Martin...I don't no whether to blame you or thank you! After your PMA 450B video I decided that this was the upgrade I have been waiting for. So I swapped my PMA 450 for the "B" model and now have it installed in my Arrow. The only glitch was the "alert" function which requires a "special" installation manual for dealers only. So after I spoke with PSE who then sent this new manual to the dealer, it was back over a mountain pass here in Colorado and then only about a 20 minute configuration change. Now the 450B "reminds" me of a "Master Caution" and low fuel situation from my JPI EDM 830. I particularly like the "auto" feature of Intelliaudio as well as the dual bluetooth channels, one for my iPad mini and the other for the iPhone (ground use ONLY, of course :) ). Thanks for spending my money for me!!! Jim
Hi Jim, Sorry to hear this video turned out to be expensive for you. 😁 I have not yet connected the alert function to anything. Maybe down the road... Best, Martin
@@martinpauly Martin... I won't hold this against you ! :) If you do connect the "alert" messages know that the connectivity information to do that is NOT part of the owner's "installation manual". It is in a dealer-only supplement. I have my alerts set for the "master caution" alert and also a low fuel alert from the EDM-830. Hopefully Oshkosh will be held next year and, if you attend that rather than your LONG bike ride, I can have the opportunity to meet you in person! Cheers...Jim
Glad you like them, Tim! I wish I could promise more of them in the near future, but this may be it for a while. At some point, there'll be an EFIS and a new autopilot coming to my Bonanza, but that will require me to save up - we are talking real money here. Best, Martin
I’m super excited about this audio panel . Gus is getting a new panel starting tomorrow and we have been planning to use this since scheduling the upgrade 6 months ago. It will be a serious upgrade from my old KMA 20 😳.
Glad you enjoyed it, Damian - and I was very happy to get an invite to visit the company. Not everyone is eager to let a camera into their buildings. Regards, Martin
Very cool. There are some awesome military intercom systems that can use 3D audio to give a spatial indication of traffic alerts from the EGPWS system and also ties the physical location of cockpit items, like Fire handles and landing gear levers.
Hey Kevin. My understanding is the spatial audio concept from the 450B was originally developed by the military, and then licensed by PS Engineering for their audio panels. It's great stuff, for the reasons you mention! - Martin
Klasse Video, danke Martin! Ich habe in meiner Bonnie ein funktionierendes GMA340 überlege aber wirklich das PMA.. Great video and content! thx, Daniel
Vielen Dank, Daniel. Der Austausch (GMA430 -> PMA450B) ist eine Sache von wenigen Minuten. Hast Du schon eine Stereoverbinding zu Deinen Headsets? Wenn nicht, würde ich wenigstens Pilot und Copilot für Stereo verkabeln - das ist sehr einfach und schnell zu machen; an die hinteren Sitze kommt man meist nicht so gut ran. Gruss, Martin
@@martinpauly ja vorne ist Stereo verkabelt. Habe leider jetzt seit ein paar Tagen einen springenden Drehzahlmesser. Kabel vorne ist geprüft ohne Befund- jetzt muss ich mal unter der Avionik Abdeckung nachsehen. Alles noch analog. Jetzt verschieben sich schnell die prios. Nichts desto trotz habe ich das Thema im scope. Lieben Dank für deine Antwort & Grüße- Daniel
Love PS Engineering! I wish they made the 450 to be pin compatible with the KMA-28. I can only upgrade to the 7000BT. The problem with replacing an audio panel, is that if it is not pin compatible you will pay a lot on labor since the audio panel "touches" all the other hardware...
Awesome video Martin! That is one sweet sounding panel. I listened with just pc speakers and was easily able to comprehend both channels. I am about to start flying a 1962 skylark, and I could very easily see one of these panels going in there. Question: Does is also have a function to mute screaming kids in the back seat?
Yes, it does have the usual intercom isolation modes (ALL - CREW - ISO), with a few additional goodies like the "alternate intercom" mode I briefly mentioned in the video. - Martin
thanks Martin, I love what you did in this video as you have solved one of the problems i always have. I hope that upgrade is not that expensive. have fun stay safe
I have spoken to many people who have this panel (or an earlier one from this 450 series), and hav yet to find someone who regretted getting it. 👍 - Martin
I’m sure these are often asked questions but what head set do you use and what yoke mount for you IPad? Great video as always and I think I’ll swap out my Garmin audio panel for the 450B👍
I actually recorded this on the ground, but yes, the way it was cut together, it almost looks like it's in the air. Last I checked, the FCC still does not allow cellular phone calls to be made while flying. Regards, Martin
Hey, Martin Just want to say thank you for the nice contents of your videos. I’m a new pilot and you’ve helped me a lot. Also, Have you ever thought about making something to help new pilots with ATC radio communications? You’re great at it and I’m pretty sure you would help us a lot
Thank you for the kind feedback - glad to hear you find my videos helpful as you explore the world of flight. I don't know how to do a "recipe book" for ATC communication, but have you seen this other video I made recently: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4AwAxsfCBuA.html Best regards, Martin
Very nice. When will you be upgrading the gaffa tape to the RHS of the avionics stack! I’m sure someone must make a tape with a wood veneer backing. English humour ......
Ha - well, honestly, I though the gaffer tape looked OK there as it at least somewhat matches the metal part. But not so much the wood veneer - you are right there, Andy. Longer term, there is going to be a bigger panel upgrade in my (distant) future for an EFIS and a new, digital autopilot. At that point in time, I will replace the whole panel. Bye bye, wood veneer! 👍 Kind regards, Martin
Thanks for another very interesting video! What would be really cool, if the audio panel could filter my callsign from atc. Isn’t that the case with HF coms in airliners? Really cool that PS is doing it all in house. You can tell that he’s proud of his accomplishments. Well done. Now I need to check PS website. I still have this ancient PMA8000B... ;-))
Hi Timm, You are referring to SELCAL, which alerts the crew of an incoming call for their flight. SELCAL goes far beyond the audio panel, and requires ground equipment as well. But who knows, maybe in the future there could be a voice recognition feature built into our radios or audio panels? Regards, Martin
@@martinpauly Yes, exactly! I forgot the name. Ok, I see, that sounds like a pretty complicated technology, not just an easy upgrade... But as you said: Who knows... ;-)
Martin, I just talked to my avioncs technician about 3D audio. He said, that it requires headphone plugs to be stereo-wired. Was this the case in your Bo? I’m pretty sure it didn’t came from factory like that. Not sure if mine is. Its a 1992 A36. Need to check. If not, I would leave it alone.
@@timmholzhauer3342 Correct, you need the installation wired for stereo, which is very easy and quick to do at least for the pilot and copilot jacks. It might add a couple of hours of labor to the installation, and $10 worth of parts. The ones for the back seat are harder to get to and usually require the removal and reinstallation of some interior parts, for the wiring. My A36 has the pilot and copilot jacks wired for stereo. I did not bother upgrading the passenger seats in the back yet - one day I may redo my whole interior, and then this will be added. A couple of other thoughts: (1) You probably want stereo just for the music anyway, not just the IntelliAudio - meaning many installations with a GMA340 or similar older audio panel are already stereo for that reason. (2) It goes without saying that your headset needs to be stereo as well. Regards, Martin
@@martinpauly I checked my headset plugs. They are stereo wired! Yeah! Have you looked at the GARMIN GMA345? I have an almost all Garmin panel, so I’m thinking if that would be a better fit. It has pretty much the same features than the PMA450B. My impression is that you’re not the biggest fan of GARMIN... I guess that has to do with your job. ; - )
I think you are only the 15th or so person to ask me that today! 😁 The answer is: I traded my 8000BT in when I got the 450B. So I'm afraid it's not for sale. Best regards, Martin
Garmin has their 3D sound which is similar to this. Since you have the ear of PS Engineering, maybe ask: how great would it be if there was a mode where it recorded com2 and paused playback while com1 was receiving but continuing to record? Once the com1 message was complete, com2 would resume. This way you could listen to the ATIS uninterrupted without having to go around 3 times to make sure you got everything. You could also have it so com2 manually paused. After receiving a call, manually pause com2, reply, continue with com2 when ready. RW, FF, seems like a good idea for the deluxe version, too. Both Garmin and Avidyne currently record messages and can replay them like PSE's IRS, but none seems to buffer the ATIS and let you parse your way through it as you have time. PS Engineering could jump to the front of the line.
Another great video, Martin. I think you have posted this before, but can you remind me what headset you use and how the ANR compares to Bose A20 or other ANR headsets? Thanks!
Hi Brian, The headset I use is called Halo, from Quiet Technologies. It uses foam plugs in the ears. Attenuation is very good, though not as good as the top-end ANR headsets. On the plus side, you get something extremely light-weight with no pressure on your head/ears. And you never run out of batteries with the Halo. 😁 - Martin
Martin, this reminds of the "Carousel of Progress" at Disneyland. At the end of each era you watch, they always say, "Things just keep getting better and better". Your Bonanza is like that. You keep adding and improving what was already a pretty great aircraft and it just keeps getting better and better. This was indeed a fabulous addition to your panel. Congrats!
I have not yet used the streamer function to record audio. I want to try it sometime to see how well it works. Right now, I am recording the analog headphone signal. - Martin
OK Martin, I’ll admit it. I thought trying to hear two ATIS’s at the same time would be useless, but I put in my earbuds to try it anyway. It was amazing! I could actually clearly hear either one by concentrating on it! Hmmm... maybe time to upgrade my PS Engineering unit also!
Two ATIS transmissions at once really IS useless - but it is a nice example I can reproduce, to show the difference from the old audio panel to the new with IntelliAudio. That's why I did it. Regards, Martin
May be a dumb question, but how did you get your music to your phone? Did you have cell service? Or do you have wifi from your plane? I've been trying to figure out a way to get music on the cheap without paying a grand for a receiver for SeriousXM. I was thinking about getting another antennae for a "portable" receiver I use in the truck. Maybe I'm just overlooking something obvious. I had all new stereo jacks installed when I just upgraded to an Avidyne AMX 240. Oh, I forgot to say what a great sounding system you now have. Well done.
Hi Wayne. I'm somewhat old school... For most of my listening, the music is stored on my phone. That way, I don't have to worry about having WIFI or even a cellular signal. The thought of getting XM for the plane for music, news etc. is actually pretty nice - I have it in the car, and so far I shy away from the additional subscription cost for the plane. Best regards, Martin
It’s my understanding it can send Bluetooth to a recorder so you can record the audio to an iPad or phone. Do you know if this requires an app and if so which one works well for recording cockpit audio?
Yes, it has the capability. I have seen people talk about a free app called FlightLink in this context. I have not tried it myself, because I use the two bluetooth channels as inputs for different devices - I'd have to sacrifice one of them for output instead. Regards, Martin
@@martinpauly I just installed the Dynon Skyview HDX so now my IPad has less relevance in my cockpit. I use it more for a notepad now. I think I may try recording audio on it and using the other BT channel for my phone. This would help eliminate cord clutter in my cockpit. Thanks for the great video!
70TB just keeps getting fancier and fancier. I think all that's left now is a PFD... I know you were looking at them in a past video. So I can't wait for that installation, whenever you decide to do it.
@@martinpauly Oh, I'm sure. I assumed that was still pretty far off. Fronting the cost to maintain an airplane as nice as that one is no joke, even without fancy avionics. I hope I can be an owner someday.
Hello Martine, i got the 8000BT as well. I guess its time for upgrade :) PMA450B has audio out, wondering if you're able to record the cockpit audio via Bluetooth when you’re recoding video from your iPhone or Android? Thanks
Yes, Shawn, you could record the cockpit audio through Bluetooth with the 450B. I use an analog recorder instead, because I use both of the 450B's Bluetooth channels as inputs. - Martin
@@martinpauly great. Thanks a lot. I mainly record Videos though my IPhone and I’ve to use a cable to record cockpit audio. This is a great function for me via Bluetooth 😎
Hi Dan, the sound quality in the headset has not changed from the PMA 8000BT I had before. The 8000 is already excellent; the 450B adds more configuration options, a much nicer interface, and a second independent Bluetooth channel. - Martin
Greetings from Australia! When your phone is paired for making or receiving calls with the audio panel can you record a video on your phone and pick up ATC audio? do you need to change any settings like BT1 or BT2?
With the old unit...sometimes the audio quality is so bad it boggles the mind that you can understand any of it..(IMHO). I can hear the difference even over my computer speakers. Much better.
@@martinpauly I'm assuming residual resale for the old PMA panel. It does seem like the 8000BT is worth somewhere close to $1k on the used market, so nothing to sneeze at. :-D
Yes, but... If I merely say "Hey Siri" into my headset, the phone won't respond. Same is true when I connect the phone to my car using Bluetooth. Now, if I activate Siri with the side button, then yes, I can use Bluetooth to talk to it through my headset and intercom. - Martin
G, day Martin from SYSS Sydney, Australia. The PS Engineering ps8000 radio receiver is amazing technology and thanks for the tour of the manufacturing of this electronic component. 1. My first impression was dislike to hearing two radio frequencies audible at the same time. My critical analysis is: My plane identification, ATC comms, that relate to that plane. 2. Separation and heading (vector) of other aircraft in my region (review again with radar and voice warning). And VFR. If Bluetooth; via Iphone for music or telephone: will the ps8000 prioritise ATC or traffic warnings? Thanks Martin for this great video. 🦙🌏
Hello John. I don't believe anybody really LIKES hearing two transmissions at the same time - but sometimes when flying single-pilot IFR, there isn't a real alternative. Also, by law we are required (at least in the US) to monitor the emergency frequency 121.5 when flying. When playing music, you can select ("mute mode") if radio calls silence music or not. Regards, Martin
Good point - somewhat related, I have on several occasions used the Bluetooth phone connection to confirm the exact time of a restaurant reservation at our destination from the run-up pad before take-off. Very handy! - Martin
Sweet addition to a nice aircraft that you're making better all the time! Does the new audio panel has radio (as in clearance) playback for the last 30 seconds too? Please keep the videos coming.
Hi Bill - It does have this feature. (I also have the PMA450B). You hold down the Com1 or Com2 ("C1" or "C2") receive button for about 1-2 seconds, and it replays the last transmission received on that channel. You can then hold the button down again to skip to previous transmissions. It works well, but I personally wish it had a dedicated button for this purpose, because I use it often.
