Pokémon Gold/Silver's postgame is surprisingly elegant 

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Theyr2 meant to be slug like

That is why I rank it to number one it made fun and nostalgic. They should do it again

​@easportslegend they did, it's called HeartGold/SoulSilver. Now, if you mean they should do another remake of it just remember that BD/SP exists and hope they aren't that lazy again.

It was like a game within a game, it didn’t make sense. Ruby/emerald is my personal fav but I remember the end game ,little me running around trying to figure out a way to go back to Gold. I just assumed that was the natural order of things 😢

Narrative wise it's my favorite gen. But the execution of Kanto (the trainers being weaker than elite4) and the new pokemon barely appearing are why it's not my favorite gameplay wise

Then you hear the crazy music, see level EIGHTY ONE and realize how serious they are taking it 💀

TIMEE TO FCKKKK

To me it's seeing Kanto in color. Mind you, I was a kid when I had this game and we got it right after Red and Yellow. Just the fact that it's there at all is a huge mind f-ck when youre used to playing Pokemon games that usually have a single region. Mt Silver is special though. Probably my 2nd fondest memory of the post game is that little area and finding the secret boss.

I mean it was huge mind fuck period. Games at the time were very small and very focused, often being beaten in an afternoon. To have a full length rpg that surprised players with a post game that teased at doubling its content was something else for the time.

it's such an intense moment. i don't quite know how to explain that feeling, but child me was both scared and excited to battle against red. i still remember the nostalgia and shock i felt seeing red use some of the pokemon _i_ used in yellow version.

"Wait people think the post game is bad?" Only on Reddit/Twitter where kids listen to RU-vidrs spouting lies without zero fact checking

The inclusion of a second region was great to have, however the level curve in the Kanto region was hot garbage. The wild pokemon on all routes should have been in the mid thirties to early fourties and the trainers pokemon should have been in the mid fifties (with the gym leaders in the low to mid 60s). Just one shotting most of the pokemon there gets really boring really fast.

The post game is bad in terms of the leveling curve. Trainers are too weak and wild Pokémon are way too low lv It’s garbage and the fact some Johto Pokémon can only be found on Kanto like Slugma, Houndour and Murkrow, which lore wise make zero sense The idea of Kanto is great, the implementation was trash

@@aceclover758 "and the fact some Johto Pokémon can only be found on Kanto like Slugma, Houndour and Murkrow" Never become a game designer If they were all in Johto you fuckers would complain that there's nothing in Kanto And also, there weren't Generations when GSC released, they were just new Pokemon and not Gen 2 Pokemon

@@brandonlangley1009 you didnt notice any of that when the game was new and you were 9 years old at the time. If you dont remember how you felt landing in kanto and going through the entire game and how magical that was at the time, then you are probably one of those reddit/twitter kids the previous comment is mentioning. Objectively, yes, its hot garbage having the pokemon be such low level in kanto as a post game area, buta s a kid, when it mattered, it was a fantastic experience. Everyone had a gameboy, and a lot of kids would battle each other during recess or after school. It was how i completed my pokedex. Loser trades whatever pokemon winner wanted. Yall dont have that experience today, so it seems trash. Back then, though, we had reasons to catch the rare dark pokemon just to show off to your friends, or raise the new pokemon to battle your friends and counter their team with a houndour because they dont know how low the chance is to actually catch one. Doing things like raising pokemon with egg moves to trade with your friends. It was a different time back then, and kids these days will never enjoy the original games the way they were meant to. I highly reccomend yall play the DS remakes, Heartgold and Soulsilver. As someone who literally am the 9 year old in this scenario, the remakes were fantastic and had a ton of quality of life changes that brought it to modern game design.

GS set the bar for post games for me. I still hope for the same quality in new games (and hope for an additional region)

​@@Tryingtogetradical When played gen 3 for the first time as kid, not having johto and kanto to revisit seriously disappointed me

@@AndreaGrippi I'm hoping that Nintendo decides to put all 9 previous regions in the Gen 10 postgame on Switch 2

In another world, he would have knocked out a Ho-Oh to break your heart

I felt this too. I was beyond amazed when I found out not only was johto connected to Kanto but you could also VISIT KANTO? it was wonderful being (slightly) older remembering my first pokemon game. The fact that you could experience that was more than I could imagine when playing crystal for the first time. Magical they let us to do that.

Amen to that , I legit lost my mind when we took our first step in Kanto then saw the map

>we didn’t deserve Stfu plebbitor. Go back, take your cringe millennial catchphrases with you.

I absolutely deserved it

Ikr??? Idk why people have an issue with it.

I honestly don't mind the openness of the second half of Johto and then all of Kanto. Being able to choose where to go next, and actually being able to do so, makes the adventure truly feel like your own, and not the same curated Disneyland tour everyone else takes on. It certainly would be nicer if the trainers had higher levels to sort of hint which order is suggested like Zelda 1's dungeons, however, you'd still run into being stronger than your opponents at some point. Cause if you're already strong enough to take on even the hinted 1st leader, but decide to choose your own adventure and do them out of order, you'll power up more and make the other ones easier, just like Zelda 1's dungeons. In Zelda 1, you can do Levels 1, 2 and 3 in any order, no holds barred. Of course the later ones feature slightly stronger enemies than the former, but if you're skillful enough, you can finish Level 3 first. Getting the heart container there and coming back to any of the first two dungeons means you now have more health than if you did either of them first. You can also walk straight to Level 6 and pick up the magic wand before any of the dungeons, if you really wanted to. It's possible for the orange Wizzrobes to 1-shot you this early in the game, but that's a risk a skilled player can take. I firmly believe Pokemon should be of similar design; how can you call it an adventure if you're not allowed to take risks and choose your own path.

@@tamerkoh What's your opinion on Scarlet and Violet? Based on your reply here, especially that last sentence, I think you'd really like them.

@@archerestarcher Imagine if Scarlet and Violet included all of Galar in its postgame

@@cleverman383 That would've been interesting, though if they were to have included a full entire region it would've probably been Kalos, since Spain and France physically touch in the real world. I was more just talking about how the person said they like being able to take risks and choose their own path, so I was curious what they thought of Scarlet and Violet based on that.

It makes no sense that you're still fighting Pokemon that barely crack level 20 by the time of you reach Clair. Also I get that adding kanto alone was impressive, but it doesn't excuse how bad it was executed. Also locking a non negligible amount of Johto Pokemon to Kanto, let alone mount silver (cough cough larvitar) is really stupid, and technical limitations don't excuse that. I say this as someone that actually likes gen 2, it's faults are really hard to excuse at times. I do get tired of people saying this was the first time for a lot of things as a crutch to excuse bad game design.

True....i was wandering around Johto then for whatever reason i remembered that right next to your house is water you could surf. The rest is history.

Especially compared to the basically non-existent post game of Red/Blue/Yellow.

​@@SimonFrack Non existent post game in any other generation except 5th. How can anyone call the dumb battle towers post game? That's just a boring gauntlet.

​@@Gatitasecsii The only thing with any real longevity for a single save file. Replay value is insane plus it offers an actual challenge. That is why people love them.

@@Gatitasecsii This. Battling difficult NPC trainers is okay but gets old really quick, plus you have to grind the shit out of it just to get any rewards. I'd much rather have the bonus adventure that the gen 2 games offered

"Oh, that's odd. I didn't know people thought the post game was bad." That's the neat thing: they don't.

It's very underwhelming besides red.

It was not a remotely popular opinion until the past few years where people decided to look back at these games "in retrospect"(aka without context for the limitations of when and how they were made). This kind of dissatisfaction with the older games is also peddled pretty aggressively by a certain Poketuber who decided one of the mainstays of their channel would be rom-hacking older Pokemon games in order to "fix" them.

@@BradTheDead Pretty much anyone that remembers the game fondly thinks very highly of it. Pretty much anyone that plays gen2 with any frequency thinks it's bad. The gym leaders are just pathetic. Janine is probably the worst offender, with pokemon as low as level 33. Brock's entire team is quad weak to grass, and are just bad in general. Over half of his team isn't even fully evolved, and this is, again, post-game content. There's literally only one competent leader, meaning every battle is a joke until suddenly you get really good battles with Blue, then Red. Seven wasted gyms, a rocket subplot in which you are required to battle 0 rockets, and a boatload of nostalgia.

@@TotallyCluelessGamer That's a pretty cheap shot to take at other people that make romhacks. You can like these games and still admit more could have been done with them. No need to get catty.

Useful for the whole game. Plus a pokemon with a sleep or paralysis move

The OST is very strong. And WAY longer than you remember. It's like 90 tracks

It does one of my favorite ones is the Pokémon Lullaby Not a comfy song per se but Dragon’s Den goes hard too

Was also not a fan, in gen 2 specifically, that the radio card was optional. Had to go all the way back to jubilife to wake up the snorlax. But that's because I started johto with the 4th Gen, and I didn't even think about it

@@masoncasey9353 I assume by Jubilife you meant Goldenrod, but easy to mistake honestly, considering they both feature in gen 4 games and fill broadly similar roles XD. I agree the potential for missing the radio card in a casual playthrough is unfortunate, both for the reason you describe and several others. For one it's straight up intended as a core feature of the 'Pokegear' and missing it almost makes a redundancy of this extra menu. Another is the intertwining of the radio mechanic with the Rocket takeover narrative - probably one of the most memorable moments I've had playing a pokemon game was of hearing the news of strange radio signals, turning my radio on, and discovering for myself that Team Rocket really had taken over all the channels.

Probably because the game designer is assuming you are using the Time Machine to trade with Gen 1 for stone Evolutions.

@@kutless45This was definitely the case originally because Bill’s grandfather only gives you one stone of each type in Gold and Silver. This was fixed in Crystal, where he gives you a stone every time you show him the correct Pokémon. Trainers who give you a stone if you exchange numbers were also added.

Totally. And without internet, we didn't know how much game there still was. Even looking at it now, it's clear many issues came from a single choice to make Kanto feel accurate rather than to make it fit in with the existing level curve. Beefing up the trainers, OR giving another ~2 ways to grind, would have gone quite far to help it.

@@ji_mothy if the VS seeker had come out 1 generation sooner, GSC would’ve had a real argument as the best games in the series lol

Taking temporal context into account when reviewing an early entry in a long-running series? Blasphemy!!

It was also shocking for memory reason. red and blue already were cramming a lot of stuff in for a gameboy game and somehow gold and silver had like... two games? almost double the number of pokemon, better sprites and colors, just, more more more, a lot more stuff. Nowadays it's not really a limiting factor anymore, but at the time it really shown great care to work around these limitation to bring in as much content as possible (mentality which has had pretty bad repercussions later down the line on game design philosophy but lead to very cool moments at the time). And even as kids we were really aware of the limitations of the games we were playing. Like, even materially, when you play red and blue with a cartridge you realize quickly it's held by duct tape and a prayer, when you have to blow in your cartridge to dislodge some dust so that the game boots properly for exemple. So even if we weren't fully aware of the behind the scenes of how everything works it was still pretty clear what was technically impressive and what wasn't. Nowadays it feels more blurry and some high tech feats can be to be able to do an effect without needing a lot of worker while something can look impressive and just be the result of one hundred people crunching to death. And there aren't that many game design decision guided by technical limitations anymore. (at least not as a primary factor). Not saying those technical limitations were good, but yeah it's really important to understand the context and the wonder something like that has generated.

​@@colevitiritto8976 it has the battle tower and some other stuff like that. It's still directly inferior to HGSS but having grown up with GSC I still prefer them

Ah, I was worried no one else would defend the sign's honor

Amen! Crafting new teams is a big part of the experience I didn't touch on here, since my style still did need me to be goal focused on Red. All of us back in 2000 were plenty happy with this part of the game as a large unexpected bonus.

were you intoxicated when you made this pointless comment?

@@balthasargerard7246 🦐

​@@balthasargerard7246"I am insecure and need attention"

@@balthasargerard7246if you consider a comment pointless (which i'd contest here given this is a relevant anecdote expressing this person's feelings on the subject of the video), surely there are better uses of your time and energy than responding to it in a totally non-constructive manner?

Did 2 years in radio and 10 years in corporate 😅 now we doing things for me. Glad you are enjoying.

@@ji_mothy that's awesome you did radio!

@@ji_mothy2 years in radio sounds so fucking cool ngl (even if in reality it was probably just A Job:tm:)

@@ji_mothy Good stuff! With your delivery i'm not surprised you have Radio experience. However, Not to sound obnoxious, but I would like to offer a small amount of criticism. Not sure if it bothered other people, but the close-up radio style recording introduced alot of plosive popping and it was a bit much for me. Did love the video though bud.

@@ji_mothyjust curious…..in the 10 corporate years were you able to payoff your mortgage and car loan in order to launch a RU-vid channel? Or do you do other work like own a business now?

the whole game is peak pokemon vibes and aesthetics tbh

Gens 2 and 4 have the best aesthetic imo. Not been topped yet

They charged me college tuition to learn this once and here you are in the yt comments giving it away 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@ji_mothy I actually just learned that stuff last semester in my Discrete Mathematical Modeling class. Now I'm going to grad school for my PHD in Applied Mathematics this upcoming semester.

I mean, it could be the 7th too, if you want

@klop4228 I mean, I guess if you trade a pokemon that knows cut, you could do the gym later

@@Supah_Sayin_Rick You need cut to enter the gym, not to get the HM. You can just skip the gym until after Cinnabar.

You would be very wrong about that.

Well, where do you store your Full Heals? Because I can’t think of many better places to

Thank you for sticking around! Pokemon is such fun to make, it's gonna give whiplash when I go back for Sekiro 😵‍💫

​@ji_mothy ahhh sekiro, my favorite rhythm game

Id say so! Not sure if I have a good way to record the DS ones so I might bounce forward to Switch games eventually

@@ji_mothy I know it's not technically as intended but I would suggest an emulator. I believe some of the emulators even support Link cable Trading if that is required at any point

@@McLovinModsEmulators are, to the best of my knowledge, basically how everyone records handheld nintendo games these days if they havent been ported to a later system

that doesn't make it the last third. In Sinnoh most people catch 3 pokemon by Gardenia. Does that mean the 2nd gym is the halfway mark of the entire game?

@@blackout6519 No? I don't quite understand what you're saying

I think it is safe to say that the Johto games were designed for players to add at least one more Pokémon to their team in Kanto. The game was designed for players to have the Shiny Gyarados from the Lake of Rage on their team so that they can reach Indigo Plateau. Then Gyarados can be replaced after defeating the Elite Four and Lance.

Writing down their entire move sets and planning your run around it lets you play at a pretty low level! Getting Red at 50 was more impressive to me personally :)

Shuffling the levels they gave to each leader would have been smart, yeah. They have all trained since gen 1; no reason they need to have all trained proportionate amounts. Brock and Misty are young, they could have been made powerful gym leaders. Strong Brock would have been legendary

hi JK!! Happy you're enjoying :D I definitely threw my subs for a loop when I picked up pokemon content but I'm happy I ended up here! Now how to complete pokemon with knives only...

Everything is a reference 🫣

The people who wanted Houndoom early only look at the Johto games from Falkner and Lance. These are the only Pokémon games with two regions and sixteen gyms. However, they play the Johto games as if they only had one region and eight gyms. Players who want to catch Houndour in Johto wonder why using a strong Pokémon with STAB Dark and Fire Type moves to defeat half of the Johto gym leaders, Silver, and half of the Pokémon used by the Elite Four is not an option unless they trade in a Houndour egg in the early game.

This guy is just making videos to make videos dude it’s pretty obvious

I'm sorry to hear that

"This is literally the first time I've heard anyone say that" It's really common on Twitter & Reddit due to there being lots of kids who listen to RU-vidrs without actually playing the games themselves They don't know if it's actually true or false Kind of sad really

@@anonanonymous9670 Twitter and Reddit are the last places anyone should take any opinions from to heart. Except 4chan. That one is dead last.

@@anonanonymous9670 gen 2 post game is pretty weak because of the technical limitations of the GBC. The fact that we got a post game at all was pretty amazing, but let's not pretend it was particularly fleshed out.

@@theglowcloud2215 Gen 2 post game is "weak" because it's a GAME BOY game So many people forget that Gold & Silver were made for Game Boy They're probably the most content packed games on the system Crystal is the only one that's on GBC (And hell that has even more content because of Battle Tower meaning it's the most content packed GBC game)