Plastic Tipped Bullets?

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Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I read a response from a listener about plastic-tipped bullets.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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@thomasdaum1927 Год назад

Started using ballistic tips in the mid to late 80s when they first came out . Very accurate !…….. Thanks Ron .

@FraserFir-sb4lk Год назад

Nosler introduced the Ballistic Tip line of bullets in 1984. The Winchester/Nosler joint venture called Combined Technology released the Lubalox coated Ballistic Silver Tip in 1997. The Accubond line hit the market in 2003.

@gregjones2217 Год назад

For hunting I've used Nosler partitions since I discovered them in the earlier sixties. Still do with no complaints.

@derekmcmurry Год назад

My first experience with plastic tipped bullets was in 1992 with the Nosler Btips

@turkeyman27534 Год назад

The Remington bronze tips did a damn fine jobs on whitetails in Easter NC

@tripplebeards3427 12 дней назад

Use them and love them! Ballistic tips are my favorite for Predator hunting. Vmax is right behind them.

@Justin-nx5ou Год назад

Ron thanks for your insite! Still a living legend in my opinion

@beestoe993 Год назад

Interesting video Ron, love the historic insight. I have found that the performance of plastic tipped bullets has a LOT of variation due to their specific construction. Moreso than lead tips. Some fragment violently while others hold together extremely well. Your mileage will most definitely vary.

@ScogginsOutdoors Месяц назад

For 308 PRS, you can't beat ADI Sierra Tipped Matchking 168gr. Supersonic out to 1000 yards. Made in Australia and pricey, but WOW! For those long-range shots on the steel, this stuff delivers!

@chrishill1286 Год назад

I had a rotting box it was so old of the bronze tip expanding Remington, It dropped an antelope from my 270 with a Leupold 4x at 440 paces encircled by does so I had an upper neck shot. 270 was sighted in for 300. so I put it on his chin. Friend with me watched the shot and all the way home my friends little boy like five or six repeated his fathers words, that puppy dropped like a rock Chris. LOL we laughed all the way home. I have some 357 loaded with the Hornady ftx but they reside in a cylinder and I have not tried them yet. I do know plastics can be blended and hardened to be resilient and having an anvil driving back to open the core worked in the bronze tip!

@devonplant6742 4 месяца назад

I can't speak on other brands, but Ive used Nosler BT from day 1. And I have never had their plastic tip lose its edge or become damaged. Love that bullet. Will trust it until I die!

@tombeyer375 Год назад

At a gun show, in the mid 80's, I bought 100 rds of 7mm Remington Magnum, loaded with the 150 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. I couldn't have been happier with the performance, in a scoped Remington model 700. Bagged a nice white tail buck, at 225 yards. Buck was standing broadside and uphill, with its legs swept back a little. Buck went over like a ton of bricks. Bullet hit right front leg, got ribs, boiler room, ribs on the other side and broke left front leg. Base was slightly separated from the tip, but really great expansion. When skinning, found the bullet just inside the skin of the left front leg (usually you don't find the bullet)!!! Cleaned all the yuck off the bullet, and it's a conversation piece!! For whatever it's worth!!

@inpersuit2248 Год назад

Norma also made a plastic or nylon tip. If I emember correctly it was from grandfather's 8x57 that was in the early 80's and the ammo was probably considerably older. I still have the rifle and use it regularly.

@jeffreyhall838 8 месяцев назад

Nice video Ron!...thanks

@theodorepolanowski5359 Год назад

Have been using them in 7mm08 for years great bulllet

@turkeyman27534 Год назад

I normally find the polymor trips inside the animal. Its.job was done do the rest of the bullet expanded.

@clintonlayne9253 Год назад

Ron I smiled when you mentioned Remington bronze tipped.. when I bought my 270 in 1986 I bought 2 boxes of the Bronze tipped ammunition. I still have a box of them yet. I wonder if there any good.

@aldenfloyd5432 Год назад

I remember my father having some Dominion plastic tip .303 British shells, and his comment about them was there was an exit hole big enough to put you fist through, in the side of the deer.

@garyglenn5233 Год назад

I've never tried any of the polymer tipped bullets but the Remington Bronze Tip in a 130 gr 270 Winchester was good ammo. I always mostly used the CoreLokt ammo from Remington in all of the rifles I've used over the years. They were the most common and a little cheaper than the other brands up here in the NC mountains. I even had a box of 170 gr 30-30 flat nosed ammo one time. I can't even remember what brand they were now because that was around 30 years ago, but they were better on deer than the usual RN 170 gr ammo that I always used. Up here the average shot is under 100 yrds so bullet style or caliber didn't make any difference. It's even more grown over now so even a 100 yrd shot is long. Most of the time it's 50 yrds and under. At the short distances we have now I'm wanting to try handgun hunting. With the right bullet I think I can take one with my 4" 45 acp. I'll go for a head shot so it's either a instant kill or a miss. I'm pretty sure that with 160 to 180 gr bullets I can take a shoulder shot with dad's 4" 357 mag. If I'm not sure, I'll just take a bead on the ol noggin. The last deer I took was a head shot with a 12 gauge 1 oz slug and it was like it'd been hit by the fist of Zeus. I've never seen a deer drop quite like that. No meat loss and an instant kill. That's my kinda hunting.

@dormanlong9619 Год назад

Head shots are NOT an instant kill or a miss!!! I have found more than one big game animal dead with the bridge of the nose or the lower jaw hit which did not allow the animal to eat. They died horrible a death. The same goes for neck shots. Spine was missed but esophagus was again not allowing the animal to eat. Both head and neck shots have a small vital area and a miss leaves a wounded animal to die a lingering death. Heart lung is a much bigger target with a better margin for error.

@luvtahandload7692 Год назад

@@dormanlong9619 agreed 💯. Gary Glenn is a little misguided. If he keeps doing that he will find out the hard way some day.

@tonywoconish6695 Год назад

🗣as a kid of the 1960’s I remember paying $5 for a BRICK of Remington 500 bullets : .22LR for my Mossberg bolt action rifle. SEMPER FI 🇺🇸🤠

@ronladuke7235 Год назад

I remember the saber tip when I was a kid in the 1960s . I think think they got a reputation for sometimes not expanding and I don’t know if that killed the sales for them or not?

@Threegunmaster Год назад

Ron showing that old box was really cool, I've always liked old and odd ammo boxes. Thanks for another great video sir.

@mic982 2 месяца назад

A good number of years back I threw out a bunch of old ammo boxes; Remington, Winchester, Peters, you name it. It wasn't a month later that I attended a gun show where dealers were buying them in just about any condition - as long as they were at least partially intact. It was then I realized how much $ I had tossed away completely ignorant as to their collectible value. Live and Learn...

@teedermcdribble Год назад

I left 6 of the 30-30 leverloution in my marlin for a few weeks and when I took them out the tips were really mushed from being in the tubular mag so long. Thanks for the great vids.

@jacka55six60 Год назад

Federal offered a 50gr tipped .223 about 15 years ago. Reviews were all positive and many stated it was under priced. I still have some and it's the most accurate factory ammo I've tried in my bolt.

@francismacomber4650 Год назад

In 1987, I shot a white tailed deer at about 100 yards, dead square in the chest with a 165 grain, 30 cal from a 3006. It was a Nosler ballistic tip. The bullet blew up on the breast bone and did not penetrate. Fortunately, the deer turned sideways and I was able to put another through the lungs. Epic fail! After that, I went to partition bullets and never looked back. I don’t care how much ballistic voodoo they use, I will never again use a plastic tipped bullet for hunting large game.

@brianholthouse1426 Год назад

I had the same experience with a 150 gr in my 06, drilled a mule deer in the heart lung broadside. I shot the deer the next morning, it barely made it into one lung. I now use accubonds and have never found one , all have exit and leave a good blood trail if they dont drop on the spot. I still use ballistic tips on varmits.

@michaelotto8696 Год назад

Long time (since some time in the 80s) Nosler BT user in 30/06. I do recall that minimizing recoil damage in the magazine was one of the selling points. My belief is that plastic tip offers much more on the performance side as opposed to a conventional, all lead bullet. So much so that it outweighs the magazine damage point. That plastic insert effectively transforms it into a "glorified" hollow point, enhancing almost instant expansion on contact. I often find pieces of that tip right at the entry hole on deer sized game. Bullet balance, weight for weight is certainly different, again more like a hollow point vs a regular bullet. In the early versions of those Noslers I actually reduced some loads to minimize game damage at closer ranges. Still a great bullet, they've been "toughened up" a bit. Shoot 'em side by side with a spire point in the same weight from the same manufacturer and you'll see.

@user-bq7ol3mi7f 7 месяцев назад

Hi Ron. Love the information. You've saved me loads of time and probably money by sharing what you know about hunting. Recently I bought a .308 winchester that was on sale and I didn't expect much right out of the box, but I did expect that at 200 yards I could easily keep a 3" group without changing the scope and/or ammo. I sighted in at 100 yds no problem with 5 shot groups and increased to 200 yards. My first 5 shots were completely off the page, a 12 inch target! I stopped and inspected my ammo and found that the soft point 150 grain bullets I was using had fractures in the lead soft point and could easily flake off using my thumb. After finding 3 rounds that seemed to be unaffected I made a 3" group on page without changing anything about my setup! My theory is that the fractured lead points were flying off mid flight making them behave erratically. Have you experienced this and are polymer tipped bullets or monolithic the answer to this problem?

@randallrouse Год назад

I've had silver tips and bronze points zip through a deer- unless you hit bone. Sometimes they would explode on exit.

@heyjohnson5535 Год назад

Saw this video and gave it a quick click. My first thought was the 5.7x28mm the first 8 years of having the gun all i ever found was those blue tipped hornady bullets i guess they call em fragmentation tips but took me forever to find actual fmj ammo for it. No recoil from that pistol to ruin a bullet in the bottom of the mag. Thats a gun u can hold on target and jnload the entire mag without resetting

@JamesJones-cx5pk Год назад

I reloaded .270 Ballistic Tips back in highschool (1988-92). I thought I had the coolest bullets in school. They were accurate and hammered deer. For the past 20 years Ive been shooting .308 SST's. They are quick mushrooming same as the BT's. Same thing, bang flop.👍.

@raykasa7679 Год назад

Back in the 60's Remington made a bronze tip bullet & Winchester made a silver tip bullet which did away with the lead tip. They were supposed to be long range bullets that didn't deform in the magazine.

@actionjksn 9 месяцев назад

That plastic tip is replacing lead. So it can maintain a good ballistic coefficient, without that tip being lead. It probably also smashes in when it hits game with what's left doing a lot of damage. You do have to make sure you don't damage the plastic though.

@pepepepert Год назад

I've got some Dominion .300 savage plastic tips that I still use for my model 99

@jonathanmitchell3733 Год назад

I only load two rounds in my rifle. So the second one's point does not bump up against the magazine when the first one is in the chamber (Tikka and mauser m18). My old Browning x-bolts magazine used to hold the rounds by the shoulder, so their tips never got damaged, but there the .270win recoil acted like a bullet puller again.

@michaelwilson9986 Год назад

I maybe mistaken here but..I have read that Sabra if spelled right.. was the same tip as the Remington Bronze Points.. Remington got the rights to it for US. . But gotta watch what one reads on the web. I have read that Nosler got the ideal to do plastic polymer 6:04 tips from the ol Bronze Points. I have some of them n a few Silvertip never have got to shoot anything with em. S&B has a similar HPC but dosent import them here.

@JohnThreeTwelve Год назад

I wish someone would put bronze tips back in some of the rounds, like in the 80s and 90s. Best bullets (overall performance) I've ever shot....specifically in .270 Win. I'd love to see a 140gr Accubond, with a bronze tip.

@elgato9534 Год назад

This always puzzles me. Ron hits it on the head. Any experienced shooter knows about recoil deformation in magazines. It's why Speer used blunt points on its Grand Slams. Bronze Points. Solid copper bullets are pretty much immune.

@michaelangelo6217 Год назад

Speer hunting bullets are some of the best value in the industry that have always performed very well for me compared to others that cost 2-3 times as much.

@DaveL9170 Год назад

I have used plastic tipped bullets for almost 20 years in various forms. Zero issues whatsoever. Literally none. You’re making a mountain out of nothing.

@maxmccain8950 Год назад

One word of caution when using tipped bullets in AE’s. The feed ramps on most AR’s are gaily steep. I’ve seen the tip break off while feeding. I don’t use them in mine.

@1akmason 5 месяцев назад

The only problem with 17 HMR with the poly tip when it comes to small game 50 feet it tends to blow the animals head up literally nothing left

@georgegarcia884 Год назад

Bronze point the best 3006 150&180 grains perfect

@davidonmars Год назад

I have some of those 303 dominion/cil.

@tyler2260 9 месяцев назад

I recently purchased some barnes and some hornady plastic tips for reloading 270 win, the hornadys plastic tips are very well centered but the barnes are visibly off center. Does anyone know if this lack of concentricity at the tip will affect accuracy or aerodynamics?

@donaldanderson3249 Год назад

I've got some Winchester 270's with aluminum tips, the silver tips in 130gr

@kevinroberts781 Год назад

Plastic tip pointy bullets move faster through time.

@jordanbrits3732 Год назад

Ron have you used sierra bullets? I am thinking about getting tipped game king for my .30-06, .223 and my .260.

@martinaddison1461 Год назад

Well when it comes down to it people will shoot whatever works for them and I have been using ballistic tip for years load my own nosler and Hornady and had great success with them and have killed many deer with them I am 66 if it works don’t mess with success

@user-po9hy9th7w 3 месяца назад

... CIL Dominion made Sabre Tip ammo in the 60s

@untermench3502 Год назад

One good feature of the plastic tipped bullets is to identify the type of bullet loaded in the cartrige.

@eugenegress5896 6 месяцев назад

Remember the ORIGINAL Ballistic Tip, I'm talking , the Rememington Bronze point?

@henryrynkowski3643 Год назад

I have the 450 marlin and 308 express leverlution ammo could you talk on how they are for hunting

@lilbearnaisen8916 Год назад

What happens to the "plastic tip" does it disintegrate into the animal or does it get pushed back into the bullet?

@andreasgauckler3152 Год назад

Come on Ron, the RWS H-Mantel Kupferhohlspitz is around longer than all of those plastic tips, silver tips and bronze tips. Maybe it didn't make it to the US at that time.

@glhx2112 Год назад

Well darn, now I want some of that ammo for my 270. 7X57 Mauser would be nice too, but all i see is 7X57R.

@billclifton8400 Год назад

The plastic tip bullets get damaged in the magazine almost worse than the lead in my experience. They really get damaged in my short mag in lightweight rifle with a lot of recoil. That said I've done multiple kills at 400+ yards with it still minute of deer kill zone at that distance.

@kurtbogle2973 Год назад

I wasn't going to say anything, but it just wouldn't be right. When the M16 came out it was referred to as the Mattel toy, The plastic rifle. So it seems obvious to me that when you see a plastic rifle on the horizon, that plastic tipped bullets can't be far behind. Lol It's just my point of view.

@tomdavis1694 Год назад

Nosler 30-06 165gr BTips for deer user here

@michaelmeyers1827 Год назад

Hornady makes them too

@russellaultman8866 Год назад

To stop tip damage glue in a piece of rubber in the tip end of the magazine.

@brianbelliveau5551 Год назад

What is the advantage to the polymer tip bullets?

@DeeMoback Год назад

The lead tips get reformed during flight.....the spin and friction fixes the problem....talk to ELR shooter

@duane356 Год назад

HPBT's work just fine.

@draweme05 Год назад

Those skin's on your wall look familiar. Where did you get them?

@creightonsmith5333 Год назад

Something I have never fully understood is caliber vs actual diameter of bullets. Why is a bullet with a diameter of .284 called a 7mm when 7mm = .275? And the. .270 is actually .277 which is much closer to .275 or 7mm?? Who comes up with these classifications?

@actionjksn 9 месяцев назад

I think they are measuring the diameter of the bore instead of the bullet. I think on some they measure the bore to the insides of the rifling.

@jamessmith-hq5mr Год назад

I shot a deer with a 270 ballistic tip and it just stood there like nothing happened. I chambered another round and made what appeared to be a second perfect shot. After a brief moment, the deer just casually trotted off. I looked and looked and looked but never found a single drop of blood even though I knew my scope was dead on. Long story short, darkness fell and I got turned around, got somewhat lost and eventually ended up on a gas line and by sheer accident stumbled across the deer. When I skinned him, the two shots were touching each other and hit the heart and lungs. The bullets still had the tips and didn't expand at all. That was the first and last time I used them.

@bgsmember3650 Год назад

At what range were your shots? Just curious.

@jamessmith-hq5mr Год назад

@@bgsmember3650 70ish yards

@actionjksn 9 месяцев назад

Your gun sounds like it's very weak. You should probably get something better if you're going to shoot deer.

@randallrouse Год назад

Norma was using them in the 70s

@willsatozlife4359 Год назад

I have yet to use plastic tip bullets. I do not know why, maybe the price.

@davehamilton2367 Год назад

I used Nosler Ballistic Tips in 1985.

@heyjohnson5535 Год назад

I was born in october of that same year... 4 years later though i had my first gun for christmas and was shooting it the next day.

@Tony_Seed Год назад

I used nosier ballistic tips in 1984.

@timturner7609 Год назад

Back in the late 80s early 90s was there an "acid tip" bullet? I feel like I saw it in a guns and ammo magazine in a waiting room. It was a green or maybe yellow plastic tip. I'm so sure I remember it. But I probably was barely able to read. Or I'm just mixing memories

@actionjksn 9 месяцев назад

They banned the acid tip bullets everywhere except Iran, because they were too dangerous. The acid would eat through the flesh and cause great pain and suffering. The acid also cause them to eat through all types of armor on contact. Well except for acid-proof armor, which is very expensive and toxic. Even North Korea banned it because it's just too mean and inhumane so Kim jung-il said no way.

@billgraham5387 Год назад

Imperial sabre tips were garbage. Shots at 100yds with them at a target, you'd see dust all the way target , tips would fly off.

@shanerRC Год назад

The first deer I ever shot was with 22-250 and reloads with Nosler Ballistic tips in 1983. They were terrible hunting bullets and I got lucky.

@brentbusick2245 Год назад

That’s because the Nosler BT in 22 caliber were made for varmints not deer

@shanerRC Год назад

@@brentbusick2245 They are labeled as a varmint bullet now. Back then they were fairly new and not described as anything but a bullet. Lots of people thought the tip helped with a nice controlled expansion. We quickly learned that was not the case and stopped using them for hunting.

@actionjksn 9 месяцев назад

@@shanerRCThat 22-250 was specifically designed for taking monkeys and possum, not deer.

@jimdavis3273 Год назад

Ron since you won't run down polymer tipped bullets, I will.😅 I have had problems (well maybe not exactly a problem) with them before. Back in the mid 80s I was looking for some ammo for my 30-06 and all I could at the time was a box of Remington 150gr ballistic tips so I grab them because the next morning I was going deer hunting. I shot a small 3x3 muley buck the next morning and I put my shot a little farther back than I wanted to from the left front shoulder. To make a long story short I ended up losing that entire left rib cage because it was so blood shot and I didn't get the penetration I normally got with 180gr bullets. But I guess I shouldn't complain too much, I got my deer even though I did lose a fair bit of meat.

@sstrongman1667 Год назад

You don't think they have improved them in 50 years?

@danielrobey1759 Год назад

12 years ago, give or take, I shot a mule deer with a 7mm/08 encore pistol using a 120 gr ballistic tip, 180 or so yards… never again! I hit it in the back of the neck at the base of the skull and it was bloodshot clear down the length of the loins. He was on an incline facing away from me, I remember being so happy expecting no lost meat because of the shot placement, I couldn’t believe it when I skinned him… Pretty much the only thing I hunt with now are Speer hot core bullets and am very satisfied with the results.

@danielrobey1759 Год назад

@@sstrongman1667 the only real improvement has been the trend toward monolithic bullets. Granted there are some bonded poly tipped bullets but I don’t see them as a literal improvement considering that the price nearly doubled. No thanks I’ll use the hot core Speer bullets at moderate speeds and the Barnes ttsx is the hot rod rounds…

@brentbusick2245 Год назад

⁠@@danielrobey1759you don’t think that the Accubond is an improvement over the BT? Really?

@tbo2307 Год назад

Shooting plastic out in the wild is not something I like to do. It’s a tiny tip, but it’s the principle. Plastic lasts forever. Plastic shotshells are of course much worse. I wonder when the first environmently friendly tip will be introduced?

@bgsmember3650 Год назад

Lead is arguably worse, but still a valid point.

@paulsimmons5726 Год назад

Ron, it’s amazing how many times new things are introduced to the market but, with a bit of investigation, we realize someone had been using the same idea decades before. Just because you don’t know the history of the newest “best” round doesn’t mean that a big time ammunition manufacturer hasn’t simply repackaged it with a new name. Regardless of the hype, there’s very few totally new rounds that have hit the shelves over the last 3 or 4 decades, a great deal of repackaging with the neck angles slightly altered but at the end of the day, not much new stuff! Plastic tips fall under this category, someone was doing it decades before it was reintroduced. Yeah, if you can’t come up with something original, recycle a great idea that another individual or company has already proven!