airport* There! There's still several months for the 2nd one to begin operating. FTFY Also.. There are 2 runways. But since they are not parallel, yes.. Only one at a time.
Only someone that's in and out of therapy would jump to that over such a nothing burger of a comment. Tell us more about your therapy. Hope it's going well. @@ethabn4
@@jamescollier3 I'm not an expert when it comes to planes/airport safety, hell I barely know anything... but I'm still pretty sure that what happened in the first clip still should not have happened. Guess safety was a secondary concern where ever the hell that happened.
"So when you are ready I have a number for you to call..." - It doesn't look to be pilot error and the reports say an ATC Officer has been suspended from duty..
@@agate_jcg I bow to your better knowledge if you know exactly how the 'chain of command' works, but one or other must have priority and I suspect it's ATC. Almost certainly it was an ATC error that created the situation and the pilot wasn't left with many options.
@@davidf6326 The pilot is ultimately responsible for the safety of their passengers, full stop. They should have cancelled the landing long before they got that close. Of course ATC are also at fault for clearing them to land.
I’m surprised jet blast and/or wake turbulence didn’t affect the aircraft landing in the first clip. I bet the pilot landing the aircraft had a “code brown” in his shorts while landing.
Don´t think jet blast is a problem for such a big plane at such big distance. Power drops off fast with range. And for wake turbulence to be created the AC needs to be airborn (made by lift induced drag) and by that point the other AC is already on the ground. If it was a light crosswind maybe they felt it a bit after landing when the vortices travel down.
Jet blast is not that impacting between mid size planes and wake turbulence only starts forming while the plane is airborne. At that time the Indigo was on the ground already. Still very dangerous in case the approach had to be aborted they would have been extremely close.
Passengers in the front plane: Wow. Pilot is in a hurry today Passangers in the rear plane: Wow. This guy used his heavy foot on the brakes Both pilots : 😱😨😰
Ok so I have a story for you guys... today I was flying student solo at a non towered airport, I just turned on final approach in a 172, someone was on the active, but close to getting off, then, out of nowhere, someone in a piper Seminole took the runway to take off. I think he said he was taking off but im not entirely sure. I announced a go around, held my altitude and 60kts. The Seminole and the 172 on the ground had maybe 20 feet of vertical separation between them and it looked like the Seminole had to take off at a really slow speed to clear the 172. They got yelled at multiple times on the runway by the 172 on the ground, rightfully so, but they never acknowledged it on the radio. Some people just don't deserve their wings
It's amazing to see the flight computers banging in those adjustments so quick. I remember when the Ferrari 355 was released in 1994, it was the first semi-automatic ferrari gearbox that could change more quickly & effectively than a human. Nowadays all high performance cars come with autoboxes, imagine trying to put down 700 horsepower in an Audi RS6 even with Quattro and T/C - the autobox handles it much better than humans. Same with the automation on the autopilots on a modern airliner, it can pump up and down the flappy bits many times more effectively than a human being. Amazing :)
that first one...god damn. the tower control messed up that one. and the 2nd one...man that pilot got mad skills handling that plane with those crosswinds
If the comments are taken literally, it seems people are unaware that ATC is responsible for keeping separation between aircraft. The pilot also has the option to abort the landing. The fact that there was no accident doesn't make it okay. Aircraft movements are far more structured and regulated than driving a car or crossing the street. Given visibility wasn't an issue, this pilot landing was taking an unnecessary risk.
Where do you get this? Minimum requirements for this situation is 6000 feet and the first aircraft to have lifted off. The airplane was airborne. So that was fine. The 6000 feet is hard to judge from the camera angle. It was likely fine.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183it’s 6000 feet at threshold of runway. You get get a fair idea of separation from the time… = way less than 6000. More importantly, there’s a DA and the approaching aircraft would be able to see clearly that there would be a high likelihood that this separation would not be met, regardless of whether they had clearance, a go-around at DA before threshold was the only safe option.
3 seconds separation at 130 (approximately) knots is no more than 1000 ft. If I’m really conservative I’ll give then 1500 feet separation. Ignorance alone can defend that as as legitimately safe commercial aviation.
Interesting first clip, fairly dangerous situation but i noticed the landing aircraft did not actually touchdown until the other aircraft had departed and left the runway.
If this might push fares to Mumbai down to the point I can afford them, I might well! 🇬🇧🛫☁🛬🇮🇳👍 What's the chance of getting an arrival « _En traffique_ » like the one we see here, do you think? 😨🎢😋
The demanding role of air traffic controllers. • Mumbai airport is one of the busiest airport with high traffic density. • On a single runway RW27 at the airport, there are around 46 arrivals and departures per hour. • Air Traffic Controllers (ATCs) are allowed to clear up to two arrivals and two departures within three minutes, subject to acceptable limits of safety. • Also, the separation minima between two aircraft can be reduced if the visibility is good. • In this particular case that happened on Saturday at the Mumbai airport, the visibility was good and there was no air prox situation with respect to the landing IndiGo flight and the taking off Air India flight. This may be a "wow" moment for outlookers but those who perform this safety critical task daily comes under part of their duty for which they are rigorously trained. • The ATC has the discretion to allow arrival and departure within a few minutes on the same runway, especially in high density airports. • ATCs are under significant pressure when there is high density traffic at airports. • The DGCA probe will be looking at whether all norms were followed by the ATC as well as the pilots concerned. Had there been a safety risk for landing, the pilot himself would have initiated a Go-Around. Media trials put extra stress on working controllers, as the nature of job itself comes with risk at every clearance which is done under acceptable limits of safety. We hope with this atleast some more awareness will come in people at large about why ATC is called one of the most stressful job in the world.
There was a pretty big thread on r/aviation about that first one, and it gets a bit heated. That incoming plane should have waved off well before that, but both would have needed to make some nonstandard departure maneuvers, like both going to opposite sides to get some separation.
@@n666eobut…what about Deciscion Altitude? What was the pilot thinking not going around during this point in final? DA is where pilots must decide whether to continue or execute a missed approach based on visual cues or instrument indications (an aircraft on the runway is such a cue). This occurs before runway threshold. Crossing the threshold with another aircraft still on the runway is not “legal” as you put it. Nothing to do with when the aircraft touches down. It’s essential procedure. It’s a definite no for landing way before they cross the threshold. Also consider separation. For cat 3 aircraft it’s 6000 ft. This separation is way shorter. No room to do anything safe if need to execute a TO abort or missed approach go-around. Yes, radio comms but where’s the redundancy in that?
@@kevinfairclough4619 DA is not for aircraft on the runway unless it's not predicted. Pretty sure the aircraft on final knew about the plane taking off from ATC. You're right about the 6000ft separation, but it's not CAT 3.
0:23min you can clearly see in the frames that the first airplane was airborne when the second landed - so technically the runway was not occupied atm. 🤣
I love this channel. I don't mean to be overly critical. In my opinion though, the text captions really break up the continuity and the suspense of the videos. It's like if someone always told you what was about to happen in a movie. It's more fun to realize it in real time.
@@AEMoreira81 Thank you for that! It answered a question I wanted the answer to, but didn’t ask. Also, my comment was a bit of a joke: At the EAA AirVenture airshow each year, the main runway is painted with colored dots and general aviation arrivals are assigned to different color dots. This looked far more dangerous, yet similar, so I thought I’d get a couple of likes from pilots who have flown into that airshow. But only two likes so far, so there must not be that many Oshkosh alumns here.
if i was that first pilot i think id have given the tower a number to call after bringing me in that close to another plane on the runway, that wake must have been quite a fight
The pilot had 2 options: A) Assume the plane in front takes off, and complete the landing, but you risk a ground collision. B) Assume the plane in front doesn’t take off and abort the landing, but you risk flying too close behind the other plane and a potential air collision.
Imagine a time when airports would be so busy that every other flight is landing at the same time another flight is taking off on the same runway, just like the first clip!
Sadly the separation is getting smaller and smaller, as airports are overloaded with more and more flights but there's no magic number. It's all very risky and on the limit at busy airports.
2:35 Oh boy, I sure do love an internal cockpit view. It sure is nice being able to watch aviation clips after getting bullied at school all day. I sure do hope this video doesn't remind me of that in some way
I saw many comments that the second plane should have done a go-around. Its true, but then much, much earlier. It seem to be good visibility, so they should have seen that there were another aircraft on the runway much earlier. If they would have done a go-around during the time we see this clip, it would have been extremely dangerous, as they could have collided with the departing aircraft on the way up.
Let me explain, the first was from mumbai airport, it has only one activate runway but is also one of the buisest airport in the world, usually there is 1 takeoff and 1 landing happening every 2 mins so the pilots of the plane approaching mumbai know that there is a very short window between take off and landing and they thought it was usual. the plane that was cleared for take off took longer time than usual that's when both plane got too close to one another
I suspect the foreshortening of the telephoto lens makes the separation of the aircraft seem much closer than it was. The landing plane touches down just as the other one is lifting off. The touch down happens about 10 seconds after crossing the runway threshold, and the takeoff probably happens about 6500-7000 feet down the runway from the same point. My guess is the minimum separation between them was around 4000-4500 feet. If this were the US, FAA rules would require that the landing aircraft should not cross the runway threshold before the departing aircraft has lifted off and (where distance can be read by markers) the distance between them should be at least 6000 feet. So basically the landing happened about 10 seconds early compared to what the FAA allows and ate up about 1/3 the minimum required time and distance between the aircraft. That's bad but, well, the FAA rules are pretty scary, too. I think European rules have a wider margin of safety, but I'm not sure.
The first clip happened in Mumbai's Airport. Other flights are doing the freakin' same. I have been watching this land and takeoff on live from another youtuber who was recording The planes arriving and leaving..
If the other aircraft is departing and has crossed the runway departure threshold, separation is guaranteed and another aircraft may land. Again, however, exceptions apply: 1) 3,000 Feet of Separation: Category I aircraft landing behind Category I or II. 2) 4,500 Feet of Separation: Category II aircraft landing behind Category I or II 3) 6,000 Feet of Separation: When either is a category III aircraft.
Please note All pilots. In a move long overdue the aviation industry is working hard to ensure that no pilot is subject to abuse and gets called a “Retard” prior to touchdown.
