Plot Points Oda Did Not Plan!! - One Piece Discussion | Tekking101 

That makes more sense. Vivi is so integral to the story it's hard to believe it wasn't planned.

He's said that he decided to make her a princess after drawing her with her hair down one time.

Oda said that one day he was drawing vivi and he thought that she looked like a princess and thus idea for alabasta arc started...

@@jacobharris3002 its rumor

I liked that we went from essentially a grim silhouette of him, to his current design as we learned more about him. It never even registered until it was brought up how much his design changed, it just kinda fit for me with him going from just kinda a plot device, to being fleshed out and meeting people who personally knew him. Like early on we met the legend of Gol D. Roger, now we're seeing the actual man behind it.

I wish she stayed with the Straw Hats so bad

Does he say that? I just remember him saying he only agreed to fight Whitebeard, but Shanks wasn't part of this agreement.

In the manga he doesn’t but in the anime he adds “you should quit as well”

Curesed blades are explained as just being good blades that weak people can handle

He could also do a what if Law became a Marine !

Up for the 'personality transplant' idea Até mais ver mr. Poneis

Those are good ideas.

lets make it 7 ideas for Law year! @tekking101 do all of em

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Z?

Im glad im not the only one who decided to look into this. Fun note ximenia is also called sea lemon.

@@kobiiscoolerthanyou7877 zhe fruit or ziziphus fruit.

There's also quash

I like this video idea

Choppers hat

Yeah, I’d imagine it is like that. One piece has been the best selling manga for decades. I am pretty sure if he says he wants to do something they fully trust him. Unless he said he wanted Luffy to die or something wild like that. Pretty sure after just a couple years they slowly just gave Oda their full trust and just give advice. They help him make the manga more marketable and bounce ideas with him story wise.

but he can almost kill a strawhat It happens like every arc to zoro

i can tell you as someone who has done some writing the thing with editors is that is a push and pull most of the time, they bounce off ideas to see what works and what doesnt works and how they can adapt the story and certain ideas, sometimes having a second or a third opinion can help you discover weaknesses on your story and polish the narrative even more it does depend on the writer, the editor and the story of course this is also not exclusive to editors, i have a bunch of friends who are also writers and we are bouncing ideas from one another all the time

I think about Vivi. Oda may have planned on having the strawhats meet the princess of Arabasta, but he wasnt planning on Vivi being the princess. maybe the princess was just being kidnapped by barroque works in wisky peak or something but it made her look weaker, instead we got a more proactive Vivi being a spy

Makes sense, if we remove the Luffy vs Zoro fight then we just have Zoro KOing a bunch of scrubs including Miss Wednesday.

@@omarmendez1623 He did plan on Vivi being the princess (perhaps not by that name, but the princess was there). When he didn't have in mind was Miss Wednesday being Vivi. He said it in an interview for the One Piece Magazine, IIRC, and GLR or Roger made a video about it. He just thought the character he had created for Miss Wednesday looked Royal when trying to come up with a princess for Alabasta, so instead of creating a new character he built that into Miss Wednesday

Oh you beat me to it xD We had the same idea I see

a another fruit for Q is quince, hard to eat but tasty as marmalade

Why. Why would you do this to us

Giving the people what we want to see but not need

D should be Durian

Thank you

Now we need a devil fruit alphabet

Trash . Vagabond Vinland saga and berserk and hunter hunter were all weekly at some point and are very consistent in their writing . Stop making excuses. Even JJK .

@@jayloncollins9681 Vagabond, Vinland, HunterxHunter are on hiatus and berserk mangaka died without finishing (RIP miura). All this critically acclaim great mangas are always in hiatus because its that hard to maintain a good quality manga consistently on a weekly/monthly basis. I give Oda sensei credit because for almost 25 years, he consistently bring quality manga not only in the writing aspect but also in his drawings (love HxH but the drawing of that manga is just lazy). On average Oda is releasing about 42 chapters per year while togashi is releasing 16 chapters per year.

@@StealthBlack210 jjk

@@StealthBlack210 chainsawman

@@jayloncollins9681 I love chainsawman (Finished). And JJK is in its early stage. Its like 4 years old, its relatively new compared to One piece and HxH. Kingdom is a much more closer with this two than JJK since it has the quality, longevity and the consistency of release like one piece.

These are the moments I wish I could a comment more then 1 Like

Chopper would not join if law was there before meeting chopper

@@christianlovato8088 I dunno, he's still a transforming reindeer that can fight, that's probably enough for Luffy to want him to join.

@@christianlovato8088 And miss out on the emergency food supply / monster reindeer?? I think NOT!

In my treasure cruise team, thats exactly the head Canon I went with when designing the crew. Making luffy the captain and law the co-captain. The crews new name is the "straw-heart" pirates. Basil is also on the crew because he is made of straw and I love puns lol.

I feel like a lot if these aren't enough for one vid

I believe Law met his first crewmates after wandering into the nearest town after Corazon's death.

In chapter 762, law was taken in by a nun who called him and other children 'lammy'. Was Law nearly taken in by the WG? What would Law become if he was in the WG?

Marines took those and eat them so delicious 😋🥴

You beat me too it with the 2nd one. ;) +1

ah shit you beat me with the first one

@@abraxolotl maybe he will do these ideas if more people want them done 😊

@@dingochungis6814 hey, at least we had the same idea! Lets hope he turns them into videos 😁

@@jayzeetv I wont say that's the intent.... but I will heavily imply it. ;)

My guess for Oda's view on Haki during Crocodile's arc was that he had a plan on implementing something that could combat Logia users, and that it would show up later in the story, but he hadn't actually fleshed the idea out.

@@shadowlugia18011 Yea, I think that haki in general was ultimately just a way to beat logia instead of trying to figure out a weakness for each element.

Devil Fruits are a great power system, but it could lead to serious roadblocks if that's all there is to it. Luffy vs Enel shows this better than anything else, some fruits will naturally work better against others, there needed to be something else. Also, fighters like Zoro and Sanji needed to be relevant in fights without the fruits. A secondary power system that accounts for that was necessary for the fights to keep making sense.

@@ritacirocavalcante If logia couldn't become intangible then there wouldn't be a *need* for a secondary power system to balance them out. The only real roadblock with Devil Fruist is that Logia become virtually unbeatable without haki. The idea of some fruit working better against others isn't really a problem, that just means that when a character has an unfavourable matchup then they have to use more creativity to win fights Enel even showed that he could overcome the weakness by using his DF to create heat and bladed weapons to fight Luffy. More creative fights are a good thing. Keep in mind that I think haki is really cool and interesting but haki actually makes fights less creative because now most fights ultimately come down to who has the stronger haki.

@@hostjoe crocodile had haki blackbeard confirmed that "when he said your haki's gotten stronger"

#7 is interesting🤔

@@gabrielu.r.c.2380 Number 4 too, Vegapunk might really want to meet Law

@@epicgeneration1927 both of thease are some of my favourite theories lol😅

Reason why I stopped bothering with theory channels years ago.

I agree but I also think that subtracts from the fact that what he foreshadows is mainly a tool to freestyle some more. It's not meticulously planned but it's very well planned.

It is very much a chicken or the egg situation. We don't know if Oda planned everything out or if what he is writing now is the result of what he improved beforehand.

I'm going to foreshadow your comment to hell and back lol

@@SwfanredLotr yeah oharas theory’s are cool ideas but there seems to be so much apparent foreshadowing that if are true and these theories are correct then oda is a literal god

Good point!

He could have just let him be Luffys actual brother. Being Dragons son would have been reason enough for him to be publicly executed.

That’s not what happened, he planned ace being roger’s son , then made him enter the impel down

@@She-Devil94 luffy is dragon's son and he isn't set for public execution when they found him in impel down nor was heavily pursued when he was found in marineford war also being dragon's son means he would also be harps grandson and no one gonna be killing garps grandson in a public execution

Didn’t the marines want to draw whitebeard out with ace?

Ikr

I know right? I can't imagine post tineskip without them

That still seems so wierd to me. They were implemented so well. Usually major last minute decisions like this end up hurting the story.

I still feel nothing towards them, even law. You had hawkins and drake which seemed interesting but weren't utelized well. All 9 of them I would be fine without.

I watched a time lapse of his colorspread with Tama with the Hat. He drew the scene with her on luffys back. She was looking at the statues. Then ,as if he saw what happened next, he drew her running to put the Hat on the statue. It's like he's looking in on the World. And showing us what's going on.

His characters write at least half of the story on their own, that's why their actions remain consistent. Yes, he places the character he needs where he needs them, yes, sometimes he will come with some ass-pull for plot convenience (Big Mom's amnesia, for instance), but for the most part how they react to what they have in front of them is up to the character. And that's only possible because of how deeply layered and developed those characters are. Even if it is not on the pages of the manga in some cases, I'm positive his tons of notebooks with notes are filled with personality traits and details for every character

Being an author, everything you say is true. Sometimes puzzle pieces fall together in your own mind in a way that not even you expect, other times they start to fall apart and you have to rush to correct them. For example, I once had to create four new characters in about a week to correct a problem I hadn’t realized in my draft. In the chapter I’m working on now, a conversation between two characters escalated into an argument, but that scene didn’t exist in my imagination prior to me sitting down and writing it. Writing, even nonfiction writing, is an exercise in revelation: slowly pulling back the border between the conscious and subconscious mind to reveal assumptions that you didn’t realize you were making, some good, others not. All to say: Tekking probably overestimates the role of the editor in these decisions, though that is what an editor is for: revealing the author’s assumptions to either correct or build around.

Y’all giving him props for writing as he goes . Which isn’t always bad but in one piece case it is very obvious that he’s writing as he goes with some characters literally coming from his ass with little to too late foreshadowing. For example characters like Oden who are very important to the overall story and important in the world of one piece . It is absurd that oden was not mentioned in marineford at the very least . A pirate that traveled with WB and Roger . That’s obviously something he didn’t plan . I won’t give oda as much props as some of y’all do as a writer . One piece is so popular people confuse popular with quality . Oda is a meta writer not a great author . Great authors do almost everything with intent . Also his character dialogue is dog shit . It’s a shame you have all these different personalities and characters and you can’t seem to make a compelling chapter with dialogue between these characters that hold weight . Screaming “Luffy will become the pirate king” is not powerful because we know he will become the Pirate king . This is a shonen of course. Even the fights are underwhelming and inconsistent in the power scaling . Look at the current arc no way Big mom should still be fighting Kid and Law and Luffy gapped Kaido and is going toe to toe with him . Absurd . I read one piece for the lore . Which is overrated as well however I am invested in what some of these anomalies like what is the one piece and what happened in the void century and characters backstories and what certain characters look like. I think this is the meta part of his writing he creates interest in that . However as a writer he is not very talented. Don’t confuse talent with popularity. Characters appearance change all the time . Kaido . Gol D Roger Nico Robin and even Oden is drawn very badly sometimes . I know everyone remembers Kaido original bounty poster . People just ignore the glaring problems in one piece . Haki blooming in fights is the most recent ass pull . Smh .

@@jayloncollins9681 Err.. no?? Nobody is saying anyone writes as he goes, you are just purposely misreading to fit an agenda. As I said in a different comment, he was already writing Alabasta while publishing Whisky Peak, that's thinking ahead and shaping the story. Not to mention the countless piles of notebook he has on everything. But if you are a good writer, your characters have personality, and when you write those characters you do it from that personality, which sometimes leads to things you did not foresee (because it is not YOUR personality). So when you put a well written character in a setting, their actions will be dictated by what personality you gave them, and there's a limit to how much steering you can do. For example, the fight between Luffy and Zoro was an asspull, hard steering to make something happen, and it feels wrong. Why would someone mention Oden in Marineford? Oden is dead, Marineford was dealing with people that were very much alive and trying to kill each other. Except for Whitebeard's final words, not even Roger was mentioned, because they did not concern that arc AT ALL. And you are confusing "foreshadowing " with "namedropping", as foreshadowing for Oden started when Ace was offered the Second Division Commander position. What did you want? Sengoku casually telling Garp, in the middle of a massive war, "Do you remember that guy Oden from Wano? He was part of both Whitebeard's and Roger's crew. Weird, huh?" THAT would be bad writing. There was nothing happening that would call for Oden being referenced. And what does drawing have to do with writing?? So Oda is a bad writer because during 25 years character design changed? You remind me of the guy that said that OP was bad because merch bought in Japan took to long to arrive (I'm not kidding, there's a review in MAL that says that), and that the pacing in the ANIME was slow because Oda was too greedy in his world building, because good anime = short. Last but not least, the concept of haki blooming in fights was introduced in Ruskaina by Rayleigh, around chapter 600. That means that for the last 400 or so chapters, i.e. 10+ years, i.e. almost half of the series, there has not been one asspull, according to you. Sounds good to me! But putting aside the fact that you didn't even realize what your words meant, conflict being parent to development is factual. Why are there anti-seismic buildings, for example? Because there are quakes. Quakes led engineering to come up with a way to resist them. Conflict was parent to development. Why did sharks develop extra rows of teeth? Why did dogs develop facial muscles to capable of emulating human facial expressions? Conflict forces you to develop

Original bounty of Roger was probably around 550 million , that way Luffy final bounty is 565.6 million, that reads gomu gomu

@@Blackheart.735 wait then was ace’s bounty a nod to that?

Was about to comment the same. I think when it got to the point, Oda was just like well I've already got this female character designed, so I can save myself some hassle and twist a few things around to make it fit.

@@Darklusterangel I remember hearing something about is, I think in an SBS. Apparently, Oda drew Vivi with her hair down, and was like. You know what, she looks like a princess. And that, that right there was the start of the Alabasta idea.

Indeed, skypia currently the focus of a few theories, could have been the firsts foreshadowing point of the one piece. Since it was expected to end in 5 or do years at the time, that really could have been the moment when he actually figured out what the endgame was going to be.

I think that would be called "subtext", but I could be wrong.

@@Pinko-Diamond I think it was earlier than that with robin being added to the story. Her story about finding the truth of the world and needing to travel around to find specific things to decipher really gave way to the theories about a hidden story within the story and how the world government has more shades than we thought before Skypia was a good start but when water 7 began is when a lot of things came together like the yonko and how dangerous the void century is to learn about and even the ancient weapon being shown to have existed once and a lot of tiny details had Oda change the story overall. Then it goes to how scary the new world is with moria despite being lazy was still powerful and Ace's capture for the story. This is the time when Oda probably saw his story was just getting started with lore

@@brandenwalton2914 nope it's not subtext. It's a specific type of word that means "connecting a small detail made early on to current events to be perceived as forshadowing" basically if Oda said "x" and then brings it up many years later it seems like it connects Luke with shanks talking about where he got the gum gum fruit and we only find out about it now but somehow not one marine knew the fruit was stolen and that Luffy had it.

@@mrbubbles6468 I just said that. It would be strange to see considering how much happens in paradise half before the yonko are even made reference

Makes since since she infiltrated the organization.

I mean, writers plan in advance. The decision to make Lucci a villain clearly happened before he was introduced. So I think it meant he drew the character and then decided to make him a villain. Instead of deciding a villain and then drawing them.

If you watched Grandline Review's vid, all the supernovas (except Luffy and Zoro) were not supposedly in the series. He created all those additional characters a few chapters before their actual introduction.

I think the anime has a lot to do with why we didn't get to see a lot of Kid in-story. His magnet fruit is a NIGHTMARE to animate, and the anime has always worked on a tight budget. I can imagine Oda wanting to show more of him and being vetted by his editor. Maybe that's for the best, the OP anime may have been ugly at points, but it could have been an even bigger mess had Kid been a bigger part of it.

Law prolly keeps a tightly run ship, so it’s possible he has the whole crew where uniforms to make sure they’re more physically and mentally professional and ready to work. Why the boiler suits, though…maybe Law likes them a lot, but is too cool to wear one

@@perry-1572 he probs has one he can quickly swap into with his powers should a job open up were he needs to take a hand in helping otherwise his job as doctor means he doesn't

Tekking did a what-if each straw hat main character video??

@@pranavdatar9170 I vaguely remember something like that. Not sure if that's what it was titled, but yeah.

@@internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77 Could you give me link if you find the videos?

Nah, I always thought it was originally a joke, One Piece is a comedy, but when Oda decided to make a third brother, he got inspiration from the tattoo for the name for Sabo. Or maybe he got the inspiration to create a three brother from the tattoo itself later on.

Or maybe Luffy could be the exception.

Sure but none of these moments are foreshadowed. Possibly the Ace or Shanks stuff, but that’s it.

It's fun to think that it's apart of the one piece experience racking your brain and figuring out what has meaning or not.

Right! But How Oda was able to add more ideas and make them work is really impressive. His original plan was for it to end after 5 yrs but look at what happened, it's still running after 2 decades

they're all on Oda I think 😂

That’s Oda for you. In his interviews , he admitted himself that he doesn’t like killing his characters, this is the reason why his character in general all have high durability that allow them to survive all kind of damages when the plot need to. It is what it is, we have to accept it

@@donrog5035 Pedro dying was a huge surprise to me. Also Monet was a crazy moment. Enel was weird since each of his attacks caused a fakeout death 😂