fantastic discussion, and at a base, the need for order perpetually against the need for evolution and change, and how to ever know, and how to respect tradition vs. the respect for innovation, and the ever present evolution of knowledge and therefore norms and expectations. it is the principle of goodness, truth, and beauty that persists, but the details and forms of each of these forever mutating, or in heideggerian terms, the aletheia revealing itself and knowing and reknowing itself, and all this within the complicated evolutions of cultures and the precarious situation of educating each generation in this path justice here depicted as an equilibrium or rebalancing occurring within society, and one way is from the wise/guardians/leaders, but a more sustainable and ever present way is this flowing from the demos, and the educated citizenry as the ever present eyes, but not in a draconian nor authoritarian way and those connotations, but via the principles of good-beauty-true and broadly moderating and nudging interactions and maintain proper, productively humane courses of development. the noble lie may be putting faith in the side of the positive and hopeful, in that the human heart contains the health and the darkness, but for civilization to decidedly to lean towards our better angels in our doubt and groping thru the darkness
