Playstation Users Are All Wrong About This 

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Didn't know this was even a thing. The lag for me happens from my brain to my fingers 🤣🤣🤣

The polling rate for USB on DS4 is 1/4 that of Bluetooth. I’m a programmer and I made a mod menu for PS4 and PS5 controllers and was astounded to discover this, as it was obvious on games like Mortal Kombat. Bluetooth inputs would capture 4 times as many frames as wired inputs

John Glasscock, I hope you’re during well during this time. Thanks for the videos! I learn new things everyday!

I've always used USB connection, simply because I can't be bothered to charge the controller :) I haven't noticed any problems with input lag.

Also if you play at 30fps you'll have more input lag as it takes more time to show a frame on display during each second because it has to refresh (or repeat) each frame more times before going to the next frame of animation meaning that since 1 second= 1000 milliseconds you'll get 1. 1000/30fps= 33 milliseconds of delay 2. 1000/60fps=16 to 17 milliseconds of delay Also on top of that delay caused by the amount of fps, there's the additional delay caused by the controller you use, the display you use as some do more image processing than others which causes even more delay (motion interpolation being the biggest offender), also if you're online your connection plays a role (and a big one at that)

From my perspective, it seems they 'fixed' an issue, so now one is able to have the same input lag when charging the controller! 👏🏻

Thats crazy. I remember when the new dualshock(the one with the light on the touchpad) and PS4Pro were released, it was a featured that wiring the controller would reduce input lag.

That was interesting to learn. On a slightly different note, one thing I’m curious about is that when I look up PS5 games on the PS Store and a PS4 version is available, the store acts as if I can’t buy the PS5 version digitally

For fellow pc users using a ds4 or dual sense with ds4windows you wanna "edit" your controller profile, then go to the "other" tab and there you shall find the polling rate option where you can max it out at 1ms for the least input delay

if you want to further reduce input lag. make sure your TV is set to game mode if you don't have it, try pc mode. failing this customise your TV settings to match game mode if you don't know what settings to change Google your TV type followed by the word gaming settings.

What is more interesting is, that cable connection is more reliable in the variance of your input latency. As far as I remember two times (still very low) from measurements I saw

your proof is someone said its slower . why dont you prove it

Input lag is one thing, interference is another. Since the objective is to have a stable low-lag input, they are both just as important. Bluetooth gets the occasional stutter from interference whereas it doesn't happen over USB. This has been my experience on both the PS4 and PS5.

Thanks for using Spyro to clear up this issue John! Seeing the little purple dragon made me smile.

@John Glasscock, do you insert the USB rapid or very slow into the joystick when charging?

I never thought this only because bluetooth has come a very long way from what it used to be. Bluetooth is almost instant nowadays and is a lot better with its reliability. Some people just dont understand that technology gets updated almost every year 😂

You're quick to the point and I love it. Some cats would spend a half hour explaining

Thats good info. Ive always assumed it was faster. But i guess the wired connection is only better if you are having interference. When I got my PS5, I quickly noticed that when my controller when near my Bluetooth Motorola baby monitor, both the controller and monitor would lose connection and go into their respective pairing states. Unfortunately I can't use the Bluetooth 😢 I have also noticed that when the microwave is running, connections throughout the house get patchy. I've looked it up and even some government experiments had this problem for 50 years before realizing that the interference they were seeing was just the microwave from the lunch area lol

Whilst what you say is true, I still wouldn't recommend Bluetooth at least for the PS5. When measuring average input delay, USB is extremely consistent and seldom deviates from its average. Wireless on the other hand has a higher average, with lots of high peaks. Rocket Science's RU-vid channel tested this. So on PS4 you're effectively making a trade off between responsiveness and consistency. It depends what you play. If you're executing repeated actions and to be as consistent as possible, like say playing Rocket League at a high Rank, you may want to use USB. For a game that doesn't solely rely on mechanics but does benefit from speed like CoD, playing Bluetooth may be best. On PS5 the polling rate appears to be the same between both input methods, which makes USB a no brainer especially if you're playing at a desk. You get the fastest input and extremely consistent input together.

It's true that latency isn't noticably different. But the benefit with the cable over wireless is that you will never risk dropping any packets. Which can happen for various reasons. Like being to far away from the console, or having other devices interfere with the signal.

I wonder how much better I would’ve been at BF4 had I known this. I always played with the charging cord thinking it would decrease my input lag. Prob still would’ve been trash lol

There is a caveat, using wireless can result in inconsistent input latency due to interference. It might make sense if you are into latency consistency (e.g. rhythm games) over getting the lowest possible latency. On my ps4 controller which is aging, the bluetooth connection is very weak and it is very easy to see the input signal latency vary wildly when someone walks pass you. So while in general wireless should result in lower input latency, the downside is the variance and inconsistency of the latency can be detrimental.

Finally a video that goes directly to the point, instead of dragging it for 10 minutes with nonsense talk. Thanks!

Useful info, thanks! Ill be sure to remember this when I am able to get a ps5 in 2030

It’s Been Already 2 Years Since The P5 Came Out & People Still Dont Have It , I Feel Bad 😭😭😭

Hey I have a question I got a drop of sparkling water on my charger(the part you plug into the controller) for ps5 I dried it off immediately and plugged it in stupid but will this affect the ps5 and controller bother ps5 controller and charger are working fine?

Okay, but I didn't switch to wired on my PS4 PRO because of input lag but because of choppy audio. So, are you saying I have to live with choppy audio in order to get good input response?

My PS4 controller has a lot of input lag when playing with a wireless connection. This instantly disappears when I plug it in

So Why is duelsense edge recommended to play wired then ?

So what monitors do you use/recommend

What about for PC? I know the same thing happens for the dualshock 4 controller on pc, that being the polling rate is changed and input lag increased, when you play with a wired connection. But does the same thing happen for a dualsense controller on pc, that being a wired connection makes no difference?

That's really weird because I experienced input lag on my PS5 wired and Bluetooth, especially during demons souls.

Polling/sample rate is different than lag/latency. You'd really need empirical testing to analyze the deterministic and random jitter of both usb and bt to really draw a conclusion.

Can we asume the same as the pc controlers ; mouse and keyboards? Which is better on PC wiriles or with cable.

What gaming monitor would you recommend for PS5?

This is why I have two controllers, I just drop my controller on the charging dock and grab the other one while my main controller is charging (Yes, I use the black one as my main, I only use the white controller when the black one is flat)

iv know about this for awhile now . actually i think you did a vid in the past about this though i could be mistaken . I however switched over to series x from ps5 and after using many pro controllers i settled on the victrix gamibit pro . by far the most responsive controller i have ever played with and it is wired . so idk why sony went this route with their controllers. and if im being honest those dualsense are the reason i switched to xbox . spent over 300 dollars on controllers in the 1st 3 months on the ps5.

Why or how does "GAME" mode in picture settings reduce input lag? My son has our picture set to vivid. So aren't those setting just for your picture/screen quality preferences ?

I already new this. It’s also the same with using a wireless controller on pc as well

Y'all are worried about milliseconds of lag? Y'all need to put the controller down and leave the house 💀

Thanks, I'm really glad to know this information. I don't play plugged anyways but now I don't feel like I'm at a disadvantage for strictly going wireless so for that reason this video is amazing. :)

1 of the few times I'm thankful for recommendations, I'll keep this tip in mind thank you 🙏

I had no idea that was the case. I thought it was the opposite 😂 thank you for the tip! Very good to know 😁

Actually I had to buy a ps5 bundle with a game and a second controller. I hated it at first now I am thankful cuz I can always change one while using the other one so comfortable. No cables anymore love it

Short video and straight to the point that's why i love your content keep it up

Hi! I wanted to ask you if you have had this error CE-108255-1 with GT7 or any other game. I have done everything to fix it and nothing works, not even hard reset from usb. Thanks, 🙏🏻

Thanks Man 🙌 We appreciate you❤💙

didn't know that changing the "image" option to game could change something else beside of image! 🤯

how does he find all these

What about the third party wired controllers etc? What is the best controller in terms of least amount of input lag 🤷🏼‍♀️?

I’m a little confused. On the ps4 you can change a setting to have it use usb or wireless while it’s plugged in. I’ve always kept it plugged in with a cord but kept the setting on Bluetooth. Am still in the clear if I use Bluetooth but still have the controller plugged in with a cable?

I can say with years of rocket league playing, this is simply not the case for my usage. I notice much more consistent and fluid experience when wired. Not the either are bad, but I can instantly notice a difference when I plug in my controller. The science here isn’t matching my experience.

Using usb cable communication setting is an important thing for some gamers maybe even for most as we don't have to charge controllers while using this setting so the idea that it can cause issues like increasing input lag should absolutely be considered absurd even if it is true

Thanks for making this now i know what to do for input lag!

Is this the same for a scuf controller or should I have my scuf with a wired connection?

I had some really bad stick drift on my dualsense. My player camera would randomly jerk to the right in games. I started using it as a wired connection and haven't had any problem since. Its been about 2 months since this fixed the issue.

This doesn't even really feel that important though. On wired the input delay is unnoticeable and if you're using something like a controller that 1 extra frame isn't gonna do anything.

What about using a 3rd party wired-only controller for PS4? Does it have the same disadvantages?

Does this test take into account both V1 and V2 versions of the DualShock 4?

Are we going to talk about the stick drift With most PS5 controllers, especially the newer colored controllers.

I’d like to see a video on why ps5 controllers only seem to last a month or two before some type of defect sets in. I haven’t even had my ps5 a year yet and I’m on my 4th controller. The first controller out of no where got serious stick drag. Then I had two of them have the same problem with the charging port. I bought new wires thinking maybe the charging wires had worn out, only to find out it’s the actual controller that just won’t charge anymore. Anyone else have these issues with brand new ps5 controllers or do I just have the worst luck ever?

Does the DS4 also have this polling rate problem when used with a PC?

Never thought about it this much was to busy thinking which game to play next 😂

I have never had input lag in my entire life

I dunno, the original standard USB "polling rate" on a PC is 250 ms, which can be upped to 1,000 ms in newer hardware. In almost all gaming mice, wired is better than wireless, as bluetooth does have to have error correction and multichannel rejection.

Nice! Does PS5 charger work on PS4 controller ?

I hope that helped someone, because I know that from time I first used wireless communication. 4 example sharing songs via Bluetooth and by usb

This may just be my experience, but I will put money on the fact that stick drift was an issue with wireless connection on PS5 but was not when wired. The only reason I play wired really.

Can you provide proofs?

You’re saying to use game mode on the monitor, I have one that says gamer 1 and another that says gamer 2, isn’t that just for the specific brightness, saturation, and colours? (Where you can choose red, green and blue from 0-100) I got a Tuf gaming Asus VG279 QM btw

Does playing with my controller always plugged to the console and using the USB Communication connection affects it on the future?

The dualsense has its own problems, that for being a crappy controller, breaks very easily. Stick drift, r2 button lose etc. Im on my second controller right now.

That's a lie tbh, I'm not the only one that has felt a difference in the wired connection and I believe a couple other RU-vidrs tested it before and it was proven to be faster

I’m on a PlayStation 5 console with a battle beaver DS4 controller , and I only play warzone / call of duty should I be hardwired in or use Bluetooth ? To many contradicting statements

is there a difference when using a two ended type c cord? just noticed that he's using the older USB port.

you’re wrong about input lag being worse through usb on past gen consoles. Digital Foundry specifically tested this in Uncharted and found that wired usb had a better input lag than wireless bluetooth. Polling rate does not equal overall input lag, it is just a measurement of how many times in an interval does the signal update, it has nothing to do with how fast that signal is received and processed which are also major components of overall input lag.

The wire has faster input lag in older PS4 controllers models. It was only the newest models what don't work. Obviously when I use the wire connection it's not automatic. You've got to go in the settings and switch it to wired connection. From Bluetooth connection. If not you will be charging the battery and using Bluetooth. You didn't mention that there will be people thinking it's automatic when plugging wire in.

Hello I have a question if I use my phone type c charger to chagre my ps5 controller is that anything?

@JohnGlasscock Do you get the same results with PS4 PRO controller?

still doesn't fix Elden Ring's dodge roll lol

this is wrong. You actually get less input lag on the dual sense when wired. There are a few videos about it and i can tell the difference from wired and non wired. There is definitely less delay when wired

Would have loved a link to that post on the subreddit!

Is the connection between the playstation and the controller really bluetooth? because bluetooth is slow af when it comes to gaming peripherals or am I wrong there?

Who plays wired anyway?

I've always used blue tooth bc the inputs always just felt smoother and had better reaction times

I don’t know if the console makes a difference but the moment I went wired with my PS4 Scuf on my PS5 I could see the difference not just feel it. I’ve had my Edge plugged in exclusively since day one but with a 4hr battery life I may just keep doing that until bigger replacement batteries come out.

That explains alot about what my wired PS4 controller is doing then ..midway through watching a video it rewinds it's self

This is very interested stuff. I am a programming enthusiast, off topic. Can someone help me understand why DualSen and PS4 controllers PS button do not work on PS3? thank you!

What if you've got a headset connected to the 3.5 jack of the controller? That would require additional bluetooth bandwidth potentially increasing input lag?

I’m having no problems either way but thanks for the share upper! 👍🏽

I hope one day you start doing pc tutorials! you are awsome!

Hey I know this has nothing to do with this clip but my PS5 when I click the button for it to go on it used to automatically turn on and I wouldn't need any control..the game.woukd come on the TV and that's that .now I have to press the button and then go to my Vizio control and scroll to where it says game.console..any info would help ty

What about a ps4 scuf controller on a ps4 or using the ps4 scuf on a ps5 to play ps4 games what would the input lag be then wired vs wireless?

I use a mod pack with the inside paddles. I should probably get a wireless SCUF you think?

The Xbox 360 was better on wired connection by design which is probably where PlayStation users are assuming the same but over time wireless has sped up a LOT. There was a 20% decrease in latency from Xbox 360 to Xbox One for example. Same as monitor latency has dropped back from CRT to plasma and then TFT etc. My old Pioneer plasma was awful playing games like COD for example.

What's that game with the little pink dragon?

My biggest gripe is they stuck with the smooth raised edge thumbs sticks and my fingers slip right off of them. There is a slight gap because right next to the ridge is a depression and they are too smooth. Not good for sweaty hand people. My fingers stay on ps3 controllers better because i grip different and it kind of rolls to edge of thumb a bit when angled or my thumb slips off easier. Ps3 grips are much better. I go back and forth alot between my ps3 and ps4. And to be honest i like the lightness of the ps3 and the fact my hands are a bit closer together. Fills more comfy.

Any idea about input lag on DualShock 4 when used with PS5?

Any tips for controller drift?