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John Players Factory in Nottingham. 1960s.
Shows 1960s Nottingham Market Square and Nottingham Castle.
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@lynneclifford326
@lynneclifford326 Месяц назад
This bought back memories of my mum. She worked at Players when she left school at fourteen in 1940 till 1950. Then again for a few years in the 1960's. I'd forgotten about the overalls. I think they were dark green with a beige collar. I remember her washing them at the weekend. She worked really long hours as they said in the film but sometimes they would be on short time. Although the work was long and boring I think the friendships the girls made helped them get through the day. My mum worked in the leaf room initially but didn't like it so she got a job in the canteen and always said it was the best job she ever had. She later worked in packing. I wish she was here today to see this film sadly she passed away two years ago ages 95.
@tinatina1104
@tinatina1104 16 дней назад
Yes that was the thing, the friends you make in factories were the best. That made these type of jobs more bearable.
@AmandaEm7
@AmandaEm7 4 года назад
I love the old British '60s documentaries wish there more
@inky4763
@inky4763 5 лет назад
The woman trade union rep is brilliant, we need more people like here today
@zen-xb7xq
@zen-xb7xq 5 лет назад
I worked at Stapleford Cemetery as a gravedigger.Stanton & Staveley moulding concrete pipes,2 times Gregory's Roses, Lowes Rose Gardens, a golf course near Bramcote Hills and numerous other jobs and then in 1970 went to Toronto Canada came back and worked 12 hour shifts at Raleigh Cycles to save some money and then went overland to Australia through a dozen countries and never returned . Retired now in Australia after 20 years working in Asia. But I do have wonderful memories now at 70 of the times and girls of Nottingham. What a wonderful documentary that was and the characters of the females.
@sawleyram7405
@sawleyram7405 5 лет назад
My grandad was a pipe moulder at Stanton. Worked there all his life and ended up dying there on shift during his 50th year at the company (at the age of 65).
@badfairy9554
@badfairy9554 4 года назад
@@sawleyram7405 Sorry. That is so sad.
@grayb7420
@grayb7420 6 месяцев назад
My Grandad was a grave digger as well
@salishseas
@salishseas 2 месяца назад
Sir, are you still around? I hope so. A good life you’re living to be sure.
@patrickdoyle9369
@patrickdoyle9369 2 года назад
No one ever thought about following up to find these people years later . See if they're still alive and what happened to them later in life.. Locking all the doors is a really really bad idea. Health wise..
@Golo1949
@Golo1949 3 месяца назад
My neighbour worked for players on Bull Close, he told us the machine he worked produced 1 million cigarettes a day! he died with cancer early 80s,.
@forestfields
@forestfields Год назад
My mum worked at Players during the 1950s and 1960s while my sister and I were at school. It makes me sad now to look at this film all these years later and see how bleak it was. I wish I could talk to her about it, but sadly she has been gone for a while now.
@ALICE-m8f
@ALICE-m8f 28 дней назад
Amazing how much people cared about each other even the work floor inspector visting an employee who had been ill and lived alone and help her to get out and meet people again. They even kept in touch with retired employees and gave them home bust a too. Such a shame there is no sense of community in today's soceity,no one seems to care for those who haven't got family .❤
@stevedickens-qy8ol
@stevedickens-qy8ol 2 месяца назад
Players, Raleigh, Gerards soap factory, and the old lace factories. Absolutely brilliant years. xpat
@pinky-ud1rt
@pinky-ud1rt Месяц назад
Right
@Traveller69
@Traveller69 2 года назад
Doo Wah Diddy by Manfred Mann featured in the film with teenagers dancing to it, was released in the UK in July 1964. Based on the lack of tree foliage in the shots of the personnel lady and her husband by the river Trent, you can therefore assume this was filmed in late Autumn 1964. Fascinating stuff regardless.👍🏼
@mountainmantararua8824
@mountainmantararua8824 10 месяцев назад
Thank you Sherlock. 👍👍
@malcolmlane-ley2044
@malcolmlane-ley2044 3 года назад
As a 1960 baby born just south of Nottingham this documentary drew my attention and it is interesting to read the many comments from others; my immediate observation though was the diction and relatively mild regional accent of the factory workers, they certainly seemed much more eloquent than I would have expected.
@lolajohnson6615
@lolajohnson6615 2 года назад
These people were really hard workers bless them
@diane9247
@diane9247 6 лет назад
I love the union lady. She's smart, genuine, and absolutely practical. Little did she know that women would still be fighting for equal pay and opportunities for promotions in 2018.
@thesedreamsarefree
@thesedreamsarefree 5 лет назад
It was quite topical in some ways but also some of the gains that have been made were through women like her. What an awful job sat there shredding tobacco day in day out. Yet in the soul destroying routine she found the time to get some education, dared to dream.
@insertnamehere5146
@insertnamehere5146 5 лет назад
Diane, You seriously think women today have won no more rights then these ladies? Are you seriously comparing working life for women in the 50s/60s to life prospects for women in 2019?
@insertnamehere5146
@insertnamehere5146 5 лет назад
I doubt many of these women got to exotic places for their holidays on their wages. How was Florence in Italy by the way?
@minfiliaryne
@minfiliaryne 5 лет назад
@@insertnamehere5146 Never said that the situation hasn't improved just that it's not fully equal yet
@insertnamehere5146
@insertnamehere5146 5 лет назад
Slow Sunday in the Jace Allen home? That's a 2 month old comment responding to a 2019 entitled woman named Diane who thinks somehow she has to suffer the same indignities of women 50 years ago, so why are you responding as if the comment was for you? Can you go haunt someone else dear..thanks
@romystumpy1197
@romystumpy1197 Год назад
This definitely has the 'Saturday night ,Sunday morning ' movie vibe
@danholliday5564
@danholliday5564 3 года назад
Great post. The union rep is an amazing woman and the lass from personnel can tick me off anytime.
@twinny555
@twinny555 Год назад
I love the honesty of this. Nobody would be this honest in a documentary filmed at work now!
@reecewaterall1824
@reecewaterall1824 2 года назад
Amazing video!!Ive just witnessed this factory being demolished,all the history from this place is unreal.Many families were supported by the work this place offered.Shame,but life moves on
@micksmith106
@micksmith106 8 месяцев назад
Born and bred in the Meadows in the early 60s and proud of it, mi duck.
@pinky-ud1rt
@pinky-ud1rt Месяц назад
Loool mi duck😂😂
@micksmith106
@micksmith106 Месяц назад
@@pinky-ud1rt Giz a croggy...lol
@pinky-ud1rt
@pinky-ud1rt Месяц назад
@@micksmith106 i use to say that all the time loool 😄
@micksmith106
@micksmith106 Месяц назад
@pinky-ud1rt So did I..to get to school lol 😆
@everettscott4745
@everettscott4745 11 месяцев назад
I could tell that Irene Fowler was naturally intelligent. That's why she won a scholarship to Nottingham University. But, I've worked alongside employees like Irene, that left school earlier, with few qualifications, but are naturally very intelligent, but couldn't thrive in a school system. On leaving school, they become successful.
@MrTimdriver
@MrTimdriver 3 месяца назад
Very interesting. Good folk from Nottingham.
@marchill9142
@marchill9142 5 лет назад
Whatever happen to the women in the film, it would be very interesting to know.
@georgel74
@georgel74 3 года назад
They went up in smoke.
@johncarlisle621
@johncarlisle621 3 месяца назад
​@@georgel74yep, with cheech and chong
@pinky-ud1rt
@pinky-ud1rt Месяц назад
​@@georgel74😂😂😂😂😂
@jasonbarnes957
@jasonbarnes957 2 года назад
Nottingham born and bread and Proud, great time capsule, a time machine back to the 60's.
@johncarlisle621
@johncarlisle621 3 месяца назад
I'd loved to have seen Nottingham in the 60's. I visited 12 years ago and had a great day out. nice friendly people & I enjoyed visiting some of the lovely pubs
@pinky-ud1rt
@pinky-ud1rt Месяц назад
My auntie worked at john players in the 70s its strange seeing the market squire
@lotharroberts5978
@lotharroberts5978 6 лет назад
Brilliant, thanks.
@Cheapmotorcycling
@Cheapmotorcycling Год назад
Lived in Notts from 1982 for a year or two …loved it, but i can’t remember the beautiful speaking voices of the ladies as depicted in this utube… things have changed!
@rosiheyer5501
@rosiheyer5501 Месяц назад
People don't speak "proper" english any more!!!
@JohnSmith-mz3ny
@JohnSmith-mz3ny 5 лет назад
I have a 35mm film advert, "people love players" needs to be seen, free to someone..
@lolajohnson6615
@lolajohnson6615 2 года назад
Loved the sixties
@juliebeaton3264
@juliebeaton3264 8 месяцев назад
My god we've come no further
@JeffsWig
@JeffsWig 26 дней назад
Come no further 😂😂😂🤦‍♂️
@sammycrangle1000
@sammycrangle1000 6 месяцев назад
Long before i was born interesting video thank you so much
@rocky5755
@rocky5755 3 года назад
The trade Union lady wanted equality but then thanked her husband for giving his consent allowing her to do trade Union work.
@tina5203
@tina5203 5 лет назад
Very interesting to watch !!!!!!
@markellis796
@markellis796 3 года назад
The UNI qualified personnel manager shares the same traits of the modern UNI graduate i.e. that they have never experienced the working life of the people they deal with and therefore see them as low lives, nothing changes.
@janetsides1796
@janetsides1796 2 года назад
Same in the U.S.
@Africanqueen263
@Africanqueen263 5 лет назад
Love the train union lady.
@somethingbright4268
@somethingbright4268 4 года назад
The woman in the trade union is only 40 ... my goodness! Seems like a nice woman though.
@pinky-ud1rt
@pinky-ud1rt Месяц назад
THEY DID LOOK OLDER IN THOSE DAYS
@akrogirl32
@akrogirl32 10 месяцев назад
My ex’s father got me a summer job in the cafeteria there one year. My relatives liked the free cigarettes. It was actually a good place to work.
@johnnybaker720
@johnnybaker720 16 дней назад
I wounder what happened to that gorgeous young lady with the blonde hair i do hop she went on too have a wonderful and successful life god bless
@katesleuth1156
@katesleuth1156 6 месяцев назад
Factory work was hard, however you earned more than salesladies and office workers.
@davidstewart5452
@davidstewart5452 3 года назад
memories..1966 left school...no desire to work..loved reading in central library...some jobs car wash projectionist harry wheatcroft roses in middle of winter..camera shop...stole picture from nottingham castle museum...lincoln prison then borstal...came out bought a motorcycle..headed for londone.. never went back to nottingham..
@toppertruthio
@toppertruthio 5 лет назад
ahhhh those early days of our slavery
@arilebon
@arilebon 5 лет назад
Doors locked?
@mrpeters8947
@mrpeters8947 4 года назад
Common practice in those days, I'm afraid, until a series of deadly fires made it law to have unclocked fire exits.
@missmuffet3874
@missmuffet3874 Год назад
Shocking. It’s a kind of imprisonment.
@teresathompson1114
@teresathompson1114 Год назад
Lived in Radford,Mum hung the washing out ,it stank of tobacco when brought in .
@pinky-ud1rt
@pinky-ud1rt Месяц назад
I can magine 😮
@giedrejokubaityte309
@giedrejokubaityte309 2 года назад
i love it so much
@nottinghamsoul7790
@nottinghamsoul7790 6 месяцев назад
My beloved city has been ruined by inept councillors.
@johncarlisle621
@johncarlisle621 3 месяца назад
that also applies to towns and cities up and down the country
@JeffsWig
@JeffsWig 26 дней назад
And globalist governments
@martindixon7903
@martindixon7903 5 лет назад
i wonder what became of the beautiful blonde girl
@Mounhas
@Mounhas 5 месяцев назад
I’d been at work elsewhere for a year when this was made. When looking at Top of the Pops from the 60’s I often think about those attractive girls, and in this video, and how the aging process whilst inevitable seems unfair when you go back 60 years.
@kenstevens5065
@kenstevens5065 Год назад
The accent seems strange to me and Nottingham was my home around this period and for 20 years afterwards. I think a lot of people "posh up" their voice and behaviour on camera. I knew quite a few people as well as my mother who worked at Players and they all gave the impression that it was a happy place to work with good wages and pension scheme.
@Weeflowerofscotland
@Weeflowerofscotland Год назад
I’m from Glasgow and my grandmother had her posh telephone voice 😂 but she was certainly not posh at most times
@twinny555
@twinny555 Год назад
I agree. I wasn’t born when this was filmed, I was born in 1983. I’m sure accents change but a lot of them don’t even sound like they’re from Nottingham! 😂
@kenstevens5065
@kenstevens5065 Год назад
@@twinny555 Twinny by the time you were born the UK population was certainly on the move and more and more students after school had the oppourtunities to leave home to different parts of the UK for both work and further education which no doubt diluted regional accents which had subtle variations in the big cities anyway. Fascinating stuff how language changes over time. If we could go back in time to the 1500's we would hardly understand an English speaker! There's some great sites on line if you're interested. Thanks for your input.
@romystumpy1197
@romystumpy1197 Год назад
The Nottingham accent was stronger then ,so much more diluted now
@jamesbomd3503
@jamesbomd3503 3 дня назад
Working there was like living in strange ways prison The reason for this of course is because they didn't want thefts of the cigarettes it had more security than Fort Knox In Kentucky
@mr_diatribe2324
@mr_diatribe2324 5 лет назад
I've worked in a place like this............ Alcan Ekco in Chesham.... I'm so glad the site got demolished ... As my work pension got totally fucked up! For what! Stress????
@badfairy9554
@badfairy9554 4 года назад
Working ten hours a day five and half days a week.
@jamesbomd3503
@jamesbomd3503 3 дня назад
You've got to remember at that time Women's only work was mainly peacetime work where they got exploited to the hilt so working 10 hours a day 5 1/2 days a week brought them a fairly pretty bucket they were envied throughout the city
@badfairy9554
@badfairy9554 3 дня назад
@@jamesbomd3503 thanks James.
@maggietulip5761
@maggietulip5761 2 года назад
Brilliant👍
@neilbain8736
@neilbain8736 4 года назад
20:43 a dashboard light comes on and there's a click as she approaches the car and opens the door. She gets in, closes the door and the light goes out. This ought not to be possible. This is the 1960's and there should be no remote central locking.
@sawleyram7405
@sawleyram7405 4 года назад
The car was already unlocked. The passenger (husband) opened the door and the light came on as was standard on these cars. The driver (wife) then opened her door and entered.
@teresathompson1114
@teresathompson1114 Год назад
You went to players,boots,Raleigh ,or Drury and Edward's or Bastows
@dangerman8625
@dangerman8625 3 года назад
There's a jib between East and West, ie, men and women, things in circumstance, that year 1960s, now 2021, a whole new world.
@jamesbomd3503
@jamesbomd3503 3 дня назад
Admit things may have been tough if you were a woman working at John players but trust me when I tell you I built all the bloody Council estate housing with my bare hands so they could have a decent home to live in rather than the squalor & filth Of post war housing. You can't have it both ways Those kids in the 60s didn't know how good they had it
@amandashare1281
@amandashare1281 3 года назад
At last scientist have found something that can do the work of 10 men...... 1 woman!
@AmandaEm7
@AmandaEm7 4 года назад
The young blonde woman I bet was an actress.. Very posh voice slipping through, not the management one.. who loves to say she works for the management
@fettlerjohn3419
@fettlerjohn3419 3 года назад
There is a bit of posh in there for sure 👍🏼
@lat1419
@lat1419 Год назад
Anyone rember when the fountains were instaled in slab square? And how the water went blue when a copoer got thrown in? 😂
@Tina06019
@Tina06019 5 лет назад
My gosh --- no personnel officer today would be called on to do social work. Not in my experience, anyway.
@lloydbelle3406
@lloydbelle3406 4 года назад
but it is commendable that she did it...
@lat1419
@lat1419 Год назад
They were personnel officers then, not Human Resources. They were concerned with workers well being, and the factories / businesses were paternalistic.
@pandjbrooks7492
@pandjbrooks7492 5 лет назад
Think this film was made by one of those left-wing “angry young men”! Gives a totally wrong impression of working at Players, and I was there for over 30 years. Highest wages in Nottingham, a large annual bonus, a huge athletic and social club. An enlightened and philanthropic employer.
@davehowe4714
@davehowe4714 5 лет назад
And cheap smokes 👍🏼 I remember loading out of the factory by boots a few years ago and the price of Superkings in the vending machine were to good to pass up
@mariogiresi6792
@mariogiresi6792 5 лет назад
An annual bonus in America is a very rare thing these days. Very few employers give them out anymore. Instead they try to compensate with low-budget Christmas parties and a pat on the back. No thank you, I’ll take the bonus instead.
@cd1673
@cd1673 5 лет назад
@@handsoffmycactus2958 truth.
@teresatv9209
@teresatv9209 5 лет назад
Are you a bloke? If you are then you are not qualified to speak.
@mckayfan
@mckayfan 5 лет назад
It was good for you because you where a male employee.
@TruthInspector
@TruthInspector 6 месяцев назад
looked so much healthier bk then. teeth aren't so jacked up
@pinky-ud1rt
@pinky-ud1rt Месяц назад
JACKED UPP LOOOOOL 😂😂😂😂
@markaddison5333
@markaddison5333 3 года назад
Privileged to work in that factory ,I have watched these docos on the London slums etc these people are me makes me sick I'm so called white and privileged. Great film
@janetsides1796
@janetsides1796 2 года назад
I'm American, been checking the mail box for my white privilege for years! Working class,living paycheck to paycheck, isn't privilege
@AM1465
@AM1465 6 месяцев назад
Jill hates that place.
@melotone3305
@melotone3305 2 года назад
These are the women that helped make it possible for Players to sponsor motorsports for many years. Anybody know where they were getting their tobacco? USA or elsewhere? In retrospect, tobacco firms spent a pile on marketing through motorsports. Here in the US, Winston was a lynchpin sponsor for NASCAR.
@kencabbage71
@kencabbage71 3 дня назад
wheres the names...wheres the follow ups...with family
@gpo746
@gpo746 9 месяцев назад
Speaking to older people who were employed in these sort of factories I find that the women invariably couldn't wait to meet a man and get married as this would alleviate the monotony of a factory job. Some women I have spoken to saw marriage as a blessing and preferred being a housewife and mother to the noisy fast paced factories
@lionel29nottingham67
@lionel29nottingham67 3 года назад
111 he’s back ♟
@bogavai
@bogavai 2 года назад
I'm surprised at how well articulated were,considering the fact that education was very limited or non existant in some cases.
@patrickglennon7058
@patrickglennon7058 Год назад
Society has been dumbed down
@lat1419
@lat1419 Год назад
Education was much better. My mother went to college as a mature student and became a teacher in the school that Players local workers kids went to.
@philomenamagill700
@philomenamagill700 8 месяцев назад
@patricksmith9049
@patricksmith9049 8 месяцев назад
Nottingham accent sounded different back then meh duck 🦆
@cd1673
@cd1673 5 лет назад
3:50 she has failed at her job right at the start... Because she is supposed to remain a liaison, instead she used the phrase "the other side" so she's already chosen a "side". She will fail the employees before she's begun.
@mrpeters8947
@mrpeters8947 4 года назад
Dead right, CD 1! That's exactly what I thought. Wouldn't tell that woman ANYTHING!
@lolajohnson6615
@lolajohnson6615 2 года назад
@@mrpeters8947 12
@lolajohnson6615
@lolajohnson6615 2 года назад
@@mrpeters8947 well in
@btnled357
@btnled357 5 лет назад
Its all terrible pay and conditions but at the end of the day, higher wages demanded by the unions and foreign competition lost them their jobs. Some would say what was really needed was real change in this country. Total slum clearance, free health care, and they were better off without those sort of jobs and living on a better dole system. Not forgetting better education to start with..!!!
@insertnamehere5146
@insertnamehere5146 5 лет назад
I agree, these jobs were shit. no one would want their kids doing this sort of jobs these days.
@lat1419
@lat1419 Год назад
What new jobs?
@patricksmith9049
@patricksmith9049 8 месяцев назад
Hyson green Radford Nottingham, born n bred
@stevendavis2122
@stevendavis2122 Месяц назад
Horrible place now youth 😞
@juliebeaton3264
@juliebeaton3264 8 месяцев назад
God save the governing class thankyou your lordship an your Earl shit
@juliebeaton3264
@juliebeaton3264 8 месяцев назад
Im a HCA and lve been under paid 2000 year for 15 years management new all along whats so disgusting I work for the NHS
@tylersalt6805
@tylersalt6805 4 года назад
One Building remains now. What was left. exploring the grounds felt Dystopian. I- Need a Time Machine. Seeing that one remaining building at night- Makes me feel nostalgic! Or somewhat Spooky.
@missmuffet3874
@missmuffet3874 Год назад
Human Resources is there for the employer. They pay their wages.
@ericlees7518
@ericlees7518 2 года назад
it was alright making them as long as it was not you smoking them cancer sticks mmmmmm
@haroldofcardboard
@haroldofcardboard 5 лет назад
bob a lob
@michael7286
@michael7286 7 месяцев назад
Overtime - Overtime, what's Overtime ... Overtime should be voluntary not compulsory, many people would live at work if they could because they are just greedy sods.
@thehoneyeffect
@thehoneyeffect 6 лет назад
I feel so sorry for that one black woman in this vid 9:00mins , I wonder who she was? I wonder how racist it was at Players, must have pretty bad on top of all the other injustices all of the other women were facing. Both my mum and gran worked at Rolls Royce in this same era, they never spoke about it.
@insertnamehere5146
@insertnamehere5146 5 лет назад
Do you feel legally obliged as a half white woman to bring Racism into this comments section? I think these women were more concerned about equal pay, something you can take for granted in this era. if the company had been Racist, she would not have been working there in the first place.
@tdonovan4735
@tdonovan4735 5 лет назад
@John Salvage Just like the people of foreign lands didn't want Britain to invade and steal their land in the name of the empire. You know - that Empire you love to brag about! Britain own fault- steal other counties then complain when the people they colonised for 300 years come to the mother country. SERVE YOU BLOODY RIGHT!
@tdonovan4735
@tdonovan4735 5 лет назад
@@insertnamehere5146Probably was racism there - unfortunately it was very common and blatant at the time. To say "there was no racism there otherwise she wouldn't be there" is a bit like saying there was no sexism there otherwise those women wouldn't be there! But they are - and they are complaining about unfair pay - otherwise known as.....? Yes - you guessed it - SEXISM - but that company can't be sexist because it employed women - right?
@tdonovan4735
@tdonovan4735 5 лет назад
@@insertnamehere5146 And who knows whether the staff were happy about them employing a person of colour. MANY TIMES the srtaff would shun them - but there can;t be any racism because she's there, right? You guys are so blinkered and white-privileged - your comment is a CLEAR example of it. Don't try and shy away from the existence of racism just because it doesn't affect YOU - Thehoneyeffect was CORRECT to raise that point - especially as - as she pointed out - she directly knows people who suffered from it at that time. Life is bliss when you can just pretend it doesn't exist - right insertnamehere?
@tdonovan4735
@tdonovan4735 5 лет назад
@@insertnamehere5146 BTW - look at the comment from John Salvage. see the ignorance - don't be like that dickhead
@grayb7420
@grayb7420 6 месяцев назад
A lot of work to assist people in killing themselves by smoking
@murkydepths181
@murkydepths181 3 года назад
Such ignorance of business and economics coming from the trade union woman and the others. Shameful 🤨
@lat1419
@lat1419 Год назад
Easy to say 60 years after the event.
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