@@lawbreakerlawrence What I'm saying is I don't want to fight Sada cause I care about her however that purple jerk Turo I have no problem with vs that bastard I'll destroy him
This was easily the hypest ending to a Pokémon game i've ever played. The whole atmosphere surrounding this fight felt entirely and truly epic. The incredibly intimidating master ball shake and subsequent dropping while they stand 20-30 feet above you. While the track slowly kicks in, I've never been more impressed by an end games writing and set up as much as i was with Violet.
@Salvador Nope i didn't. I love gen 5 hands down my second favorite under gen 3. But idk Violets ending hit completely different. The whole vibe and build up of the ending was something I never experienced in all my years of pokemon.
Was cool thematically the writing wasn’t anything to speak of at all tho which made it a lot less epic than platinum and plasma/black and white endings for me for example even tho they weren’t as insane graphically I felt much more involved in what was going on then this slapped together last second thing out of left field. Kinda wish he/her were more involved throughout your story even if it was just more messages maybe holograms if they couldn’t meet with you for obvious reason for the story or another robot body so it would add substance to them and they had to trick you for everyone’s theirs and your own good type of thing idk.
@@Salvador-od3gc Gen 5 is my favourite, I have fought for it tooth and nail to the VERY end because I love every aspect of it...but no, not this time. This was an even better story in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, gen 5 will NEVER not be my favourite gen, it will ALWAYS hold my heart...but you can't be serious bringing up gen 5 compared to this.
One parent just left, the other died after not interacting with their own kid for years,and no one but a robot copy knew, which then pissed off into a Time Machine on a one way trip. Man, Arvens like a triple orphan
Quad if both of the stories are canon. You got two parents with very different career goals that either clash or contradicts the other’s and Arven is caught up in their egotistical wave.
To be fair to the AI it was connected to the time machine and needed to go somehow in order to stop it from releasing past/future pokemon into paldea and destroying the region. It couldn't just up and leave the lab either since its existence was connected to the tera crystals, so it did the best thing it could
@@Clover_2L The "fun" part is, with what little we do know of possible future additions, we might end up having said AI return, as the original exploration group documented the time displaced Pokemon before the time machine as the player knows of it was created, meaning something still living down there is why the Paradox Pokemon aren't seeming to decrease in quantity as we catch them. It could even be the canon reason for the 6 and 7 star raids: the time machine no longer siphoning energy from said creature could be strengthening the raid dens
Almost quadruple. Remember, Mabosstiff, Arven's ONLY friend/partner he had, almost died. The story becomes much sadder once you realize that Mabosstiff was literally all Arven had left.
I wish Gamefreak/Nintendo still did combo games like Emerald or Platinum. Imagine playing a combo of Scarlet and Violet where you take on these two in a doubles battle while Arven is breaking down in a corner from twice the trauma.
The Champion interview has Uva, Naranja and Manzana Academy as options when they ask you what school you attend. Obviously this must 100% definitelly mean thaat there will be a third game called Pokémon Apple.
it's more of less them following the Jurassic Park ethics route of they thought they were so caught up with if they could, but never stop to think if they should.
@@zesru2784 not quite. Turo/Sada died in an accident and their android doubles continued work on the time machine knowing it was wrong, but unable to stop due to their programming forcing them to be subservient to the paradise protection protocol. Had Turo/Sada Survived, i imagine they also would have realized the dangers of the project. But alas, they paid the ultimate price in pursuit of their goal. Sacrificing their family and their own lives in pursuit of knowledge.
The real surprise about this battle was the villianous motivation. Team Rocket and half of Plasma were power-hungry criminals, sure, but Team Aqua/Magma/Galactic and Chairman Rose wanted to better the world in their own weird way. Even Lusamine was a little crazy because of her husband's disappearance. But Sara/Turo already had their dream come true. And it was hurting people and Pokemon, and they didn't care. That sheer selfishness that even took over and hurt the AI. For the first time in the franchise we weren't fighting just to stop the Big Bad. We were fighting to save someone.
Well put. I think that it's here that the three paths leading to Area Zero come into play. The son that was abandoned by his parent and clung onto hope to save the one anchor he had left. The daughter left to her own devices, which ended in her leaving everyone behind. The outcast who had banded together with others to fight back against isolation, only to isolate them from others even more in the process. All three were alone. But we were a true companion to each of them. Brought them together to face the crisis head-on. When we fought the Will of the Professor, we fought for them. And we can see the fruits of it in the end, in their little epilogues. After learning more about his parent, Arven decides to forge his own path in the culinary world. Nemona has finally found someone who can not only keep up with but also overtake her. And Penny... She has gained recognition for her skills while witnessing that her friends are not as isolated as she had feared. I know it's cheesy, but I do think that the story of Scarlet and Violet is the best example of an old adage: The real Treasure was the Friends we made along the way.
@@nestrior7733 I mean yeah Power of Friendship allowed our Koraidon/Miraidon to overcome the opposing Guardian of Paradise Koraidon/Miraidon who is statistically superior.
@@notshockwavedemon7543 There are so many shows about how the AI people created were overly obsessive about their goals, Pokemon being the few games that has an AI that actually found itself disagreeing with the professor's dangerous actions and is genuine in stopping his/her crazy antics is absolutely not what i'd expect
Also gotta say I was expecting arven to have a legendary Pokémon and wanted it to get better with the herbs, but I definitely liked the emotional roller coaster with mabostiff a lot more
Truly an emotional battle. The ending to Scarlet and Violet was so bittersweet. It was not a HAPPY ending. But it was an ending that signified moving forward. Moving forward from your trauma, your mistakes, your past. An unexpectedly nuanced storyline for Pokemon.
Idea for a Pokemon Chartreuse DLC, you fight both professors simultaneously, as they join forces to stop you after bickering over their ideals in regards to the Past or Future, as neither of their dreams of Paradise could be possible if you destroy their time machine. Each would be using a full team of 6 in a double battle format (naturally using their Paradox Pokemon teams), meaning you'd have to face a barrage of 12 Pokemon.
@@PatManDX add a hidden mechanic where the first quest you complete you team up with that trainer. Penny for starfall, nemona for league, and Arvin for titans.
Some players have said: "This game is less fun because you didn't save the world, only Paldea". However, in my personal opinion: When you write an ending, what is essential is the crescendo. If the build-up to that final confrontation is not good enough, it ends up feeling bland or disappointing. The battle against the Paradise Protocol is pure perfection. Reaching this point of the story means that you not only became the champion and befriended Nemona as a party member, it means you defeated the Elite 4 and all the gym leaders; it means you defeated all bosses from Team Star and discovered who was their secret Big Boss (also turning them into a party member); it means that you pacified all poke-titans and gathered the five herba-Mystica saving the life of Arven's dog (And so, he also joins). This is the pinnacle, this is the heart of all disasters, this is YOUR moment. Arven finally realized his own potential, Nemona finally found a true rival, and xxxxxx recovered her friends and the trust of the school that almost destroyed her. They finished their stories. This battle is the end of YOUR OWN story. But also, you are rewriting the sad ending for the professors, erasing their ill paradise, and bringing true happiness to everyone. And you can do all that without saving the entire world. Because, sometimes, and just sometimes, to change the world, you just need to start with the man in the mirror~.
That "Didn't save the world" argument doesn't make sense, because the paradox pokemon would have messed up the ecosystem of not only paldea, but of the other regions due to a natural chain reaction.
My favorite part of this fight is the little details that go about mostly unnoticed regarding the person you are fighting. In the first phase, Sada/Turo has their trainer class changed to Professor, which appears in the textboxes seen throughout the battle (such as if you hit a super effective or critical hit) where their name is Professor _ instead of AI (unrelated but the face of pure malice they show just before the fight begins is absolutely beautiful). During the second phase after the Paradise Protection Protocol takes over, there is a split second in the frames where the textbox saying who is challenging you changes to Paradise Protection Protocol (which on its own is awesome) that says "AI _ has no intention to fight", which I would never have seen if not for pausing on a video rewatch and going frame by frame. It's such a beautifully crafted scene I loved this game so much. Ridiculously close to being my favorite
The game was bomb, the gyms were meh and the champion was quite easy actually, but the area zero??? and this end???? my gosh easily my fav game since EVER and i have played every single game since emerald (except BW2 which i have pending). And imagine the DLC coming: powering up again the time machine and going to the past or the future, or even the professor coming back, using the time machine to go to the past and let arven meet their parents alive.... this can be ICONIC
This is the first pokémon game I've beaten since yellow All those years ago when it first came out. To say that I was shocked about how good the story was in this is an understatement granted I've played other pokémon games before but never beat them. I recently just last week beat Omega Ruby and you could tell that the devs made every possible intention to make sure the children were able to go where they needed to go but when I played Scarlett and Violet I was amazed at how deep the story got and how dark of turns it took especially pertaining to Arvin. That side story or in most cases considered the main story was absolutely phenomenal. I just hope that they decide to go a more mature route in the next game.
From first entering Area Zero with the "out-of-this-world" music playing, to the slow foreshadowing with each base you visit before getting to the final lab, the heartbreaking truth, the "professor" rising above you & desperately telling you to defeat them for they cannot stop themselves, the battle music, the 2nd phase with you being unable to use your own pokeballs & remembering from all the way back in the beginning that miraidon/koraidon belonged to the professor, your rivals cheering you on in a true "power of friendship" anime type battle, to the professor leaving on a sad but hopeful goodbye..... This ending is my favorite ending to a pokemon game ever. This ending made me tear up when a pokemon game has never been able to do that since Explorers of Sky. It really did take my breath away, I was so invested in every second, and I'm so glad I avoided story spoilers going into it!
what's scarier is that, if you remember, the Professor of the game you play (Regardless of version) have basically mastered and all but cracked the full power of the Tera crystals. So can you just imagine if, as a mechanic, each of the Professor's Pokemon could Terastralize because of the sheer fact that they are close to the core of where the Terastralize energy comes from and the fact that they created and developed the Tera Orbs, but continued to perfect it in secret and didn't get the chance to share it so only 'they' can do that, but you as the Protag, because your tera orb is limited to a single charge, you can only risk going Terastralize on one pokemon so if you pick wrong, your at a massive disadvantage... fighting the full power of the Past or Future, with the unparalleled power of the Terastralize mechanic unleashed without restraint, only your 'friendship' with your Pokemon could match it. Honeslty that would make a really sweet ending that, unless your heavily overleveled or you spam items, the only way to match that level of power the AI professors have is if you use the bond you share with your Pokemon that you journeyed with all over Paldea...
@@vla1ne Yeah it will lmao, roaring moon was not a tough fight. In competitive it rocks but it wasn't a competitive roaring moon on a competitive team.
@@Good_Hot_Chocolate just saying, if the whole teams optimized _with_ terra types for all of them, that fight will be absolutely disgusting. I would love it, but holy hell would it haunt me at night.
The CHILLS this fight gave me, i had to pick up my jaw from the floor. Good job Gamefreak, whoever had the idea for this part of the story 100% needs a raise.
@@LoonyLemonJeff hating? I'm stating the obvious this game is not good and it is a sign that gamefreak no longer puts effort into making their games, I am astonished that Nintendo gave the authorization to publish this game
Sword and Shield wished it could have made a finale as organic as this one. Proper setup, no random monster coming in with no buildup. A villain character you actually talked to the whole game and not for like 2 scenes. Thank God we are past the dark ages of pokemon in terms of story.
Are you serious? An organic finale? This ending is literally mashed up in the final moments of the game, I admit that it's the best part in terms of story, ambience and finally talking about serious things like the death of a person BUT like I said it's not enough to save the entire game or did we all forget that this is the worst pokemon game ever in term of quality? And not only that it doesn't change much from the already established formula of going against the gym leaders, against the evil team and pick up power ups meanwhile it was advertised as "three" different paths.
@@dext1352 "the worst pokemon game ever in term of quality" My man, Sw/Sh is right THERE, at least S/V feels good when the game isn't bugging out, Sw/Sh is a fucking slog.
@Shinji Okami feels good when they are not bugging out? You mean never right? Because the code of the game is programmed like shit and it has a litteral hole inside it, sword and shield have their problems but Scarlet and violet are way worse and this is objective in terms of quality, story and even designs of pokemon where we can see the most uninspired generation of all time
I'll never be over this ending. Just a tear jerker, edge of your seat ending with the professor, an all out battle where you pray you have the type matches in your champion team, and then the very last battle with the legendary...a wonderful crescendo. Such a good game
Would love if their respective box legend had a unique feature of having permanent terrain/sun to boost their whole team making it even more of a challenge. A true end of game finale
OK but this composition is insane for a number of reasons. Maintaining the A theme structure of the backdrop 1/3 structured staccato piano throughout the piece maintains the whimsical nature that these professors started their journey into. The hard driving guitar and 1, 2, triple create a sense of tension lifting the battle, the techno variants play fantastically off of the futuristic themes and the drums create a primal take making this effective for both story lines, and of course, it can't be forgotten that by switching from a minor to a major this takes the tension and resolves it in a heroic manner befitting of your character truly saving the day. Brilliant.
I love reading analysis like this one ! It shows there's really a meaning behing each note, not just "what would sounds nice with part ?" Thanks for sharing your knowlegde ! ☺
Man, you can hear how painful this battle is. Like you went on this journey with your best friend and then the ending just hits you. It’s not the ending you wanted. It was dark and what you needed. I’ve never teared up at a Pokemon game but man this ending had me close.
This game's ending actually made me cry, and I loved it. This fight had me sweating, especially with this banger of a track. The game has its hiccups, but its story was great.
Toby Fox blessed our ears with another song we’ll never forget. Despite the bugs and frame rate issues, this was a great game with an amazing story. Thank you Game Freak and Pokémon Company
Arvem will likely have the same story but this time both parents are mentioned and going crazy at the same time ash will fight both with him and the rest of the gang.
I’m guessing one of them have their game role and the other could potentially be trapped in their respective time (Sada stuck in the past, Turo stuck in the future)
Screw the anime! I want Arven's story to be the next Pokémon Movie! Third Act Climax battle between both professors while Ash is forced to battle all of them with just Pikachu because all the Poké Balls got locked, with Pikachu getting bodied! Then Arven saves the day by battling with Koraidon & Miraidon against Roaring Moon & Iron Valiant.
this end game was truly phenomenal. a twist antagonist of sorts that was well executed, and a compelling one at that. they were good "villains" not for any scheme or evil purpose, they were just pursuing their dreams and never realized the repercussions. (debatably) good people, who made mistakes
Honestly, after beating the game, I think GF prioritized incredibly well with this game. They aren't given enough time to work on these, so they clearly focused on making absolutely certain the the things you can't just fix later were the best they could be. Graphics can be repaired; core mechanics, story, and music cannot.
Exactly. I wish more people understood this. S/V 's ending was immaculate and the little touches of detail here and there (like the picture of Arven taken out of the lighthouse lab and being in Area Zero) showed that there was so much intent and direction but very little time. The problem is that there are too many reviews talking about the bugs and graphics of this game while still making nonsense noise about the difficulty. The main corporation will see this before they see the appreciative comments about the story.
Once Miraidon started pulsating and vibrating in my hands as if it was trying to force its way out of the pokeball, that's what made me realize that this is more than just your average pokemon game
Anyone else feel bad for the professor? They had been locked up, waiting for someone to defeat them just to close the portal once and for all. I never thought I would say this, but this had an emotional touch to its ending. Well done gamefreak.
The professors of future and past stand before you, their goals united. With the two of them together, not even the ferocious pokemon of Area Zero could touch them. With the two of them together, their AI assistants grew only more certain that an intervention was needed. As the lifeless bodies of their turn-coat AIs lie beside you, 2 masterballs drop down to reveal Iron Moth and Slither Wing. The Paradise Protection Protocol feeds data to them, numerous strategies and possibilities. The objectivity of the machine combined with the ingenuity of the human. The technology of the future combined with the fury of the past. Please, defeat them. Professor Sada & Professor Turo initiate a battle!
Remember these two died saving Koraidon / Miraidon... Imagine fighting the REAL professors and not just the AI... Hell a double battle with them AND the AI would be so cool
I’m not sure if it because of the way it sounds or the buildup to the bass drop, but this theme gives me *really* heavy Battle Against a True Hero vibes. Where the Professor isn’t the boss of your game, you’re the boss of theirs. And I love this theme for that.
The whole concept around area zero is amazing. A misty area shrouded in mystery, where time is meaningless and creatures from the past and the future collide, all put into power by a professor who meant well, but who has long since died and their creation has gone out of control, with only their ghost in the form of an AI being the only thing left of them. And you're the only person who can put a stop to it.
The last 5% of Scarlet is the best Pokémon has ever been, and I've played Gen 5. The rest of the game isn't super plot-heavy, but honestly, I don't mind the lower-stakes plot up 'til this point. It fits the type of game SV is. That last 5% tho... God, seeing it for the first time actually gave me chills, it was great. The end goes places you wouldn't expect a Pokémon game to go- Giving the professors a unique twist (Which is kinda foreshadowed since they're the only ones not named after a plant of some kind), the fact that they just straight up killed said professors, the whole AI thing, the entirety of the AI fight, Area Zero as a whole (Helped by Toby Fox a ton), and *this theme.* Everything about Area Zero and beyond is perfection, and while I already loved the game before it, that point easily solidified Scarlet as my favorite Pokémon game just ahead of ORAS. Also, Koraidon is adorable and I love him. Big 'ol lizard puppy. :)
I like the way pokemon is going. The last Games were more focused on making the new Features (Dynamax, terastal) a main thing in their storys and that there isnt a Super Evil team with thousands of henchmans which are all beaten by a 10 year old anymore but one Person where you dont instantly now that he is the "antagonist" "pulling the strings from behind" with more simpler goals but interessting ways of archiving them. I hope in the DLC we can learn more about them and what they are/were doing after they time traveled (because for some reason the Book they had is back in the school)
I don't mean to burst your bubble but the Scarlet / Violet book owned by the Professors and the one in the school are two different books. The History classes talk about it briefly, but Raifort (the teacher for history) mentions that the Scarlet / Violet book was popular back when Heath (the original author) first published it. However, it was disregarded as fairy tales. Raifort then mentions they have a copy of the book in the school's library. The AI mentions that the copy you use for the time machine was the personal copy of the professor's.
Okay now you have me imagining the time machine flipping out against the seekers of darkness because they are obstructing and threatening its paradise and continued existence.
Okay yes I can totally see the link between this Time Machine and some kind of experiment that Ansem The Wise would’ve run on Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion now that you mentioned it! The way that those Pokémon ran out the Time Machine and the party slowly splitting up so that you the MC can take on the boss, pretty sure we gotten something like that in Kingdom Hearts II both midgame and endgame stages, like remember that Heartless raid in 2 and around the time you take on Xemnas himself? This gave me that vibe as well but without it being a cheap ass copy
This mashup absolutely enhances the sadness you feel during this end fight. Makes it sound all the more dire that this is the final battle that will end all battles!
this did not need to slap this hard I legit couldn't battle cause I was groovin out to the beat. Like I can't be mad at a boss with this killer of a theme.
Funny, in the very begin, even before we get the game, Pokémon Company said these two where the professors of this gen (like Oak or Birtch) but they actually... . . . . . Clavell is the real professor of this gen.
After the intro sequence, this song gives me nostalgic feelings of music I've heard in games before. The music in Scar/Vi is genuinely some of the best in the series
I loved Iron Valiant from the start but when it’s the ace Pokémon of the final boss??? Immediately shiny hunted it and put it on the team. So freaking cool. This battle challenged me (somewhat) and it made for a super cool battle. I love the dialogue from characters when you get a crit/super effective (or both!) and they mention it. The professors lines for this were golden.
It's amazing the ending of the game. Although seeing the fanart makes me wonder how the finale would have been like dealing with not just one of them but both at the same time, each with a team of 6 leading into a 12 v 6 situation dealing with both the past and future together. Definitely a fun thought.
I wonder what the overseers of time dialga, celebi and even arceus think about the Time Machine created by the professor, I would think that they might be upset that humans are actually time traveling due to the possibility of greatly disrupting the normal flow of events but none of them have shown up
I absolutely adore that picture, and I know it will never happen, but I'd love if it the DLC let us battle both professors at the same time. The battle against them at the end of the game was challenging, and that's something a lot of players have wanted out of Pokemon game for a long time since the gamecube games. Imagine fighting roaring moon and iron valiant at the same time.
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