Plato's Theory of Forms

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If you haven’t done so please watch Plato’s Allegory of the Cave first: • Plato's Allegory of th...
Join George and John as they discuss and debate different Philosophical ideas. Today they will be looking at Plato’s Theory of Forms.
Have you ever questioned if there is a world greater than ours? Plato indeed did, he believed in a world of forms, a greater reality in which our world is a mere shadow of. If you imagine a shadow as a 2d, lesser version of a material object, well everything in our world is just a lesser version of the world of forms.
In the world of forms lies the perfect representation of everything in our current world. The pure perfect eternal representation of our entire world.
Watch as George and John discuss Plato’s theory and critically assess.
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0:00 - Introduction
0:18 - Allegory of the Cave recap
1:10 - World of Appearances and Forms
3:48 - The Hierarchy of Reality
5:22 - The Form of Good
6:01 - Theory of Forms and the Allegory of the Cave
6:48 - Problems with Plato's Theory of Forms
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@PhilosophyVibe 3 года назад

The script to this video is part of the Philosophy Vibe "Plato & Aristotle" eBook, available on Amazon: US: www.amazon.com/dp/B08YWTHYS4 UK: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08YWTHYS4 Canada: www.amazon.ca/dp/B08YWTHYS4 India: www.amazon.in/dp/B08YWTHYS4 Australia: www.amazon.com.au/dp/B08YWTHYS4 Germany: www.amazon.de/dp/B08YWTHYS4 The Philosophy Vibe Paperback Anthology, Vol 2 'Metaphysics' available worldwide on Amazon: US: www.amazon.com/dp/B092H5MGF9 UK: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B092H5MGF9 Canada: www.amazon.ca/dp/B092H5MGF9

@Hman1979 3 года назад

Plato's idea of perfect forms sounds to me like Jung's idea of an archetype, an eternal symbol of sorts.

@sirluoyi2853 3 года назад

Or may be you should relate Jung's Archetype with Kant's Categories...

@euclid9492 4 года назад

Modern perception: Plato argued that the programmers who simulated our universe used an object-oriented approach.

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@sharefislam9137 2 года назад

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@GRANDMASTERxxxFLASH 5 лет назад

Given that, under this system, evil is a privation of Good, the more you ascend the pyramid the less missing there is. In other words, the Good is fully complete and lacking nothing and as it flows over, the gaps are what we call evil. Thus, justice is complete ine the world of the forms but here we have holes in it (Injustice).

@2tehnik 4 года назад

right, but is that something Plato makes clear or are we just talking about Plotinus now? Especially considering the early academy did have discussions on whether "the dyad" is something existent or not

@philosophywithanirishaccen4849 3 года назад

Plato's forms do seem silly to us now, but I've read in Bertrand Russell's book, "Problems of Philosophy," that the similar idea of "universals" is actually taken seriously in philosophy, and that these can be thought of as "existing" in some sense. Wonder if you have talked about this in another video. I hope to discuss these topics in my own channel too!

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@kentong9514 3 года назад

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@ImaniRossi-qu6eu 8 месяцев назад

Love the hinting of a supernatural quality or a mysterious other-worldliness being considered to explain a serious philosophy, Platos Forms.

@l3vyy95 9 месяцев назад

Love the video and animation. I do believe we aren’t to take plato’s theory of forms too literally. Instead it may just serve to encourage us to think and subjectively conceptualise the ideal or perfect version of things and in doing so strive to live towards it

@bonginkosishongwe1829 5 лет назад

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@craighamilton8066 4 дня назад

Good point and counter point. Love the animation, voice talent, and layout of both sides of the argument. I’ve been into esoterica for a while, but just now exploring Plato’s forms. I had an understanding of the allegory of the cave “story”, but this is the first I’ve heard of an explanation of it. It’s really funny, , because the bit at the end was literally EXACTLY what came across my mind at the beginning…. Is it a calico or witches black cat? Is it a lazy boy or a church pew? I thought of evil as well. Only difference (and I’m serious), was I was wondering how far off peoples ideas of a vagina could be from the perfect form. Like- some guys like the little Barbie pussy, and some guys like the roast beef, but how far off are they(how far off am I?!) from the perfect form?! I guess if you’re a real man it doesn’t matter as long as you can have it for a night, lol!

@shieldmaidensofarda 8 месяцев назад

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@mr.jamesdavidrobert2115 3 месяца назад

How can there be forms of modern inventions like airplanes and computers? How could there be a form when we don’t know what these inventions will become over time? A person’s form of a computer in the 1970s would differ completely from the form a person has today.

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@kuki.256 4 года назад

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@TheYellowshuttle 4 года назад

Please make a video on Parmenides' Being.

@pascudragos6541 5 лет назад

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@chrisiswright Год назад

To determine whether Evil exists in the world of forms, you have to define Evil. The best definition of it would be a lack of Good. Evil would not exist in the world of forms because forms are meant to be the perfect versions of things, that is something that approximates Good or Goodness.

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@PhilosophyVibe 3 года назад

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@saranaim 3 года назад

Very cool video. But how is "the soul also referred to as the mind"?

@artlessons1 6 месяцев назад

Evil is opposite to the form of the Good. In fact, it is acting out of the shadow rather than the form of the good . Plato very much felt forms to be a matter of geometry, and of Homer's epic works that preceded it, your understanding needs to be revised.

@odbikin Год назад

thanks. since this is fundemental. would you explain the problems in more detain.

@unlucidindigo6053 4 года назад

but if it’s good where’s evil? balance wasn’t a thing to him?

@sundance8623 3 года назад

? where can I read the theory of forms Plato?

@jensklausen2449 3 года назад

Plato's theory of forms could be a representation of much truth but may have been dumbed down in a way so that much meaning can be lost to many individuals? Maybe there is not a form of a perfect cat anywhere, but instead higher principles which generate many forms of cats and other living beings and their behavior. Some in form realms above the physical universe and some in the physical universe. And maybe there is also a type of testing what ideas work, which is seen in the evolution of the species. Also the form of a chair seems not to rank on the same level as the forms of living beings.

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@merelmarr 3 года назад

from 8:20-- it started to escalate quickly... P.S. Thanks so much for the great explanation!!

@PhilosophyVibe 3 года назад

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@userme1237 3 года назад

the perfect chair

@royecakylamarie4227 2 года назад

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@zlClutchy 3 года назад

There is absolutely ZERO problems with Plato’s philosophy. There is nothing about his philosophy that is opinion, it is all rooted in logic. If you really wanna know just how factual and accurate his philosophy is, look up Scott Olson and Plato’s divided line. You will never look at Plato the same again.

@thecaliforniamaniac8542 9 дней назад

Absolutely agree and the theory of forms is instrumental when using deduction. P.S anyone else that disagrees, brings into existence the form of stupidity. 😂😂😂

@priscillaowusu7499 4 года назад

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@PhilosophyVibe 4 года назад

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@infonomics Год назад

Kant's and Schopenhauer's Noumenon = Plato's Forms?

@xCherylx Год назад

2:12

@janer-kd2wk Год назад

woah

@petermeyer6873 2 года назад

Here is my theory on forms: The worst of them are created by people, who are sure to never need to fill them out themselves.

@benquinneyiii7941 11 месяцев назад

A perfect definition?

@Ava-pb2oc 4 года назад

I’m here from online school

@iman1246 4 года назад

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@PhilosophyVibe 4 года назад

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@Ava-pb2oc 4 года назад

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@SweetNJuicymusic 3 года назад

I wonder if the story of Satan and God is an allegorical answer to the question, "Does evil stem from the Form of Good". Maybe it implies that all things from good evolve. If that's the case, maybe dog poo evolved from the form of another thing. Maybe it was the form of Alec Baldwin.

@maxicornejo9675 2 года назад

Why did Plato believe that theres was a world of "forms" beyond space of time? Did he infer this because of his allegory of the cave?

@jeffk3746 2 года назад

it was his solution to the problem of universals and particulars. The cave was his attempt to explain his system

@akaribloo3864 Год назад

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@ritimasahikiya Год назад

Is it just me or John looks like Ranbir Kapoor

@TheChurchOfPhakeKnewz 12 дней назад

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@vypa-bk1iy 9 месяцев назад

To answer you last question a perfect form of evil or something as vile as dog poo can not exist because evil is the absence of good like darkness is the absence of light. So I'f there was only good there would be no bad.

@redbison6417 4 года назад

Is the form of good another term for God?

@kelly4187 4 года назад

Aristotle developed this further in that direction with his arguments of movement and essence, and Aquinas then wrapped it all together in a package with that conclusion.

@summerbreeze5115 Год назад

Its Brahman in hinduism

@m.f.8752 2 года назад

Need better microphones, guys.

@PhilosophyVibe 2 года назад

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@goldenbrettfx90 10 месяцев назад

You still really don't get it. It means we live in a projected computer matrix simulation and this isn't the real world. THAT'S what he's saying.

@surendrathapa1861 Год назад

This seems more like fantasy than philosophy, not much different from the concept of heaven in religions, how do universals logically lead to world of forms, philosophy should be about reason and logic not unreined imagination.

@bluesky45299 4 месяца назад

Quran says: “Allah:there is not God except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient perfection)