Playing the VOX UL730 

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Thanks, Mark!

I was actually able to get the DR. Robert sound out of my old Vox tonelab se, I bet with the newer modellers, using EQ that it could be very closely replicated, I came really close on the old modeller, Just mainly Goosed the Mid Range on an Ac30, Bet Kempers, helix, fractal, etc could do it. WAY CHEAPER and it was fun trying to replicate the DUMBLE of the Beatle Amps.

Thanks, Sam!

@@perrystanleyNumber9any idea what brand or model of germanium transistors were used in the fuzz circuit? I’ve been having trouble getting a clear answer

@@sampopkin no idea. But Stephen Walsh on The Facebook group JMI vox might know

How bout a demo of the wem pep box for those Revolver tones?

I’m glad that you love it not only because of Beatles tones, but because it sounds different from other Amps and things.

@@BadChizzle Thanks!

I loved how the les Paul sounded through it.

​@@perrystanleyNumber9Great video Perry! Glad you mentioned the bassman but could we get a comparison video? I've noticed a Taxman tone through one.

My wife will let you know when I pass away! LOL

@@perrystanleyNumber9 it is definitely a keeper! Hehe

Could it have been the Fender Bassman with a Tonebender fuzz MK1.5?

@@DrRussPhd Thanks!

Thanks ! I appreciate it!

Lol! No new camera just learning more about settings which get better results! Going to work this week on the parts you asked for now if you are still up for it! I could have it done by the weekend.

no rush at all, I’m very behind myself! whenever you’re ready!

I agree! It’s a great pedal. But getting an amp sound from the amp is priceless. I love the vibe of playing through real amps so much more than any kind of pedal or simulation. But that’s just me.

Thanks for sharing. I really enjoy what you do -- and makes me want to practice :) @@perrystanleyNumber9

Thank you!

Thanks so much!

So what was the Wem Pep Box used on if it wasn't used on She said She said?

@@bobbystereo936 The Web Pep Box might have been used.. I don't know. Never played through one! Just showing what the song sounds like with the amp alone.Might be a good subject for a vid in the future though!

@@perrystanleyNumber9 There still might be a possibility the bassman was used on paperback writer? He had a tonebender MK1.5 sitting on top of the amp in one of those photo sessions. Hence the transistor sound but! There are just too many photos of Paul laying down tracks with the casino & UL.

@@bobbystereo936 yes. I really think it was the Ul7120. I have a tone bender . I’ll try it with the bassman , but I think it definitely was the Ul7120.

Thanks!

Interesting thought. I can't think of any other riff at that time or earlier that uses so much distortion. kind of agree.

@@perrystanleyNumber9 some would say 'YOU REALLY GOT ME' but i'd say that leans way more towards punk than metal.

The Dr Robert excludes the fuzz circuit! Try the Jext Telez White Pedal v 1 or V2, or, the Creepy Fingers Lonely Heart pedal.

Thanks for watching!

Thanks! I try to match the sounds to what is on the record. Sometimes Tea towels get the sound, sometimes just the snare with nothing on it. Whatever works . The music and sound are generally mixed in Cubase, and then the audio is imported into Final Cut Pro. Mixing the music is the easy part for me because I have been recording music for many years. The combination of video and music is the more challenging part for me. Sometimes I use audio from the iphone12 for talking which is what I shoot with, but other times I have a mic catching talking audio . All the visual effects are from Final Cut Pro, but in the future I hope to learn other programs from Adobe. Thanks for watching!

@@perrystanleyNumber9 Thanks very much for such a comprehensive answer, Perry. I have been playing, recording (and writing) music for many years, too, and am thinking of starting a RU-vid channel involving those skills - hence my curiosity. Thanks again.

Thanks! I will be doing demos of the other amps in the future. I've used them in videos, but have only gone into the UL730 as a subject. I also want to focus on the vintage guitars I have like I did with the 1962 J-160e and the Framus Hootenanny. You can hear the 1963 vox in the 1965 Casino plays the Beatles and the Day tripper videos. But I do intend to do a vid focusing on just the amp. I have two vintage AC30's ,a 63 and a 64 . I have ideas on how to present them somewhat like the format I did with the UL730. I'm also trying to do some longer covers. Thanks for your comment and for watching!

Thank you!

They are rehearsing paperback writer @ 2:20 George played bass during the rehearsal sessions but there is a MK1.5 tonebender seen in another photo sitting on top of the 7120. My guess is that it was probably too big & loud to crank up to 8 or 10 so they had to use that tonebender to achieve that dist.

Been thinking about that too. All on the drawing board!

@@perrystanleyNumber9Paul probably used the Fender Bassman as his amp for Paperback Writer

@@beatlesfan2884 and that’s what I used the bassman. I only used the ul730 on the guitars.

@@perrystanleyNumber9 What I mean is that he used the Bassman to play the lead guitar and it sounds like it to me

Well I did a video with the Bassman playing it, and it sounds great, but I think the UL730 sounds closer.@@beatlesfan2884

You might want to join the FB group Vox the JMI years. People there like Steve Walsh have extensive experience building and owning vox UL units.

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I don’t think he used the ul730 for the lead. I have a conqueror and I think it nails the lead right away. They were also using conquerors for Pepper. I might be doing a vid on the amps of pepper… other things to do first! Thanks for watching!

It might've been the Selmer amp?

I know that he used the Coronado and Marshalls, but he definitely did use a vox (not sure of the exact model) . The Vox can get Zip sounds, but It was way too dirty for the Heartbreaker solo, at least with the distortion circuit on.

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Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!

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AKG D20, sm57, Wunder Cm7, mics used for amps and drums rs124 compression (plug) red 51 channel strips , j37 tape distortion

I realized I should've answered more specifically. When I used it for guitar two sm57 mics. For bass AKG D20.

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Cool!

There's a book called light & Shade conversations with Jimmy Page & in that book Page says the entire 1st album was recorded on a Vox Super beatle which he made a mistake thinking that was what the ul730 was called.

@@bobbystereo936 Yes, that is not really a “book” per se, it is just a collection of the interviews that Jimmy gave to Guitar World editor Brad Tolinski, a gentleman that I am proud to call a friend. Page did not know what the Vox UL-4120 was called at the time that he gave that particular quote. He did mistakenly call it a “Vox Super Beatle” and on one occasion a “Vox Super Reverb” in these interviews. But photographic evidence and Page’s own book ‘Jimmy Page: The Anthology’ have corrected this. Page does not have his original Vox UL-4120 head anymore…it was likely sold or stolen. Sometime in the early 2000s, Page bought a Vox UL-7120 head instead because he could not source an original UL-4120. This 7120 was used in the ‘Play It Loud’ exhibit at The Met in New York City and in photos in ‘The Anthology’ as a stand-in for the UL-4120. They are similar amps…the UL-4120 was designated as a bass guitar amp and the UL-7120 was designated for guitars, however the only difference is the addition of a fuzz circuit in the 7120 versus the 4120 which does not have that circuit. Page has never owned or used a Vox UL-730…

@@AllenGarberGuitarFun There is a UL of some sort in the background of "it might get Loud."

@@bobbystereo936That is the UL-7120 that Page bought in the early 2000s. It was used as a “stand-in” for his original UL-4120 in the ‘Play It Loud’ exhibit at the Met and in the photos from ‘Jimmy Page: The Anthology’ as I mentioned, but it was first seen in ‘It Might Get Loud’.

I did a video which demonstrates the sound with short Beatle covers. It will definitely give you an idea of the sound . It’s called Getting the Sound : Revolver . That being said , now having the real amp, I still think the pedal is good, but not sure if it is replicating the amp pushed or just the distortion circuit. I don’t have the pedal to compare side by side with the amp anymore, but like I said I think the pedal is good!

@@perrystanleyNumber9 Hey Perry 😊 Thank you very much for replying - much appreciated! The sound the UL produces is (of course) THE sound and this is the real deal. I will (probably) never own a UL amp unfortunately - but we are many that are happy for you and are enjoying your videos 😊 I own a Dr. Robert pedal and like the sound. It can't do what the UL is doing - but the Dr. Robert is imo a worthy amp clone. Thanks for your videos and please continue your work 😊 Cheers Thomas

Unfortunately I have no experience with any Thomas Vox amps.

I used to own a Beatle, I always thought it sounded so much like the Beatle records, I thought the Fuzz/Distortion worked really well. For a Solid State amp. it was different for sure, mine worked still when I sold it in the early 80's, I had gotten it in 77. It was one loud amp. if you used it that way. I never gigged it, just to DARN big. Reliability is what killed them for sure Thomas was a Get Rich quick company for sure. I never tried jumpering the channels maybe a good thing I did not, i might have found out about the Reliability of them. Jumpering might have made the MRB usable. I just always had it in the channel that the Distortion worked in. The MRB was really neat though, kind of like a Varitone switch.

@@ksharpe10 yes I have the Conqueror . It has that cool MRB switch. They ran the piano in Birthdays through it at the end of the song to get that cool effect. The Beatle amp was like the Thomas version of the AC100 but… not if you know what I mean. Loud as you say!

Well obviously nothing beats the real thing, but the Oso is easily a close second above the Dr Robert ;you can get more sounds on each over the doctor Robert.Having said that, I think the doctor Robert definitely gets you there . It’s just not the same thing as coming straight from an amp. I sold the pedal when I got the OSO. I didn’t know I would soon have a ul730. I have the oso hooked up to a real ul 715 cabinet, and it’s a great amp, really well made and I would rather record with that over a pedal. But the pedal is definitely good enough to record and be convincing.it is a great option for the sound.

Usually the treble pickup tone and vol up all the way.

That's a good question. I did a video on the Dr. Robert, but I don't have the pedal anymore to compare it to the amp.Thanks for your comments and for watching!

It's absolutely beautiful!

I think it does a great job of capturing the distorted sound aspect of the amp. The amp itself can do so much more. For instance I don’t think I would use the pedal to try and get the bass sounds I can get with the amp. It certainly captures the character of the distortion aspects of the amp but not the clean sound of the amp as far as I remember. I no longer have the pedal because I obviously don’t need it when I have the real thing. It’s a good pedal to go after the ul sound.

Not sure yet. I haven’t tried it through either or the Selmer Thunderbird I have. I’d rather make a judgement after I tried to get the sound.

@@perrystanleyNumber9 I can't wait until you do. Not knowing is killing me. I don't want to think anything but Vox cause only the Hybrid or Solid State they had at the time could have made that midrange-y sound.

​@@perrystanleyNumber9also for the Taxman solo, I trust you were using the UL730 without the distortion?

Can't remember for sure.I think that I wasn't, but I was in that channel for sure.@@elirosen1391

I'd like to know how the UL series compare generally to the Conqueror and how close the Conqueror can get to Revolver tones. The control and channel options seem pretty similar, but maybe the UL valves add something crucial.

Yes I did, but it wasn’t achieving the sound I was after. Pushing the amp did it right away.

I did a video on the Doctor Robert pedal: getting the sound Revolver . Gear there and everywhere podcast is all about the gear journey and it just was posted on RU-vid yesterday!

@@perrystanleyNumber9 Thanks. I did not know about the Gear there and everywhere channel. Just found it. At first I looked at your main page for a podcast. You might want to advertise that interview. Maybe you did and I didn't see it.

@@mrfuzztone No I didn’t , but it’s a great idea! Part 2 will also be out sometime.

@@perrystanleyNumber9 I got back into playing guitar in 2001. I bought a Martin 00-18SH (Steve Howe). Then I bought several electric guitars. Now I have 25 Martin guitars. Somebody I know used to call me Mr. Fuzztone because I had so many guitar pedals. Your collection is very interesting. Because I am an old guy, I went to see A Hard Day's Night when it first came out. Never saw the Beatles. My lady saw them front row one time. Over the last few years I got carried away and bought a lot of synthesizes and a few classic string machines such as a Roland VP-330 MK 1 and Korg Lambda. Oh well.

I got the Joy Divison edition of Dr Robert. Holy hell....it's bloody brilliant and an amp in a box. I snagged one for my bass player because we crapped ourselves when he played bass thru my pedal running into an Ampeg.

Depends who is selling it! There is just the head on Reverb right now for nearly $ 15000. I saw a head for sale with no cabinet for 11000 not too long ago.

It is on the drawing board but it will include more… I have a thermogloss set, Hard Days Night bongos and the Beatle spec congas…. So it is definitely something I eventually will get to!

@@perrystanleyNumber9Paul used the middle position for WALHFMF on the Rick bass as seen in the photos

@@beatlesfan2884 yup!

Ludwig tunable EXPANDO bongos! 🙂@@perrystanleyNumber9

Yes, you can see them behind my head in this video!

It really depends who you buy it from, if it comes with the cab, and how original it is. I’ve seen a cab and head go for $13,000, but here in The US not too long ago I saw a head only sell for 11,000. There is a head only on reverb selling for $16,000!

Thank you very much. I appreciate your reply. I am Italian and imagine I bought it, second hand, in the seventeen for about 200 euros. No idea at that time that it could be a rare amplifier..

Seventh 1976

What do you mean by scratched, destroyed?

@@perrystanleyNumber9 sorry, maybe my use of English wasn't correct. I meant how unbelievable it is that Vox destroyed the amps coming back and just imagine what they would be worth now.

@@michaelhuttig6596 I understand. Thanks for clarifying and thanks for watching too!

I'm sorry not my lane.

@@perrystanleyNumber9 No problems!

Not too loud , really . Typical volume when an amp is pushed. For me nothing that hurts your ears like an Ampeg V4 with 4 12’s! It doesn’t take too much to bring it into distortion.

@@perrystanleyNumber9 Thank you! As a guy who plays a Fender Twin, this is a bit reassuring.

@@RonMishra I know what you mean . I have a twin and I barely ever need to go past 3!

I wish! I have two and they were bought at Target!

I can only guess why 75 out of 100 amps were returned. At the time they had a very different sound of distortion that perhaps people weren't used to hearing, and the reverb certainly wasn't anywhere near as good as the Fender Twin. It took the Beatles among others to demonstrate how the sounds could be applied to music. I think it's a great amp because it is versatile. I think I demonstrated that in the video. It gets a beautiful distortion in varied ways depending on if you use the distortion circuit or just push the amp in either channel. It also sounds great on bass and McCartney got some of his most celebrated bass sounds on Pepper with it. Thanks for watching!

@@perrystanleyNumber9 Thank you.