort that went into getting them a vehicle

My thoughts, I know that from Audi: Doors are seperated from their body, assembled and brought back to the line at a very late point in the process. As an added benefit, this way the doors are not in the way during final assembly. No way, these doors are assembled on the car!

Same with assembly lines at BMW.

yeah, and Honda usually (or always?) uses the old classic Design. There has to be a reason for it. I personally fixed the "better" designed modular vw doors, because they always had leaking issues. go figure..

Are you talking about Mk4 Golf and Jettas ? I think I've opened door cards on those and from memory, they still had the same old design. My e46 BMW is also the same and is a complete PITA to do anything in there.

​@@trizvanov Golf evolved into modular door design in 1997 with the MkIV. Audi went the same route in 1994.

@@GTO33 I've had a MkIV Jetta and a Golf-based Audi A3 of the same era. I could've sworn the front doors don't have those large openings. My memory must've been fading...

"the door" is several welded "panels". It's simple to build sound dampening into a separate panel.

This right here sums it all up lmao! im done

The door is perfectly fine. Nothing in this world is perfect

The Model S was designed a decade ago. This is probably the same door they’ve used all along. I’d expect it to be made modular when they do a major redesign of the entire car, though given all the other stuff they are currently working on, it could be a while.

@@cybrtnk What have you summed-up?

@@johnrosner8964 perfectly fine for the customer but is a nightmare in production.

haha tesla paid for the teardown

Yea. It took me a moment on that one. Thought Tesla paid for the tear down!

Whoops.

Tesla should be paying lol, lucky for them munro have a business model and demand for these tear down without tesla help. FREE INSPECTION!!

Sandy was MAD :-)

I'm betting this is essentially a continuation of the outdated nine year old 2012 Model S door design. It's too bad because they obviously discovered the benefits of an insert with the Y. This looks like a nightmare for line workers.

@@GabeJE It looks like "no worse than other manufacturers" for line workers. As mentioned elsewhere, it's probably a common skin from the older design, low volume, sunk cost in machinery?

@@GabeJE I did some research online and it appears this same Plaid design is still used on S and similar X design. It also appears some Model 3's with sub assemble one-piece doors are rattling due to loose wire harness rubbing against the doors inside trim panel. An easy fix is taking off the door panel and using molding tape to affix the loose wire harness to the inside trim panel or adding insulation to the trim panel.

Team leader. Happens all the time.

I know exactly how you feel, and the sad part is that people cannot even step aside for the greater good. It's a sad world our children are growing up in.

A sad story, indeed

I think in this specific case, it simply wasn't re-designed for the Model S refresh, seems like these doors are almot identical to original 2012 Model S. Maybe they'll change it over time! It seems the refresh came with a bunch of old parts that are being changed out later, headlights and tailights being the most obvious I think. :) Hope to see them re-design it in the future to be more like the 3/Y design.

I was one of the engineers who would evaluate line employees' suggestions at a GM plant in the 80's. There was a monetary award to the employee for any savings that could be documented. A couple of times my analysis said that implementing the suggestion would avoid significant costs. Not so much today because of the tooling changes required. Tooling changed with model years - not when it made sense. So this became a cost avoidance "not savings" according to the award rules. So after a few of those, the number of suggestions and our (the engineers') desire to evaluate suggestions sank. The only idea I had first hand knowledge of actually getting approved with a monetary award was by a manager who suggested that instead of buying $100 mechanical stop watches for timing operations we switch to $20 digital stop watches.

I worked for Miller Brewing Co here in SoCa which had a suggestion program. I would put in two or three suggestions a month but never got one implemented for about a year when I got a letter stating I had won the monthly with a suggestion I had submitted over several months ago. Then I got a letter at the end of the year stating I had won the Yearly, couldn't figure what took them so long. I was too bad they took so long to implement the suggestion as I was the maintenance engineer on the keg filling machine and over the year must have cost the company thousands in damage kegs.

Plaid model S is a low volume car, not design for high volume, like model Y is .

Soon most all cars will be made in China, and they work 7 days a week.

@@LeesReviews69 - TESLA will invent Whole body Megacasting, and Destroy LEGACY auto.

@@markplott4820 Still on the "megacasting"? Single question. How do you produce a "megacasting" with good enough finish for paint on exposed outside surfaces? Go away and ponder that. (Note the castings used so far all have steel panels as "cladding" which are then painted. Can't do that on the roof beams.

@@rogerstarkey5390 - you are a DUMMY. Megacasting is for the car structure, not body panels . In the GigaAustin model Y, only underbody Megacasting is used, and still uses a stapmed battery tray. the panels are conventional stamped in a multi layer Design, using blended steel. in the TESLA patent the car will be a small compact vehicle made in ONE shot, including roof rails, this can be CHEMICALLY treated and smoothed in POST production. as well as clad with other metals in POST. you, are an absolute FOOL.

Haha that gave me a chuckle too

That's a poor excuse!

Makes me wonder if tsla employees qho work on the desighn watch this ? And try to implement betterments from this

@@Mr2winners Peter Rawlinson moved onto Lucid...

this among other reasons could speak for this design. like retrofit, already ready tooling and assembly lines. low volume vehicle i bet this door speakers sound way better than the Y design they do not want to redesign this over and over since it's all redundant design anywawy as everything goes "cyber" ? xD

Exactly what I was wondering. The inner panel isn't visible in the assembled car, so all of them can be white. It may be very difficult to weld the door pieces together with all the assemblies on it, but maybe Tesla managed something clever. Or they used advanced bonding materials.

it looks like that but there are no walking points? maybe it is glued and like you say the hole is just for maintenance and not for assembling?

Most likely not for painted metal.

I think this in not possible. You would see the weld spots and painting afterwards would be a mess.

both doors are from tesla one is the latest model y, and the white is the model S Plaid. So there would be no new testing

@@davidanalyst671 Side impact testing is on the vehicle, not the door. Can't just swap a door from a different car and say it is tested.

And it certainly seems like all of that structure must be about side impact to begin with.

@@patreekotime4578 it’s not, that stuff is thin and flimsy and not core to the crash worthiness. There is a major beam in the door for crash worthiness.

He hated the Model 3 when he first saw the tear down. The Cybertruck reveal was the first time he was genuinely impressed with Tesla even though many of his first reactions to it were not at all accurate. Then as Tesla dramatically improved with the Model Y he became a diehard fan. This video just shows that he is still not a fan of old Tesla manufacturing techniques as this vehicle is essentially a throwback despite some tweaks.

Model S in 2021 sold less than 10k. so they only need to focus on NVH, does not matter if it's hard to assemble, as more Human workers are needed on Mod S line who can fainess parts better than a robot can, mod 3/Y use more robots than humans and Design is better suited for mass production.

That's a poor excuse!

@@gmv0553 It is, but that's the same as any of these super high end cars. They only sell a few each year, so complexity of manufacturing and maintenance isn't really a concern. Think about how hard it is to remove an engine from a Ferrari or to replace some trim panels on a Bentley. The buyer doesn't mind paying a lot more for the car and either they get bored with it in a year or they have six other cars and don't mind it being in the shop for a month. On the Model 3/Y where it isn't a toy and the labor multiple is 10-20X, it makes sense to redesign and retool, but on a low run car, the return on investment simply isn't there. The Plaid's design budget went to power and NVH since you need to be really well off to drop 150K on one of these rockets.

Which car was it!? From which year!? Lol…

Most of the crash protection is in a cross member piece. The metal of the door does almost nothing in a crash.

There's too little humour in the other comments, thank you!

Irrelevant

U don’t compare with the worst - u compare with the best

@@rogerstarkey5390 how is it irrelevant!? Honestly explain why, because Mercedes’ simply offers way more features than tesla and I want to see the door assembly.

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I’m betting it was ego.

A lot of "Not invented here".

Sandy covered this in a later video of the Model Y teardown video (E30): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WrkUhOxfFIY.html

and if its somoene else doing the assembly, you might be paying them a mark up to buy all the parts. Its not at simple as Sandy makes it out to be.

@@opfreakx7661 agreed!

The design applied should not be dependent on the tools you are going to use.... (productivity on design in stead of tooling)

@@chrisvanzadel6944 Back to hand built cars?

@@chrisvanzadel6944 Why not! Everyone uses Phillips head bolts. How tool dependant is that?

@@dnomyarnostaw If there were no screws needed the tool would be rededundant. "A tool with a tool will be a tool"

@@chrisvanzadel6944 The fact is, that EVERY design is not just Tool dependant, but Supplier Dependant, Legal Requirements Dependant and Economic Principle Dependant. There is no such thing as "unfettered" design, and no point in being ridiculously reductionist in either design or construction.

Or maybe they just used better speakers….. lol!!

@@carholic-sz3qv The speakers look the same. Just a better enclosure, mounting and angle.

The 3/Y is doing the right thing. Those are the big volume vehicles.

Glad you enjoyed it!

My thoughts too

Same occurred to me as well.

My guess is it will happen in the next major redesign of the S and X.

That's a poor excuse!

@@gmv0553 would you pay more for a plaid if the door was built different?

They could do it in two pieces. Mount everything except the speaker to a board, then the speaker directly to the door. Just need a hole on the board big enough for the speaker mounts.

do you actually need the entire cavity to be metal, or would one solid corner (where the speaker is currently mounted) suffice? the rest can be done via a plastic module, for an easy assembly process.

@@kam_iko The Speaker Baffle Housing should be One Solid Piece for the Lowest Resonance properties. I am sure they have opted for the most efficient Solution.

This is a legacy door from the old Model S, definitely not made this way for acoustics. They could still drastically improve the design like the Model Y and still mount the speaker separately. Tons of room for improvement while maintaining acoustics.

Exactly! As a Plaid owner I am much happy to have this type of door design over the model Y. They should have covered the positives of having this style of door instead of talking it down due to a longer and harder build process for Tesla. I’m glad these guys don’t make cars because they have trouble seeing all the angles.

This door appears to be monocoque. Better crash protection, added rigitity for weight below in floor of vehicle when latched?

He told you "what the objective is" Bench tested before it gets the the line (LESS chance of failure) Fast assembly on the line. . "The best process is no process" Quote from Elon trumps "part" in this case. "The audio system driver performance"? Build the box into the sub assembly. "Better permanent vapour barrier"? Exactly where is that installed? If it's inside the frame, much more difficult in the stick build. If it's over the finished door, zero difference. "Extra parts for failure". Installing a loom on the line, essentially untested = more points of potential failure. If it's tested after door assembly and has an issue, much more difficult to put right "High stiffness"? Certainly more weight, but the Y is one of the safest cars on the market, and supposedly *very* stiff (about to get more so) . In short, you were absolutely saying his statement was wrong...... He's right (just imo, of course, but I'll side with the experts)

@@Tothefloor "You're glad these guys don't make cars"? What the hell do you think they were doing before forming/ joining this company? Ridiculous comment.

How many cars have I observed water damage from failed vapor barriers... Too many to count. Huge money maker down the road for BMW and Volkswagon.

Wow you really don't understand how a car is made LOL!!

Also, for Superior NVH.

Relative to what? The Y? The module that holds the window regulators etc isn't really part of the crash structure. The side impact beam is still part of the welded structure of the door. You can see it at 1:25 in the video when he has the module out.

@@markplott4820 What is NVH? ..noise, vibration and harshness? Yea, those two were at the top of my mind too: side impact resistant and I was thinking possibly a better speaker box.

@@GiesbertNijhuis - a drop in door modules is a better idea, but will require better NVH added. but, makes the door easier to service if needed. a better speaker can be built in , inc the enclosure, EZ to upgrade speaker to a PREMIUM model.

Model S is a low volume vehicle. There needs to be a certain amount of volume to make a change profitable. This may have not met that threshold. And there may have been other considerations such as noise or strength. It's interesting, but not a serious issue.

@@donm2255 Because of this door its a low volume product. Because currently you can't buy it in Europe anymore due to high demand. You can only pre-order a Model S and X now. Without any information given on when you can expect one. LOW VOLUME my ASSSSSSSS. Low production you mean, not low demand.

I can imagine that there is already a new design for the doors. They are just emptying the bin.

Maybe Tesla was just scamming the customers with the "fancy" noise cancellation lol….

Maybe you need to get your "story" straight? Is it one plaid. Two plaids, or a Porsche?

@@rogerstarkey5390 Think he meant two plaid shirts and a horse.

@@rogerstarkey5390 I have a 992 C2S and a Plaid. I sold my first Plaid in December due to a vibration issue that Tesla could not fix on the car.

@@carholic-sz3qv I think he didn't do his research and missed them.