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@gotyor 8 месяцев назад

As trained engineers or anybody on music production you may really hear the difference in music in atmos and marvel at it. For the 99% of non-musical idiots that consume music will not pick up any of this unless you point it out to them and say can you hear how thats over there and this is back here. And then they are like "oh yeah". So it all pountless. Unless your a company selling the picks and shovels that makes and reproduces this stuff to make money. it just a waste. Now for fx, dialog in movie and games its critical, but for music it is not.

@vangeliskritikos8326 8 месяцев назад

Avid garbage….pro tools…Sibelius…..crap.

@jerrymckenzie1858 8 месяцев назад

I don't hate Atmos. I've never even heard it. I just hate that it's being forced on the industry as an needlessly complex answer to a question that no one is asking.

@2011Rollsroyce 8 месяцев назад

I think in my "Personal Opinion" I think Atmos is a Luxury, and NOT a Necessity.

@kennethdaniels 8 месяцев назад

As cool as I think Atmos is and as hard as labels are pushing it, I haven’t talked to one normal music fan (or any friends family) that ever brings up Atmos or Spatial Audio. Now of course that’s a small sample size, maybe like 50 people total. I wish you the best and look forward to seeing how it pans out 🤘🏻

@ILoveTelecasters 8 месяцев назад

So true. I love the format. Truly immersive. From a music making standpoint its amazing. Also another sales point for manufacturers. I imagine audiophiles would swear to stereo and normal consumers would be convinced into an atmos soundbar. But who would invest in a proper, but inconvenient setup? (Me if I had the money 🤪)

@alex_ayers 8 месяцев назад

I thought this originally as well, but I do feel like the market is unsaturated with interest in overpriced consumer playback systems. You can get a decent record player for under $200, and I think the same will happen with average consumers wanting a "real" immersive setup, whether it be for average consumers or bedroom studio's. Same with luxury car manufacturers putting a dent in the idea of Atmos, which I think will be the best thing for the format, outside of better headphone tech and affordable consumer devices for the home!!

@oishikplays 8 месяцев назад

@@alex_ayers you can't get a decent record player for under $200

@JohnShyloski 8 месяцев назад

I can’t see clients paying 2-3x as much for a mix because I’ve built an atmos room. Financially it seems like a huge risk on the studio owners part with very little reward.

@bikesandbeats4693 8 месяцев назад

As someone who has owned an Atmos setup in my home theater for almost 5 years, never once have I sat in it to listen music nor plan to. I’ve used the Atmos/Spatial audio feature in my AirPods Pro and AirPods Max and always turn it off because it takes the punch out of the music. I’m always a person that embraces new tech but I don’t believe Atmos for music is going to catch on, not at least it’s available as a standard feature in automobiles. Besides myself, I only know one other person that has Atmos installed on their home.

@mountainlabelmusic 8 месяцев назад

Now you know 2 people!! I absolutely LOVE it compared to Stereo (well, almost). There are a LOT of bad Atmos mixes out there, especially older music that is just being up-mixed from the Stereo Master, which really only reduces the volume for headphones, and sounds VERY thin for a real Atmos set-up. And I think this gives a lot of false hope for Atmos for music. A lot of modern mixes that are created in Atmos are significantly more appealing than the Stereo version. Would I listen to single's in Atmos every day? Probably not. Would I listen to a full Album created with Atmos with other producers and friends like I would a movie? Absolutely. I hope that becomes something that people do in the future!! (But it probably won't haha) I have a playlist of my favorite music in Atmos, for what sounds good in both Spatial Audio and my speaker set-up. I highly recommend checking it out!!: music.apple.com/us/playlist/mountain-label-atmos-favorites/pl.u-PDb4034FL3Y7BaD

@kadiummusic 7 месяцев назад

Well said, and very honest. There's going to be thousands of secondhand monitors on eBay in about 5 or 6 years! 😁

@resington 8 месяцев назад

Everything involved with this seems like an absolute nightmare Colt! I truly hope you nail this.

@ColtCapperrune 8 месяцев назад

There’s a lot to it! But I’m very excited for it

@andynonimuss6298 8 месяцев назад

They now have the Audient ORIA 16 channel coming out soon, which solves a lot of surround headaches and has built-in DSP tuning.

@levondarratt787 8 месяцев назад

and unnecessary! my headphoens are the ONLY device doing Atmos on Samsung S23 Ultra and Buds Pro 3.... All of thsi can be doen with headphones.....if you need 300 speakers for soem nerds to control the marjet so no one else gets to do it - it probably is a afailed standard.... #60 Spatial audiom atmos - all the same - and all done in headphones...I enjoy it - but not BETTER....just different.... Guitarist popping up behind me in mid song woudl probably be a knock out punch in real life in a club, lol...

@exes_official 8 месяцев назад

Completely unrelated to the video but I recently watched the Pensados Place interview with CLA from 11 years ago and was surprised when I heard your name come up during the Q&A. You asked what advise he had on making the move to only mixing in a saturated market. Look where you are now, crazy. Congrats to your success man!!

@ColtCapperrune 8 месяцев назад

I remember that well! Thank you so much!

@herb-music 8 месяцев назад

Wish you the best with this investment. For me the risk that this will go away in a couple years like so many trends before is WAY to big. And even more so since end consumers will ONLY listen to atmos on crappy sound bars, headphones or car systems. And for that providing Atmos mix versions made on headphones in Studio One is really easy and is more than good enough. Costs me zero money extra. And I will charge more you bet. And I guess most mixers will think like that when forced to deliver atmos mixes. Sorry bro, but I guess nobody will ever value your insane investment, they just don't care.

@FishloreJimson 8 месяцев назад

As long as I have two ears, I'll continue consuming music in stereo. I don't care how many of my speakers are "atmos compatible" they'll never be used in that capacity. Put me down as someone who sees the future of this tech as similar to 5.1. I don't see the general public really embracing or even calling for this no matter how much its creators force us and push us to use it. The idea of a bunch of pop music fans sitting in the center of a room surrounded with speakers is so laugh out loud funny, I just can't take it serious.

@quiquepuche6393 8 месяцев назад

I agree and I don't consider this or any other comment that is not in favor of ATMOS as hate. Through the last few decades, we've seen failing attempts to change the format from stereo to quad and then 5.1. Now e have this big corporate (monopoly) push to implement the immersive audio experience with Sony 360 or ATMOS (which is the one that everybody talks about). I recently heard a known mixing engineer say that the only person that hears the drums in "ATMOS" is the drummer while playing the drums. As soon as you walk away from the drums, you heard them in mono. Everything else you hear is the room reflections, not the instrument. When I go to concerts I try to sit behind the mixing engineer to get the best sound possible. If I'm too close to the stage on one side, I may only hear the bass amp and one guitar and barely hear the other guitar and the keys. I see the immersive audio the same way: unless you are sitting in the sweet spot of the speakers, you won't hear it correctly. I wish the best to all the people spending a fortune on these rigs (and also on software, plugins, etc.) and hope it works for everybody but I don't see a bright future on this immersive audio idea.

@ILoveTelecasters 8 месяцев назад

Can’t really follow the 2 ears = 2 speakers thing. If You’ve listened in a proper atmos studio you’ll be BLOWN AWAY. It’s an amazing experience to hear music that way. I do agree though, that the general public won’t invest in that kind of system and the ‘fake’ atmos speakers that fire audio onto the wall I’m not that keen on…

@ColtCapperrune 8 месяцев назад

From a biological standpoint, we are hardwired to hear sound 360°. You can tell if someone’s walking up behind you, or if someone is talking on the left side versus the right side. Or if a plane is flying overhead. Atmos is the very first format that actually lets us consume music the way we naturally hear. Not convincing you that you need to get involved in it, but the two ears/2 speakers argument is absolutely not valid.

@theprisonier 8 месяцев назад

Your ears do not listen in stereo that is a big misunderstood

@FishloreJimson 8 месяцев назад

@@ColtCapperrune Are we talking about Atmos because the average music consumer is lusting after it? Or are we talking about it because music distributors want us to use it? Is an average song writer writing with Atmos in mind? Or are they being pushed to have it used after the song was written to comply with the rules? Is the trend in music consumption toward a more sophisticated direction? Or are people listening on the go with buds? Sure nature has an infinite number of speakers, sure we hear in 360. It's simply not the way a lot of people listen to music. If we were talking cinema, I'd have a much easier time getting on board, but a bass, drums and guitar? Not so much.

@onocoffee 8 месяцев назад

Here's my hate - it would be nice if you placed chapter stops - especially on these 45+ minute videos!

@ColtCapperrune 8 месяцев назад

I put a timestamp for when I choose my gear if you want to skip the interview, outside of that, there’s no way to divide up the conversation in a way that still actually helps anyone.

@oliverkky 8 месяцев назад

We all want to have an Atmos rig, but we also know that none of us (with a few exceptions) could afford it one way or another. That's why I think Atmos will not get much bigger than it is right now, and it'll probably grow more in the film industry. That said, I love seeing people explore new things and seeing where it leads them. My uneducated prediction is that we're going to see Colt working on a big movie.

@djellisdee 8 месяцев назад

Also, "renting out" your Dolby certified Atmos studio room to new clients might be another new revenue reason to invest for studio owners like Colt?

@mountainlabelmusic 8 месяцев назад

Well one thing is for sure, is that Atmos has been in the Film industry for the past 10 years, and the same technology for that used to mix for film with have to translate for music for sure!! Not to mention, how affordable Atmos systems are already getting ($4,000 for a 7.0.4 iLoud system), which is insane!! We also have to remember, Colt is a professional with higher class clients, and this has become essential to his work for an unsaturated market with limited consumer knowledge. The average consumer also doesn't care that music is mixed through $100,000's worth of equipment in the top music studio's in the world. But they still listen to what is popular/sounds the best, and we still make it with the intent to provide the highest quality possible, for the people that are paying attention. Music producers wouldn't mix on expensive gear if it didn't matter and if it wasn't fun!! I referenced at 12:08 that you don't HAVE to have to space to do it. You can also technically work on Atmos with 5.1/7.1 without having to get a full rig yet. I have a couple of videos that go into detail about it!!

@levondarratt787 8 месяцев назад

I dont want one...u can do atmos in luxury headphones for 1500 dollars and never look back..putting u 200 speakers in your room liek some grandpa from 1990 is retarded...

@J_Costa15 8 месяцев назад

I love the idea of atmos, and I can’t wait to experience it in a nice studio someday. HOWEVER, I still don’t understand the commercial application **right now** I’m know headphones will keep getting better and better so eventually it could be very cool, but right now Spatial Audio is just garbage. (Coming from an Apple fanboy)

@DanielBucknellau 8 месяцев назад

Audient Oria just dropped a couple days ago. It’s prob perfectly for you. it includes integration with sonarworks, comes with a mic even! You can measure room and put the cal into the interface to correct right there. it has monitor controller with multiple profiles on an iPad app or eucon enabled if you wana use your dock. You can also link the downmix tools to the Dolby Atmos renderer (better than integrated Atmos for now in my experience), network or thunderbolt/usb, goes up to 9.1.6 via db25 or aes and includes 2 sets of additional stereo outs for alternate stereo monitors as well as 2 independent headphones. 2 console pres as well on the front. It’s kind of perfect!!!

@DMV-SaxTv 8 месяцев назад

Oh ... I'm grabbing that real soon. Jumped on the MBoX studio when it dropped, but I drooled on that unit for two days now!

@dougleydorite 8 месяцев назад

And doesn’t cost an arm and a leg

@OriginalRaveParty 8 месяцев назад

No hate, just a distinct lack of enthusiasm. I think it's amazing how much democratisation of music production has been accomplished over the last 20 years and this is a giant forced gatekeeper being thrown at music production by one organisation with their own interests, and a bunch of equipment manufacturers salivating at the prospect of selling more overpriced and largely unwanted gear. I think "the format" has a chance at public take-up, especially if the streaming platforms force it hard enough, but I can't see anyone but the most nutty and rich music fanatics buying gear that Truthfully plays the source back. Airpods claiming to be Atmos using two earpieces seems like as much snake oil and BS as surround sound headphones are currently.

@FreestyleGalaxyNMore 8 месяцев назад

Atmos is dead already.... 😂😂😂😂

@bobfrode 8 месяцев назад

I dont hate the atmos, but dont understand the WHY from an investment perspective if most ppl just listen through their phone or some airplugs or just regular speakers to know the difference. Listeners wont probably care or know how ATMOS works. imho i think "they" do it to seperate "The Pros" and us pleebs on Itunes etc since its a must if you want to be part of any official playlist? ( correct me if im wrong) I release music, but im not a pro or can afford atmos rig. BUT.. i still love youre videos Colt and cant wait to see how your new setup will be :)

@kadiummusic 7 месяцев назад

Atmos is a dead 🦜. Didn't ask for it, didn't need it, don't want it. Please don't get sucked in. 😎

@ggmusic6974 8 месяцев назад

No hate. But the truth is, CONSUMERS of music dont use speakers at all. "Optimized for earbuds" is the way to go if you want to compete commercially with mixing in 2023. If the goal is "status in the cool club" amongst the youtube musicproduction- community, ATMOS is relevant.

@brentharmonmusicproduction 8 месяцев назад

This is true on that. Plus, a lot of home don't have ATMOS set up in their homes At least not yet, but I'm sure soon down the road. Plus, the cost of running ATMOS rig is going to have to come down in price in order for consumers to be able to afford it.

@alex_ayers 8 месяцев назад

This is ALMOST true. The average consumer doesn't even care about the quality of the music, they care more about if it is popular and if they can get it on their streaming service. Consumers DO use speakers in their car, and while it might just be a luxury right now, it is very possible to see people getting cars JUST to have the ability to have a form of Dolby Atmos (in my opinion). And with the rise in VR/AR nearing the next few years being very relevant even up until now, where Atmos is a directional meta-data based "thing", I thing we will eventually be seeing a link between Film/Video and Music/Audio being closer than ever before (3D Music Videos/Hyper Realistic Virtual Concerts/etc.). This is all just an opinion, but I was scared to learn and spend the money on Atmos, and I just feel like this will make things we easier and way more fun for producers and songwriters alike (eventually). The intent for music is to create the Art in it's best possible form. This is the future, or at least a format that will stay for the future. Just like vinyl still being relevant, while the average consumer does not purchase it, there are still people that want it. I would LOVE to see more artists releasing Albums on Blu-ray to play in a home theater!!

@1loveMusic2003 8 месяцев назад

Studio One has built in Atmos as well and it is implemented well.

@mountainlabelmusic 8 месяцев назад

I use Logic Pro's built-in renderer!! The only problem I have is the Fold-Down. I think producing a song and getting it placed is super cool to have in the built-in renders!! I would avoid using it for deliverables, but as long as the QC is there with referencing, I see no issue how it could be use for it that way!!

@stillavenue 8 месяцев назад

Atmos is cool, but I don’t think it has legs for music. I think it’s amazing tech for VR and movies, but so far, i’m not convinced for music. Just feels like a way to try to push out small/home studios and/or force them to invest huge and play catchup with bigger studios for little to no real world benefit. That said, happy to leave this comment and help out your video! Good luck on your build, I know that once it’s done you’ll be really happy with it. Listening and working on music in a calibrated Atmos room would/will be amazing i’m sure. I just don’t think it’s something the general public will adopt so it will most likely just end up being for your own enjoyment. Cheers

@LipazMusic 8 месяцев назад

I do not hate it, nor see it will widespread globally. Also, the multi speaker setup is a luxury these days for 99% of the globe… not too mention the demand. However, some records showed me that if it’s used/mixed carefully and with taste even on a mainstream song, it can be good. Even the stereo downmix version can be good. I’m still not convinced if music (as art) needs it, or consumers are longing for it. It’s unnatural, because music is an art, not there to mimic reality. Just like an enjoyable painting is not an iPhone live photo. Movie is a different animal with some genres that may be more enjoyable with sounds following the picture. Hence, soundbars were developed for home users. Not for music. Gear can be superminimal, and cheap. More and more affordable speakers landed on the market. Audient Oria is a big move forward and I hope it forces UAD to wake up. How many of us requested since 2020 to put room correction option on mains, and collaborate with companies like Sonarworks etc. RME did something as well, Neumann is there at least with 7.1.4 propriatery solution.

@PaulEubanks 8 месяцев назад

Atmos makes sense for movies where there is a dedicated listening environment which can accurately reproduce the mix, but definitely not for music, nobody is going to bother. None of the collapsed Atmos mixes ever sound good compared to stereo mixes either.

@error8418 8 месяцев назад

I'm really not sure what to think of Atmos: From the musician/producer/engineer standpoint it offers some exciting new possibilities, the labels obviously love it because they can sell you the same 50 year old albums once more in a new format and as a consumer it seems pretty much useless. Well, maybe not useless, but no audiophile will really be happy with only the binaural version on headphones, getting a proper Atmos speaker system (+ the required room treatment) is insanely expensive when you're just a consumer and the average consumer wouldn't care (or even notice...) if their airpods were mono.

@blue_mountains28 8 месяцев назад

Dolby atmos 🤦‍♂️…. Boooo hate booooo👎

@RichDelinquent 8 месяцев назад

Atmos is actually extremely annoying to consume unless you intend to sit still

@peytoncorserfilms199 8 месяцев назад

Facts!!!!

@TheRealTMajor 8 месяцев назад

I absolutely love your videos I don’t believe disagreeing is hate. I definitely want an Atmos setup I actually do two mixes. One in stereo and the other mix in Logic in Atmos using AirPods lol. I can’t wait to see the setup

@ILoveTelecasters 8 месяцев назад

It’s INSANE that Pro Tools haven’t made automatic delay compensation yet?! The feature has been in Logic as far as I can remember. Also, Pro Tools users probably use outboard the most

@AaronDaniels123 8 месяцев назад

I’m an artist with Ginger Audio and it’s changed my life!!! I highly recommend!

@victoriaperedur4109 8 месяцев назад

I went to the Audient Oria launch a few days ago. It looks like it's going to be a gamechanger. Sonarworks is integrated too.

@chadfayrobinson7537 8 месяцев назад

I don't hate this but I'm avoiding, It took me so long to get 2 monitors figured out LOL ! We will see where this ends up in years to come, it seems like the internet is talking less about it. I still don't know how a lot of people would go about listening to Atmos mixes? But if there's a demand this will have a go!

@dougleydorite 8 месяцев назад

I hear you on getting 2 monitors! What did you end up with?

@chadfayrobinson7537 8 месяцев назад

My main Monitors are Neumann KH120A the second set is Dynaudio BM5A or KRK 5s. What do you use ? @@dougleydorite

@dudedudedude36 8 месяцев назад

when they gonna make a 9 channel bus comp for less than 47,000 dollars

@ColtCapperrune 8 месяцев назад

There’s quite a few plug-in options already. But a hardware Atmos bus comp would be something! Lol.

@dudedudedude36 8 месяцев назад

@@ColtCapperrune have to say atmos link instead of stereo link lololol

@andynonimuss6298 8 месяцев назад

They now have the Audient ORIA 16 channel coming out soon, which solves a lot of surround headaches and has built-in DSP tuning. No need for an Avid MTRX Studio interface now.

@braxal6983 8 месяцев назад

Colt, I believe using Cubase 13 pro, there is a button you click and it sends a signal thorough your insert (s) and automatically calculates the delay and sets it or you can manually set it. I am surprised that Pro Tools does not have that feature.

@loslobosjr 8 месяцев назад

Fantastic video, thanks for this series, Colt!

@JasonRblah 8 месяцев назад

At no point in the last 13 years have I thought to myself, "wow, this movie theater has such good surround sound, I wish I had this at home." Another reason Atmos will die: professional gamers care more about 3d audio positioning than anyone else, and has the gaming industry adopted this format in any meaningful way? Do pro gamers sit at home with crazy surround setups for optimal positional audio? No. No one cares.

@Mr_A99 8 месяцев назад

I follow both you and Andrew Masters. And i LOVE to see the very long vid's from you guys 😀Keep'em up!

@ChaxSouthSide 8 месяцев назад

just one question... everyone mentions the "minimum height" of four channels above at 8 feet - but what does that mean? on the Atmos site it states 8 feet from the baffle (???) - what does that mean also? is it from the lowest point of the speaker baffle or the highest point? theoretically, (and sonicly) the highest point is still diffraction point for higher freqs... i`m pretty sure i`ve seen some dolby setups where the 4 above speakers are clearly lower than 8 feet and they got approved... most of the twoway monitors on the market (that can be used for above) are taller than a foot plus the separation from the wall and the angle... i`m interested in making a 7.1.4 setup but my room is barely over 8.2"

@BeatsAndGuitars 8 месяцев назад

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE…..love you Colt keep grindin’ man!!!

@ColtCapperrune 8 месяцев назад

😂😂😂😂

@marksims4131 8 месяцев назад

Check out the Audient ORIA Immersive Audio Interface and Monitor Controller

@violetskystudio 8 месяцев назад

How do you plan to use the HDX card with your Mac Studio? Is there a way to covert the PCIE connection to thunderbolt? Also, I’m genuinely surprised that you don’t get automatic hardware delay compensation in the standard pro tools.

@LeChapeauMusic 5 месяцев назад

no you have to calculate it yourself and then put the numbers on the insert delay

@SHARt_murmur 8 месяцев назад

Feel like it’s too early for me to have an opinion, as I kinda feel like it’s like mono going to stereo, and I don’t wanna be full on “old man yells at cloud.” Haha I’ve yet to find an Atmos mix I preferred; however, I feel like it’s because they’re not being tracked in Atmos. That said, when Dev drops his new stuff which is produced in Atmos, that’ll be a game changer. Regardless, really doesn’t matter what I think, as I just appreciate you taking the risk and enabling us to learn from ya. Thanks!

@ILoveTelecasters 8 месяцев назад

Ariana Grande was pretty quick to release her entire catalog in atmos and in headphones it sounds like garbage. However I went to a certified atmos studio and I was blown away. I’m not an expert by any means but there’s something with the binaural version that Apple Music offers that isnt there yet. They’ve basically made a preset version (while there are different while monitoring in atmos: near, medium, far i think) for all music.

@DroptekOfficial 8 месяцев назад

THANK YOU for making this video. Regardless of what side of the argument you're on the fact that you shared your experience in such depth and detail is a blessing to other engineers who might find themselves in your position. There are barely any people who have done this, let alone shared their experience in such detail for others to learn from. Really well done 👏🏻

@jloiben12 8 месяцев назад

I keep on thinking how cool it would be to have an atmos rig but then I remember. I don’t do any film scoring and the little I do work in Atmos I never go beyond what I can do with just headphones. Like I don’t throw things way behind one’s head or anything like that, and I have gotten pretty good at knowing how my headphones translate to such systems, so I just don’t have a need to go full out. And while as cool as it would be to get a full Atmos rig, I am glad I have no need to

@irulfm 8 месяцев назад

and the result for an iPod earphone 😆🍻

@this_is_jmdub 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the extensive insight! Correct me if I’m wrong but „double the distance“ it’s 6db lost, not 3 … or not?

@theappearedone 8 месяцев назад

Atmos is the one thing everyone thinks sounds good but wants to fail

@berkebowland3648 8 месяцев назад

Are you editing the "Andrew Masters hates this compressor" video in the background? (28:54 mark...) lol

@ColtCapperrune 8 месяцев назад

I had just finished the thumbnail 😂😂😂

@JimBaldree 8 месяцев назад

Love my MTRX Studio for my ATMOS room. I use the DAD MOM for a volume control because of the flex and integration to DAD and MTRX Studio. One you start adding options like only listening to the tops, or the sides, or rears, of your reference from Apple Music via Dante Virtual Soundcard among countless other things you can program with DAD, you won't regret having the flex of DAD MOM to recall everything. I also use the 1/4" outs of the MTRX Studio for my smalls in stereo. It's there and usable so why not? :) Love the videos!

@mountainlabelmusic 8 месяцев назад

I love using my Stream Deck+ as a MOM Device!! Super affordable compared to the MOM device itself, with a TON of extra functionality, if that is something you are looking for

@ladanny65 8 месяцев назад

Good stuff! I design Atmos mix rooms, screening rooms, and theaters. With Atmos, there’s the science, and there’s the art. The RLP concept is where art comes in.

@martijn_nl 8 месяцев назад

Audient released their Oria interface just in time! Have to check that one out!

@JasonBuffin 8 месяцев назад

Your interview with Joshua was really informative on some of the tech specs for the room and speakers. I don't think I've seen anyone else on YT go that in depth. Thanks!

@michaelclover9186 8 месяцев назад

I’m thinking of bumping up to stereo from mono but a little nervous about it. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN ??🤓

@mkreple 8 месяцев назад

I own a 9.1.6 atmos room. Been on it for a couple yrs now.

@RicardoTolbert 8 месяцев назад

Dude I remember your first video(s) was on the the Apollo and the issues you were having with hardware inserts. Come a long way from that video! I ended up getting an Avid carbon last year.

@nathandaniels2220 8 месяцев назад

Bro you're new studio is gonna be so sick. That atmos rig is gonna be so much fun.

@joesalyers 8 месяцев назад

I'm not against Atmos, I like it, but I think the hardware companies that make audio interfaces need to fix the issue we have had since the ADAT days of 8x8 setups. The more budget friendly brands like Presonus, Focusrite, Behringer, Tascam, and so on need to finally move on to a 2U rack model with 24 combo jacks on the front and 24 1⁄4 inch line outputs on the back. It can be done for under $1500. But most USB interface makers will have to move to USB4 with PCI tunneling (USB4 can carry thunderbolt 3) and stop with USB 2 or 3 because of the channel count being nerfed at 24x24 before sampling rates cut that down even more with aweful options like ADAT or Madi. USB4 can daisy chain up to 128 inputs and outputs. Imagine buying 4 Focusrite or Tascam or anyother brand interface and daisy chaining them together and the computer sees it as one interface. Universal audio does something similar as well as Presonus' original Quantum line. That is the future to make Atmos work for the regular music creator in my humble opinion. Because right now everything feels like some homebrew half baked way of making it work. Its like fixing a boat leak with duct tape! LOL

@brandongleason5279 8 месяцев назад

Oh hey Andrew Masters! 👋

@vc2tb 8 месяцев назад

I enjoyed the video you gave an insight to atmos 👍

@MountainViewStudio 8 месяцев назад

Why dont you get a Rupert Neve Designs 5059 summing mixer (2 stereo outputs!) it has inserts for EACH channel (16 ch) plus you get the massive sound of the RND 5088 console. I have it and it sounds absolutely great. And I can patch any hardware into any channel. Just a though

@nutellaontoast4281 8 месяцев назад

I have been waiting for this!

@MASS_Studios 8 месяцев назад

Stupid Atmos loby

@planbrecords2466 8 месяцев назад

Colt! I am currently building my Atmos rig in my studio here at BrowneBarne Ranch, Outside of Palm Springs, California. I’m an old dog and I have racks of 2 inch tape demos from when we had publishing deals in Nashville many years ago. I’m telling you this because I used to be a hard ass analog dude. When we moved to California, I built an analog studio, and I was bound and determined to hold my ground and survive being an analog dude. Well surprise, everyone was embracing digital and everyone wanted it. I just remember hearing Steve Earle’s “Die Like An Aviator” record, which was one of the first digital recordings I had ever heard, and thinking “damn, this is tinny and harsh!” And I used to point at it and say see? You need to record analog! But then digital technology got so much better. And all of my heroes started putting their tape machines in mothballs and embracing the digital recording realm, and I was getting left in the dust. So when I finally embraced the digital recording world, it took me a while to catch up, but I did. I learned a very valuable lesson. You’re either making dust, or you’re eating dust. To that end, I was at the Namm show a couple years ago, and was introduced to Dolby Atmos. I realized at that point, if I don’t embrace this, I will be in the same position I was back when I was an analog dude. I’m here to tell you that the industry insiders that I know all realize that Atmos is the way of the future. And as you probably know all the big music distributors only want Atmos mixes now. Anyway Colt, I’ve been following you for about six months, and you are, by far, the best RU-vid content provider that I have seen when it comes to recording advice and experience. Your hands on demeanor and attitude to sharing your knowledge is unparalleled. At any rate, I knew you would be building a Dolby Atmos environment sooner or later because you also realize that it is now, in today’s recording world, a pure necessity. You are either making dust or eating dust and that’s the reality. Keep making that dust! Thank you Colt -you are awesome!

@FractalWavesAudio 8 месяцев назад

AndrewMasters in the background lol

@thelab705 8 месяцев назад

In my personal opinion you are making excellent choices with the HD I/O and mtrx studio! Both have fantastic converters. Don’t get me wrong I think the Apollo X series are fantastic, but I personally have never been a fan of the converters . Also If you thought the old HD systems were great, you’re gonna love HDX. I Can only imagine how stressful this upgrade must be, keep up the good work dude, you’re killing it!! 🤙🏼🤙🏼

@mrdenson3101 8 месяцев назад

Colt, ffs please do not label genuine criticism as hate. It doesn’t become you. This Atmos thing is a con to make us buy unnecessary headphones and weed out home studios. We have two ears and naturally listen in stereo.

@yona9798 8 месяцев назад

Hey Colt! I have a suggestion for the monitor controller, but it only makes sense for your specific setup/needs if the MTRX-setup is Dante-compatible. Which I believe it is, but I am not familiar with the MTRX lineup and I don't have the time to double check right now, unfortunately. Anyway: Audient just released the ORIA, which could completely replace the MTRX Studio. As far as I can tell it would be the more affordable option and comes with integrated volume control and easily downfoldable headphone outputs. Only "downside" being having to use Dante for all your outputs. Present Day Production just released a video about the ORIA which I'd highly recommend you to check out. Hope this helped! PS Though it doesn't currently make sense for me to get into Atmos myself, I am really interested in the technology and would love to do so eventually. Really interesting video! I really hope your setup tuns out great!

@DeepSound_Music 8 месяцев назад

Atmos production is absolutely amazing period! It is not a conspiracy that the Apple, Tidal or other streaming platforms are forcing you to buy... And this whole two ears concept is absolutely ludicrous! I hear in surround not just left and right! Just because an atmos set up can be expensive dosent make it wrong! And yes, we all have to pay bills and yes the cost of living is high as you guessed it... But that's life, and it's only going to get higher #facts Those of us who started creating music from a professional aspect back in th analog days had to buy a multi-channel console, you needed a multi-track tape machine in order to record and produce music! Trust me, these items cost a lot more than any plugins... My point is listen folks some technology costs period! We aren’t complaining about the cost for the computers, phones, and lets not even talk about the vehicles we drive even the chespest ones are STILL expensive right? Hate it or love it just remember... Stop B!+

@SuperAgentAB 7 месяцев назад

"Atmos should be for movies" What? Atmos is not limited to just one application. Dolby Atmos for music is underutilized potential. If you think 2 ears are "just" enough, try go outside, take an walk, and observe the sounds around you. That's true immersive to you.

@jacy123 8 месяцев назад

That gonna be so stunning man! Congrats!! I’m building an 800sqft studio now after 20 years of saving up…the 240sqft mixing room will have a genelec 7.1.4 Atmos system in it. All 8340s.. so much to figure out haha but immersive is really moving to experience and I’m stoked! I may try to get 9.1.4 based on what your saying about translation to stereo but man I’m stretched thin already makin these ballsy moves between the studio build and all the gear haha. Never really thought I’d spend $10k on two doors lol cheers and keep it up! Deep breaths for the long haul! ✨🔊 🙌

@kozadofficial9662 8 месяцев назад

THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO MAKE THIS!

@pavlebn 8 месяцев назад

Love it! Amazing that we are finally getting to a point where you can say that surround is not a actually not a gimmick but is actually being developed and more available to everyday consumers. I've recently seen a relatively budget friendly, atmos focused interface pop up called the Audient ORIA. Wonder how it would hold up against Avid stuff. (Vid idea 👀👀) EDIT: ORIA Can also be used as just a monitor controller and kinda fixes the problem of "if I could just have a volume control knob that just WORKS".

@markemerson3052 8 месяцев назад

SPL is -6db for each doubling of distance NOT -3db as Josh says in interview. I think it’s Important to get the math and physics correct and don’t mean to be a jerk by calling this out. There are many good online SPL distance calculators for odd measurements. Appreciate you sharing this atmos info Colt - this is too hi $$$ for me 😢so I will stick with my stereo genelecs plus sub for now but will keep an eye on it. Thanks.

@joshuaestock 8 месяцев назад

Hey Mark - Josh here. You're 100% right on this. After we finished I realized I mispoke and we intended to make a correction, but forgot. Good catch.

@markemerson3052 8 месяцев назад

Hi Josh - yes easy to make a mistake in an interview I also work live sound and do systems engineering with long throw line array speakers that have cylindrical waveform from line array effect and that does drop off at 3db for each doubling of distance but regular speakers are -6db. This sometimes confuses me. Thanks for your info in this video - very helpful. I will stay tuned and am looking forward to learning of new d/a interfaces and monitor controllers. I have 3 genelec 1031s for LCR and I can round up 4 pairs of old yorkville ysm1p monitors for side and rear fills and four YSM1 passives for the ceiling but need monitor control software for my DAW, apple music, streamed video etc. Please keep us posted as these products evolve.@@joshuaestock

@palsheldon6520 8 месяцев назад

Interesting about HD... I've always wondered if I'm a chump for sticking with it all these years... Great video man. really helpful and a really nice presentation.

@thelab705 8 месяцев назад

The Delay compensation in itself is well worth the price of admission. Not only for hardware inserts but also plugins. Stick with the HD rig fellas. If you know, you know lol 🤙🏼

@bigmike2149 6 месяцев назад

Hey Colt! Great channel bro! Love your videos. So when we talk about a 2.1 system generally we want to buy high end monitors. Does the same principles apply when buying an ATMOS system or can we get away with budget friendly monitors as there’s 7 of them. Thanks man! 👍🏻🔥🔥

@Nate0h8 6 месяцев назад

Welcome to Atmos! Can confirm, Focal Trios in the LCR and Solos everywhere else is a KILLER Atmos rig. I have Trio6's instead of the 11's, but otherwise the exact same system. MTRX Studio out to Focal's

@mewfan84 4 месяца назад

Top ten reasons why Atmos is absolutely going to be the biggest thing since sliced bread. This message has not been sponsored by Sweetwater. 1) people love to listen to music in one spot without moving 2) people have big rooms in their appartements just waiting to be filled with speakers 3) soundbar -type solutions that bounce sound off walls and ceilings just work extremely well and give a clear and cohesive sound stage 4) think about all the concerts that you went to, don't you just love listening to the band playing around you, and the sound surrounding you from all directions 5) all the manufacturers just love to pay royalties to Dolby for every single product that licences the technology 6) when listening on headphones, it's just amazing and totally purposeful that the sound sources move when you move your head 7) mixing without bus compression is the dream of every mixing engineer 8) technologies that have been force fed to the public by tech companies have always proven to be huge successes 9) people listen to music for the immersive experience and sound quality, not the lyrics or the emotions that the music evokes 10) In cars, it's nice that every passenger can have their own version of the Atmost mix, how the artists ment you to feel the music!

@barringtonjohnson6569 8 месяцев назад

Atmos is for movies period…A plane flying overhead. Someone walking-up behind you, or to the left or right of you… that’s a movie not MUZIK. Roll-on to 3099…atmos still not popular. 😂

@ericlee5935 8 месяцев назад

Hey Colt there’s a free script for soundflow where you can use a stream deck with knobs and keys as MOM directly integrated with the mtrx

@TheSakuraGumiLTD 6 месяцев назад

Atmos... at-ass!... or something lol I was very inspired and at the same time very stressed out at the idea of going Atmos... as I researched up till recently, figuring out the interface and easy of use was a bleeding nightmare. Things just not adding up... until the Audient ORIA came out and made it all very simple.

@DaveMcCall 7 месяцев назад

Colt, even if the ceiling was exactly as structurally sound as the floor, the floor is always holding a bunch of stuff... furniture, racks, stands, etc... which all act as mass damping. Any vibration in the floor has to move ALL that stuff (in addition to the floor structure itself). So, yeah, ceiling monitor isolation is probably several orders of magnitude more important.

@brianmclendon1647 6 месяцев назад

I keep hearing people compare Atmos to older surround formats and using that as an example that it will fade away but what they are forgetting is that back then the only way to listen to music was to go buy a CD, tape, or whatever. Digital delivery changes this scenario entirely because now anyone with a phone and a pair of AirPods has access to the Atmos experience.. I’m personally not a big fan of Atmos, it seems like a gimmick, I do think a lot of the motivation behind it is financial so the record companies can increase the price of admission to make recording a “pro’s only” endeavor again, I agree that hardly anyone will ever get an actual true Atmos setup in their home, but with all that said most consumers get their music digitally, tons of people will have AirPods, sound bars, and many other devices that require Atmos to work, so if you can’t deliver an Atmos mix you will be at a disadvantage when putting your music out in the world. The question is do you need to invest in a huge expensive Atmos rig or do we just mix out Atmos stuff on Atmos capable headphones since that’s how it will be heard by the vast majority of people. Thanks for sharing this Colt and good luck on your Atmos journey, I personally think it’s the right move although it isn’t

@stephenpertesis7710 8 месяцев назад

Time Capsule Hate Comment: This whole new "Rock and ROLL" nonsense won't last; it's nothing but a cheap fad with bad haircuts...

@stuartdarling1620 8 месяцев назад

I think the biggest issue with Atmos and spatial audio in general is going to be that many people wont be in a position to have the requirements to be onboarded by dolby, but will still be producing and releasing atmos mixes, quite possibly just done on airpods, so you're even more likely to see dodgy atmos mixes making it into the mainstream and just devaluing the technology. Secondly from what ive seen elsewhere, the way music is produced nowadays with tight budgets, is anyone going to have any money left to do both a stereo and an atmos mix of their album?

@zootook3422 8 месяцев назад

So, I'm running a tiny Atmos set up at home using a Focusrite 18i20, faking the center via L and R and the same with the LFE. That way I'm good with the 10 out channels on the 18i20. Running Blackhole virtual sound card as the default out on the Mac makes Apple Music play into that pipe the Blackhole into Reaper that then goes to the Focusrite. The problem with Apple Music is that it only accepts 16 channels. If your soundcard has more, it doesn't work. Blackhole has 16. 18i20 has 20 as the ADAT counts. The 18i20 then sits behind Reaper so Apple Music doesn't see that. On the output of Reaper I use Dirac plugin for time, eq and phase correction. I much prefer the sound Dirac compared to SoundID but with SoundID you can back off to like 70%, which I much prefer, not using brute force to make my speakers sound different. Dirac has no dial sadly, just on or off. Blackhole controls the level of the 16 channels from the computer keyboard volume buttons. Works like a charm. I figure that the Blackhole trick with Apple Music is something anyone can do, even if you have a proper Atmos rig, avoiding the Dante/Atmos decoder nonsens.

@kevinlentz7604 8 месяцев назад

To think my first listening experience was on vinyl 78, crank player s Patti Page,how much is that doggy in the Window 1959

@cornerliston 8 месяцев назад

Worth mentioning the new Audient Oria which solves a lot of the common issues, including room calibration via Sonarworks' Sound Id stored into the interface.

@wearemelodio 7 месяцев назад

DAD MOM for monitoring control works well ! OR, a elgato streamdeck works too. there is a software to link it to the dadman of the avid MTRX.

@blueemberproductions 8 месяцев назад

I could see this being the new movie theater experience, but just for audiophiles. Having been to tons of raves, a business that offers immersive audio seems like an experience close to that of festivals. You would just lose out on the visual production. So I'm curious to see where this goes - commercial or just for us nerds.

@galgogergo 8 месяцев назад

For a monitor controller, there's Audient Oria, which will be launched later this year. Already introduced, and if I'm right, the people at Present Day Production (see their RU-vid channel) already made an introductional video about it, since they were involved in beta testing. Good luck with your system, though! :)

@Danny_Does_Music 8 месяцев назад

Colt, do you plan on mixing more and producing less? Because my biggest drawback on this is that it makes your room look a lot less cool and welcoming for creating with clients. I understand you’re trying to compensate by rearranging the room but I personally don’t think it looks look as good. As someone who has a friend with an atmos rig, he lost a lot of production/recording clients due to the room feeling less vibey/spacious. Also we are in LA where people are more snobby so maybe you won’t have that issue with your clients. My friend didn’t feel that much of a loss though cause now he’s doing atmos 24/7. If that’s what you wanna do then all the power to you. That being said, I hope that doesn’t happen for you and that you keep all the work possible. Great video! But that’s my personal gripe with atmos. I love the technology and capabilities but its not very versatile for people who do more than just mixing. The setup isn’t very vibey/client friendly. We will see…..

@ColtCapperrune 8 месяцев назад

So my focus has been more on mixing than producing for nearly a decade. I don’t want to stop producing, but if mixing was 70 or 80% of my work, that would be great. I enjoy it more, I’m better at it, and from a Numbers perspective, I’m a more successful Mixer than I am a producer, so I don’t think it’s going to be an issue whatsoever. However, I agree with you… The flow of the room is definitely worse with Atmos.

@Danny_Does_Music 8 месяцев назад

@@ColtCapperrune Gotcha. Well then good luck! The room is gonna come out great. I hope to see you next week at NAMM!

@gavinsaunders01 8 месяцев назад

I think if it makes business sense then do it. For small bedroom producers like myself there really isn’t a good business case at the moment but if the cost comes down overtime then I would certainly consider an upgrade and in the meantime use a third party if you need to deliver an Atmos mix.

@dakota-sessions 8 месяцев назад

With peace and love: Atmos mixing for music will NOT be the standard. Glad to help your algorithm 😇

@DJSoulbrother 8 месяцев назад

I don't know but I have a feeling the haters of ATMOS simply don't have the gear to hear it properly. I have a humble 7.2.4 AV setup with actual ceiling mounted .4, that is a huge difference between the soundbar or upfiring ATMOS/DTS-X users, also it still hasn't matured and won't for years. The newer stuff sounds rushed, the classics that have been mixed properly are what makes ATMOS godly if you have at least probably 5.1.2 IMO, also imo the biggest problem is stereo compatibility with ATMOS or rather some who are perhaps new to mixing in ATMOS. I have heard so much that sounds hollow when played back/downscaled back in stereo. on the mixing side though Audient ORIA seems interesting, Also with AV you tend to want the same speakers for all channels if poss as you said so surely it would be the same for ATMOS audio, i'd go with probably Kali in-5's across the board to start as they're cheap and great for the price, and small enough for heights. You might want to check out Audient ORIA though, they have teamed up with sonarworks also

@MajorBrass 8 месяцев назад

32:03 are you getting a Mac Pro? The Mac Studio doesn’t have PCI slots

@ColtCapperrune 8 месяцев назад

I’m staying with the Mac studio, but using a chassis from Avid

@thelab705 8 месяцев назад

The Sonnet and Owc chassis work brilliantly as well. ☺️🤙🏼

@dereksamuelreese3420 8 месяцев назад

There’s always a team of people (atmos creators) that offer new technology and this video goes deep, I’m so happy I’m not at all interested in this, I am very happy with stereo. As long as your room is treated and sounds good, go create music and leave the atmos stuff alone

@QualifiedSoundStudios 8 месяцев назад

I’ve taken the leap… 7.1.4. Had to make some affordable choices, Apollo 16 and Kali speakers. Now Atmos, I have been working in it for about 6 months. I will say the bugs are horrible, and so many, it’s really really bad! But Regardless if it’s here to stay, it’s been fun and enjoyable music experience. Specially as a composer mostly, it’s great to write in it. However, I don’t know if the public really know about Atmos or care for that matter. People that have been I’m my studio, Atmos blows their mind, but honestly I don’t hear it myself in the headphones. I suppose it depends on how the tech evolves and the companies that get behind it? Makes sense… At least if it does become any type of standard, I’ll be knee deep in it with some experience under my belt. Who knows. But also, I’ve contacted Dolby twice, no response ever, so I wouldn’t count on much assistance from them. I even had the dart tool submitted, ticked all the boxes, and no response… but it doesn’t matter, I don’t care being on boarded anyway.

@tedbahas 8 месяцев назад

With everything you are buying. Why not look at Prism 128. 4 separate host card domains. Native PT HD cards support, 128 Channels of IO an only 2 rack spaces…. And the AD DA is better. No second or third interface required. You can also change configurations from session to session.