I totally agree with the filler part. I've had a nose job in 2017 and it was the best decision. My dentist tried to convince me of having a non surgical nose job but I've never even considered it. I don't want to keep having to do maintenance for my entire life. I'd rather "buy" my nose than "rent" it. Not to mention that fillers obviously can't make a nose smaller, only bigger and bulkier. And I love my nose now. It's not a perfect nose, but is perfect for me.
I can't wait to hsve my original nose back. Did u have an open or closed rhino? I need a closed one and I'm kinda scared. I'm gonna be 35 thus year and I've been living with this strangers nose on my face for 10 years. My insurance will only cover 2k of the 6.5k for the surgery since that's what they say is the non cosmetic part. Anyways, ty 4 letting me ask questions and complain. LOL. I'm so happy for you!
My two favoriites in one place, I am not even interested in plastic surgery but got hooked on Lorry's honesty and Gary's great content. You are both rso refreshingly honest -- talking about cosmetic surgery in a balanced and reflective way.
Nice to see a “normal” person talking bout surgery. I know she is not a plastic surgeon, but she is like us, the target consumer of beauty products and surgery😋.
No! Not really "average person"....these beauty bloggers look into all the latest and newest popular treatments and procedures...and try them out for "blogging" about them.
Mmm, no,she is not like us. She grew up in LA trying to be an actress. That will distort yourself worth by placing all your value on your looks. It’s just not like that in the rest of the world. Also Lorry believes that all celebrities have had a facelift based on comparing 2 photos. It’s total projection on her part. So much can change between photos, lighting, makeup, weight gain and loss. The face changes day to day depending on sleep and sodium intake, alcohol, physical activities. I think she needs to calm down.
@@elsagrace3893 this woman so clearly not natural...she has plastic surgery face. Doesn't that defeat the purpose? She's all over the place in her answers. As long as she's in her bubble she's natural? She looks like a videogame character. Her face doesn't move.
The person I chose for my revision rhinoplasty specializes in that, but when I asked him what he thought of me getting a lower blepharoplasty he bluntly told me to go to another doctor that is the best because my case was not the easiest case. I really appreciated his honestly. He didn't just try to get my money.
Came here from Lorrys channel! Im nearly 35 year old single mom of three. I never considered PS before besides breast implants. I decided to wait until after I was done having kids since I was unsure it would impact breast feeding. I never considered doing anything to my face but I really think Lorrys channel helped me see that as much as society pressures people into looking prefect, there is a polarizing other group that judges people for getting work done. I think I never considered getting work done on my face because I feared people would judge me for not being natural. I think having an open and honest conversation will help people feel less self-conscious and do what is right for them. Looking forward to checking out your content!
Dr Gary Linkov you have a really nice personality, the way you speak is calming and I see you care much about every person who goes in your consult, I love your channel👏🏾💥Lorry Hill you are lovely and thanks for taking this approach on plastic surgery, I’ve been your subscriber for a while and it really made me see it from a different perspective.💕
@@aksez2u exactly! Joe Rogan is a great example of looking better bald compared to when he had hair. Same with The Rock, he looks so much better bald compared to when he was younger with hair.
Great info! My Plastic Surgeon I went to for my breast lift referred me to another doctor due to his inexperience with my issues. I really appreciated that. He was very honest and the new surgeon did a great job. I would def go back to the first for areas he is more experienced with just bc of his honesty and the time he spent with me explaining things. 👍
This discussion is so important. Also, I love the contrast in this video of someone so utterly non-self conscious about his looks & someone completely self conscious about appearance, constantly checking herself out the whole video. No judgement. Just an observation.
As a cosmetologist, I totally felt the whole consultation dialogue; sometimes during the consult you will realize your services are not the best fit for what they want, and with hair, some people will never be happy with what you do because they are not happy with themselves and cosmetic procedures only can do so much. I am not afraid to say NO, and tell the client I am not a one for their needs. I’d rather loose out on a quick dollar than possibly deal with unrealistic clients that can cost my business much more in the long run. I never realized plastic surgeons went through that similar to us hairstylist. And I totally agree with the best don’t have to advertise! The work will speak for itself!!
Dr Gary is so cute and understanding, a type of doctor you would trust immediately . I really like Lorry too cause she has the same doubts we all have as patients.
This was such a healthy and pleasant conversation! I watch Lorry's videos a lot, but it was so interesting to hear about a professional's opinion and perspective here. Looking forward to more of your videos :D
This was a great conversation. I’ve only watched a couple of Larry’s videos recently. I don’t care for them at all because they are complete speculation that every single celebrity has had a face lift. I like facts. If I wished to waste time speculating I could do it myself easily. I don’t see the point.
The Dr. has great skin. Interesting video. Plastic surgery is addictive. After your first procedure, barring no complications, you start thinking what you can change next⭐ Very informative interview
32:00 holy cow it’s hard to not see once you know how to see. I am from Pakistan and every friggin actor here has gotten work done and it’s so obvious but fans are blind to it. It also annoys me when I can see it and that is all I can focus on
True sis! I'm from India. Every time Hollywood media makes a fuzz about someone not coming clean on plastic surgery I always think about Indian actress 😂 they'd never do that in this lifetime. And yes young girls are falling prey for this loophole 😪
Lorry, thank you for exposing the reality of people having plastic surgery. Taking advantage of anything that improves yourself without hurting anyone else is nothing to feel shame about
Omg the part that she talks about celebs not being honest about their procedures, I was just nodding my head all along, because celebs want to give out an image of being so good, and worried about mental health, and oh I love my fans, but they lie about what they've had done. And us girls are left thinking we're ugly because we didn't age that way.
It's your fault for worshipping celebrities. Don't rely on celebrities to dictate how you feel about yourself. Learn to love yourself. If they don't and change all their face, why should you copy their shame? That's ludicris!
@@halomerric8611 I basically agree. Celebs are strangers to us. Seeing them in 12-15 minutes on Jimmy Fallon or some other talk show promoting their latest project or goofing around with host doesn’t mean we KNOW them. Much of what they do in their public life is, to a significant degree, calculated based on what their fans might like to see. The result is they are popular, which translates to being able to continue doing what they do for a living and making great money at it.
Regarding uptick in plastic surgery during the pandemic, one of the main causes is excessive time spent on Zoom. People are spending tons of time staring at their own faces, and it's creating an epidemic of self-loathing. You suddenly see your thin lips, and eye bags, and loose neck folds... all things you didn't focus on in real life interactions. But spending hours online staring at your flaws drives one to want to do something to address these issues.
Both of your channels convinced me that a liplift will help ameliorate much of what went wrong with 3 prior surgeries. I still have a 23mm PHILTRUM! I had an auto implant, a vermillion border augmentation, then, a partial correction of both previous procedures. It has been since 2005 since the last revision. In the NE I think I'm looking at about 5K? Anyhow, wish me luck. I'm planning on seeing Dr. Linkov in a few months, for teleconsult, apparently, so I only have to travel to NYC for the surgery. I'm completely fine with this. I cant wait to meet him as well as having the surgery. He seems like a great guy, not a character of a "Great guy!"... Edit: botox twice-ooops, forgot about those;)
I think the big stimga around plastic surgery is because people are aiming towards "natural" over everything, we want that society looks at us as "natural". We can see the same thing in pregnancy (when people really compete what kind of birth they had), sports (fitness and olympics), work/job etc, that is why also drugs are so stigmatized (because "you should feel better without taking something in"). Society doesnt want to admit that it is not perfect since civilization (and the beggining of civilizations is the time when we moved away from nature - so in some way we always compete with it and want to reach it). We dont want to admit that the standard we set up for ourselves are not reachable in a "natural way". It is kind of a paradox. I hope I make sense and also that is my thought/opinion only.
I love hearing about the risks of procedures because I feel people are shot gunning their decisions to get something like fillers that are semi permanent
What Lorry said about why some people reject PS is very true. We seek improvement in many aspects of our life including intellect, spiritual wisdom etc so why is physical improvement stigmatised?
Because, when you reach spiritual wisdom and have enough intellect, you realise that your physical appearence is not as important as you thought.... You could also say, only shallow people care so much about theyre appearence, that they HAD to change it to feel good and in peace with themselfes... Not strong enough to cope with the natural shortcomings... Plus: We choose our partner for mating thru the nose (smell) and the eyes (beauty) - as all animals. When my eyes deceive me about your REAL biological fitness, (beauty reflects your biological fitness) because you underwent plastic surgery, I feel unconcious a little bit fooled. "You could be a ugly bitch with just enough plastic surgeries to make you beautifull"!! My biological programm dont like that :-) Thats said, the upper two are not my total conviction! I just want to explain why the majority of people see plastic surgery as a flaw (in character). P.S. For other self improvements YOU have always work HARD to get them! Like physical improvement, or intellectual. You have to invest hard work and much energy. Without that STRONG WILL and endurance you wont get the good outcome. And this strong will is ultimately admired by other people, when they see you fighting to get to your goal!! Thats COMPLETELY different with a plastic surgery ... YOU dont have much to do but pay a good surgeon. Not much effort there to be admired ...
@@klospike you couldn’t be more wrong in your generalizations. You probably aren’t much to look at if you’re being this judgey of others who choose to get surgery. Live and let others do what they want with their bodies, you don’t know what their individual stories are.
@@ALT-vz3jn Wow. You really just attacked someone’s appearance because they disagree with plastic surgery. This type of behavior is the reason ps shouldn’t be glamorized; it draws way too much attention to how we look than what we think and do. While this person made generalizations, you can’t deny that many people who get plastic surgery would likely not have gotten it if it wasn’t for people constantly critiquing people’s looks, just like you did here. People also tend to not admit to getting them, which leads to people shaming natural features for not matching the unrealistic surgical ones. It’s a vicious cycle that could stop if we started accepting ourselves instead of trying to change.
I knew ppl got work done but I was so amazed how many of my friends thought they were less than bc they couldn't get the body they saw on IG... I'm like" oh they get plastic surgery. " be easy on yourself
I think he's got all around classically handsome features. I love how different he looks. I only saw him with hair, just yesterday! On an ad somewhere, maybe his website? Anyway, I love this look.
This was a great talk, but I would like to add a different perspective on one thing. I went out of the country to have plastic surgery, BUT it wasn't because I couldn't afford surgery in the US. It was because the doctors where I had my procedures did things in a way that is different from the doctors in the US in terms of defining & sculpting shape and I wanted THAT! I looked high and low across the US for a doctor who I felt could deliver precisely what I was after and the doctors in the US that I saw were excellent surgeons, but NOT excellent artists and THAT is what I felt I wanted. When you are not a person who is looking to have the biggest this or the biggest that, BUT you want things in perfect, natural looking proportion, sometimes it is extremely hard to find a great surgeon that you feel comfortable with. I went all over the country and it wasn't until I started really looking outside of the US that I was able to find precisely what I wanted. Were there risks? Of course. There are risks with any plastic surgery procedure, however, the US doesn't have a perfect record and people die in the US from plastic surgery procedures. Since you are going to take the risk somewhere in the world, whether it is the US or somewhere else, you need to make sure you are getting what you want. Once you get outside of the US, you realize there are PLENTY of places around the world that have fantastic medical care and doctors that are top notch and see FAR MORE patients and have FAR MORE experience than many doctors in the US. The simple truth is that the aesthetic of the culture governs how the doctors craft their patients' bodies. Doctors in the US don't seem to sculpt the body as well as some other places in the world, in my opinion. I believe that is because the ideal aesthetic is just different here. I had a wonderful experience out of the country, but money was NEVER a factor in how I chose my surgeon. I would fly to the ends of the earth for a doctor who makes things look the way I want them to look safely.
@@ALT-vz3jn - There is nothing we do, as humans, that isn't risky! Everything is risky! Plastic surgery is risky. Driving a car is risky. Flying in a tin can with engines strapped to it is risky. Going outside of your home, especially these days, is risky. Sure a BBL is risky, but you find the best surgeons with the best techniques to mitigate that risk. I had lipo, a tummy tuck & a BBL. I was very concerned about making sure I had a normal-looking, natural-looking body & I searched far and wide to find the right surgical team to do that. They were wonderful and I walked away with a shape that isn't extreme, looks natural & proportional and looks good. There are always risks, but you have to take steps to mitigate the risk as much as you can and then do what needs to be done. You could have heart surgery and the surgeon die during the procedure! There are all kinds of risks to anything and everything we do!
I think plastic surgery is so stigmatized because honestly most people can't afford it or they are an older generation that kinda missed the boat. They gotta cope somehow. The medical advances available now are amazing. So many more people these days look so amazing. But it's not available to everyone. There are a lot of people who can't get regular medical care. Who doesn't want to look better? I promise everyone wants to be attractive. Its frustrating to know its possible to look better but only if you have money. I had to save up just to get under eye filler and lip filler. Im happy with it and my doctor has a program where you pay a monthly affordable payment toward all your treatments so you can keep up with your look easier. I wish everyone could be beautiful the way they want to
What older generation missed the boat??? Not a single human being alive today "missed the boat". There are people in their 90s who've had full, very pulled face-lifts with whom I've worked. My own mother is 85 and she had a full face lift when she was 50 (she's a narcissist, so she's all about how she looks), and it turned out beautifully. That was back in 1989. If by older generation you mean those older than a hundred years old, sure, it was rare 100 years ago. lol
@@le_th_ you sound extremely judgmental of people who have plastic surgery; calm down. I totally get what she was saying; the boomer generation did not get as much plastic surgery or cosmetic enhancements when it could have helped them look fresher longer because they were too old by the time these treatments became mainstream. I’m sure my daughter will eventually look younger than I do at my age because of treatment and technology advancements that will be available to her in the future!
@@ALT-vz3jn lol Calm down? Judgmental of people who've had plastic surgery? I don't even know where to begin with these inaccurate assumptions? Or are they projections? lol You're providing me with some serious laughter, though....or do I need to calm that down, too? Please tell me more about how I feel, oh great oracle...lol
Who missed the boat? I started getting collagen injections in the ‘90s before there were Restalyne, Sculptra, etc, then moving on to surgery a decade later. It’s just a bit of an over generalization, based on people whom I know.
Thanks! Yeah she originally included me in her video and people kept telling me about it. I then got in touch with Lorry and she’s the sweetest person ever.
@@drgarylinkov you both are such blessings to the yt community and are really educating people about plastic surgery. Also, both of your personalities are so pleasant and positive, so it's such a joy watching you. Keep making such amazing content and thank you for the heart!
I watch both of these channels, so it was nice to see them chat. I really appreciate hearing Lorry’s honesty and non-judgmental approach to surgery. I appreciate that they both speak about physical issues and insecurities they have personally experienced. It makes them relatable. Thanks! 👍👍
Got hooked on this pod because I wondered about plastic surgery. I love their common sense directness. One thing, ma’am were you swollen in this broadcast? It looked hard for you to smile where you were so engaging in other pods. Anyways, Thank you for bringing such an interesting topic to all of us!
Wow, you guys are going DEEP with the questions! "Why is plastic surgery stigmatized?" Very thoughtful answers. Questions I need to ask myself. Thank you both!💖
Dr. Gary seems like the plastic surgeon I would always like to have and I've been watching Lorry's channel since the beginning.This conversation keeps me great company. Too bad we live too far away ....
15:42 Lorry hit the nail on the head. A lot of people have spent time due to fear or lack of funds convincing themselves they like something that bothers them and plastic surgery feels like cheating.
We are not all supposed to look like celebrities! What is this need? Why would you expect that of yourself? Should we all also have the expectation that we are all as intelligent as an engineer? What are we doing about that?
Gosh, I don't want to sound like a creep, but when he smiles...great eyes. Saw a picture of him WITH hair. Still handsome, but his features really stand out WITHOUT it. That's all. Again, not a creep! LOL
I haven't googled a before, or watched the videos for long enough to have seen them but it definitely suits him: bit of a teenage Lex Luther vibe. Some guys just look better without (Patrick Stewart for example).
Other people: have filler/laser/surgery during pandemic. Me during pandemic: test out skincare and find the stuff that suits me + stress less = perfect skin
I love the fact that you both agree word of mouth is good, if people would just admit yes I had this done and my doctor was--. Go see him/her if you like my look. My friend has had several things done snd she has given me her opinion on different ones.
I love her channel I wish more people were open about the procedures they’ve had done. Wearing a mask is actually quite uncomfortable for me right now I just had a rhinoplasty 2 weeks ago and it hurts to put pressure on the tip like that.
permanent duck lips is exactly what it is. Looks so uncomfortable like they are struggling to keep the lips in the right place or like someone else lips are on there face
Looking at her overdone face is... painful. Sorry, not meant to be insulting, it's just that it is so visible, I wonder how people can live with this kind of awareness...
Love what Lorry ended with: "Plastic surgery is not going to change you inside, if there is something that can make you happy...try that first". Sage advise. And BTW: I think she should press charges on whomever that was that made those threats...that is illegal.
Great conversation. I think on the the looking good inside versus outside question: You can also decide, to a certain extent, how important your looks are to you. Like I know I'm not the best looking person out there, but I'm also not an actress or a model so I don't need to focus on it as much. I feel good about myself when I'm learning or when I'm doing good work. Obviously we are social creatures so of course we care about what people think. On the other hand it can also be unhealthy to place too much importance on it.
@@ALT-vz3jn Though sometimes it appears as counterproductive. I recall Kirk Douglas once commented on why actors would have a lot of procedures that sometimes limited their ability to commynicate with facial expressions. And that is a valid point. Imagine how much worse a lot of films would be if the actors would have to verbally state out loud they are sad, angry or whatever because they lost the ability to that subtle communication of mere facial expression. And obviously there are artists who wrecked their careers with overdoing surgeries (or maybe smaller jobs that nevertheless changed their whole appearance), I don't think they are happy in hindsight. The "you go girl!" approach can be destructive. And I also think that one important basis for when people tend to say someone looks errie or alien is just because of that vanished ability to change in facial expressions to indicate whether someone is friendly or hostile. Humans tend even to rate animals by such, we can detect the agreeability to us with dogs, cats horses etc while not so with certain other animals which we then tend to view as less agreeable (even among small children who have not been thaught which animals to stay away from). So be aware of that the dislike of extreme work may have a very deep rooted reason, perhaps often with an ignorant side to it, we tend to respect that animals that can display some sort of feelings also have them while less so for fish, reptiles and spiders who have limited ability to display their emotions and intentions in a way detectable to humans.
I don't support a lot of plastic surgery not because I wish I could do it myself but because there are so many beautiful and unique people in the world that I wish people would celebrate that beauty instead of trying to look like a Kartrashian... But I can understand in some people who feel deeply insecure about something getting a job done here and there. It just makes me sad when I see people who are obviously addicted to plastic surgery or feel as though it's a normal thing, because I don't think any major surgery is a normal thing for a human to go through.
The reason i got a facelift at 59 was because i didn't like how i looked. I don't recall being ignored or rejected for my looks. Maybe it was my securities from childhood because i recall being rated more by my looks as a young person. I was slim and considered cute or beautiful but people rate young women harshly and that stayed with me.
i think Gary looks very handsome with or without hair and no one can tell me otherwise. i just love watching his videos and learning about all this stuff even if i never want plastic surgery myself.
So... I can't imagine anyone being against plastic surgery because they secretly can't accept their own flaws. That sounds like the person who believes that those with negative feedback are just jealous of them and want to be them. Like no, generally when people don't like you it's not because they secretly want to be you lol. It's because they don't like you. In my opinion, there are a few reasons for the stigma. First, ps is usually (and has historically been) surrounded by dishonesty, and that "I'm aiming to be the prettiest but won't admit I needed to do anything or that I care enough about my looks to change them" attitude is off-putting. When people like Lorry embrace what they've done and how they feel in an honest way, it helps to lessen that unhealthy dynamic. I think for a lot of people, plastic surgery feels inherently inauthentic, and that can be disconcerting for some people (even though it's not for others). Building on that, there is the stigma that people who do it are shallow and attention seeking. And tbh, some of them are. They feel so insecure that they can't accept themselves as they are and have to flaunt their paid for looks in front of everyone else. IMO, this doesn't apply to people who just want subtle improvements to help with specific problems. As in, that stereotype reflects a certain ps patient, not all os patients. But a lot of people (especially deep thinking, down to earth people) often find that attention seeking, superficial energy to be really unlikable and immature. Probably some people resent it because they'll never be able to afford it, which is yet another privilege that betters the lives of people who are already better off. But I feel like that's a minority. Most admit they'd want it and just resent that they can't. There's also the ethical dilemma that the more society makes ps required for having a beautiful enough look, the more unachievable self acceptance and self esteem are for the bulk of the population, even extending to the expectations of potential romantic partners /relationships. And even if it were achievable for everyone (financially and health-wise), as a society, where have we gotten that in order to accept ourselves and others, everyone needs to cut themselves up and get new looks? It just feels wrong and unhealthy. My personal view is that everyone should be able to do what they want with their looks without fear or shame. If I had the funds and felt my body would handle the surgery well)l, I'd have loved to do some anti aging care in the next decade. But I also know how much our society pressures us, especially women, to look a certain way otherwise we're no longer seen and valued. And I KNOW that plays a role in most ps (like Lorry said, we don't exist in a vacuum). And I'm against that view and troubled by that playing a role in undergoing surgery. I feel like until we fight it and insist that women be seen, valued, and recognized as worthwhile and attractive regardless of age, race, facial structure, ability, etc we're just feeding a problem that negatively impacts everyone. And we can't fight that without brave women who insist on NOT changing themselves and NOT apologizing for themselves while also truly embracing themselves and telling society what's what. So overall, it's not black and white. There are a lot of issues at play, and at the end of the day, I think there's a place for both plastic surgery and societal reform, even though they are at odds in many ways. I think there are valid reasons people don't like the idea of plastic surgery or the way it presents in some people. But I also think there shouldn't be a stigma or shame just because someone gets ps. Like why do we need to be hurtful when there's no reason? Everyone should be allowed to make their own choices, find their own happiness, and not be judged-- as long as they're not hurting anyone
Thank you so much for this conversation. Ever since I’ve tuned into Lori - I feel so much better about beauty standards and realistic ideals around aging etc…
Ill tell you why its stigmatized. Because a lot of us are suffering financially. We want just basic health care. I need dental care and can not afford to fix my damaged teeth. Its infuriating to see others change their entire(already beautiful) face. Edit: I dont hate others for having surgery. But if I could just have a drop of that money they spent on something to botch their face I could have fixed my teeth. I could eat without pain. The working class is pissed that we have to suffer with our very real problems. Edit:not calling you or the girl in the video the super rich btw. Just trying to get others to understand. We dont have universal healthcare and its painful to see others with money doing all these procedures.
I really enjoyed this video; and, I learned a whole lot of "stuff" I didn't know before. Thank you for the honesty. Us peeps really appreciate that...umm but, ...I just kept trying to figure out what the h*ll was on her ceiling cuz ol' girl spent the entire video looking up & to the right. Kinda like off into space. I only mention it cuz I never before realized just how much of a difference eye contact or perceived eye contact actually makes in these videos. ✨ Oh,...and the face lift is GORGEOUS 😍. It really turned out On Point. 👍🏼
That’s so true what Lorry said, about fillers. I see a lot of girls with fillers in their cheeks, jaws, chin etc but they don’t think about long term and the migration. Their goal is the insta face short term. I do look forward to midlife sex in the city! When you look good, people expect you to keep on looking good. I get compliment all the time about my looks but i would rather have a compliment on other qualities tbh. I’m almost 44 and never had Botox and never go to a beauty salon nothing, only lipfiller one time a year or 2 years. I want to stay as natural as possible, don’t want to give in to pressure! If i do something, i do it for me, like my lips. I wanted my lips bigger since i was 14 yo. Where i live, people that do a lot of these things are not taken very seriously, stigma for sure! Even my own doctor was shocked i had lipfillers😳 She said; O? That’s so modern.. I thought, under which rock do you live? Lol. Very old fashion i think, that’s ok but it does show that they do think it’s “normal” to go for a facelift after the age of 60 but not lipfiller when you are younger.. Yess! Know your strengths and your limits! That gives so much trust imo
But regardless of getting things done now there WILL be a time when you really AGE and all the treatments will be nill. And the doctor has Alopecia and my younger son got it when he was 4 and never got it back. It was hard for him but he’s just beautiful as you are too!
HI Zui, I'm glad that you are happy with your nose. I saw the best plastic surgeon in San Francisco back in 1991--Dr. Bruno Von Ristow--and he did a beautiful job on my nose, which had some pretty awful bone "wings" on the sides and other peculiarities. The plastic surgery freed me from the mirror--judging my poor nose!
Aesthetic surgeries are stigmatized b/c people feel like it's cheating (akin to using steroids to gain muscle mass). The new / better aesthetic seems like an ill-gotten gain. Personally, it's your body. Do what you want and what makes you happy. Tattoos, piercings, surgery, etc.
i think lorry is spot on with her psychological analysis of ppl hating on plastic surgery: ppl dont allow themself to do it, because they dont allow themself to admit that yes they also are superficial and want validation from others and are not so enlightened that they could unconditionally love themselfs even if the whole world rejects them. that is the shadow part that many dont want to face, espacially in todays toxic positivity and "just practice selflove" world. and since they cant face their own shadow about it, they project onto others and attack them for going for the surgery. i agree with holly. i mean why else would somebody get so triggered about what others do with their bodies that you wqould go so far as to threaten their life? that is crazy
I totally disagree. I felt she really had no understanding of the other perspective and came up with something silly. In my opinion, there are a few reasons for the stigma. First, ps is usually (and has historically been) surrounded by dishonesty, and that "I'm aiming to be the prettiest but won't admit I did anything or care about my looks enough to change them" attitude is off-putting. When people like Lorry embrace what they've done and how they feel in an honest way, it helps to lessen that unhealthy dynamic. Then there is the stigma that people who do it are shallow and attention seeking. And tbh, some of them are. They feel so insecure that they can't embrace themselves as they are and have to flaunt their paid for looks in front of everyone else. IMO, this doesn't apply to people who just want subtle improvements to help with specific problems. As in, that stereotype reflects a certain ps patient, not all os patients. But a lot of people (especially deep thinking, down to earth people) often find that attention seeking, superficial energy to be really unlikable and immature. There's also the ethical dilemma that the more society makes ps required for having a beautiful enough look, the more unachievable self acceptance and self esteem are for the bulk of the population, and it also impacts the expectations of possible romantic interests/relationships. And even if it were achievable for everyone (financially and with health-wise), as a society, where have we gotten that in order to accept ourselves and others, everyone needs to cut themselves up and get new looks? It just feels wrong and unhealthy. My personal view is that everyone should be able to do what they want with their looks without fear or shame. If I didn't have health issues that make elective surgery a bigger deal than normal, I'd love to do some anti aging care. But I also know how much our society pressures us, especially women, to look a certain way otherwise we're no longer seen and valued. And I KNOW that plays a role in most ps (like Lorry said, we don't exist in a vacuum). And I'm against that view and troubled by that playing a role in undergoing surgery. I feel like until we fight it and insist that women be seen, valued, and recognized as worthwhile and valuable regardless of age, race, facial structure, income, etc we're just feeding a problem that negatively impacts everyone. And we can't fight that without brave women who insist on NOT changing themselves and NOT apologizing for themselves while also truly embracing themselves and telling society what's what. So overall, it's not black and white. There are a lot of issues at play, and at the end of the day, I think there's a place for both plastic surgery and societal reform, even though they are at odds in many ways. I think there are valid reasons people feel resentful about those who get ps, but I also think there shouldn't be a sigma or shame just because someone got ps. Like why do we need to be hurtful when there's no reason? Everyone should be allowed to make their own choices and not be judged as long as they're not hurting anyone
Love this “collab” so to speak. You both influence me to stop and think deeply before I do anything cosmetically. While simultaneously reality checking us before comparing our features to celebrities.
My opinion about the stigmatisation is that people revere those who won the genetic lottery, and believe that those who do are allotted special privileges. Obviously pretty privilege is a sticky topic. There is definitely a known difference between how conventionally attractive people are treated in society vs those who are not. But the privileges are hardly tangible, and it’s almost like a pseudo-power especially for women. So when women want to change themselves to be treated better or to avoid being treated poorly for how they look, people get upset because it pokes holes in the upheld societal belief that how you look says anything about you and how you deserve to be treated.
Hi Cee, You bring up a great point: privilege attached to beautiful people. There are many peer-reviewed studies on this subject in professional journals. A recent study shows that beautiful realtors can command a higher price for a listing than someone who is not beautiful. In my own life, I have seen the way that society has judged and treated me based on looks. In my youth I was not attractive, and I was either bullied or ignored. After facial and body plastic surgery as a young woman, I was granted all sorts of privileges and opportunities. Beauty does open doors and can make your life easier with the advantages that are offered to you.
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. My own sister screamed bloody murder after I had my nose job, calling me fake. Then, after she earned enough money, she had a nose job. Ha.
my favorite Lorry youtube video. Also, Dr. Linkov's office is near my office--I'm earmarking his website for a future consult--when the right time comes. Such a nice conversation.
I belive its still so stigmaized becuse we are getting mixed messages all the time, and that much of the hate towards people how get plastic surgery (esp celebrities) comes from the notion that all they do is adding to the problem of people feeling ugly and insecure. If you don´t have a ton of money to change they way you look and you see celebrities you find beautiful change themselfs to look ike everybody else who got money to look like that I can imagen it makes you feel a tremenous amont of resentment.
It is soooooo easy to figure out why plastic surgery is stigmatized. When you see ppl overdoing it, becoming addicted, and turning into freaks, then you look at the plastic surgery world like a half joke. Some ppl do go in for little nips and tucks but when you see the psychological tire fires going in for multiple surgeries and their doctors allowing it, that’s why it’s hard to take it very seriously. Celebrities are a good example of ppl who make it seem laughable. But mad respect just so you know
Lorry, we all get to see a different side of your lovely self , in this video chat, sans perfect lighting, perfect angle and perfect makeup. Interesting and revealing.
