Plato's dialogue, the Lysis - Introduction to Philosophy

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In this session from my Fall 2013 Introduction to Philosophy class at Marist College, we begin our study bearing on topics of love, friendship, and desire by focusing specifically on one of Plato's early, aporetic dialogues, the Lysis, in which the central theme is the nature of friendship.
We start by a bit of discussion of the structure, characters, and setting of the dialogue, and some pointers on how to "read between the lines" when approaching a Platonic dialogue. Then, we explore some of the various models of love or friendship set out in the course of the dialogue -- hitting on topics like love as infatuation, the love of a responsible caregiver, love for things one is passionate about, friendship or love as stemming from need and usefulness, friendship as mutual love or affection, friendship based on commonality or similarity, who can be friends with whom. . . and we finish by introducing the notion of the "congenial" (to oikeion) or "befitting".
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@thyself8004 3 года назад

I just read this dialogue and as I was nearing the end I just started dying laughing at how absolutely absurd and confusing the whole thing became. What got me was when he said “So the friend is friend of its friend for the sake of a friend, on account of its enemy”

@GregoryBSadler 3 года назад

Well, glad you got something out of it

@TannerCLynn 6 месяцев назад

These videos have been an invaluable help as I make my way through all of Plato’s Dialogues. Lysis was especially abstract

@GregoryBSadler 6 месяцев назад

Glad it was helpful for you

@GregoryBSadler 11 лет назад

We dive in to our first text for the Introduction to Philosophy class -- grappling with the questions of what love and friendship are and how they work

@GregoryBSadler 11 лет назад

Yeah. . . it wouldn't occur to me to shut any of these Marist kids down -- they generally are a bit shy about talking anyway, so I want to foster their involvement as much as I can. Glad you enjoyed this video in particular. Interesting to find out that it makes sense even without having read the text

@Thorword 11 лет назад

Never read any of Plato's dialogues, but I watched the whole thing and enjoyed it (and was surprised to hear the Japanese dog, Hachi, get a quick mention). Definitely my favourite video from you so far. Kudos for never shutting any of the kids down--I felt a sort of vicarious sense of accomplishment for them every time they contributed and you went on to elaborate on their statements--and 'hell yeah' irt to '70s/'80s metal. Keep up the good work!

@MrLethivic 7 лет назад

Your videos are great , Greg. You're a damn good teacher.. Greetings from Brazil

@GregoryBSadler 7 лет назад

Thanks!

@jaimesandoval1988 11 лет назад

Without this lecture I would have been lost in this piece. Your final question was deep and got thinking. Great as usual.

@noneckmongoose5549 4 года назад

I've gotten into the wisdom of the ancient world recently. I began reading philosophy books on my own and your lectures have been an excellent source to fill in the gaps of what I didn't understand or misunderstood. Much appreciated!

@GregoryBSadler 4 года назад

Glad they're useful for you

@GregoryBSadler 11 лет назад

Glad it was helpful!

@GregoryBSadler 11 лет назад

Thanks!

@RebNegru 6 лет назад

Thank you for the video!!

@jaimesandoval1988 11 лет назад

Great. I love it.

@GregoryBSadler 11 лет назад

If what you're asking is whether I'm uploading them with a direct feed to youtube, No. If what you're asking is whether we're actually getting them uploaded in a timely manner, as opposed to the lag-time in previous semesters, Yes. It's much better for my students to have them available to them soon after I actually shoot them in class. I've now got a Mac, so that becomes much easier for me to do

@annamastro3534 2 года назад

thank you for explaining this to me because I was completely lost.

@GregoryBSadler 2 года назад

You're welcome!

@Cristian-Lascu 11 лет назад

very nice !

@steffieboy400 3 года назад

Great vid and very insightful because I couldn't grasp the text fully at the first read. Will reread it soon.

@GregoryBSadler 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful for you

@RainyDay_xoxo 6 лет назад

I want to use this lecture as a source for part of ,for lack of better a better term (profielwerkstuk in Dutch), high school thesis. I was wondering in what way you would want to be appropriately credited? And thank you for posting this kind of stuff on youtube, it's a joy to listen to for me.

@GregoryBSadler 6 лет назад

I think there are some bibliographical conventions for how to cite a video. I would just use those. Glad you enjoy the videos!

@xyoungdipsetx 7 лет назад

What part or where can I look into of Plato in the arena and they would workout. What's that called

@GregoryBSadler 7 лет назад

Are you asking about the gymnasium?

@xyoungdipsetx 7 лет назад

YES the gymnasium

@xyoungdipsetx 7 лет назад

How can I learn more of this in depth?

@GregoryBSadler 7 лет назад

I have a number of other videos on Plato. Or, you could take a class. I also offer tutorial services, and if you're interested in that, here's my page - reasonio.wordpress.com/tutorials/

@jaimesandoval1988 11 лет назад

Huh. Are you uploading your class lectures as you are currently teaching them?

@xyoungdipsetx 7 лет назад

Around what years did this take place

@GregoryBSadler 7 лет назад

The dialogue may never have actually taken place. If it did occur, it was probably sometime towards the end of the 5th century BCE

@RebNegru 6 лет назад

In Aristotle E.N, we have 3 types of friendship. Here in Lysis, how many types of friendship we have here?

@GregoryBSadler 6 лет назад

Did you watch the video or read the text? I think you'll find the answer

@RebNegru 6 лет назад

Yes, you explain it, but its strange because in book from Romanian, I don t find some kinds of friendship. Constantin Noica - Plato Vol II, Lysis.

@RebNegru 6 лет назад

Constantin Noica speak about external mobiles from 218 d to 220 e, and internal mobile 220 e to 221 d, He speak about 5 types of friendship and 2 are included in 1.

@RebNegru 6 лет назад

I think I will go on your hand and I will explain in my exam 8 types of friendship.

@Km0577 3 года назад

How do I gain admittance to your school?ahah

@GregoryBSadler 3 года назад

What school?

@andrewweightman137 10 лет назад

Why is Socrates so black and white? Don't all people fall into the category of neither good or bad? Even the inherently good or bad person still contains some of the opposite so aren't we both? Also rather than a friend being congenial, could a friend be described as someone who's character and traits are complementary to your own, and likewise? So that there is a give and take but not in the utilitarian sense of usefulness? Or is friendship a state of mind we can achieve with any human?

@GregoryBSadler 10 лет назад

Well, for starters. . . can you actually engage in argument and investigation without assuming some things at least (provisionally, understanding you're generalizing, etc.) to actually be opposites? Socrates isn't drawing conclusions in this aporetic dialogue, now is he? You're going to find that Plato will often have Socrates make arguments that contain some flaws when he's engaged with weaker interlocutors. But, engaging in the old "things can be grey" line isn't really going to bring much to the conversation -- you could probably assume that Socrates and Plato probably thought about the sorts of points you're raising. So, you want to think about why he leads his young interlocutors -- and the reader -- through all those different discussions about friendship. . .

@andrewweightman137 10 лет назад

Ahh I see. This makes sense now, thanks Greg.

@shylockmaximus3861 7 лет назад

I have always known about Plato but have never read the dialogs or any other books/lectures/papers before today. I am 31 years old. I have now read Euthyphro, Apology and like half of Crito in the last hour or two. His work has already had unfathomable effects on me. I can feel it inside of my brain and I would say it compares to someone who finds Jesus or Muhommed or whoever when you are right on the brink of self-destruction. It is a profound fucking experience. I am "laymen" for lack of a better term with no university and no philosophy tutor and no physical hard copy of his work. None of this matters because almost instantly you find that rich, poor, smart, stupid, young, old, friend or enemy it does not matter, they may be able to teach you something and show you a better way. It is on YOU to find it and question it and most importantly (debateable of course) be able to disregard it when something that is more truer or more just comes along. I think im getting it but im damn sure someone would disagree.

@GregoryBSadler 7 лет назад

Well, there's "getting it" - at the start - and then there's plenty of further experiences of that, as you reread, discuss, reflect, etc.