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Point and Shootout - Klasse S vs. Olympus XA 

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In this video we run through the similarities and differences in a head-to-head comparison of two rather unlike cameras - The Fujifilm Klasse S and the Olympus XA. Both are 35 mm cameras; both have roughly the same lens setup 35-38mm and f2.8 and both are, well, rather different. Not better or worse, just different.

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@jeff5721
@jeff5721 Месяц назад
Very useful comparison. I've owned three XAs and they've certainly captured some great images over the years. I've looked at the Klasse from afar for a long time, but so far haven't been able to justify a purchase at many times the cost of an XA (especially since I've never spent more than $100 on a camera). For now I'm content shooting a near-mint Minolta XD SLR I picked up for $75. Outstanding images but a heavier carry than a P&S, no doubt.
@clarhettcoalfield3616
@clarhettcoalfield3616 Год назад
That is the kicker, you said it - 'how outrageously expensive they are' , me I'm a enthusiast, a hobbyist, I'm not a working photographer, I am a retired analogue camera repair man out in West Hill, Ontario, and I would rather spend $150 Canadian on a Nikon Fe/Fm complete with a 50mm lens, or spend a bit more and get a Minolta XE-7 with a 50mm lens and have a blast shooting to my hearts content, knowing that the photos will be free of the typical draw backs and restraints with those shot on any of the typical/popular point and shoot cameras available online. I believe the 'fun' that these point and shoots have, comes from a marketing direction of it being worry free, just point and shoot, no thinking required. At least that's what the camera brands were spewing back in the 80's and 90's. The young enthusiasts and photographers of today, they seem to gravitate to that mantra, and may not want to invest in the longevity of the equipment they own, preferring to spend their money on the experience and adventure of shooting film, and that too serves a purpose so I wish them well. Thank for the video Alastair.
@andrewpreston4127
@andrewpreston4127 11 месяцев назад
Actually, I bought a point and shoot, Nikon's first autofocus/point and shoot, the L35AF when it first came on sale in 1983/4. For me it was brilliant, I hate lugging an SLR around, destroys the spontaneity. For me, the great advantage of a point and shoot is that you can use the automation to allow you to direct all your attention on what's in front of you at that moment, the scene. Putting it in polar terms..., quality of image v image quality. If I recall correctly around that time the FM/FM2 was somewhere near to, or actually was, a camera for professionals. Horses for courses.
@randallstewart1224
@randallstewart1224 Месяц назад
As to the direction of popular photography today in some groups. I agree. When you look at the photo videos on YT today, many younger people avoid the technical or quality and focus on the experience of the event of taking photos. For them, considerations of image tone, sharpness or composition are foreign. The small size and stylish design of the XA makes it a perfect camera for them. Sadly, they usually miss the opportunity to maximize the event by skipping the expense of film and having to pay for that pesky processing.
@Huginn1000
@Huginn1000 Год назад
Great comparison, thanks
@Fedbo
@Fedbo 5 месяцев назад
Many modern compact cameras only read dx code while the xa has manual iso with fine increments that can be used both as as exp. Comp or for pushing film :)
@dougscottking
@dougscottking Год назад
Thanks for the comparison. It is relevant as some of us XA owners might be shopping for “upgrades”. I have to say I prefer your XA images tbh. I think it looks slightly exposed to the right and the Fuji seems underexposed a bit but I guess that’s easy to fix with the exposure comp in the Fuji.
@child0fthesun
@child0fthesun 8 месяцев назад
I like your XA images better when comparing the entirety of it and not just the sharpness. Good review overall.
@xoio
@xoio 7 месяцев назад
I think the XA images look lovely, and have their own character and quality...
@douwevandevoort
@douwevandevoort Год назад
Interesting comparison. I think I actually prefer the images from the Olympus. Much better to work with in post-processing or in the darkroom. The images from the Fuji seem overly contrasty to me. Your miles may vary of course.
@andrewinaustintx
@andrewinaustintx Год назад
An excellent presentation comparing the compact camera equivalents of a Porsche and a Toyota. I clearly remember when the Olympus XA came out. In fact, I bought one. The camera's best feature is how non-intrusive it is in a public setting. With that said, I eventually gravitated to a Rollei 35S and still use it.
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird
The Rollei 35s is a camera I have zero experience with. I would love to try one out. I like the car analogy with these cameras. Very apt.
@randallstewart1224
@randallstewart1224 Месяц назад
More like a Porsche versus sporty Fiat or Yugo. For a small, not so light weight, manual camera which will last longer than you will, a Rollei 35S (or better, 35SE) can't be beat.
@bjarnejonasson6226
@bjarnejonasson6226 Год назад
Who ever is doing some your scans should clean their equipment. These are obviously scans with contrast added, I would assume automatically by the lab scanner, so talking about contrast and highlight detail becomes tricky.
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird
Interesting. I do the scans on a Hasselblad X1. No contrast added and it’s spotless. The scans are done as 16-bit RGB scans and they do have some input sharpening applied. I drag the output sliders in curves to get pleasing white and black points and a reasonable middle-grey for colour correction. Resize, make 8-bit RGB jpeg and then save. That’s it. Well, a bit of dust spotting, too.
@markgalura2891
@markgalura2891 Год назад
Comparing 5:03 vs 5:13 while I do agree its Klasse S has more contrast and edges are more sharper, the shadow detail is lost and replaced with a lot of grain (looking more like digital noise seen in some early y2k point and shoot digital cameras). I feel the Olympus XA is more in-line with what the eye sees. The sharpness of the Klasse S provides doesn't feel natural. Look at the trees in the centre rock formation... With the Olympus XA you can see the trunk, branches, leafs. With the Klasse S most of that information isn't even visible. It's just a lot of grain.
@roddheino
@roddheino Месяц назад
The XA does have exposure compensation
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Месяц назад
Yup. The little lever on the bottom of the camera will give you +1.5 stops.
@besperus4475
@besperus4475 Год назад
Apples and Oranges. Different. Like comparing Leica M11 to a Nikon J5.
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird
Well, yes. Of course. That's the whole point of the video. In one corner, a 35mm rangefinder film camera. In the other corner, a 35mm rangefinder film camera. How different (and/or similar) could they be? I guess we could have compared the Klasse to a T3 or a T4, but that would have just been boring. However, we didn't compare a Hasselblad to a Pen F. We compared two very similar cameras. They just had slightly different price points.
@kasimasi6747
@kasimasi6747 3 месяца назад
XA is not a POINT&SHOOT!
@randallstewart1224
@randallstewart1224 Год назад
Alastair seems almost apologetic for this review. Its the first time I've ever seen anyone down-rate a camera because its lens was too sharp. My guess is that with all of the nonsense hype over the XA, he didn't realize what a piece of crap it is until he was too invested to just throw the video away and doesn't want to offend his XA cult followers. The lens in the XA is a 6=element 35mm 2.8, so it must be better than average? In fact, it was a unique design, quite complex, which Olympus used because it let them fit the lens in the thin body without having to "pop" it out to use. Optical quality was not a design requirement. In fact, it tests so bad that you cannot tell it is photographing a resolution test chart. It also achieves more distortion, more vignetting, than any other 35mm camera lens of its vintage, maybe more than any other. The optical chromatic aberration is obvious in the photos illustrated. Olympus never used that rotten lens in another camera, and no other maker has ever copied its design. Then there are the other XA deficiencies, like all plastic which breaks, a very crude aperture and shutter mechanism (crap bokah anyone?), a finder which is hard to use, and a rangefinder so dim and inaccurate that it is practically worthless. I bought mine decades ago for about $50. When production stopped in 1985, the Japanese collectors' market drove the use price of an XA from around $40 to $175. Then Japan changed its tax laws, and folks stopped buying them. The prices fell like a stone back to $50-75. Once the YT hype blows over, the XAs left will plunge again. The Klasse of course runs with the Contax T2 and Nikon 35Ti. There is no comparison to an XA, except laughter
@FreezerKing
@FreezerKing Год назад
I enjoyed using my XA and I loved the character and rendering of the lens, it's very distinctive. Charts are not everything.
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird
I still like the XA, even if the lens isn't up to par with, well, anything else. And there are lots of cameras/lenses (Zeiss, I'm looking at you - but not only at you - Sigma - Your ART lenses also have to answer to this) that suffer from over-sharpness and a distinct lack of personality. Thanks for the rundown (seriously) on the history of the camera. I didn't realize all the tradeoffs they had to make in order to get that lens into that camera. And yes, the rangefinder does leave a lot to be desired.
@dave882
@dave882 Год назад
What a whiner. My xa cost $25 and works fine. All of these film cameras are going to provide character. You must get zero enjoyment from life living with the burden that other people might enjoy something simple.
@andrewpreston4127
@andrewpreston4127 11 месяцев назад
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Re:... ".... even if the lens isn't up to par with, well, anything else. .... ". No one needs to be particularly an XA fanboy to see this for what it is. Drivel.
@olio_benzina
@olio_benzina Месяц назад
You are absolutely right. How do I know? I have both cameras. Near enough anyway, my Fujifilm Klasse is the Klasse W version with the 28mm lens. It's in another world of image quality and it's been absolutely reliable since new. I was never happy with the XA in terms of image quality, but I was fascinated by the design. Fuji's other little rangefinder, the RC, has excellent image quality and full manual control plus Auto. It's underrated and reasonably priced.
@andrewpreston4127
@andrewpreston4127 11 месяцев назад
Hhhm. The way you started off this video ... going on for quite a while how wonderful the Klasse was, and how much better it was than the XA, whilst minimising the good bits of the XA, or not mentioning them at all..., rather ruined the video as any kind of objective assessment. As in, you'd decided beforehand what you were going to say, and then cherry picked specific photos that you asserted proved your point. For me, actually they didn't.
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird 11 месяцев назад
The Klasse by any measure, is technically a superior camera. And of course I decided beforehand what I was going to say. I went out, shot a ton with both cameras. Scanned in and retouched several dozen frames and then wrote a script. What else would you have me do? And what good bits of the XA did I miss? I love this XA. Fantastic camera, ton of fun. Not too expensive or complicated. Unlike, say, the Klasse.
@andrewpreston4127
@andrewpreston4127 11 месяцев назад
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Inability to take on board constructive and valid criticism.... probably explains why this video has so few views. Word tends to get around when a review is good, informative and unbiased. Yours isn't, for the reasons I've given.
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird 11 месяцев назад
@@andrewpreston4127 Allow me to ask you again, then. "what good bits of the XA did I miss?" And as for your other comment in a different thread about me referring to the XA lens as not being able to be compared to anything else - it is possibly drivel, but you aren't offering any valid counterpoints in any of your comments. Walk me through your feelings about the XA. I'm interested in what people have to say about the cameras and I'm open to criticism.
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