@@KalRandom It sounds kinda like this hypothosis IS a rethinking. It is definitely an out of the box explanation to say that we have a black hole and not a conventional planet out there. I agree with Hank, whether this proves to be right or wrong it may get people to rethink the conventional wisdoms that they have on the topic.
@@veggiet2009 The guys that put up the first hypothesis said 40k year orbit, now it's a 15k orbit. I have seen orbital periods all over the board. I'm just tired of guess work that sounds like there putting up every theory in the book on a dart board, and throwing a dart to see what will we release next. Heck before you know it Zecharia Sitchin fantasy theory will be next "up for per review".
Haven't looked at the paper, but it is a decent enough idea. Primordial black holes are a legit possibility, and if they exist then it is possible our solar system could have grabbed one. The bit about it being surrounded by dark matter is also a legit idea already in the literature, but it is a bit more wishful imo. That's because if primordial black holes exist then it seems likely that they simply *are* dark matter themselves, so there wouldn't be any other dark matter to self-annihilate into gamma rays. Which is sad for this scenario, because it would mean that this tiny black hole was basically impossible to observe.
Cracked Emerald Not quite. Anything with less mass than say, a person, can’t maintain its size, and will quickly evaporate... By the way, did I mention that the smaller it gets, the faster this goes? and it can go from Nickel mass to 0 in a fraction of a second? ...and that it converts almost all that mass into energy, which in the case of a nickel, is 0.005kg x 9 x 10^16 = more energy than was released by both Atomic bombs dropped on Japan?
looks like we got a humor hipster here. hey guys, check out how sophisticated this guy is, he thinks anything old and mainstream can't be funny, isn't he a trendsetter? not only that he has to put down other people making harmless comments because they aren't as hip and cool as he is. what a real fine example of the human species.
Space is so big that that'd be really hard. The width he describes (9cm) would be referring to its event horizon, so running into that in an orbit way past Neptune would be a hell of a lotto to lose.
Don't worry, you're more likely to die from a stray bullet, a violent assault, car accident or even a tiny meteorite hitting your house before having any kind of interaction with this theoretical PBH. Hope this helps you sleep better! xoxo
4:29 The star is getting wrecked by a black hole...just tearing the stuffing out, wearing out the warranty, just going to town, riding it hard and putting it away wet
Scientists: There might be a tiny black hole in our solar system instead of a ninth planet. No, our paper hasn’t been peer reviewed yet. Everyone: *press X to doubt* In all seriousness, there is a non-zero chance of this hypothesis being correct and I won’t deny that. Can’t wait until we figure out what’s really going on with those orbits :)
The only reason blackholes, dark matter and dark energy exist is because theoretical physicists needed extra energy to explain the movements of galaxies, they are constrained with gravity being the strongest force in the universe. On the other hand plasma cosmology already has explanations of observed phenomenon because they regard electricity as the strongest force, a force technically trillions of times stronger than gravity. The safire project has experimental evidence for the electric model of stars, theoretical physics using the standard model have no experimental evidence. when it comes to black holes they have basically divided a huge number by zero and are constantly dumbfounded by new observations already predicted by the electric model!
Elwyn R yeah except the CMB is an observable thing, not explainable by plasma cosmology, which means the Big Bang must have happened, which means Einstein’s theory of general relativity is accurate, which means the conclusion of black holes must be, too. Same for dark matter. There are several explanations for dark energy but the term is a blanket term for all of them. We’ve seen and studied black holes. Therefore current plasma cosmology theories must be wrong.
@@adamcawa The theory/hypothesis of the big bang has been questioned by many astrophysicists. For example. Halton Arp’s paper “Companion Galaxies on the Ends of Spiral Arms” was submitted to the prestigious Astrophysical Journal. The paper shows an active spiral galaxy NGC 7603 with its companion attached by a bridge of matter to a spiral arm. The redshift of the larger galaxy is 8,700 km/sec and the smaller, 17,000 km/sec. According to the redshift-distance equation, the companion galaxy should be a far-distant background object with no possible connection to NGC 7603. Since then, two small quasars with far more discordant redshifts have been found in the bridge. And in another celebrated instance, a supposedly distant quasar has been found in front of an opaque, much nearer galaxy. So if Arp and others are right and the Big Bang is dead, the simplest answer as to what the Cosmic Microwave Background signifies is that it represents the natural microwave radiation from electric current filaments in interstellar plasma local to the Sun. Radio astronomers have mapped the interstellar hydrogen filaments by using longer wavelength receivers. The dense thicket formed by those filaments produces a perfect fog of microwave radiation-as if we were located inside a microwave oven. Instead of the Cosmic Microwave Background, it is the Interstellar Microwave Background. That makes sense of the fact that the CMB is too smooth to account for the lumpiness of galaxies and galactic clusters in the universe. So, in reality, there is no temperature fluctuation from the earliest days of the universe. There is no CMB and there is no anti-gravity accelerating matter in the distant cosmos to almost the speed of light. Birkeland currents flowing through plasma in mega-parsec filaments ignite the stars and form spinning galactic pinwheels as far out as our instruments can see. The widely lauded "photograph" of a black hole exactly resembles a plasmoid, something expected in an electric universe. The Electric Universe theory does not rely on unseen and undetectable matter whose existence can only be inferred. It does not violate its own gravitational cosmology by inventing an anti-gravity force so that galactic acceleration can be explained. Instead, EU theory states that what we see in the universe is what we get. The electric currents flowing through ionized gas and dust provide the energy for the stars and present themselves in straightforward and understandable ways without resorting to arcane sophistry
Imagine if the 9th planet/blackhole at the edge of our solar system was a wormhole that leads to the capital of a galactic civilization. Left for us so we could join them when we and our technology has evolved enough to be seen as worthy.
Yes tom, imagine that! And imagine how disappointed they will be when... ...we never arrive, because let's be honest, our chances of getting through the next century are slim to none, if not the madness of our world leaders and the war they seem to want, if not for the relentless push for ever more resources, that we are destroying our own home, if not for the synthetic intelligence we are developing which could end us all too easily... ...something else will likely get us and it's a pretty good bet, itll be our fault. It's fun to imagine things, yet some things are more believable than others.
Will we ever figure out nuclear fusion? Will we ever create a rocket engine that uses fusion for propulsion? If the answer to those is yes, then we'll definitely visit this thing. The only reason Hank says we won't is because he's either unduly pessimistic about our technological progress, or has never given it a modicum of thought.
Those things are already in the peer reviewed theoretical physics literature, both separately and together. The new contribution of this paper is just to suggest that such a thing could be planet 9.
@@ninjafruitchilled I support investigating the idea. But both dark matter and primordial black holes are hypotheses. Doesn't matter how many peer review it passes. Its science when it's proven by observation. Now please don't say that "Dark matter" has been observed. We just observed some phenomenon and hypothesized that "There must be unseen matter . . .". Unless we confirm it with observation, its just a hypothesis.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 Theoretical physics is still science. Nothing wrong with it. Of course no-one can claim to know whether this or that theory is correct until we get good observational evidence for it.
I am wondering since a number of orbits are perturbed. Why can't a massive object come close enough to our solar system, but kept on sailing by, to actually have done this as well?
@@sgodsellify According to the simulations, going from ramdomly distributed orbits to the observed bias takes time, a single perturbation event (such as a massive object passing by) won't be enough.
@@sgodsellify it is dominated by the suns gravity, and far enough away that it does not disturb the orbits of the neptune and closer. If it was more massive, would wreck havoc.
If I remember correctly it would still take trillions of years since it would be absorbing tiny bits of solar wind and interstellar crap faster than it would be shedding virtual particle pairs, i guess it’s always in the minimum of trillions since it would take that long for everything to be so spread out from each other that even little flecks of solar winds would be rare anywhere you were
Kidney Stone Thats only for large black holes, if I remember correctly small black holes less than the mass of jupiter or so have a runaway decay effect, releasing progressively more and more hawking radiation until it just essentially explodes
I may have some outdated information. I'll have to make some time to dig deeper. But, yeah, so far as I can recall, they imtake at a higher rate than the expell.
If this hypothesis is indeed true, then we can finally confirm that the group of scientists known as "Soundgarden" have been right for years about a 'Black Hole Sun' lololol
@@Brahmdagh It's a bit of sarcasm. Soundgarden were an American rock band that came out in the early 1990s. Their biggest hit was a song called Black Hole Sun.
I propose it's all the dinosaurs blown out into space 65 million years ago that clumped together and now they're causing gravitational havoc in the kuiper belt. If I write a paper on this maybe sci show space will do a video on it
This sounds like the exact same nonsense they came out with when trying to explain why Pluto is so small, cause many were expecting it to be the size of Neptune. If the observations dont fit your hypothesis then turn your hypothesis up to potato?
@@galenrichter41 The first thing, a black hole in our system to explain the models which predict planet IX. Theres been papers which show whenever you consider the masses of all the small objects that alone can explain their orbits, as most modelers normal forget about small object masses, since their masses are so negligible.
if they are able to gain more evidence supporting the existence of this primordial black hole it could open new doors to time travel and research of singularity
I lose my TV remote so often I tied a massive 12 ft rope to it, and my living room is pretty small. Finding a black hole that size that far away... eh. just a little harder. IF YOU FIND IT TIE A ROPE TO IT!
Lucid Moses right now it has the same possibility of being true as Planet 9, only we actually have something to look for besides visible light making it infinitely more searchable. Plus the opportunity to study primordial black holes, including the pesky matter of whether they exist or not, is too great to pass up.
PaJeezy i was thinking the same. Found a calculator online. 9 cm Hole would generate 9.69955E-20 watts. To radiate about 70W or a traditional lightbulb, it needs to be 0.004 nm in diameters or about 3 trillion ton. www.vttoth.com/CMS/physics-notes/311-hawking-radiation-calculator
@@reamie Another way to look at it is its theoretical temperature, and according to the formula in the Wikipedia article (and this is the sort of thing that I am confident W. is accurate about), it would only have a temperature of 1-4 milliKelvin, so not even as hot as the 3 Kelvin background from the Big Bang. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation#Emission_process
Oof. One could only hope that if intelligent life more advanced than we are now would have seen it coming and figured out a ticket out of there long before things got really dicey.
my theory for planet 9 is that it is the core of the star that exploded and fed our solar system with the elements, would explain where all the heavy elements e.g gold etc came from
I predicted a small black hole on Yahoo months before the science guys publicly proclaimed its possibility. I didn't know that primordial BHs existed, so I said it could be a stellar BH that existed much further away from us, but it makes sense to me when you have a gravity well that can't be found.
I am not a math wizard, in fact I'm not even close, but I do like to think I understand singularities, at least a little. Gravity is our weakest force but exponential & has the longest reach. For a lump of mass to gravitationally collapse into a black hole/singularity, it has to Have enough mass for there to be enough gravity to do so, otherwise it would just evaporate, like the micro black holes created in the Large Hadron Collider. I do not believe in these "Small" black holes. They are just a quirk of math (when was the last time you saw a negative amount of anything, which is a math standard).
the peer-review process exist for a reason and it seems to me that nothing good has ever come of spreading news about papers that haven't been through the peer-review process yet
im starting to think dark matter and black holes may actually be one in the same. Its definitely a stretch, but it would make sense, as we know about dark matter because of its gravitational effects, black holes are also known for this. Another similarity being the near impossibleness of imaging a black hole by itself, due to it being literally absorbing all light. my hypothesis is that most of what we call dark matter may be numerous "primordial" black holes. Thoughts?
If you believe me,I’ll tell you something .I live on Mars,and the temperature there is lower than -20degrees.And the thing you say in the video are totally different than ours.A black hole isn’t called a black hole in Mars,instead it is called an ’Eateral space’.You got to trust me,we’re living on the same solar system ,but in different planets.If one day I could get a chance to go to earth,I would be thankful ❤
A near black hole would be great. We could do a lot of research and development around one, but traveling to a distant BH will be impossible for another thousand years. Let’s hope this idea turns out to be true.
Planet 9: Hey! I'm a mysterious planet! Don't call me a black hole! Scientist: oh snap! We thought that planet 9 is a black hole! Planet 9: Don't get a wrong idea! Stop being so dificult! Scientist 2: oh okay then....
Light can go around the earth 7 times in 1 second. The time it takes for light to reach our closest neighborhood star is over 4 years. This thing is over dozens of billions of years away. When the light we are seeing from it now originated, our sun didnt exist yet
I remember back in the 80s and 90s hearing about a potential "Planet X". And then I heard that the idea of Planet X was largely debunked. And now that Pluto is no longer a planet, I've been hearing about Planet 9. Is Planet 9 just a renumbered Planet X, or is this something somehow significantly different?
If you're talking about Nibiru then it was a supposed 10th planet that would collide with Earth, but there is no evidence for something like that. The proposed Planet 9 would have an orbit far beyond Neptune which would be why we never managed to detect it. It was hypothesized because certain far away objects had orbits that were aligned with each other in a way that is improbable to have happened on its own, so some researchers hypothesized that there might be a planet that influences them gravitationally.
@@tomshraderd4915 Nope, not talking about Niburu. This was a proposed tenth planet beyond Pluto that was proposed to explain some discrepancies in Neptune's orbit. This was supposedly debunked when ...one of the Voyagers, I forget which... determined that Neptune was more massive than thought, which supposedly explained the discrepancies. But a lot of what I hear about the properties of Planet Nine sound an awful like the properties of Planet X.
I'm on a proper keyboard now, so I can type better (was on my phone for the last reply). What I remember from "Planet X" from back in the 80s was it was hypothesized to be an object several times more massive than the Earth (but less massive than the gas giants) significantly farther out of Pluto's orbit and, most memorably, on an angle that was 30-ish degrees off the ecliptic plane. But as I said, that was supposedly debunked when Voyager discovered Neptune was more massive than previously expected. Except now we are looking for Planet Nine (or a black hole) that is... several times more massive than the Earth but less massive than the gas giants, on an orbit farther out than Pluto's, and possibly in an orbit that could be 30-ish degrees off the ecliptic plane. Maybe I'm misunderstanding Planet Nine, or maybe I'm mis-remembering Planet X, but to me, they sound an awful lot alike. But there could be something fundamentally different about them that I'm not aware of.
@@JasonCorfman Planet X was hypothesized by Percival Lowell because he thought Uranus' orbital wobble couldn't be explained by Neptune alone because he didn't do his math right. Clyde Tombaugh claimed Pluto was Planet X, but other scientists cast increased doubt on this when Pluto kept turning out to be too small to affect another planet's orbit. When Voyager 2 came to Neptune, it remeasured its mass, and when the correct mass was plugged into Lowell's equation, the discrepancies in Uranus' orbit disappeared. Planet X does not exist. That "Tenth Planet" was Eris before the dwarf planet classification was established. Some researchers have proposed a Mars-sized object between Neptune and Planet Nine, but this is not well-supported.
Considering such a black hole’s ergosphere is essentially a gravity assist on steroids, it could become crucial for interstellar missions in the future. If it’s proven to be true, anyway,
Honestly it's unfortunate that it's probably not true could you imagine how much we could learn from having one so close and not be an immediate danger?
The description of the star going around the black hole (ASASSN--19bt) makes me think of the Hanna-Barbera swirling star logo following the end of the cartoon credits.
@@mencken8 Speculation... is the forming of a theory or conjecture, without firm evidence. Hypothesis... is a proposed explination based on limited evidence, requiring further investigation. Hypotheses & Speculations... both attempt to form theories or explinations, neither of which have firm or adequate evidence to support their claims. So yes... they both mean the same thing, which is why they are synonyms.
"The paper hasn't gone through peer review yet" Somehow I don't think it ever will. I expect science news, not quackery. Please use peer reviewed sources in future.
If scientists/engineers dismissed anything that was outside of the conventional way of thinking as "quackery" the same way as you, we would never have had any advancements in technology or knowledge. Probably why youre the one watching videos rather than making discoveries.
@@REIDAE No, James is right. There's a wide gulf between "unconventional" and "quackery" and this hypothesis falls in the latter. Astronomers are just as capable of "unconventional" thinking as the rest of us. Fortunately, they know when to keep the craziest ideas to themselves.
I do wonder though, if this blackhole is this small (lets say, 10 earth mases), then, won't we be able to detect some levels of hawking radiation from the general area we expect this 9th planet to be in? According to a calculator i found online, a black hole that size would generate photons with a wavelength of about 1.79m, around the high energy radio waves band. I have no intuition as to how dim it would be to our radio antenas, but considering it's theoretically this close to us, won't it be at least somewhat detectable?
the wavelength doesn't really matter, we have detectors that can go as low as 30 hz that has wavelength of about 10,000km. what matters is the intensity of the signal.
Cringe Gaming 64 there’s no way we could see this primordial black hole, according to the video it’s 9 cm in length but has the mass of 15 earths, you’d never get close enough to see it before being ripped apart.
Cringe Gaming 64 no, like I said, nothing could be close enough to see it without getting destroyed in an instant, and even if you could, you cannot “see” a black hole, as they don’t allow light to escape. Jupiter is close to being as massive as this black hole so we can use it to compare. Imagine the size of Jupiter, if you go to it’s surface you experience the normal gravity of a planet of that mass. Now turn it into a black hole and it will be around 9cm across like mentioned in the video, you are still standing at the original surface of Jupiter which means you are now about 6000km from the black hole but still experiencing 11 times earth gravity due to its mass, that alone is enough to crush you and you will be so far away from the tiny black hole that you will have no idea what’s happening, the tidal forces will only get stronger as you get closer.
What type of elements and matter are black holes theorized to be made up of? What is the most dense type of matter we have observed on earth? Is there an observed difference in this matter's gravity? Is there a limit to how dense matter can be? Where the atoms can no longer get closer together. Doesn't this type of pressure generally create a lot of heat? If so, can we observe the heat generated from this compression? What type of structure and temperate are the atoms theorized to create in order to be stable? Since I was young I have always just had this overall idea of what a black hole was supposed to be and never asked these questions. Which I think are really important to understand how black holes fit into our current understanding of physics .
it just impossible, because according to Einstein theory of relativity, the smallest black hole at least have 5 solar masses, imagine an object with mass 5 times of our Sun in the edge of our Solar System, it will tear apart every planet orbit and Earth will become a rogue planet without parent star.
Well it may explain the Fermi paradox I mean if you were exploring various solar systems and you detected a potentially dangerous gravitational anomaly wouldn't you give the place a pass too?
If we did have a tiny black hole that would be SUPER LUCKY! We could in theory use it as a limitless power supply. Imagine a Dyson sphere but much smaller and compact. Basically another power supply for a future space colony.
